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Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :

Yep...it's that time...my first tree hugger post. I'm not a Democrat, I'm not a Republican...but I agree with Al Gore's goal to act on Global Warming. If you do to please sign the following petition:

"We are now within striking distance of collecting over 500,000 messages to deliver to Congress and have less than 48 hours to get it done in time for the hearings.

Ask any friend who wants to end the climate crisis to sign our message to Congress now by visiting:

http://algore.com/cards.html "

Posted by 1968_Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

Not trying to ruin your post just learned some interest facts yesterday.
The average temp of the world right now is 64 degrees, the average temp of the world in the past 4.1 billion years has been 74 degrees. The temp went down from the astroid that hit the earth during the dinosauer age. The dust helped cool the world and the fact the world is getting hot is its just going back to its normal temp.
I believe we as humans are helping the world warm up but its not something we can stop, it will happen over time.

Posted by Outlaw_Stangz (Member # 3926) on :

If you dont believe that human beings are solely responsible for the negative effects of global warming, you’re smokin on something. We need to address this issue before its too late.

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

The earth is warming itself back up as stated above. It is inevitable. Now, the way humans are contributing to that is another story. The source of our "heat" isn't exactly the way the earth's 74 degrees was sustained during the past 4.1 billion years.

Although with that said I'm more concerned with our consumption rather than what we emit. Did you know that each DAY humans consume all the prehistoric plant and animal matter that was produced in one YEAR.

Posted by FoRdGiRl (Member # 6279) on :

i signed and posted on my myspace [patriot]

Posted by 66backinblack (Member # 5372) on :

the earth goes through cycles, we may be speeding it up a tad but in no way causing it. of course we must believe in what al gore is saying, he DID invent the internet didnt he?

Posted by getjobdone (Member # 4666) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
Not trying to ruin your post just learned some interest facts yesterday.
The average temp of the world right now is 64 degrees, the average temp of the world in the past 4.1 billion years has been 74 degrees. The temp went down from the astroid that hit the earth during the dinosauer age. The dust helped cool the world and the fact the world is getting hot is its just going back to its normal temp.
I believe we as humans are helping the world warm up but its not something we can stop, it will happen over time.

hahaha, you never seem to fail at making one ignorant post after another.

back to the topic; signed it and so should anyone else who lives on planet earth [patriot]

Posted by Quick 88LX (Member # 1950) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Outlaw_Stangz:
If you dont believe that human beings are solely responsible for the negative effects of global warming, you’re smokin on something. We need to address this issue before its too late.

I'm don't believe it and I'm not smoking anything. The fact is, there have been a number of mass extinctions throughout our planets history, all due to climate change. They have happened before and they will happen again, probably ending human life as we know it.

Do I think we are contributing adversely to the present "situation"? Yes, I do. But in all honesty, in order to live the way YOU and I want to live, we must consume and emit an abundance of CO2... it's a byproduct of almost everything consumable anyway. There are 6.5 billion people on this planet and in ten years, that number will jump by almost a half billion. The more people that live on the Earth each day means the more CO2 that will be emitted.

The bottom line is we are only "hurting" ourselves. The Earth will go through its climate change, extinctions will take place, and the planet will continue along its cycle of life and death for the next trillion years. We are merely a blink of an eye in the Earths history and one day we'll be gone just like the Dinosaurs. Geology and Oceanography have shown this to be true. Humans just don't like it and we want to live forever. I mean really, who wants to go extinct?

I'm runnin' my off-road pipe anyway [burnout]

Posted by 1968_Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by getjobdone:

quote:
Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
Not trying to ruin your post just learned some interest facts yesterday.
The average temp of the world right now is 64 degrees, the average temp of the world in the past 4.1 billion years has been 74 degrees. The temp went down from the astroid that hit the earth during the dinosauer age. The dust helped cool the world and the fact the world is getting hot is its just going back to its normal temp.
I believe we as humans are helping the world warm up but its not something we can stop, it will happen over time.
hahaha, you never seem to fail at making one ignorant post after another.

back to the topic; signed it and so should anyone else who lives on planet earth

Thats not an ignorant post thats a post from someone who reads instead of blindly follows like you.
"Oh my god Al Gore says humans are changing the temp of the world with its existence, it must be true and everyone who's says otherwise is ignorant even if they have read the books that i haven't read"
Go and read some books about geology and you'll see the earth is cooler right now than it was during the dinosauer age.

i am done with this post, i try and give info i've read and people talk shit, stupid. [Roll Eyes]

[ March 21, 2007, 02:08 AM: Message edited by: 1968_Fastback ]

Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :

very nice a racecar person who probably has striped all the smog from his cars. Driven full race cars on the street dumping tons of emmisions is concerned about global warming ?? LOL. Kind of like a burglar being concerned about the growing crime rate in his neighborhood.

Posted by essasin (Member # 4741) on :

I honestly think this is the wrong site to advocate global warming. If anyone really want to support the cause they put back the stock H pipe with cats and mufflers on our mustangs because they are the most emissions and enviormental friendly. Somehow I doubt anyone would want to do that.

Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
very nice a racecar person who probably has striped all the smog from his cars. Driven full race cars on the street dumping tons of emmisions is concerned about global warming ?? LOL. Kind of like a burglar being concerned about the growing crime rate in his neighborhood.

Ever heard of cognitive dissonance? I'm working on it man [Smile]

Posted by 89SC50 (Member # 6248) on :

I thought this was a bunch of crap when his movie came out with all the hype, but after seeing it this is not somthing you can argue with there are facts to prove it. Not trying to preach but I would recomened that you see this movie before you say it is all normal and happening anyway. I guess it will only matter to you if you care about future generations.

Posted by Motorhead6T5 (Member # 4969) on :

Al Gore done got himself called out [Wink]

http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/printer_friendly.pl?page=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/3/19/145933.shtml?s=ic

Posted by Motorhead6T5 (Member # 4969) on :

Have fun in your new tree hugger career Team SOLO [Wink]

Posted by DLo (Member # 6133) on :

quote:
Originally posted by essasin:
I honestly think this is the wrong site to advocate global warming. If anyone really want to support the cause they put back the stock H pipe with cats and mufflers on our mustangs because they are the most emissions and enviormental friendly. Somehow I doubt anyone would want to do that.

Nah.... moreover, all of these global warming people should sell all of their cars and start using bikes and other resources, not just making our mustangs more environmental friendly. It kind of goes hand in hand with buying a mustang to save on fuel. [Cool]

Posted by OneBadHatch (Member # 970) on :

i hate tree huggers [patriot]

Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :

quote:
Originally posted by OneBadHatch:
i hate tree huggers

I hate people with slow 1990 GTs with all the goodies [Wink]

Posted by uncle bill (Member # 3953) on :

a good book for some of you to read would be chicken little. thats where the little chicken got hit in the head and went around telling everyone the sky is falling. i dont think i have all the answers, im not a scientist and i dont think any of you are either. but if you believe emissions are part of the problem, simply sell your stang and ride a horse and continue to live in fear just like the powers to be wants us to

Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :

quote:
Originally posted by essasin:
I honestly think this is the wrong site to advocate global warming. If anyone really want to support the cause they put back the stock H pipe with cats and mufflers on our mustangs because they are the most emissions and enviormental friendly. Somehow I doubt anyone would want to do that.

I agree. However, even though I race a car that takes 116 octane and emits more than many cars combined...I try and do my part by getting 100% of my electricity through renewable resources (i.e. solar, wind).

Didn't mean to start a controversy...just wanted to get more awareness of the topic out there. I'm not a scientist and most here are not...one person will believe one side, one will believe the other.

Posted by Lilghoust (Member # 20) on :

screw it... i will be long gone before global warming does anything significant so I dont really care.

Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:

quote:
Originally posted by getjobdone:

quote:
Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
Not trying to ruin your post just learned some interest facts yesterday.
The average temp of the world right now is 64 degrees, the average temp of the world in the past 4.1 billion years has been 74 degrees. The temp went down from the astroid that hit the earth during the dinosauer age. The dust helped cool the world and the fact the world is getting hot is its just going back to its normal temp.
I believe we as humans are helping the world warm up but its not something we can stop, it will happen over time.
hahaha, you never seem to fail at making one ignorant post after another.

back to the topic; signed it and so should anyone else who lives on planet earth
Thats not an ignorant post thats a post from someone who reads instead of blindly follows like you.
"Oh my god Al Gore says humans are changing the temp of the world with its existence, it must be true and everyone who's says otherwise is ignorant even if they have read the books that i haven't read"
Go and read some books about geology and you'll see the earth is cooler right now than it was during the dinosauer age.

Your post IS ignorant. Go take a class on Climate change. I just finished one today(thank god, toughest class in 4 years of schooling) and trust me, the shit is real.
you better watch what you read....

This is something my teacher told me for all the people that throw the "we are going through a normal cycle" crap. what cycle are you referring to? people read that in magazines and they feel cool because they can throw that out there. so, what cycle? Milankovitch cycle? what? what ? WHAT?
There is no cycle for what's going on.

According to the RECORDS WE HAVE, we've never experienced this before. Carbon 14 can only be used accurately for 40,000 years,(passed that you can't differentiate the # of decays from radiation). so I'm talking about other kinds of proxy records. Using isotopes is great for deciphering pass temperatures. Earth is 4.5 billion years old and we have decent records of 3.5 billion years. don't you think unbiased scientists know about cycles and what falls in between "normal" boundaries?. My teacher was down in Patagonia 30 years ago. This was NOT QUESTIONED 30 years ago. Geologist and geographers have known about global warning for decades. Their community is aware of the problem and recognize this as fact. It's just that the media plays it like it's a new phenomenon.

It is not, the ones that do not agree with it are usually reporters or people with ulterior motives.
this is nothing new and WE the, US, are the number one polluters in the world. china and India will soon surpass us because they wanna be like us. Quite the achievement huh?

With that said, We need to change, small changes count. I've changed my ways, i still drive a stang because i like it, but i try to not drive it as much as i can. guess changing is difficult but we'll have to do it if we want to leave a decent world to our future generations.

[ March 21, 2007, 02:08 AM: Message edited by: Jmir018 ]

Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lilghoust:
screw it... i will be long gone before global warming does anything significant so I dont really care.

This is the type of mentality we need to change before we can go on and change our ways.

However, i agree. This is not the place to discuss environmental issues. this is the place where we get together with our environment polluting friends.
And i, unfortunately, am one of them.

Posted by Outlaw_Stangz (Member # 3926) on :

Like people have said before we wont see any real changes, its our future generations who will pay the ultimate price. Global warming is among one of the many things that might end the human race, we have a bunch of nut cases out there like russia, iran, n korea and the u.s., its only a matter of time before WW3 kicks off and then we're all fuked

Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lilghoust:
screw it... i will be long gone before global warming does anything significant so I dont really care.

I am willing to bet that you don't have kids. And if you do...this line of thinking is a damn shame.

Posted by DRIVINFST (Member # 2430) on :

Belief in global warming = Lemming

In the 70's the "scientists" were worried about global cooling

Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20070321-0538-czech-environment-.html

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

Unfortunately society as a whole is the equivalent to one big "Show Me State". We dont believe shit stinks until we step in it. I do believe that we have cause irreparable damge to our Earth, but then that is part of our "Manifest Destiny" [Roll Eyes]

. We screw shit up then colonize elsewhere. Leaving behind a mess. That practice alone is causing damage.

This animation sums it all up
http://www.threeleggedlegs.com/view/?what=humans

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

Basically as far as we can drill in the Arctic's is as far as we can see the earths history. So be it 10 years ago or 4.5 billion years ago carbon is not the only way to read much of the earths climate changes.

Scientist have their own agenda just as much as any tree hugger. The thing with Scientists is they usually have data to back up what they talk about. I'm not saying there aren't tree huggin Scientists, I understand they can make as good an argument as any.

Anyone watch the show Numbers? I've seen it only twice but what is interesting about our climate changes and history is most everything can be closely estimated out with just a few basic numbers and calculations. Numbers don't lie, so do all the reading you want you might learn something. If you really give a fuck don't just listen to someone do the research yourself.

Did you know the moon moves further and further away from the earth, this will have an effect on oceans and their currants, this in effect will have an effect on the climate. Did you know there are 70% more trees now than in the 1950's? Did you know for every person on the earth there are 5 trees? I don't believe one side or another completely. I feel we consume and waste a lot of recourses but I don't feel the earth is as fragile as portrayed,... more like PEOPLE are the fragile one and can't deal with the 3-5 degree climate changes. Earth will be fine but our fate was already mapped out before we got here.

Shit who knows, maybe all the crap we are pumpin into the air is only setting up the next species to flourish. We don't know. We just run around on our cell phones and drive escalades and bitch about bad drivers, gas prices, Bush and God knows what else. People are DRAMA!!! Without drama over half the population wouldn't survive.

**CAUTION** My opinions are Free of charge and come with a serving of salt.

Posted by OneBadHatch (Member # 970) on :

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Jdub07

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Member # 2728

posted 2007-03-21 01:04 PM
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Basically as far as we can drill in the Arctic's is as far as we can see the earths history. So be it 10 years ago or 4.5 billion years ago carbon is not the only way to read much of the earths climate changes.

Scientist have their own agenda just as much as any tree hugger. The thing with Scientists is they usually have data to back up what they talk about. I'm not saying there aren't tree huggin Scientists, I understand they can make as good an argument as any.

Anyone watch the show Numbers? I've seen it only twice but what is interesting about our climate changes and history is most everything can be closely estimated out with just a few basic numbers and calculations. Numbers don't lie, so do all the reading you want you might learn something. If you really give a fuck don't just listen to someone do the research yourself.

Did you know the moon moves further and further away from the earth, this will have an effect on oceans and their currants, this in effect will have an effect on the climate. Did you know there are 70% more trees now than in the 1950's? Did you know for every person on the earth there are 5 trees? I don't believe one side or another completely. I feel we consume and waste a lot of recourses but I don't feel the earth is as fragile as portrayed,... more like PEOPLE are the fragile one and can't deal with the 3-5 degree climate changes. Earth will be fine but our fate was already mapped out before we got here.

Shit who knows, maybe all the crap we are pumpin into the air is only setting up the next species to flourish. We don't know. We just run around on our cell phones and drive escalades and bitch about bad drivers, gas prices, Bush and God knows what else. People are DRAMA!!! Without drama over half the population wouldn't survive.

**CAUTION** My opinions are Free of charge and come with a serving of salt.

haha thats the best one yet i think

Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :

Actually.. no, we cannot go back 4.5 billion years solely in arctic Ice. There have been total of 8 or more deglaciations since the beginning of earth( i can't remember that's why i'm failing the class, but over 4 for sure.). Ice has obviously not been there since the beginning of earth. so we can't say that.
However, you are right the record of oxygen isotopes is an excellent way to predict temperature Much better than C02 since we are limited to 40k years with the former. The logic is simple and straight forward. Oxigen comes in different varieties. 16-O 17-O 18-O, the more 18-O we find in relation to the others the warmer the climate has to be for that particular time... etc.

However, ocean soil is a better indicator of climate. the sediment does not build as rapidly, so with only a few meters of core samples we can go hundreds of thousands years in the past. The logic for that is also pretty basic. Won't go into detail because i gotto go to the track soon but it's the same logic of trapped isotopes.

Yes, the moon's moving further away, but did you know that that cycle has happened before? it's nothing new. The earth's eccentricity(100k years), tilt (40K years) and precession(20k years) also changes(milankovitch cycles). with the right conditions, full eccentricity, maximum tilt, and perihelion as close to the sun as possible we can start a glacial period or go the oposite way and warm the planet up!. However, these cycles have happened before and can be documented. We are out of the what would be "normal" for these occurrences.

The ice in the artics and green land is supposed to melt. No question about it, that is a normal cycle... we are just accelerating the process.
I mean, the earth has been melting for a long time, didn't we go into the medieval anomaly and little ice age only 9k-13k Ad? that's fairly recent when you considered how long earth has been around for. so.. So, our warming up it's normal of this cylce, but the extremes that we are reaching is not something faced before.

Scientist can say with a 90% something degree of certainty that global warming is related to higher than normal c02 levels(can't remember the exact numbers). That's higher than the relationship of Tobacco causing cancer!

Ultimately, i agree, earth will continue. we can't physically "destroy it", but we can make our life on this earth more challenging.

[ March 21, 2007, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: Jmir018 ]

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

From what I understand the moon eventually will be gone, as the universe has continued to expand. It was originally believed to have slowed down its expansion but again with some numbers, measures and calculations it's been discovered that the universe is still expanding and has actually sped up. If this truly is the case then when the moon is gone the earth will have nothing maintain its proper rotation, seasons, axis etc.

All of which is off topic but thought it to be interesting. I'm sure we contribute to global warming sure,...but like I said a couple times; for me its consumption that I'd be more concerned with...and the neat thing about that is, less consumption can and most likely = less global warming

Have fun at the track and post your times [burnout]

Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jdub07:

Have fun at the track and post your times

thanks man, i just got back. I had dinner with the guys after the track closed.
got a bunch of 12s with my heavy front tires(no more skinnies) and then went 4 rounds in elimination. I ended up giving myself away on that last round.
there is a clip that might get posted that seems to show my front 18 BULLITS of the ground!! [Eek!]

Ofcourse.. we are talking centimeters here, but every quarter of an inch counts!! [Big Grin]

Posted by 66backinblack (Member # 5372) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
Unfortunately society as a whole is the equivalent to one big "Show Me State". We dont believe shit stinks until we step in it. I do believe that we have cause irreparable damge to our Earth, but then that is part of our "Manifest Destiny" . We screw shit up then colonize elsewhere. Leaving behind a mess. That practice alone is causing damage.

This animation sums it all up
http://www.threeleggedlegs.com/view/?what=humans

ha, i love how simple it is
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