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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
I think his mom can stay if shes paying taxes so that we're not paying for his school and that she actually tries to get a citizenship instead of stealing peoples SS number.


MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- He's a serious 7-year-old on a mission to save his mom.

Four-foot-tall second-grader Saul Arellano, a U.S. citizen, was to stand before 500 members of the lower house of the Mexican Congress on Tuesday to plead for their help in lobbying Washington to stop the deportation of his migrant mother, who has taken refuge in a Chicago church.

His fight is being closely watched on both sides of the border: The result could set a precedent for more than 3 million children, like him, who are Americans born to at least one parent who is in the U.S. illegally.

While his mother, Elvira Arellano, stays inside the Adalberto United Methodist Church on Chicago's West Side, Saul has joined a months-long campaign on her behalf, speaking out from Los Angeles to Washington, where he handed a White House guard his letter to President Bush.

"I want my mom to stay with me in the U.S.," he told The Associated Press on Monday in between informal meetings with Mexican lawmakers.

Since August 15 -- the day she was scheduled to surrender to U.S. authorities for deportation -- mother and son have lived at the church. U.S. federal officials have said there is no right to sanctuary in a church under U.S. law, and nothing to prevent them from arresting her.

But so far, they have not moved to detain Elvira Arellano, who has won the support from political figures across the United States, including Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

Arellano, 31, said she sent her son to her homeland because she believes the Mexican government has the ability to help her.

"If the Mexican government can negotiate a free-trade agreement, they can negotiate a good accord to keep families from being split up," she said.

But immigration reform has proved to be a much tougher issue to resolve than trade. President Vicente Fox, who leaves office December 1, has struggled throughout his six-year term to gain Washington's support for a migration accord that would allow for thousands of Mexicans to work legally in the U.S. And while Bush personally supports a temporary guest-worker program, Republicans in Congress limited action to strengthening the border fence.

Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, away from his school, friends and familiar environment.

Conservative columnists and anti-illegal immigration activists say she put herself and her son in this difficult spot by repeatedly breaking the law.

Arellano illegally crossed into the United States in 1997 and was deported shortly afterward. She returned within days, living for three years in Oregon before moving to Chicago in 2000.

She was arrested two years later at O'Hare International Airport, where she worked as a cleaning woman. Convicted of working under a false Social Security number, she served three years probation before being ordered to appear at the immigration office in Chicago.

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she was using a false social security to work , while she was in the process of probably getting her citizenship.... did it ever occur to you that it takes MONEY, to get a lawyer and pay for all those citizenship fees and dues!! also if she was using a social security number, she was paying taxes ,, did you know that the IRS gets millions upon millions of dollars of this unclaimed tax money, that that they lump into and unknown acccount...shes a hardworker taht isnt trying any shady shit,, why would you want to break up their family??? thats jus plain wrong
 

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Posted by 1968_Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 

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Originally posted by sf89lx:

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
I think his mom can stay if shes paying taxes so that we're not paying for his school and that she actually tries to get a citizenship instead of stealing peoples SS number.


MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- He's a serious 7-year-old on a mission to save his mom.

Four-foot-tall second-grader Saul Arellano, a U.S. citizen, was to stand before 500 members of the lower house of the Mexican Congress on Tuesday to plead for their help in lobbying Washington to stop the deportation of his migrant mother, who has taken refuge in a Chicago church.

His fight is being closely watched on both sides of the border: The result could set a precedent for more than 3 million children, like him, who are Americans born to at least one parent who is in the U.S. illegally.

While his mother, Elvira Arellano, stays inside the Adalberto United Methodist Church on Chicago's West Side, Saul has joined a months-long campaign on her behalf, speaking out from Los Angeles to Washington, where he handed a White House guard his letter to President Bush.

"I want my mom to stay with me in the U.S.," he told The Associated Press on Monday in between informal meetings with Mexican lawmakers.

Since August 15 -- the day she was scheduled to surrender to U.S. authorities for deportation -- mother and son have lived at the church. U.S. federal officials have said there is no right to sanctuary in a church under U.S. law, and nothing to prevent them from arresting her.

But so far, they have not moved to detain Elvira Arellano, who has won the support from political figures across the United States, including Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

Arellano, 31, said she sent her son to her homeland because she believes the Mexican government has the ability to help her.

"If the Mexican government can negotiate a free-trade agreement, they can negotiate a good accord to keep families from being split up," she said.

But immigration reform has proved to be a much tougher issue to resolve than trade. President Vicente Fox, who leaves office December 1, has struggled throughout his six-year term to gain Washington's support for a migration accord that would allow for thousands of Mexicans to work legally in the U.S. And while Bush personally supports a temporary guest-worker program, Republicans in Congress limited action to strengthening the border fence.

Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, away from his school, friends and familiar environment.

Conservative columnists and anti-illegal immigration activists say she put herself and her son in this difficult spot by repeatedly breaking the law.

Arellano illegally crossed into the United States in 1997 and was deported shortly afterward. She returned within days, living for three years in Oregon before moving to Chicago in 2000.

She was arrested two years later at O'Hare International Airport, where she worked as a cleaning woman. Convicted of working under a false Social Security number, she served three years probation before being ordered to appear at the immigration office in Chicago.

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she was using a false social security to work , while she was in the process of probably getting her citizenship.... did it ever occur to you that it takes MONEY, to get a lawyer and pay for all those citizenship fees and dues!! also if she was using a social security number, she was paying taxes ,, did you know that the IRS gets millions upon millions of dollars of this unclaimed tax money, that that they lump into and unknown acccount...shes a hardworker taht isnt trying any shady shit,, why would you want to break up their family??? thats jus plain wrong

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:

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Originally posted by sf89lx:

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
I think his mom can stay if shes paying taxes so that we're not paying for his school and that she actually tries to get a citizenship instead of stealing peoples SS number.


MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- He's a serious 7-year-old on a mission to save his mom.

Four-foot-tall second-grader Saul Arellano, a U.S. citizen, was to stand before 500 members of the lower house of the Mexican Congress on Tuesday to plead for their help in lobbying Washington to stop the deportation of his migrant mother, who has taken refuge in a Chicago church.

His fight is being closely watched on both sides of the border: The result could set a precedent for more than 3 million children, like him, who are Americans born to at least one parent who is in the U.S. illegally.

While his mother, Elvira Arellano, stays inside the Adalberto United Methodist Church on Chicago's West Side, Saul has joined a months-long campaign on her behalf, speaking out from Los Angeles to Washington, where he handed a White House guard his letter to President Bush.

"I want my mom to stay with me in the U.S.," he told The Associated Press on Monday in between informal meetings with Mexican lawmakers.

Since August 15 -- the day she was scheduled to surrender to U.S. authorities for deportation -- mother and son have lived at the church. U.S. federal officials have said there is no right to sanctuary in a church under U.S. law, and nothing to prevent them from arresting her.

But so far, they have not moved to detain Elvira Arellano, who has won the support from political figures across the United States, including Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

Arellano, 31, said she sent her son to her homeland because she believes the Mexican government has the ability to help her.

"If the Mexican government can negotiate a free-trade agreement, they can negotiate a good accord to keep families from being split up," she said.

But immigration reform has proved to be a much tougher issue to resolve than trade. President Vicente Fox, who leaves office December 1, has struggled throughout his six-year term to gain Washington's support for a migration accord that would allow for thousands of Mexicans to work legally in the U.S. And while Bush personally supports a temporary guest-worker program, Republicans in Congress limited action to strengthening the border fence.

Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, away from his school, friends and familiar environment.

Conservative columnists and anti-illegal immigration activists say she put herself and her son in this difficult spot by repeatedly breaking the law.

Arellano illegally crossed into the United States in 1997 and was deported shortly afterward. She returned within days, living for three years in Oregon before moving to Chicago in 2000.

She was arrested two years later at O'Hare International Airport, where she worked as a cleaning woman. Convicted of working under a false Social Security number, she served three years probation before being ordered to appear at the immigration office in Chicago.

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she was using a false social security to work , while she was in the process of probably getting her citizenship.... did it ever occur to you that it takes MONEY, to get a lawyer and pay for all those citizenship fees and dues!! also if she was using a social security number, she was paying taxes ,, did you know that the IRS gets millions upon millions of dollars of this unclaimed tax money, that that they lump into and unknown acccount...shes a hardworker taht isnt trying any shady shit,, why would you want to break up their family??? thats jus plain wrong

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What would be plain wrong is if she left her son here instead of taking him with her. Criminals break up their families all the time when they get arrested, your not bitching about that are you?

Also she had money before working, how else did she get a SS number? she bought it off someone that had access to them.

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its funny how you throw out the word "criminal" like nothing...(don't tell me you've never littered, or stolen a small item at a store or sped on the freeway , you CRIMINAL),, and dude,, who said you have to pay to get a SS,,, you just make one up,, and you get can one for $50 bucks,, easily,,, as compared to thousdands of dollars in lawyers fees and paperwork to become a citizen....
 

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Posted by 1968_Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 

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Originally posted by sf89lx:

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:

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Originally posted by sf89lx:

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
I think his mom can stay if shes paying taxes so that we're not paying for his school and that she actually tries to get a citizenship instead of stealing peoples SS number.


MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- He's a serious 7-year-old on a mission to save his mom.

Four-foot-tall second-grader Saul Arellano, a U.S. citizen, was to stand before 500 members of the lower house of the Mexican Congress on Tuesday to plead for their help in lobbying Washington to stop the deportation of his migrant mother, who has taken refuge in a Chicago church.

His fight is being closely watched on both sides of the border: The result could set a precedent for more than 3 million children, like him, who are Americans born to at least one parent who is in the U.S. illegally.

While his mother, Elvira Arellano, stays inside the Adalberto United Methodist Church on Chicago's West Side, Saul has joined a months-long campaign on her behalf, speaking out from Los Angeles to Washington, where he handed a White House guard his letter to President Bush.

"I want my mom to stay with me in the U.S.," he told The Associated Press on Monday in between informal meetings with Mexican lawmakers.

Since August 15 -- the day she was scheduled to surrender to U.S. authorities for deportation -- mother and son have lived at the church. U.S. federal officials have said there is no right to sanctuary in a church under U.S. law, and nothing to prevent them from arresting her.

But so far, they have not moved to detain Elvira Arellano, who has won the support from political figures across the United States, including Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

Arellano, 31, said she sent her son to her homeland because she believes the Mexican government has the ability to help her.

"If the Mexican government can negotiate a free-trade agreement, they can negotiate a good accord to keep families from being split up," she said.

But immigration reform has proved to be a much tougher issue to resolve than trade. President Vicente Fox, who leaves office December 1, has struggled throughout his six-year term to gain Washington's support for a migration accord that would allow for thousands of Mexicans to work legally in the U.S. And while Bush personally supports a temporary guest-worker program, Republicans in Congress limited action to strengthening the border fence.

Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, away from his school, friends and familiar environment.

Conservative columnists and anti-illegal immigration activists say she put herself and her son in this difficult spot by repeatedly breaking the law.

Arellano illegally crossed into the United States in 1997 and was deported shortly afterward. She returned within days, living for three years in Oregon before moving to Chicago in 2000.

She was arrested two years later at O'Hare International Airport, where she worked as a cleaning woman. Convicted of working under a false Social Security number, she served three years probation before being ordered to appear at the immigration office in Chicago.

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she was using a false social security to work , while she was in the process of probably getting her citizenship.... did it ever occur to you that it takes MONEY, to get a lawyer and pay for all those citizenship fees and dues!! also if she was using a social security number, she was paying taxes ,, did you know that the IRS gets millions upon millions of dollars of this unclaimed tax money, that that they lump into and unknown acccount...shes a hardworker taht isnt trying any shady shit,, why would you want to break up their family??? thats jus plain wrong

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What would be plain wrong is if she left her son here instead of taking him with her. Criminals break up their families all the time when they get arrested, your not bitching about that are you?

Also she had money before working, how else did she get a SS number? she bought it off someone that had access to them.

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its funny how you throw out the word "criminal" like nothing...(don't tell me you've never littered, or stolen a small item at a store or sped on the freeway , you CRIMINAL),, and dude,, who said you have to pay to get a SS,,, you just make one up,, and you get can one for $50 bucks,, easily,,, as compared to thousdands of dollars in lawyers fees and paperwork to become a citizen....

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Originally posted by sf89lx:

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:

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Originally posted by sf89lx:

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
I think his mom can stay if shes paying taxes so that we're not paying for his school and that she actually tries to get a citizenship instead of stealing peoples SS number.

it is in the thousands,, btwn 1,000 - 5,000,, and i'll get u facts...
MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- He's a serious 7-year-old on a mission to save his mom.

Four-foot-tall second-grader Saul Arellano, a U.S. citizen, was to stand before 500 members of the lower house of the Mexican Congress on Tuesday to plead for their help in lobbying Washington to stop the deportation of his migrant mother, who has taken refuge in a Chicago church.

His fight is being closely watched on both sides of the border: The result could set a precedent for more than 3 million children, like him, who are Americans born to at least one parent who is in the U.S. illegally.

While his mother, Elvira Arellano, stays inside the Adalberto United Methodist Church on Chicago's West Side, Saul has joined a months-long campaign on her behalf, speaking out from Los Angeles to Washington, where he handed a White House guard his letter to President Bush.

"I want my mom to stay with me in the U.S.," he told The Associated Press on Monday in between informal meetings with Mexican lawmakers.

Since August 15 -- the day she was scheduled to surrender to U.S. authorities for deportation -- mother and son have lived at the church. U.S. federal officials have said there is no right to sanctuary in a church under U.S. law, and nothing to prevent them from arresting her.

But so far, they have not moved to detain Elvira Arellano, who has won the support from political figures across the United States, including Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

Arellano, 31, said she sent her son to her homeland because she believes the Mexican government has the ability to help her.

"If the Mexican government can negotiate a free-trade agreement, they can negotiate a good accord to keep families from being split up," she said.

But immigration reform has proved to be a much tougher issue to resolve than trade. President Vicente Fox, who leaves office December 1, has struggled throughout his six-year term to gain Washington's support for a migration accord that would allow for thousands of Mexicans to work legally in the U.S. And while Bush personally supports a temporary guest-worker program, Republicans in Congress limited action to strengthening the border fence.

Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, away from his school, friends and familiar environment.

Conservative columnists and anti-illegal immigration activists say she put herself and her son in this difficult spot by repeatedly breaking the law.

Arellano illegally crossed into the United States in 1997 and was deported shortly afterward. She returned within days, living for three years in Oregon before moving to Chicago in 2000.

She was arrested two years later at O'Hare International Airport, where she worked as a cleaning woman. Convicted of working under a false Social Security number, she served three years probation before being ordered to appear at the immigration office in Chicago.

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she was using a false social security to work , while she was in the process of probably getting her citizenship.... did it ever occur to you that it takes MONEY, to get a lawyer and pay for all those citizenship fees and dues!! also if she was using a social security number, she was paying taxes ,, did you know that the IRS gets millions upon millions of dollars of this unclaimed tax money, that that they lump into and unknown acccount...shes a hardworker taht isnt trying any shady shit,, why would you want to break up their family??? thats jus plain wrong

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What would be plain wrong is if she left her son here instead of taking him with her. Criminals break up their families all the time when they get arrested, your not bitching about that are you?

Also she had money before working, how else did she get a SS number? she bought it off someone that had access to them.

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its funny how you throw out the word "criminal" like nothing...(don't tell me you've never littered, or stolen a small item at a store or sped on the freeway , you CRIMINAL),, and dude,, who said you have to pay to get a SS,,, you just make one up,, and you get can one for $50 bucks,, easily,,, as compared to thousdands of dollars in lawyers fees and paperwork to become a citizen....

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Its not thousands of dollars, get your facts straight before you start quoting things.

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Originally posted by sf89lx:

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:

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Originally posted by sf89lx:

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:

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Originally posted by sf89lx:

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
I think his mom can stay if shes paying taxes so that we're not paying for his school and that she actually tries to get a citizenship instead of stealing peoples SS number.

it is in the thousands,, btwn 1,000 - 5,000,, and i'll get u facts...
MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- He's a serious 7-year-old on a mission to save his mom.

Four-foot-tall second-grader Saul Arellano, a U.S. citizen, was to stand before 500 members of the lower house of the Mexican Congress on Tuesday to plead for their help in lobbying Washington to stop the deportation of his migrant mother, who has taken refuge in a Chicago church.

His fight is being closely watched on both sides of the border: The result could set a precedent for more than 3 million children, like him, who are Americans born to at least one parent who is in the U.S. illegally.

While his mother, Elvira Arellano, stays inside the Adalberto United Methodist Church on Chicago's West Side, Saul has joined a months-long campaign on her behalf, speaking out from Los Angeles to Washington, where he handed a White House guard his letter to President Bush.

"I want my mom to stay with me in the U.S.," he told The Associated Press on Monday in between informal meetings with Mexican lawmakers.

Since August 15 -- the day she was scheduled to surrender to U.S. authorities for deportation -- mother and son have lived at the church. U.S. federal officials have said there is no right to sanctuary in a church under U.S. law, and nothing to prevent them from arresting her.

But so far, they have not moved to detain Elvira Arellano, who has won the support from political figures across the United States, including Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

Arellano, 31, said she sent her son to her homeland because she believes the Mexican government has the ability to help her.

"If the Mexican government can negotiate a free-trade agreement, they can negotiate a good accord to keep families from being split up," she said.

But immigration reform has proved to be a much tougher issue to resolve than trade. President Vicente Fox, who leaves office December 1, has struggled throughout his six-year term to gain Washington's support for a migration accord that would allow for thousands of Mexicans to work legally in the U.S. And while Bush personally supports a temporary guest-worker program, Republicans in Congress limited action to strengthening the border fence.

Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, away from his school, friends and familiar environment.

Conservative columnists and anti-illegal immigration activists say she put herself and her son in this difficult spot by repeatedly breaking the law.

Arellano illegally crossed into the United States in 1997 and was deported shortly afterward. She returned within days, living for three years in Oregon before moving to Chicago in 2000.

She was arrested two years later at O'Hare International Airport, where she worked as a cleaning woman. Convicted of working under a false Social Security number, she served three years probation before being ordered to appear at the immigration office in Chicago.

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she was using a false social security to work , while she was in the process of probably getting her citizenship.... did it ever occur to you that it takes MONEY, to get a lawyer and pay for all those citizenship fees and dues!! also if she was using a social security number, she was paying taxes ,, did you know that the IRS gets millions upon millions of dollars of this unclaimed tax money, that that they lump into and unknown acccount...shes a hardworker taht isnt trying any shady shit,, why would you want to break up their family??? thats jus plain wrong

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What would be plain wrong is if she left her son here instead of taking him with her. Criminals break up their families all the time when they get arrested, your not bitching about that are you?

Also she had money before working, how else did she get a SS number? she bought it off someone that had access to them.

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its funny how you throw out the word "criminal" like nothing...(don't tell me you've never littered, or stolen a small item at a store or sped on the freeway , you CRIMINAL),, and dude,, who said you have to pay to get a SS,,, you just make one up,, and you get can one for $50 bucks,, easily,,, as compared to thousdands of dollars in lawyers fees and paperwork to become a citizen....

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Its not thousands of dollars, get your facts straight before you start quoting things.

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close to a thousand dollars,, plus attorney fees,, HELLO... HERES UR INFO buddy
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-citizen29oct29,0,1486652.story?coll=la-home-headlines

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So its 400 bucks right now, my friend only paid 500 bucks and didn't need any lawyers or anything. Your posting a news article about them THINKING about raising the price to 800? Thats not proof of anything.
 

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Posted by JoHnNy SaVaGe (Member # 6424) on :
 
The citizenship application fee is $400.00 but b4 being a citizen they have to be permanent residents and that is a seperate charge all together.
 

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Posted by 87#184saleen (Member # 6276) on :
 
it is thousands of dollars i payed a lawyer $2000 for a f...cking speeding contest ticket what make you thing its going to be cheaper.. nothings cheap in america.
 

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Posted by COBRA302MAN (Member # 6658) on :
 
its the lawyers that make it expensive i know of people that have been told that with 5 grand they could become citzens and they get get ripped off and thats just the people i know imagine how many people are getting ripped off
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
people like sf89lx are why the country is as goofed up as it is already. I know people who did it correctly and became citizens the right way. It is a insult to them when stuff like this happens. Oh btw alot of illegals have more than one SS number. One to work off of and another one or two to claim welfare off of. So we should just look the other way why the SS system goes dowm the tubes.
 

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Posted by bottled02GT?? (Member # 1772) on :
 

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Originally posted by JoHnNy SaVaGe:
The citizenship application fee is $400.00 but b4 being a citizen they have to be permanent residents and that is a seperate charge all together.

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Originally posted by asskickn88:
Fuck illegals.

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Posted by 5.0Caliber (Member # 5865) on :
 
It doesnt cost shit (and you dont need a lawyer) if you do it the right way. If you apply for a visa or other immagration papers while still in the other country. Like 90% of illegals are mexican or south american, because they are connected to the U.S. by land, you dont see this problem with people from most of asia, middle east or europe. If they would follow the process that is laid out for them(illegals) then they would not be in this situation. For the people who say money is a problem for them, how do you think they get here, they pay smugglers or trafficers THOUSOUNDS upon THOUSANDS of DOLLARS, if they spend that money on getting here legally, granted they wont be citizens but more likely permanent residents.
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:
It doesnt cost shit (and you dont need a lawyer) if you do it the right way. If you apply for a visa or other immagration papers while still in the other country. Like 90% of illegals are mexican or south american, because they are connected to the U.S. by land, you dont see this problem with people from most of asia, middle east or europe. If they would follow the process that is laid out for them(illegals) then they would not be in this situation. For the people who say money is a problem for them, how do you think they get here, they pay smugglers or trafficers THOUSOUNDS upon THOUSANDS of DOLLARS, if they spend that money on getting here legally, granted they wont be citizens but more likely permanent residents.

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Originally posted by JoHnNy SaVaGe:
The citizenship application fee is $400.00 but b4 being a citizen they have to be permanent residents and that is a seperate charge all together.

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i agree, my girl has lived in the US with her family for 22yrs (shes 29), she and her fam are 100% Nicoya (Nicaragua) if i spelt that right, And she doesnt become legal til this Jan... now i dont know all of her story, but damn ive heard its been trying and a long process.

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WTF Man? you were supposed to save yourself for a Peruvian girl.. what the heck is this i hear about a nicoya..

jk

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Posted by 1968_Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:
It doesnt cost shit (and you dont need a lawyer) if you do it the right way. If you apply for a visa or other immagration papers while still in the other country. Like 90% of illegals are mexican or south american, because they are connected to the U.S. by land, you dont see this problem with people from most of asia, middle east or europe. If they would follow the process that is laid out for them(illegals) then they would not be in this situation. For the people who say money is a problem for them, how do you think they get here, they pay smugglers or trafficers THOUSOUNDS upon THOUSANDS of DOLLARS, if they spend that money on getting here legally, granted they wont be citizens but more likely permanent residents.

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i wasn't gonna comment on this to save me the headache, i was gonna originally flame Dana but decided to leave him alone, .. but you...sorry man, but that is some of the most retarded and absurd shit i've ever heard. i could break your post down in make you look like a dumb ass.. but i'll leave it alone.. for now, depends on your reply.
fyi, i'm against illegal immigration, just the "facts" you state have been pulled out of someone's ass. who exactly? i don't know.

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:
It doesnt cost shit (and you dont need a lawyer) if you do it the right way. If you apply for a visa or other immagration papers while still in the other country. Like 90% of illegals are mexican or south american, because they are connected to the U.S. by land, you dont see this problem with people from most of asia, middle east or europe. If they would follow the process that is laid out for them(illegals) then they would not be in this situation. For the people who say money is a problem for them, how do you think they get here, they pay smugglers or trafficers THOUSOUNDS upon THOUSANDS of DOLLARS, if they spend that money on getting here legally, granted they wont be citizens but more likely permanent residents.

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i wasn't gonna comment on this to save me the headache, i was gonna originally flame Dana but decided to leave him alone, .. but you...sorry man, but that is some of the most retarded and absurd shit i've ever heard. i could break your post down in make you look like a dumb ass.. but i'll leave it alone.. for now, depends on your reply.
fyi, i'm against illegal immigration, just the "facts" you state have been pulled out of someone's ass. who exactly? i don't know.

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Everything he said is what i have read as well. Coyotes get paid money to smuggler illegals into the country.

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you are missing the point Dana... nevermind. you guys are right..
 

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Posted by 89 FAKE SNAKE (Member # 4531) on :
 
keep em..i like my mexican food

[ November 15, 2006, 04:00 AM: Message edited by: 89 FAKE SNAKE ]
 

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Posted by NavidR (Member # 3164) on :
 

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Fuck illegals.

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Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
people like sf89lx are why the country is as goofed up as it is already. I know people who did it correctly and became citizens the right way. It is a insult to them when stuff like this happens. Oh btw alot of illegals have more than one SS number. One to work off of and another one or two to claim welfare off of. So we should just look the other way why the SS system goes dowm the tubes.

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you are a fucken moron..
 

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Posted by 1968_Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:
It doesnt cost shit (and you dont need a lawyer) if you do it the right way. If you apply for a visa or other immagration papers while still in the other country. Like 90% of illegals are mexican or south american, because they are connected to the U.S. by land, you dont see this problem with people from most of asia, middle east or europe. If they would follow the process that is laid out for them(illegals) then they would not be in this situation. For the people who say money is a problem for them, how do you think they get here, they pay smugglers or trafficers THOUSOUNDS upon THOUSANDS of DOLLARS, if they spend that money on getting here legally, granted they wont be citizens but more likely permanent residents.

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i wasn't gonna comment on this to save me the headache, i was gonna originally flame Dana but decided to leave him alone, .. but you...sorry man, but that is some of the most retarded and absurd shit i've ever heard. i could break your post down in make you look like a dumb ass.. but i'll leave it alone.. for now, depends on your reply.
fyi, i'm against illegal immigration, just the "facts" you state have been pulled out of someone's ass. who exactly? i don't know.

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Everything he said is what i have read as well. Coyotes get paid money to smuggler illegals into the country.

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you are missing the point Dana... nevermind. you guys are right..

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It doesn't seem you have a point at all, you haven't stated anything so far all you've done is come in here and tell us we're wrong.
 

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Posted by onesicklx (Member # 285) on :
 
we should start cafords illegal reform also anybody with a member number of 2000 or higher is now illegal on this site...they need to pay a membership fee to become legal on this site...



 

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Posted by onesicklx (Member # 285) on :
 

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
I think his mom can stay if shes paying taxes so that we're not paying for his school and that she actually tries to get a citizenship instead of stealing peoples SS number.


MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- He's a serious 7-year-old on a mission to save his mom.

Four-foot-tall second-grader Saul Arellano, a U.S. citizen, was to stand before 500 members of the lower house of the Mexican Congress on Tuesday to plead for their help in lobbying Washington to stop the deportation of his migrant mother, who has taken refuge in a Chicago church.

His fight is being closely watched on both sides of the border: The result could set a precedent for more than 3 million children, like him, who are Americans born to at least one parent who is in the U.S. illegally.

While his mother, Elvira Arellano, stays inside the Adalberto United Methodist Church on Chicago's West Side, Saul has joined a months-long campaign on her behalf, speaking out from Los Angeles to Washington, where he handed a White House guard his letter to President Bush.

"I want my mom to stay with me in the U.S.," he told The Associated Press on Monday in between informal meetings with Mexican lawmakers.

Since August 15 -- the day she was scheduled to surrender to U.S. authorities for deportation -- mother and son have lived at the church. U.S. federal officials have said there is no right to sanctuary in a church under U.S. law, and nothing to prevent them from arresting her.

But so far, they have not moved to detain Elvira Arellano, who has won the support from political figures across the United States, including Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

Arellano, 31, said she sent her son to her homeland because she believes the Mexican government has the ability to help her.

"If the Mexican government can negotiate a free-trade agreement, they can negotiate a good accord to keep families from being split up," she said.

But immigration reform has proved to be a much tougher issue to resolve than trade. President Vicente Fox, who leaves office December 1, has struggled throughout his six-year term to gain Washington's support for a migration accord that would allow for thousands of Mexicans to work legally in the U.S. And while Bush personally supports a temporary guest-worker program, Republicans in Congress limited action to strengthening the border fence.

Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, away from his school, friends and familiar environment.

Conservative columnists and anti-illegal immigration activists say she put herself and her son in this difficult spot by repeatedly breaking the law.

Arellano illegally crossed into the United States in 1997 and was deported shortly afterward. She returned within days, living for three years in Oregon before moving to Chicago in 2000.

She was arrested two years later at O'Hare International Airport, where she worked as a cleaning woman. Convicted of working under a false Social Security number, she served three years probation before being ordered to appear at the immigration office in Chicago.

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why do you always post this type of shit, if you hate illegals so much why dont you really do something about it, join the national guard and stand your post PUNK...
 

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Posted by 1968_Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 
Is that all you have to say? You have nothing intelligent to say? I like to get other peoples opinions thats why i post stuff like this but it seems like all the people for illegals being here only talk shit and have nothing intelligent to say ever and when they try and show proof of something its always something that MIGHT happen in the next 4 years.
 

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Posted by onesicklx (Member # 285) on :
 

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
Is that all you have to say? You have nothing intelligent to say? I like to get other peoples opinions thats why i post stuff like this but it seems like all the people for illegals being here only talk shit and have nothing intelligent to say ever and when they try and show proof of something its always something that MIGHT happen in the next 4 years.

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
Is that all you have to say? You have nothing intelligent to say? I like to get other peoples opinions thats why i post stuff like this but it seems like all the people for illegals being here only talk shit and have nothing intelligent to say ever and when they try and show proof of something its always something that MIGHT happen in the next 4 years.

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intelligent? all you did was copied and pasted some news story, i could go and do the same...im at work right now and work 2 jobs im sorry i cant get intellegent with you...

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There you go again, no opinion at all nothing intelligent so say just trying to get pity from me for working 2 jobs.

Looks like your working pretty hard too posting on cafords.

I'd also like to add that i work a job, i am a volunteer firefighter AND i am going to college and now its time to go to school so i will be looking for your intelligent opinion tonight.

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
oh btw onesicklx lick my sack. What I posted is 100% fact. Maybe the truth hits a little to close to home for you hmmm. I guess you are going to have to deal with it. to bad bye bye....
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:
It doesnt cost shit (and you dont need a lawyer) if you do it the right way. If you apply for a visa or other immagration papers while still in the other country. Like 90% of illegals are mexican or south american, because they are connected to the U.S. by land, you dont see this problem with people from most of asia, middle east or europe. If they would follow the process that is laid out for them(illegals) then they would not be in this situation. For the people who say money is a problem for them, how do you think they get here, they pay smugglers or trafficers THOUSOUNDS upon THOUSANDS of DOLLARS, if they spend that money on getting here legally, granted they wont be citizens but more likely permanent residents.

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i wasn't gonna comment on this to save me the headache, i was gonna originally flame Dana but decided to leave him alone, .. but you...sorry man, but that is some of the most retarded and absurd shit i've ever heard. i could break your post down in make you look like a dumb ass.. but i'll leave it alone.. for now, depends on your reply.
fyi, i'm against illegal immigration, just the "facts" you state have been pulled out of someone's ass. who exactly? i don't know.

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Everything he said is what i have read as well. Coyotes get paid money to smuggler illegals into the country.

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you are missing the point Dana... nevermind. you guys are right..

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It doesn't seem you have a point at all, you haven't stated anything so far all you've done is come in here and tell us we're wrong.

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you are right. i haven't stated anything. i'm purposely doing that. However, leave the ethnocentrism behind, read this thread from the first post on(again, leaving your so called convictions behind) and you'll see my point.
All i have to say, because i have a paper due @ 11:30 and i have yet to get started, is that every time, i mean EVERY time someone starts a post on immigration, illegal or not, Someone has to throw out some bullshit statistics or ideologies that they got out of a restroom wall.
That's all i'm saying. read this WHOLE thread and you'll see is BS.
As well as that little kid going to Mexico and talking to the people there. wtf... nothing but a media ploy. what is he gonna get accomplished? nada.
 

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Posted by sf89lx (Member # 3965) on :
 

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I think his mom can stay if shes paying taxes so that we're not paying for his school and that she actually tries to get a citizenship instead of stealing peoples SS number.


MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- He's a serious 7-year-old on a mission to save his mom.

Four-foot-tall second-grader Saul Arellano, a U.S. citizen, was to stand before 500 members of the lower house of the Mexican Congress on Tuesday to plead for their help in lobbying Washington to stop the deportation of his migrant mother, who has taken refuge in a Chicago church.

His fight is being closely watched on both sides of the border: The result could set a precedent for more than 3 million children, like him, who are Americans born to at least one parent who is in the U.S. illegally.

While his mother, Elvira Arellano, stays inside the Adalberto United Methodist Church on Chicago's West Side, Saul has joined a months-long campaign on her behalf, speaking out from Los Angeles to Washington, where he handed a White House guard his letter to President Bush.

"I want my mom to stay with me in the U.S.," he told The Associated Press on Monday in between informal meetings with Mexican lawmakers.

Since August 15 -- the day she was scheduled to surrender to U.S. authorities for deportation -- mother and son have lived at the church. U.S. federal officials have said there is no right to sanctuary in a church under U.S. law, and nothing to prevent them from arresting her.

But so far, they have not moved to detain Elvira Arellano, who has won the support from political figures across the United States, including Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

Arellano, 31, said she sent her son to her homeland because she believes the Mexican government has the ability to help her.

"If the Mexican government can negotiate a free-trade agreement, they can negotiate a good accord to keep families from being split up," she said.

But immigration reform has proved to be a much tougher issue to resolve than trade. President Vicente Fox, who leaves office December 1, has struggled throughout his six-year term to gain Washington's support for a migration accord that would allow for thousands of Mexicans to work legally in the U.S. And while Bush personally supports a temporary guest-worker program, Republicans in Congress limited action to strengthening the border fence.

Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, away from his school, friends and familiar environment.

Conservative columnists and anti-illegal immigration activists say she put herself and her son in this difficult spot by repeatedly breaking the law.

Arellano illegally crossed into the United States in 1997 and was deported shortly afterward. She returned within days, living for three years in Oregon before moving to Chicago in 2000.

She was arrested two years later at O'Hare International Airport, where she worked as a cleaning woman. Convicted of working under a false Social Security number, she served three years probation before being ordered to appear at the immigration office in Chicago.

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she was using a false social security to work , while she was in the process of probably getting her citizenship.... did it ever occur to you that it takes MONEY, to get a lawyer and pay for all those citizenship fees and dues!! also if she was using a social security number, she was paying taxes ,, did you know that the IRS gets millions upon millions of dollars of this unclaimed tax money, that that they lump into and unknown acccount...shes a hardworker taht isnt trying any shady shit,, why would you want to break up their family??? thats jus plain wrong

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What would be plain wrong is if she left her son here instead of taking him with her. Criminals break up their families all the time when they get arrested, your not bitching about that are you?

Also she had money before working, how else did she get a SS number? she bought it off someone that had access to them.

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its funny how you throw out the word "criminal" like nothing...(don't tell me you've never littered, or stolen a small item at a store or sped on the freeway , you CRIMINAL),, and dude,, who said you have to pay to get a SS,,, you just make one up,, and you get can one for $50 bucks,, easily,,, as compared to thousdands of dollars in lawyers fees and paperwork to become a citizen....

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Originally posted by onesicklx:
we should start cafords illegal reform also anybody with a member number of 2000 or higher is now illegal on this site...they need to pay a membership fee to become legal on this site...

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Fuck illegals.

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Well said, You know my whole family is an immegrant to this country but we didn't just come over here, we waited in our own countries tell we got our paper work, then got on a plane and came to this country. If we would have been denied then we qook of just stayed in our own country, NO BIG DEAL!!!!

I'm so against illegal immegrants, we need to deport all of them. For this lady, we need to deport her ass too, and make an example of her. See illegal immegrants are criminals that broke the law and therefore they need to be Punished!

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okay 1.. you said u wanted in your home country to fill out paperwork, it to be processed, approved,,etc.. and then you said even if you would of gotten denied you would of stayed " NO bid deal" correct.. ok first off why do you think immigrants come to this country ,, esepecially from the americas?? (economic opportunity, better living, better education, better healthcare, but also escape persecution in their homecountries, violence, and the aftermath of U.S. intervention in their countries for the last century... It probably wouldnt be a big deal for you because I;m assuming you didnt need to escape from a "bad" situation in your homecountry. You could of have found a job in your homecountry, bought property,etc, and lived a happy life there,
no about your deport them all comment,,double question i pose for you,, YOU GOING TO CLEAN TOILETS FOR A LIVING BUD??? and once again like someone else on this board, u throw out the word criminal like nothing,,Yes i'll admit that they are entering the country illegally, and illegally working so in theory they are breaking U.S. immigration law, but to call them a "criminal",, i guess i could call you that too,, (if you've ever pissed on the street, jaywalked, went over the speed limit, littered) in the end its your opinion, but your to wrapped in your own little world to know any better,, my advice,, pick up a book
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 

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we should start cafords illegal reform also anybody with a member number of 2000 or higher is now illegal on this site...they need to pay a membership fee to become legal on this site...

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let me know how much i need to pay and ill gladly pay it. i try to stay out of the political issues,but im going to respond to this one. im italian, my family migrated from italy through ellis island they were given shots, papers, and had to learn english. to make a long story short, when my nanu died my nana settled in pittsburg ca. there was an army base, camp stoneman during ww2, because my nana was not a citizen she was takin out of her home and place in a consentration camp in oakley to live along with her three youngest sons even though three of her other sons where fighting the war in the us navy at the time. the youngest three later were also in the navy duing the korean war one of which was my father, they all fought so we could have the freedom to express our opinions and i respect that. im nobody special, unless you are an american indian, your here because your families immagrated here from one country or another, and more than likely they came here legally, even alot from mexico,they came here to better their life, they learned english, they worked and made a contribution to this country instead of being a burrdon, but thats not the issue. the issue is the ones who are here ILLEGALLY. its against the LAW and this law as well as all others must be inforced.

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Originally posted by onesicklx:
we should start cafords illegal reform also anybody with a member number of 2000 or higher is now illegal on this site...they need to pay a membership fee to become legal on this site...

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let me know how much i need to pay and ill gladly pay it. i try to stay out of the political issues,but im going to respond to this one. im italian, my family migrated from italy through ellis island they were given shots, papers, and had to learn english. to make a long story short, when my nanu died my nana settled in pittsburg ca. there was an army base, camp stoneman during ww2, because my nana was not a citizen she was takin out of her home and place in a consentration camp in oakley to live along with her three youngest sons even though three of her other sons where fighting the war in the us navy at the time. the youngest three later were also in the navy duing the korean war one of which was my father, they all fought so we could have the freedom to express our opinions and i respect that. im nobody special, unless you are an american indian, your here because your families immagrated here from one country or another, and more than likely they came here legally, even alot from mexico,they came here to better their life, they learned english, they worked and made a contribution to this country instead of being a burrdon, but thats not the issue. the issue is the ones who are here ILLEGALLY. its against the LAW and this law as well as all others must be inforced.

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Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
people like sf89lx are why the country is as goofed up as it is already. I know people who did it correctly and became citizens the right way. It is a insult to them when stuff like this happens. Oh btw alot of illegals have more than one SS number. One to work off of and another one or two to claim welfare off of. So we should just look the other way why the SS system goes dowm the tubes.

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you are a fucken moron..

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ok Mr. Right,, how should we fix this "immigration" issue then?? privatize SS like Mr. Bush wants,, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.. i;ll just let ur reply show how Moronic you are,, its just sad
 

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Posted by uncle bill (Member # 3953) on :
 
sf89lx
no individual forced the italians to learn english, it just happens to be the official language of this country and common sence would tell you if you want to better yourself in another country you better learn their language.if we didnt back then, then we couldnt get a drivers licence, for example because the test were in english not chinese, spanish,italian, ect. please dont get me wrong this is the land of oppertunity and i wellcome people from all countries who want to become AMERICANS, LEGALY.the oppertunity is there. we shouldnt have to give anything but a fair shake the least they can do is learn OUR language.
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 

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sf89lx
no individual forced the italians to learn english, it just happens to be the official language of this country and common sence would tell you if you want to better yourself in another country you better learn their language.if we didnt back then, then we couldnt get a drivers licence, for example because the test were in english not chinese, spanish,italian, ect. please dont get me wrong this is the land of oppertunity and i wellcome people from all countries who want to become AMERICANS, LEGALY.the oppertunity is there. we shouldnt have to give anything but a fair shake the least they can do is learn OUR language.

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sf89lx
no individual forced the italians to learn english, it just happens to be the official language of this country and common sence would tell you if you want to better yourself in another country you better learn their language.if we didnt back then, then we couldnt get a drivers licence, for example because the test were in english not chinese, spanish,italian, ect. please dont get me wrong this is the land of oppertunity and i wellcome people from all countries who want to become AMERICANS, LEGALY.the oppertunity is there. we shouldnt have to give anything but a fair shake the least they can do is learn OUR language.

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it seems like you're very patriotic and I respect that,, my dad is actually itlian,, but my grandparents came here and never had to learn english to prosper.. hmmmmmmmm,, and its interesting how you say "our" language, whoms language is it?? don't you see that the only reason we kept the english language is because the great colonizers of this nation were british... that is where the English language is from...did you know that california's original language before english was spanish, because Spain and then mexico had control of california... hmmmmmmmm, its funny, once the U.S.. beat mexico in the war and took over their land,, they forced those mexicans living in california to learn english our get out...talk about forcing your customs on a people
 

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Posted by uncle bill (Member # 3953) on :
 

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sf89lx
no individual forced the italians to learn english, it just happens to be the official language of this country and common sence would tell you if you want to better yourself in another country you better learn their language.if we didnt back then, then we couldnt get a drivers licence, for example because the test were in english not chinese, spanish,italian, ect. please dont get me wrong this is the land of oppertunity and i wellcome people from all countries who want to become AMERICANS, LEGALY.the oppertunity is there. we shouldnt have to give anything but a fair shake the least they can do is learn OUR language.

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English is not the official language. we don't have an "official" language(unless this has changed and i have not read about it). However, i do agree, the least immigrants can do, myself included, is learn the language and show respect and gratitude to this great country for all the positive and negative virtues

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
I think his mom can stay if shes paying taxes so that we're not paying for his school and that she actually tries to get a citizenship instead of stealing peoples SS number.


MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- He's a serious 7-year-old on a mission to save his mom.

Four-foot-tall second-grader Saul Arellano, a U.S. citizen, was to stand before 500 members of the lower house of the Mexican Congress on Tuesday to plead for their help in lobbying Washington to stop the deportation of his migrant mother, who has taken refuge in a Chicago church.

His fight is being closely watched on both sides of the border: The result could set a precedent for more than 3 million children, like him, who are Americans born to at least one parent who is in the U.S. illegally.

While his mother, Elvira Arellano, stays inside the Adalberto United Methodist Church on Chicago's West Side, Saul has joined a months-long campaign on her behalf, speaking out from Los Angeles to Washington, where he handed a White House guard his letter to President Bush.

"I want my mom to stay with me in the U.S.," he told The Associated Press on Monday in between informal meetings with Mexican lawmakers.

Since August 15 -- the day she was scheduled to surrender to U.S. authorities for deportation -- mother and son have lived at the church. U.S. federal officials have said there is no right to sanctuary in a church under U.S. law, and nothing to prevent them from arresting her.

But so far, they have not moved to detain Elvira Arellano, who has won the support from political figures across the United States, including Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

Arellano, 31, said she sent her son to her homeland because she believes the Mexican government has the ability to help her.

"If the Mexican government can negotiate a free-trade agreement, they can negotiate a good accord to keep families from being split up," she said.

But immigration reform has proved to be a much tougher issue to resolve than trade. President Vicente Fox, who leaves office December 1, has struggled throughout his six-year term to gain Washington's support for a migration accord that would allow for thousands of Mexicans to work legally in the U.S. And while Bush personally supports a temporary guest-worker program, Republicans in Congress limited action to strengthening the border fence.

Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, away from his school, friends and familiar environment.

Conservative columnists and anti-illegal immigration activists say she put herself and her son in this difficult spot by repeatedly breaking the law.

Arellano illegally crossed into the United States in 1997 and was deported shortly afterward. She returned within days, living for three years in Oregon before moving to Chicago in 2000.

She was arrested two years later at O'Hare International Airport, where she worked as a cleaning woman. Convicted of working under a false Social Security number, she served three years probation before being ordered to appear at the immigration office in Chicago.

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she was using a false social security to work , while she was in the process of probably getting her citizenship.... did it ever occur to you that it takes MONEY, to get a lawyer and pay for all those citizenship fees and dues!! also if she was using a social security number, she was paying taxes ,, did you know that the IRS gets millions upon millions of dollars of this unclaimed tax money, that that they lump into and unknown acccount...shes a hardworker taht isnt trying any shady shit,, why would you want to break up their family??? thats jus plain wrong

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What would be plain wrong is if she left her son here instead of taking him with her. Criminals break up their families all the time when they get arrested, your not bitching about that are you?

Also she had money before working, how else did she get a SS number? she bought it off someone that had access to them.

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its funny how you throw out the word "criminal" like nothing...(don't tell me you've never littered, or stolen a small item at a store or sped on the freeway , you CRIMINAL),, and dude,, who said you have to pay to get a SS,,, you just make one up,, and you get can one for $50 bucks,, easily,,, as compared to thousdands of dollars in lawyers fees and paperwork to become a citizen....

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I think his mom can stay if shes paying taxes so that we're not paying for his school and that she actually tries to get a citizenship instead of stealing peoples SS number.


MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- He's a serious 7-year-old on a mission to save his mom.

Four-foot-tall second-grader Saul Arellano, a U.S. citizen, was to stand before 500 members of the lower house of the Mexican Congress on Tuesday to plead for their help in lobbying Washington to stop the deportation of his migrant mother, who has taken refuge in a Chicago church.

His fight is being closely watched on both sides of the border: The result could set a precedent for more than 3 million children, like him, who are Americans born to at least one parent who is in the U.S. illegally.

While his mother, Elvira Arellano, stays inside the Adalberto United Methodist Church on Chicago's West Side, Saul has joined a months-long campaign on her behalf, speaking out from Los Angeles to Washington, where he handed a White House guard his letter to President Bush.

"I want my mom to stay with me in the U.S.," he told The Associated Press on Monday in between informal meetings with Mexican lawmakers.

Since August 15 -- the day she was scheduled to surrender to U.S. authorities for deportation -- mother and son have lived at the church. U.S. federal officials have said there is no right to sanctuary in a church under U.S. law, and nothing to prevent them from arresting her.

But so far, they have not moved to detain Elvira Arellano, who has won the support from political figures across the United States, including Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

Arellano, 31, said she sent her son to her homeland because she believes the Mexican government has the ability to help her.

"If the Mexican government can negotiate a free-trade agreement, they can negotiate a good accord to keep families from being split up," she said.

But immigration reform has proved to be a much tougher issue to resolve than trade. President Vicente Fox, who leaves office December 1, has struggled throughout his six-year term to gain Washington's support for a migration accord that would allow for thousands of Mexicans to work legally in the U.S. And while Bush personally supports a temporary guest-worker program, Republicans in Congress limited action to strengthening the border fence.

Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, away from his school, friends and familiar environment.

Conservative columnists and anti-illegal immigration activists say she put herself and her son in this difficult spot by repeatedly breaking the law.

Arellano illegally crossed into the United States in 1997 and was deported shortly afterward. She returned within days, living for three years in Oregon before moving to Chicago in 2000.

She was arrested two years later at O'Hare International Airport, where she worked as a cleaning woman. Convicted of working under a false Social Security number, she served three years probation before being ordered to appear at the immigration office in Chicago.

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she was using a false social security to work , while she was in the process of probably getting her citizenship.... did it ever occur to you that it takes MONEY, to get a lawyer and pay for all those citizenship fees and dues!! also if she was using a social security number, she was paying taxes ,, did you know that the IRS gets millions upon millions of dollars of this unclaimed tax money, that that they lump into and unknown acccount...shes a hardworker taht isnt trying any shady shit,, why would you want to break up their family??? thats jus plain wrong

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What would be plain wrong is if she left her son here instead of taking him with her. Criminals break up their families all the time when they get arrested, your not bitching about that are you?

Also she had money before working, how else did she get a SS number? she bought it off someone that had access to them.

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its funny how you throw out the word "criminal" like nothing...(don't tell me you've never littered, or stolen a small item at a store or sped on the freeway , you CRIMINAL),, and dude,, who said you have to pay to get a SS,,, you just make one up,, and you get can one for $50 bucks,, easily,,, as compared to thousdands of dollars in lawyers fees and paperwork to become a citizen....

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No response to this dana??

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Your thousands of dollars in lawyer fees have already been proven false, no need to comment on lies.

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where or how have they proven wrong?? by someones expert testimony??? im referring to the SS question
 

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Posted by NavidR (Member # 3164) on :
 

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Fuck illegals.

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Well said, You know my whole family is an immegrant to this country but we didn't just come over here, we waited in our own countries tell we got our paper work, then got on a plane and came to this country. If we would have been denied then we qook of just stayed in our own country, NO BIG DEAL!!!!

I'm so against illegal immegrants, we need to deport all of them. For this lady, we need to deport her ass too, and make an example of her. See illegal immegrants are criminals that broke the law and therefore they need to be Punished!

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okay 1.. you said u wanted in your home country to fill out paperwork, it to be processed, approved,,etc.. and then you said even if you would of gotten denied you would of stayed " NO bid deal" correct.. ok first off why do you think immigrants come to this country ,, esepecially from the americas?? (economic opportunity, better living, better education, better healthcare, but also escape persecution in their homecountries, violence, and the aftermath of U.S. intervention in their countries for the last century... It probably wouldnt be a big deal for you because I;m assuming you didnt need to escape from a "bad" situation in your homecountry. You could of have found a job in your homecountry, bought property,etc, and lived a happy life there,
no about your deport them all comment,,double question i pose for you,, YOU GOING TO CLEAN TOILETS FOR A LIVING BUD??? and once again like someone else on this board, u throw out the word criminal like nothing,,Yes i'll admit that they are entering the country illegally, and illegally working so in theory they are breaking U.S. immigration law, but to call them a "criminal",, i guess i could call you that too,, (if you've ever pissed on the street, jaywalked, went over the speed limit, littered) in the end its your opinion, but your to wrapped in your own little world to know any better,, my advice,, pick up a book

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It doesnt cost shit (and you dont need a lawyer) if you do it the right way. If you apply for a visa or other immagration papers while still in the other country. Like 90% of illegals are mexican or south american, because they are connected to the U.S. by land, you dont see this problem with people from most of asia, middle east or europe. If they would follow the process that is laid out for them(illegals) then they would not be in this situation. For the people who say money is a problem for them, how do you think they get here, they pay smugglers or trafficers THOUSOUNDS upon THOUSANDS of DOLLARS, if they spend that money on getting here legally, granted they wont be citizens but more likely permanent residents.

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i wasn't gonna comment on this to save me the headache, i was gonna originally flame Dana but decided to leave him alone, .. but you...sorry man, but that is some of the most retarded and absurd shit i've ever heard. i could break your post down in make you look like a dumb ass.. but i'll leave it alone.. for now, depends on your reply.
fyi, i'm against illegal immigration, just the "facts" you state have been pulled out of someone's ass. who exactly? i don't know.

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Alright Einstien, you know it gets pretty annoying everytime you reply to a post you feel as if everyone is intellectually inferior too you, and you insert your asinine comment that how you can "break down ones post and make them look like a dumb ass", I think was your words. If you think that your the only one that goes to school, I got a reality check for you bro, School is not some secret society or something, its available to anyone and everyone at many levals. Next time you want to reply, think before you do, because there are always people who are better and smarter than you guy. You go to school, congratufuckinlations, next time you want reply to me, dont fuckin sound like a pretentious self-assertive jackass.

Now to "break down your post" If you refer to Navids post, you will see that he and his family did exactly what I had posted, right there is proof that if you do it legally it works. I know from personal expierience everything that you have to do and what happens from the point that you decide that you want to go and live in another country, up untill you become a citizen. So dont tell me that I dont know what Im talking about, I know exactly what Im talking about.
 

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Posted by 89 FAKE SNAKE (Member # 4531) on :
 
all i gotta say is they do jobs that ALOT of us wont do...i tihnk most of them are scared to try and do it the right way cuz if they get rejected there rite back in mexico..so they dnt do it and they keep workin and tryin to help there familys back home...i know its not really part of the subject but i bet we all have given homeless people money rite?..homeless are legal and they dnt do a damn thing..but here we got illegals actually workin and doin shit to make it better when they came across wit nothin and made something of it......jus my opinion
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jmir018:

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:
It doesnt cost shit (and you dont need a lawyer) if you do it the right way. If you apply for a visa or other immagration papers while still in the other country. Like 90% of illegals are mexican or south american, because they are connected to the U.S. by land, you dont see this problem with people from most of asia, middle east or europe. If they would follow the process that is laid out for them(illegals) then they would not be in this situation. For the people who say money is a problem for them, how do you think they get here, they pay smugglers or trafficers THOUSOUNDS upon THOUSANDS of DOLLARS, if they spend that money on getting here legally, granted they wont be citizens but more likely permanent residents.

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i wasn't gonna comment on this to save me the headache, i was gonna originally flame Dana but decided to leave him alone, .. but you...sorry man, but that is some of the most retarded and absurd shit i've ever heard. i could break your post down in make you look like a dumb ass.. but i'll leave it alone.. for now, depends on your reply.
fyi, i'm against illegal immigration, just the "facts" you state have been pulled out of someone's ass. who exactly? i don't know.

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Alright Einstien, you know it gets pretty annoying everytime you reply to a post you feel as if everyone is intellectually inferior too you, and you insert your asinine comment that how you can "break down ones post and make them look like a dumb ass", I think was your words. If you think that your the only one that goes to school, I got a reality check for you bro, School is not some secret society or something, its available to anyone and everyone at many levals. Next time you want to reply, think before you do, because there are always people who are better and smarter than you guy. You go to school, congratufuckinlations, next time you want reply to me, dont fuckin sound like a pretentious self-assertive jackass.

Now to "break down your post" If you refer to Navids post, you will see that he and his family did exactly what I had posted, right there is proof that if you do it legally it works. I know from personal expierience everything that you have to do and what happens from the point that you decide that you want to go and live in another country, up untill you become a citizen. So dont tell me that I dont know what Im talking about, I know exactly what Im talking about.

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:
It doesnt cost shit (and you dont need a lawyer) if you do it the right way. If you apply for a visa or other immagration papers while still in the other country.

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:

Like 90% of illegals are mexican or south american, because they are connected to the U.S. by land,

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:

For the people who say money is a problem for them, how do you think they get here, they pay smugglers or trafficers THOUSOUNDS upon THOUSANDS of DOLLARS, if they spend that money on getting here legally, granted they wont be citizens but more likely permanent residents.

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How could they spend that money getting here legally? Break it down for me. No one can just become a citizen without having resided in the US for 5 years(people that join the military are exempt), Last I heard.. You cannot apply for a residency either.

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Posted by UNTOUCHABLE (Member # 5889) on :
 
FUCK HIM AND HIS MOTHER GET THE FUCK OUT THIS COUNTRY. they do not do jobs that others wont. they do jobs for LESS THEN OTHER WILL.
 

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Posted by NavidR (Member # 3164) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jmir018:

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:

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Originally posted by Jmir018:

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:
It doesnt cost shit (and you dont need a lawyer) if you do it the right way. If you apply for a visa or other immagration papers while still in the other country. Like 90% of illegals are mexican or south american, because they are connected to the U.S. by land, you dont see this problem with people from most of asia, middle east or europe. If they would follow the process that is laid out for them(illegals) then they would not be in this situation. For the people who say money is a problem for them, how do you think they get here, they pay smugglers or trafficers THOUSOUNDS upon THOUSANDS of DOLLARS, if they spend that money on getting here legally, granted they wont be citizens but more likely permanent residents.

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i wasn't gonna comment on this to save me the headache, i was gonna originally flame Dana but decided to leave him alone, .. but you...sorry man, but that is some of the most retarded and absurd shit i've ever heard. i could break your post down in make you look like a dumb ass.. but i'll leave it alone.. for now, depends on your reply.
fyi, i'm against illegal immigration, just the "facts" you state have been pulled out of someone's ass. who exactly? i don't know.

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Alright Einstien, you know it gets pretty annoying everytime you reply to a post you feel as if everyone is intellectually inferior too you, and you insert your asinine comment that how you can "break down ones post and make them look like a dumb ass", I think was your words. If you think that your the only one that goes to school, I got a reality check for you bro, School is not some secret society or something, its available to anyone and everyone at many levals. Next time you want to reply, think before you do, because there are always people who are better and smarter than you guy. You go to school, congratufuckinlations, next time you want reply to me, dont fuckin sound like a pretentious self-assertive jackass.

Now to "break down your post" If you refer to Navids post, you will see that he and his family did exactly what I had posted, right there is proof that if you do it legally it works. I know from personal expierience everything that you have to do and what happens from the point that you decide that you want to go and live in another country, up untill you become a citizen. So dont tell me that I dont know what Im talking about, I know exactly what Im talking about.

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my post had nothing to do with pretentiousness, I meant breaking down your post cause it's full of false claims and unfounded beliefs. Stereotypes and generalizations are not norms. I’ll try to sound unpretentious for you.

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It doesnt cost shit (and you dont need a lawyer) if you do it the right way. If you apply for a visa or other immagration papers while still in the other country.

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Really, what is shit? If it doesn’t cost shit then people all over the world would be here legally and not risk their life pay thousands of dollars to get to this country.
You are right. You don’t need a lawyer, but it is not Free, it costs money. Last I heard, it’s 90 dollars to get your application started in peru. Just to get the process started, there are additional fees but most people never get to those because they are denied visas.

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Like 90% of illegals are mexican or south american, because they are connected to the U.S. by land,

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This is what I’m referring to. 90 percent? Where are you pulling this stat from? Show me.. proof to me that is not some number that you just came up with.

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:

For the people who say money is a problem for them, how do you think they get here, they pay smugglers or trafficers THOUSOUNDS upon THOUSANDS of DOLLARS, if they spend that money on getting here legally, granted they wont be citizens but more likely permanent residents.

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[QUOTE]The way it works is that from there own countries they can apply for a Green card, Trust me its not easy and takes a long time, but Its a process that millions of people have taken and it works. Once they are here for 5 years then they can apply for their citizen ship

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Originally posted by Jmir018:

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:

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Originally posted by Jmir018:

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:
It doesnt cost shit (and you dont need a lawyer) if you do it the right way. If you apply for a visa or other immagration papers while still in the other country. Like 90% of illegals are mexican or south american, because they are connected to the U.S. by land, you dont see this problem with people from most of asia, middle east or europe. If they would follow the process that is laid out for them(illegals) then they would not be in this situation. For the people who say money is a problem for them, how do you think they get here, they pay smugglers or trafficers THOUSOUNDS upon THOUSANDS of DOLLARS, if they spend that money on getting here legally, granted they wont be citizens but more likely permanent residents.

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i wasn't gonna comment on this to save me the headache, i was gonna originally flame Dana but decided to leave him alone, .. but you...sorry man, but that is some of the most retarded and absurd shit i've ever heard. i could break your post down in make you look like a dumb ass.. but i'll leave it alone.. for now, depends on your reply.
fyi, i'm against illegal immigration, just the "facts" you state have been pulled out of someone's ass. who exactly? i don't know.

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Alright Einstien, you know it gets pretty annoying everytime you reply to a post you feel as if everyone is intellectually inferior too you, and you insert your asinine comment that how you can "break down ones post and make them look like a dumb ass", I think was your words. If you think that your the only one that goes to school, I got a reality check for you bro, School is not some secret society or something, its available to anyone and everyone at many levals. Next time you want to reply, think before you do, because there are always people who are better and smarter than you guy. You go to school, congratufuckinlations, next time you want reply to me, dont fuckin sound like a pretentious self-assertive jackass.

Now to "break down your post" If you refer to Navids post, you will see that he and his family did exactly what I had posted, right there is proof that if you do it legally it works. I know from personal expierience everything that you have to do and what happens from the point that you decide that you want to go and live in another country, up untill you become a citizen. So dont tell me that I dont know what Im talking about, I know exactly what Im talking about.

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my post had nothing to do with pretentiousness, I meant breaking down your post cause it's full of false claims and unfounded beliefs. Stereotypes and generalizations are not norms. I’ll try to sound unpretentious for you.

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:
It doesnt cost shit (and you dont need a lawyer) if you do it the right way. If you apply for a visa or other immagration papers while still in the other country.

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Really, what is shit? If it doesn’t cost shit then people all over the world would be here legally and not risk their life pay thousands of dollars to get to this country.
You are right. You don’t need a lawyer, but it is not Free, it costs money. Last I heard, it’s 90 dollars to get your application started in peru. Just to get the process started, there are additional fees but most people never get to those because they are denied visas.

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:

Like 90% of illegals are mexican or south american, because they are connected to the U.S. by land,

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This is what I’m referring to. 90 percent? Where are you pulling this stat from? Show me.. proof to me that is not some number that you just came up with.

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Originally posted by 5.0Caliber:

For the people who say money is a problem for them, how do you think they get here, they pay smugglers or trafficers THOUSOUNDS upon THOUSANDS of DOLLARS, if they spend that money on getting here legally, granted they wont be citizens but more likely permanent residents.

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How could they spend that money getting here legally? Break it down for me. No one can just become a citizen without having resided in the US for 5 years(people that join the military are exempt), Last I heard.. You cannot apply for a residency either.

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Originally posted by UNTOUCHABLE:
FUCK HIM AND HIS MOTHER GET THE FUCK OUT THIS COUNTRY. they do not do jobs that others wont. they do jobs for LESS THEN OTHER WILL.

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u going to clean toilets and pick strawberries???? u goin to work the midnite shift at the drive through at jack and a crack for $7.50 an hour w/ NO benefits????
 

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Posted by UNTOUCHABLE (Member # 5889) on :
 
oh not you again. "yay the people have spoken" if you did not read my quote "they do not do jobs that others wont, they do it for less then others will."
 

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Posted by sf89lx (Member # 3965) on :
 

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Originally posted by UNTOUCHABLE:
oh not you again. "yay the people have spoken" if you did not read my quote "they do not do jobs that others wont, they do it for less then others will."

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so what if they do it for less???? wouldnt that actually help the economy and drive costs down? im not an economy major but if I was an employer and I could hire dirt cheap work i would,, not saying that its right,, but hey
 

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Posted by sf89lx (Member # 3965) on :
 

 

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Posted by 1968_Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 

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Originally posted by UNTOUCHABLE:
FUCK HIM AND HIS MOTHER GET THE FUCK OUT THIS COUNTRY. they do not do jobs that others wont. they do jobs for LESS THEN OTHER WILL.

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Thats true. Theres not many Spanish people here in GV and all the gardeners and cleaning crews are all white. All the jobs that people say illegals do because no one else wants to do gets done here in GV by white people. I am sure they get paid way more than what illegals would get paid but the jobs they do people would do if they were avilable.
 

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Posted by 1968_Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 

OWNED
 

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Posted by 5.0Caliber (Member # 5865) on :
 
Illegals, regardless of where they are from are exactly that, ILLEGAL!!! I hope that everyone here understands this concept. They have broken a law, what happens to a person when they break a law, they are punished or reprimanded. Laws and rules are inplace to keep man in check, when a society starts to waver in the enforcement of these laws, they only invite chaos. The majority of the people who illegally traverse the border are latino, and of those latinos, a majority of them are specifically mexican, can we all agree on this. They think they have a divine right to be in this state and in this country just because it was part of mexico 156 years ago and it was only a territory and the people who lived there didnt want be part of mexico, but an independent republic. Illegals have no respect for the law of the land, to them the constitution and bill of rights have no meaning, its worthless. Why do we have the laws in place, to protect us, so we can filter out all the criminals during this long, horrible, expensive, unfair, inhuman process that some board members fell it is. People want to feel sorry for them, I dont, I would rather hold the goverment of mexico responsible, one of the most corrupt goverments in the world. They dont want to help thier citizens, so they dump them on americas front yard, they encourage mexicans to cross illegally and then vicente fox lobbys to get them to become citizens. People who say "would you clean toilets for $7.00/hr, it wouldnt be that low if there wasnt a work force willing to take it. Maybe prices would go up, thats fine by me. Fuck it im tired of this shit, im going to sleep.

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
does it make you bleeding heart Democrats feel better to call me a moron? If it does go right ahead I take it as a complement from people like yourself who are so blind to the real world all the can see is the end of there nose. oops I am sorry you are one of the bay area gay marrige folks .must be green peace party. I gave you a couple of real world examples of SS issues brought on buy illegals not to mention the problem with our medical insurance brought on buy them, Listen up idiot in San Diego the illegals get all there medical needs taken care of in the emergancy rooms at the hospitals. Because they can not be turned away buy law. Then they skip on the bill it has actualy led to closers of emergancy rooms and drives the cost up to every one else. This is another example of a realworld problem brought on buy illegals. If they want to come in I am all for it but do it the correct way.

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Posted by onesicklx (Member # 285) on :
 

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:
Is that all you have to say? You have nothing intelligent to say? I like to get other peoples opinions thats why i post stuff like this but it seems like all the people for illegals being here only talk shit and have nothing intelligent to say ever and when they try and show proof of something its always something that MIGHT happen in the next 4 years.

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intelligent? all you did was copied and pasted some news story, i could go and do the same...im at work right now and work 2 jobs im sorry i cant get intellegent with you...

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There you go again, no opinion at all nothing intelligent so say just trying to get pity from me for working 2 jobs.

Looks like your working pretty hard too posting on cafords.

I'd also like to add that i work a job, i am a volunteer firefighter AND i am going to college and now its time to go to school so i will be looking for your intelligent opinion tonight.

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who made the rules that everything posted had to be intellegent ....the only reason i said i had a second job was because i had a hard time making long post about a subject i feel is total bullshit, you think this lady is a criminal because she illegaly used a fake social security, well i belive she is not a criminal...yes, i do feel that illegals should follow the laws, and go tru the process of becoming a resident legally...the lady had to used a fake social in order to make a living...

have you ever been on welfare?

well guess what my family has,(and no im not asking for your pitty ) my dad got laid off from his job and his unemployment benefits finaly ran out, so whe had no choice but to file for welfare...this whole process of getting on welfare suck, the whole time they made it seem like we were trying to scam the system, the amount of paper work that needed to filled out was ridiculas...this took place in the early 90s, so the point im trying to make is that i believe welfare is getting harder to get on,(thats good) yes people still cheat the system but i believe welfare reform is getting better...

i believe this lady should pay a fine, be kick out of the US for 2 years and then be allowed to go tru the process of becoming a legal resident...but you saying that this lady is a criminal is rediculas, thats the part of your post the pissed me off, thats why i feel i had to voice my un intellegent opinion ...

im not sure why you posted what your job was and that you went to school but im happy for you....
 

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Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :
 

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does it make you bleeding heart Democrats feel better to call me a moron? If it does go right ahead I take it as a complement from people like yourself who are so blind to the real world all the can see is the end of there nose. oops I am sorry you are one of the bay area gay marrige folks .must be green peace party. I gave you a couple of real world examples of SS issues brought on buy illegals not to mention the problem with our medical insurance brought on buy them, Listen up idiot in San Diego the illegals get all there medical needs taken care of in the emergancy rooms at the hospitals. Because they can not be turned away buy law. Then they skip on the bill it has actualy led to closers of emergancy rooms and drives the cost up to every one else. This is another example of a realworld problem brought on buy illegals. If they want to come in I am all for it but do it the correct way.

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Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
does it make you bleeding heart Democrats feel better to call me a moron? If it does go right ahead I take it as a complement from people like yourself who are so blind to the real world all the can see is the end of there nose. oops I am sorry you are one of the bay area gay marrige folks .must be green peace party. I gave you a couple of real world examples of SS issues brought on buy illegals not to mention the problem with our medical insurance brought on buy them, Listen up idiot in San Diego the illegals get all there medical needs taken care of in the emergancy rooms at the hospitals. Because they can not be turned away buy law. Then they skip on the bill it has actualy led to closers of emergancy rooms and drives the cost up to every one else. This is another example of a realworld problem brought on buy illegals. If they want to come in I am all for it but do it the correct way.

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check this out http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/parkland.asp my sis in law sent me this the other day.. they live in Texas. Have a great day.

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did you even bother to read the entire article,,
Administrators from both hospital systems indicated that some of the common assumptions made about immigrants who seek medical care at those facilities (and at other Texas hospitals) are misconceptions:
While Texas border hospitals often get "anchor babies" — children of Mexican women who dart across the border to give birth to an American citizen — most illegal immigrants who go to major hospitals in Texas can show that they have been living here for years, said Ernie Schmid, policy director at the Texas Hospital Association. Many immigrant families have mixed status; often a patient with no documents has a spouse or children who are legal.

Most immigrant patients have jobs and pay taxes, through paycheck deductions or property taxes included in their rent, administrators at the Dallas and Fort Worth hospitals said. At both institutions, they have a better record of paying their bills than low-income Americans do, the administrators said.

The largest group of illegal immigrant patients is pregnant women, hospital figures show. Contrary to popular belief here, their care is not paid for through local taxes. Under a 2002 amendment to federal regulations, the births are covered by federal taxes through Medicaid because their children automatically become American citizens.

These cases are not affected by new regulations that went into effect on July 1 [2006] requiring Medicaid patients to provide proof of citizenship, Texas health officials said. They said they believed that only small numbers of illegal immigrants had received other Medicaid benefits.
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
yes I read the whole article and did not just try to post parts that didn't make it seem so bad. I read the part about how federal tax dollars paid millions of dollars for illegal births. And how nice it was for the Hospital to make a profit off of this so what do think the orignal intent was for the millions of medicade dollars? try taking care of US citezens down on there luck that needed help. Plus it doesn't touch on the millions of dollars in emergancy room money spent on illegals that are not there for birth not covered buy our tax dollars.... oh BTW when they are talking about the people who pay taxes and pay ther bills those are the people who came into this country legaly. "Legal Immigrants" I have no problem with them. That is actualy one of my points thank you.

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 

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Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
yes I read the whole article and did not just try to post parts that didn't make it seem so bad. I read the part about how federal tax dollars paid millions of dollars for illegal births. And how nice it was for the Hospital to make a profit off of this so what do think the orignal intent was for the millions of medicade dollars? try taking care of US citezens down on there luck that needed help. Plus it doesn't touch on the millions of dollars in emergancy room money spent on illegals that are not there for birth not covered buy our tax dollars.

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LOL don't just quote me I only have a few posts on this because ,you are right. They just like calling me names because they know I have valid ponts and it pisses them off. Especialy the one just going to or in college right now that actualy thinks he knows somthing about the world.

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no we're just pissed because you pull stats and evidence out of your culo, and because you're an ignorant bastard...referring back to your snopes article,, that was originally sent in by email,, if you read the articles that they refer to at the end you;ll see the bigger picture.. and how do u know how even if that survey conducted at that hospital was even valid or well made?? i could argue with you this all day,, too bad i have work to do
 

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Posted by e89notch (Member # 6610) on :
 
VIVA MEXICO!!!!...LOL..WOW.I CAN TELL THIS IS A HEATED SITUATION..JUST ONE WORD OF ADVICE..MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS..EVERYONE OTHER THEN INDIANS ARE ILLEGAL IN AMERICA.
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
LOL.. ignorant the federal Tax dollars spent on illegal immigrant births with one hospital in texas was over 30 million. Thats just one hospital in just one town in the US The figures were factual posted in a news paper article on the subject. You have given no figures of proof in any of your dribble. You can call names to somebody obviously kicking your ass on this subject...makes you look very growed up little budy
 

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Posted by DLo (Member # 6133) on :
 
While I AM partially torn on the entire immigration issue, have any of you read this? So far, that's the best way I've seen it put.

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Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.

Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me.

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Originally posted by DLo:
While I AM partially torn on the entire immigration issue, have any of you read this? So far, that's the best way I've seen it put.

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Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.

Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me.

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yeah i read that on Svtperformance. it's a great way of seeing things. I’m not saying.. shit, i don't think anyone is saying illegal immigration should be condoned, supported and encouraged.. we are just saying, well.. i don't know about "we", I'm just saying that some people out there pull shit out of their asses to validate their other valid points.

btw..2stangs69-91, you got pm..

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Posted by 87#184saleen (Member # 6276) on :
 

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Originally posted by DLo:
While I AM partially torn on the entire immigration issue, have any of you read this? So far, that's the best way I've seen it put.

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Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.

Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me.

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Originally posted by e89notch:
VIVA MEXICO!!!!...LOL..WOW.I CAN TELL THIS IS A HEATED SITUATION..JUST ONE WORD OF ADVICE..MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS..EVERYONE OTHER THEN INDIANS ARE ILLEGAL IN AMERICA.

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Originally posted by DLo:
While I AM partially torn on the entire immigration issue, have any of you read this? So far, that's the best way I've seen it put.

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Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.

Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me.

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Posted by sf89lx (Member # 3965) on :
 

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:

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Originally posted by DLo:
While I AM partially torn on the entire immigration issue, have any of you read this? So far, that's the best way I've seen it put.

quote:

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Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.

Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me.

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the mere fact that the whole things starts off with "i break into your house" of course anyone is going to be pissed if you break into their house.. you cannot compare breaking into a house to coming into the U.S.. that is
 

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Posted by 5.0-srt-4 (Member # 5864) on :
 

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Originally posted by sf89lx:

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:

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Originally posted by DLo:
While I AM partially torn on the entire immigration issue, have any of you read this? So far, that's the best way I've seen it put.

quote:

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Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.

Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me.

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the mere fact that the whole things starts off with "i break into your house" of course anyone is going to be pissed if you break into their house.. you cannot compare breaking into a house to coming into the U.S.. that is

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Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:

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Originally posted by sf89lx:

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:

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Originally posted by DLo:
While I AM partially torn on the entire immigration issue, have any of you read this? So far, that's the best way I've seen it put.

quote:

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Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.

Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me.

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the mere fact that the whole things starts off with "i break into your house" of course anyone is going to be pissed if you break into their house.. you cannot compare breaking into a house to coming into the U.S.. that is

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yes you can because it is OUR HOUSE...not meaning just whites meaning legal whites,blacks,lations,indians,asians ect...key word LEGAL

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Originally posted by cheezy1:

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Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:

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Originally posted by sf89lx:

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:

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Originally posted by DLo:
While I AM partially torn on the entire immigration issue, have any of you read this? So far, that's the best way I've seen it put.

quote:

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Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.

Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me.

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the mere fact that the whole things starts off with "i break into your house" of course anyone is going to be pissed if you break into their house.. you cannot compare breaking into a house to coming into the U.S.. that is

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yes you can because it is OUR HOUSE...not meaning just whites meaning legal whites,blacks,lations,indians,asians ect...key word LEGAL

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ur an idiot.. our house,, who the fuck made you ruler of this "house"

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What exactly do you hope to accomplish by berating other people? It's funny how liberals (of which you clearly are) claim to be open-minded and understanding, at least until someone presents an opinion that differs from their own.

You talk about how illegals do alot of work that many people would refuse to do. Maybe there's a certain amount of truth to that. Maybe we pay inexpensive prices for fruits and vegetables, but our tax dollars subsidize public assistance programs and medical care for those who are not citizens. So in the end, the taxpayer isn't really paying 39 cents for a watermelon.

And why is the breaking-and-entering comparison not analogous? It doesn't really seem to have any logical flaws. You're not going to win any arguments by throwing up the B.S. flag. If you want to call people names, find a playground.
 

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Posted by 5.0-srt-4 (Member # 5864) on :
 

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Originally posted by graylx:

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Originally posted by cheezy1:

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Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:

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Originally posted by sf89lx:

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Originally posted by 1968_Fastback:

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Originally posted by DLo:
While I AM partially torn on the entire immigration issue, have any of you read this? So far, that's the best way I've seen it put.

quote:

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Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.

Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me.

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the mere fact that the whole things starts off with "i break into your house" of course anyone is going to be pissed if you break into their house.. you cannot compare breaking into a house to coming into the U.S.. that is

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yes you can because it is OUR HOUSE...not meaning just whites meaning legal whites,blacks,lations,indians,asians ect...key word LEGAL

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ur an idiot.. our house,, who the fuck made you ruler of this "house"

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What exactly do you hope to accomplish by berating other people? It's funny how liberals (of which you clearly are) claim to be open-minded and understanding, at least until someone presents an opinion that differs from their own.

You talk about how illegals do alot of work that many people would refuse to do. Maybe there's a certain amount of truth to that. Maybe we pay inexpensive prices for fruits and vegetables, but our tax dollars subsidize public assistance programs and medical care for those who are not citizens. So in the end, the taxpayer isn't really paying 39 cents for a watermelon.

And why is the breaking-and-entering comparison not analogous? It doesn't really seem to have any logical flaws. You're not going to win any arguments by throwing up the B.S. flag. If you want to call people names, find a playground.

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very good points
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
our house meaning "Americans" I read that and thought it was pretty good.
 

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Posted by Chris C. (Member # 1949) on :
 
Off topic but one of the things that piss me off is when im calling place and get the recording... "please press 1 to hear instructions in english"
"Para oír que las instrucciones en español aprietan por favor dos."
I shouldnt have to press F***ing 1 to hear shit in english.
 

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Posted by 87#184saleen (Member # 6276) on :
 
I WISH I WAS YOUR GUYS SEVER ON MCDONALDS SO I COULD LAY A FAT ASS PEACE OF SHIT ON YOUR BIGMAC LOL

[ November 17, 2006, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: 87#184saleen ]
 

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