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boosted89Saleen
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Well, after my frustrations with the custom cam guys, I decided to look into something off the shelf:D It's a comp cam 224/232, .555in/.565ex, 112 LSA. Will be going in a 347, AFR 185's with a systemax intake, 3.55 gears, 5-speed. Has anyone had any experience running this cam? What about smogging? I have that page saved where they dynoed 5-6 cams including this one, just trying to get a little more info in it:) Would it really be worth the extra money to go custom? Both HP and $ wise?
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1989 Saleen, 347, some mods
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JoeT
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That sounds like a comp cam 274HR. You basically have zero chance of a legit smog with it. It's a mean cam, I ran it on an N/A 302 and I have no idea how good it was (long story) but it should have been a screamer.
Anyways, I think it is a tad small for a 347, just my humble opinion, and has too much overlap for smog purposes.
Also from the dyno pages I've seen it's an excellent blower cam though.
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93PONY
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That cam has 4 degrees of overlap @.050 lift. Rule of thumb is 0 to 1 degree max & it'll squeek by the smog Nazi's.
That being said, I think the exhaust it overly bias for AFR185's....unless you plan on runnin stock manifolds & H-pipe.
& Yes, for the extra ~$50 it's WELL worth it to go custom. Comp charges $259 + shipping for an off-shelf or custom. Custom grinds cost $325 & under shipped to your door.
I don't know why you're having such trouble with the grinders out there..... I just placed an order with Ed Curtis yesterday.
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boosted89Saleen
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I was able to get ahold of Brian at hitech, so we are gonna get something worked out. He suggested I go with the AFR 205's though, guess we will see:D
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1989 Saleen, 347, some mods
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93PONY
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Originally posted by boosted89Saleen:
I was able to get ahold of Brian at hitech, so we are gonna get something worked out. He suggested I go with the AFR 205's though, guess we will see:D
No smog with those!
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FasterDamnit
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
I just placed an order with Ed Curtis yesterday.
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I'm speechless...
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boosted89Saleen
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lol, this place is buggin out today
[ January 21, 2003, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: boosted89Saleen ]
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boosted89Saleen
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I'm just bored, can't you guys tell?
[ January 21, 2003, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: boosted89Saleen ]
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boosted89Saleen
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Man, triple post! ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
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93PONY
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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
I just placed an order with Ed Curtis yesterday.
I'm speechless...
Yep....I'm gonna let the Man do it this time.
My cam was too small & to get the stock to peak were I want it to, it still won't make the peak HP I want.
I'll probably keep this cam around for someone looking for a cam for their tow vehicle. Installed straight up, the low-end would be increadible....Peak HP would be ~5100rpm.
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Fake the smog ports on the back of the heads. Just rig the lines back there. No smog guy will ever bend over that far or wiggle it to see if its securely mounted or actually connected. Visual inspections are BS, you can fake it all. CARB numbers, lines that really don't connected to anything. Things that are hooked up but not functional, its all good and part of the game.
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JoeT
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Originally posted by st5150:
Fake the smog ports on the back of the heads. Just rig the lines back there. No smog guy will ever bend over that far or wiggle it to see if its securely mounted or actually connected. Visual inspections are BS, you can fake it all. CARB numbers, lines that really don't connected to anything. Things that are hooked up but not functional, its all good and part of the game.
good post, wrong thread? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Stimson
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No, its the right thread. The AFR 205's don't have the air ports in the back of the heads much like TFS high ports.
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FasterDamnit
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Joe, put the lighter down and step away from the bong....
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JoeT
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If you have AFR 205's, they're also spec'd for a solid roller cam.
Who gives a crap about smog at that point? ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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boosted89Saleen
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Originally posted by shade-tree:
If you have AFR 205's, they're also spec'd for a solid roller cam.
Who gives a crap about smog at that point?
I dont have them yet, but that was my plan to go with the 185 till I talked with Brian.
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thats the cam im running in my 342 and it really has impressed me with how tame it is. you can barely even hear it, yet it gets it on quite well. works for me.
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93PONY
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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
Joe, put the lighter down and step away from the bong....
No, damnit! Pass it this way. Don't F'up the rotation.
The XE274HR is an excellent cam & will pull hard in a 347....but Brian Ebert can do MUCH better! & it will never pass smog.
I'd say just get everything you can from him. (heads, valvetrain, block, etc) He'll put it together right & you WILL be a very happy man. Run circles around your old boosted motor. Just make sure he knows that you want to pass smog. It's gonna limit things to a respectable level. He'll probably get you in the upper teens (MPH wise) in the 1/4 & pass smog. If smog wasn't a concern, it sounds like he wanted to get you well over 400RWHP. (WELL over)
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The XE274HR is an excellent cam & will pull hard in a 347....but Brian Ebert can do MUCH better! & it will never pass smog.
I'd say just get everything you can from him. (heads, valvetrain, block, etc) He'll put it together right & you WILL be a very happy man. Run circles around your old boosted motor. Just make sure he knows that you want to pass smog. It's gonna limit things to a respectable level. He'll probably get you in the upper teens (MPH wise) in the 1/4 & pass smog. If smog wasn't a concern, it sounds like he wanted to get you well over 400RWHP. (WELL over)[/QB]
I probably would have gone with him for everything, but I already have the shortblock coming from KC. I bought it unassembled and will be doing all the fun stuff myself ![[dance]](graemlins/dance.gif) Yah, the smog issue what what we talked about quite a bit. That and the whole shortie issue. I might just end up going a longtube setup and switch to shorties come smog time. 375-400RWHP is what I am aiming for
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
I don't know why you're having such trouble with the grinders out there..... I just placed an order with Ed Curtis yesterday.
A local FTI cam'd car at last ![[burnout]](graemlins/burnout.gif)
Actually, I'm gettinv vibes that TheBrain has gone with FTI for the whole top half of his 331
As for SMOG stuff..... remember, come summer time, they won't test emissions at idle anymore. Just 15mph and 20 mph on the dyno. Low 2000 RPM's for a 3.73 geared car. So picking a "SMOG cam" based on how it will idle will be useless.
[ January 21, 2003, 08:11 PM: Message edited by: st5150 ]
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Shade-tree and 5150 i have turned BOTH of you in to the Bar (smog) enforcement officer.
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JoeT
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Originally posted by jmcclesk:
Shade-tree and 5150 i have turned BOTH of you in to the Bar (smog) enforcement officer.
LMAO, are they gonna pull it out of the garage ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Originally posted by jmcclesk:
Shade-tree and 5150 i have turned BOTH of you in to the Bar (smog) enforcement officer.
It won't matter, I'm already going to a test-only station for the rest of my life.... even though I always pass
ps- Look what I got over the weekend... my universal CARB kit. Its garunteed to make any automotive part CARB aproved
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=35121
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Haha stamping your own carb and eo numbers nice.
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boosted89Saleen
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You guys think a Track Heat intake would match my combo good? I was gonna go Holley, but just couldn't find one without forking over almost 6 bills for a new one. I think I will stick with the 185's also, 205's start out at $1700!
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