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1RaW03SvT
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I HAVE A 1990 lx hatch 5 speed 5.0.. i bought the car a lil while ago and been working on it ever since.. im tired of it!!
i am trying to trouble shoot a issue with the car getting hot.. long story short when i bought the car drove it around for a lil while then shit started failing so i did the following... put a new 3 row alluminum radiator in it with 2 12" electric fans,new high volume water pump,160 t stat,new coolant temp censor, also im running 15% antifreeze 1 bottle of purple ice and rest distilled water!! now...... the car is getting hot way hotter than it ever has..car jumps to 180 real fast and kinda stays there. then i got on it a lil bit and the cars temp went threw the roof so i shut it off.. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
when i let it idle in the garage it gets to like 200 and kinda stays there.. makes me nervous and not even want to drive the car!! now i have pretty much changed everything that has to do with the coolant system.. my buddy came over and said check the oil.. we did that and to me the oil seems to run down the dip stick more than normal being that im runninmg 20/50 with lucus oil stabelizer!! also looks thin to me but im not 110% when it comes to motors!!.... i have not drained the oil out yet but wanted to get others opinions before i start crying cause i have a blown head gasket!! i want this car running cool as fuck.. realiable and be able to drive it any were!! mind you the car is ALL STOCK!!
plz give me info and help me try and get this car dialed in.. it would be greatly appreciated ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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Might be a dumb question but is the thermostat in backwards?I had a real bad experience with this one time.Also.....is it the right water pump,as in could it possibly be a forward rotation pump instead of the correct reverse rotation?
[ June 23, 2011, 01:00 AM: Message edited by: 50DADDY ]
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Might be a dumb question but is the thermostat in backwards?I had a real bad experience with this one time.Also.....is it the right water pump,as in could it possibly be a forward rotation pump instead of the correct reverse rotation?
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you know to be totally honest bro im pretty sure the t stat is in correctly also when i ordered the water pump from summit i asked told them i wanted the factory replacement water pump but high volume!!
the summit racing water pump partr# is
GMB-125-1560P
also the big fat part that has the spring showing on the t stat goes torwards the front the car in the 90 degree neck correct!!
plz guys im one of those cats that just kinda over thinks into things and fraks out when it come to shit like this lol ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
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the spring on the thermostat faces the motor, turn it around
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the spring on the thermostat faces the motor, turn it around
Lmfaoooo dayum bro now it wont overheat hahaha good shit tho sounds like somethin id do n then tear the whole motor apart tryin to fix it lol
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160 t stat is way too cold. Stock engine will stay in open loop. Plus a stock t stat will slow the coolant flow to allow enough time in the radiator to cool.
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ima have to triple check but i put the t stat in like 2 weeks ago ill check that when im off work tomarrow!! omg if it it then ima feel stupid!! also need other opinions on that water pump i bought?? what way is the water pump soppost to spin factory.. ima look into the pump i bought.. hopefully they did not send me the wrong one!!
i hope this is a quick fix!!!
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+1 on the 160* thermostat, fuel injected cars should not run a thermostat lower than 180* as it will stay in open loop. Not good, will cause it to run rich and not read several sensors (stays in a fixed program)
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If it ends up not being the t-stat,id take a look at the water pump.Seems kinda odd that the part is listed as working for a 255-302.The inlet/outlet ports on a 255 or earlier 302 water pump are at different angles and would not line up correctly with a 5.0 timing cover.But check the t-stat first.And +1 on dumping the 160 t-stat,its gonna be open constantly,go with the 180.
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ok ima check the water pump when im home from work..i know its stupid to say but. 180 t stat will make the car run hotter correct.. i totally understand all the info im being given.. hopefully this water pump is not a wrong part!! ill keep it updated when im off today!
god i need this car working correctly!!
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Running a 160 t-stat will make it run warmer believe it or not.A 160 will be open all the time and will not give the radiator a chance to cool the water down.So initially it will run cooler but as it runs for a while it will not be able to sit in the radiator long enough to cool down and will get warmer and warmer.Plus your car will run rich.So change the thermostat first and make sure its in the right way.The t-stat should have an arrow on it indicating which way coolant should flow,on a 5.0 coolant flows out the t-stat housing to the radiator.Run/drive the car for a while and see if this fixes your issue.If not then investigate the water pump.What youll have to do is look at the shape of the inlet/outlet holes on the pump and make sure they match up to the corresponding holes on the timing cover.
You can see on this picture how the inlet/outlets are opposite on these two covers.Thats what youll be looking for.
Just make sure to eliminate all other possibilities(t-stat,leaks)before tearing your pump off for nothing.
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i have been runnin 160 t-stats for years 5+ & worked on LOTS of 50z & always used 160s & never had a problem!!
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Dude that 5.0 is not a 5.0 no way bro. It has to have a diff motor.
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for sure check 2 make sure u got the t stat in rite, but do u smell coolant @ all when u drive it?
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Dude that 5.0 is not a 5.0 no way bro. It has to have a diff motor.
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t stat was in correctly just like i thought... i went and got a factory replacement 195 t stat should i put it in and see what it does...?? if so ima put it in and see if anything changes... if not ima drain the oil and see if there is coolant in it!!!!!
IF ITS A BLOWN HEAD GASKET IMA COME UNGLUED!!! also going to give a freindly phone call to the guy i bought it from...
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Running a 160 t-stat will make it run warmer believe it or not.A 160 will be open all the time and will not give the radiator a chance to cool the water down.So initially it will run cooler but as it runs for a while it will not be able to sit in the radiator long enough to cool down and will get warmer and warmer.Plus your car will run rich.So change the thermostat first and make sure its in the right way.The t-stat should have an arrow on it indicating which way coolant should flow,on a 5.0 coolant flows out the t-stat housing to the radiator.Run/drive the car for a while and see if this fixes your issue.If not then investigate the water pump.What youll have to do is look at the shape of the inlet/outlet holes on the pump and make sure they match up to the corresponding holes on the timing cover.
You can see on this picture how the inlet/outlets are opposite on these two covers.Thats what youll be looking for.
Just make sure to eliminate all other possibilities(t-stat,leaks)before tearing your pump off for nothing.
im installing a factory replacment 195 t stat then seeing if it changes at all. .. also my timing cover is identical to the one on the right!!!
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Really?The one on the right is a for a carburated engine with a forward rotation water pump.
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ive got a new edelbrock reverse rotation one.
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Really?The one on the right is a for a carburated engine with a forward rotation water pump.
to be honest bro im so frustrated with this car im not thinking straight.. when i bought the car the guy said it had a new timing cover/chain from what i remember!! but it looks like it.. to be totally honest bro i took the old water pump off cleaned it all up.. and when i got the new one from summit i slapped it on.. thinking i had all the right shit!!!
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as a upsetting update i put a factory replacment T STAT in the car ran it and the heat went threw the roof and stayed there!!
the upper radiator hose is hot and the lower hose is way cooler than the upper!! so i shut it off yelled FUCK real loud punched the wall and scared my chick!!!!
then i jacked the pile of shit car up and drained the oil to check if its real watery and it looks REAL thin to me!! guys im so threw the roof with this car and by next week if my bullshit problems are not fanned out im SELLING IT!!!!!
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im also going to check the timming cover i have in my garage that is off my 92 5.0 and see if it rings a bell and or matches one of the ones you posted!
also i really appreciate all the help and info im getting from you members thanks for helping me try and figure this BULLSHIT OUT!!
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Was it overheating from day 1?Im asuming your belt is routed right too.
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as a upsetting update i put a factory replacment T STAT in the car ran it and the heat went threw the roof and stayed there!!
the upper radiator hose is hot and the lower hose is way cooler than the upper!! so i shut it off yelled FUCK real loud punched the wall and scared my chick!!!!
then i jacked the pile of shit car up and drained the oil to check if its real watery and it looks REAL thin to me!! guys im so threw the roof with this car and by next week if my bullshit problems are not fanned out im SELLING IT!!!!!
you have a air pocket that needs to be bleed. an are your fans pulling air or pushing the air the easyest way to find out if the fans are wired right take a peace of papper in front of the fan a see witch way it blows
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Was it overheating from day 1?
no it was not it acually ran at like 150 at all times weired to say!!
before my clutch fan went out t stat got stuck and radiator was old clogged and junk!!
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