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Topic: Your thoughts on lighter flywheels
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Glenn
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Thinking about getting a Spec Billet steel 19lb flywheel for my car when it starts to get put back together along with a stage 1 spec clutch. I should be seeing 300rwhp, do you think it is worth the $225? Thanks. [ July 02, 2003, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: Glenn ]
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Posts: 2009 | From: Stationed on a Pacific Island, Guam | Registered: Oct 2001
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Stimson
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Cliff notes:
Lighter flywheel = good for road racing
Lighter flywheel = bad for drag racing (on slicks and/or powershifting)
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Jeff S
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Cliff notes:
Sawson rarely knows what he's talking about.
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Stimson
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Cliff Notes:
Jeff S & friends have nothing better to do but follow me around on everyone of my posts looking for small details to nit pick on
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JoeT
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I have a '94 cobra flywheel, about 2.5#'s lighter than stock. Heavier makes a better daily driver, lighter almost always makes it faster in a straight line or road race. (better net HP #'s)
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Glenn
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Member # 520
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Doesn't it also help rev faster?
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91 5.0
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Yeah.
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AaronC
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I would just use your stocker. Save the money! I weighed my stock flywheel and it's 7lbs heavier than my Hays aluminum flywheel. StreetpowerEFI331 on corral dynoed stock vs. aluminum and #'s were near identical. Again save the $$$$$, that's my opinion.....
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Posts: 776 | From: woodland | Registered: Dec 2000
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Stimson
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I'm sure Ed Hohenberg won't mind me sharing this:
quote: ... A few important things come into play going down the track that you can't easily get from the dyno data: shift lag, inertia, and acceleration. For example, you spend much less time in 1st gear (you accelerate through 1st quickly), so you can tolerate being out of the torque band in first gear without serious e.t. losses. The other issue is how much energy (flywheel) is being transmitted to the next gear on the shifts. Back to our first gear example, if you intentionally delay the 1-2 shift, you can hit 2nd gear with more stored energy, and probably not suffer on the e.t. significantly by being beyond the torque in 1st gear for a fraction of a second. But if you're slow to shift, you'll lose that energy.
quote: I would NOT recommend an Aluminium flywheel with a near stock engine, in a near stock weight Mustang. The car will not only give up significant launch potential, but it will also lose energy on the shifts.
Logically, you might expect the MPH to go up with the Aluminium wheel (less rotating inertia) even if the ET suffers from a softer launch, but my testing showed the Aluminium wheel to give up BOTH ET and MPH. This clearly showed how the steel wheel holds RPM through the powershifts significantly better, in addition to the harder launch.
And just FYI, with around 290 rwhp, my car 60 foots in the low 1.5's, with a steel flywheel.
I tried to give you guys cliff notes
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Primer GR40
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Yeah, but he is just talking about low HP cars, which most drag racers use. So on a high HP car, would it be the same?
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Jeff S
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Or you could look in the bellhousing of all the NMRA manual transmission cars and see what they're using... ALUMINUM!
Those guys probably don't know as much as Sawson though since they are brainwashed and use crazy things like "custom" cams. [ July 02, 2003, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: Jeff S ]
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Stimson
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Blown GR40 Mystic & Jeff S Its amazing what you guys have leared watching street races and talking "tech" about cars in parking lots every saturday night. Should I re-post my last post again, or can I trust you two to scroll up and read the 290 rwhp part for yourself?
Last time I checked, NMRA cars have next to nothing in common with Glenn's car or 3,004 other CaliforniaFords.com member's cars
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Jeff S
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quote: Originally posted by st5150: Lighter flywheel = bad for drag racing (on slicks and/or powershifting)
I think that has everything to do with NMRA cars which drag race and powershift.
Also I seriously doubt Glenns car is "near stock" with 300rwhp. [ July 02, 2003, 03:04 PM: Message edited by: Jeff S ]
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Primer GR40
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quote: Originally posted by st5150: Blown GR40 Mystic & Jeff S Its amazing what you guys have leared watching street races and talking "tech" about cars in parking lots every saturday night. Should I re-post my last post again, or can I trust you two to scroll up and read the 290 rwhp part for yourself?
Last time I checked, NMRA cars have next to nothing in common with Glenn's car or 3,004 other CaliforniaFords.com member's cars
Reread my post. I agreed, but said that is for low HP cars. What about the 100 or so on here that are making 400rwhp+??? Thats what I was asking.
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aslowdodge
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I am not an expert, but my thoughts are if you have a lower powered car, the flywheel inertia from the heavier one is good for a quicker launch. Lower power probably won't break traction on slicks anyways. If you have a lot of power and abundance of torque, then loosing inertia may not be a big deal as you may have enough inertia to break traction with both. At that point I would think there is nothing to gain on the launch, but once underway the quicker reving would help. Does that make any sense?
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Posts: 641 | From: pleasanton | Registered: Feb 2002
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Fast472Mach1
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Ive heard that they arent useful on the street because they wont carry the rpm's as long. They go up fast but also come down really fast in rpm's.
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Posts: 639 | From: Laguna West | Registered: Mar 2003
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Primer GR40
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Well I thought that billet steel was good for drag racing, and aluminum was for road racing. Glenn was asking about billet, so I don't know what the hell you are talking about aluminum ones for Sawson. Oh, that's right, you were just qouting another person.
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