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Topic: HELP! Car won't brake after 5 lug swap
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Fast92lxcoupe
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Hey guys. I did a 5 lug swap early this year and my car has just been sitting in the driveway because it doesn't stop. I did a 95 GT front set up and an SN95 rear end. I also out in a proportioning valve on the passenger side (under the hood by the firewall). However, I didn't change my booster or master cylinder. Any idea what my problem may be? Is it my master or booster?
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93 LX Hatch W/Black Int 5 Speed(R.I.P)
92 LX Coupe W/Black Int 5 Speed (sold)
88 LX Hatch 40K miles
68 Chevelle LS1
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Posts: 1027 | From: Hayward | Registered: Feb 2008
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5.0 LsX
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put the 94-95 master on, problem solved
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91' Notch
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5.0 LsX
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o, it will require some modifications of the brake lines where the oem prop valve is
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91' Notch
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S351-R
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Originally posted by Fast92lxcoupe:
I also out in a proportioning valve on the passenger side (under the hood by the firewall). However, I didn't change my booster or master cylinder. Any idea what my problem may be? Is it my master or booster?
So you now have two proportioning valves (the stock one and the aftermarket)? You only need one.
Posts: 344 | From: Earth | Registered: Jul 2002
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Captain Obvious
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You need to gut the stock proportioning valve for use with rear disc brakes. the stock proportioning valve doesn't provide enough pressure for disc brakes and doesnt allow the pistons on disc brakes to back off the rotor (constant drag)
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Fast92lxcoupe
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Originally posted by 68stanger:
You need to gut the stock proportioning valve for use with rear disc brakes. the stock proportioning valve doesn't provide enough pressure for disc brakes and doesnt allow the pistons on disc brakes to back off the rotor (constant drag)
Already gutted the original proportioning valve.
Posts: 1027 | From: Hayward | Registered: Feb 2008
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Fast92lxcoupe
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Originally posted by 5.0 LsX:
put the 94-95 master on, problem solved
So just the master? I wouldn't have to swap the booster?
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93 LX Hatch W/Black Int 5 Speed(R.I.P)
92 LX Coupe W/Black Int 5 Speed (sold)
88 LX Hatch 40K miles
68 Chevelle LS1
98 S10 Bagged FBSS
Posts: 1027 | From: Hayward | Registered: Feb 2008
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Fast92lxcoupe
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Originally posted by 5.0 LsX:
o, it will require some modifications of the brake lines where the oem prop valve is
And one more thing, I'm planning on buying the MM proportioning valve delete kit
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93 LX Hatch W/Black Int 5 Speed(R.I.P)
92 LX Coupe W/Black Int 5 Speed (sold)
88 LX Hatch 40K miles
68 Chevelle LS1
98 S10 Bagged FBSS
Posts: 1027 | From: Hayward | Registered: Feb 2008
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89foxstang
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I think to make it easier to diagnose over the Internet it would help if we knew what exactly you mean by not braking, ex: very stiff pedal, very soft pedal, no pedal!! Lmk might be able to narrow the problem down a little better
Posts: 825 | From: Davis | Registered: Aug 2005
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Fast92lxcoupe
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Originally posted by 89foxstang:
I think to make it easier to diagnose over the Internet it would help if we knew what exactly you mean by not braking, ex: very stiff pedal, very soft pedal, no pedal!! Lmk might be able to narrow the problem down a little better
Super soft pedal. I took the car up 20 mph and slammed on the brakes and it took about 40 feet to come to a complete stop. When the car is jacked up, and I let the rear wheels turn I can slam on the brakes and it'll take forever for the rear wheels to stop
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93 LX Hatch W/Black Int 5 Speed(R.I.P)
92 LX Coupe W/Black Int 5 Speed (sold)
88 LX Hatch 40K miles
68 Chevelle LS1
98 S10 Bagged FBSS
Posts: 1027 | From: Hayward | Registered: Feb 2008
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Ryn621
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did you bleed the brakes to make sure all air is out
Posts: 364 | From: 707\510 | Registered: Sep 2011
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Fast92lxcoupe
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Originally posted by Ryn621:
did you bleed the brakes to make sure all air is out
I bled the shit out of them
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93 LX Hatch W/Black Int 5 Speed(R.I.P)
92 LX Coupe W/Black Int 5 Speed (sold)
88 LX Hatch 40K miles
68 Chevelle LS1
98 S10 Bagged FBSS
Posts: 1027 | From: Hayward | Registered: Feb 2008
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89foxstang
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Sounds like it could be a bad master, if you bled all the air out and the master was building pressure, I would assume you should have a stiff pedal... With that said an incorrect piston size could cause a mushy pedal, but I wouldn't think it would be that bad? When I did my cobra brake swap I swapped the master, and went with manual brake setup. I had a super stiff pedal lol
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89foxstang
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Also I'm assuming you've played with the proportioning valve to see if it makes any difference? Are the fronts just as bad?
Posts: 825 | From: Davis | Registered: Aug 2005
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dohc90lx
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if there is a bleeding port on the master bleed it too. there can be air cought in the master if you didnt bench bleed it.
Posts: 129 | From: antioch | Registered: Apr 2012
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stangin'
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you need to upgrade your master cylinder. i went with a 93 cobra MC and booster when i did my cobra brake setup. bench bleed it and your braking should improve dramatically.
Posts: 2993 | From: Bay Area | Registered: Oct 2001
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89Rodknocker
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When u gutted the stock prop valve u put the plug in right? And you added an adjustable prop valve on the right side where the union is right. If not your never gonna get any brakes.
[ September 03, 2012, 07:52 PM: Message edited by: 89Rodknocker ]
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94 gt runner (sold)
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