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Topic: The Great Debate: Bigger cubes or Boosted
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FRC_Kid
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Been having this debate with a few people lately and thought I'd just start a thread and get everyone's input and thoughts..
This is geared towards pushrods also..
Would you rather have a H/C/I 331,347 or a H/C/I 302 with a turbo, supercharger???
I pick the 2 combo...
I have seen stroker motors put out nice power but would it get raped from say a 30mph roll from a boosted 302 with the same power?
Is the day and age of big motors over since boost is reasonable now???????
try to keep this a clean thread also...
If you guys want to post #'s than feel welcome too
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Depends on how much money you have. I would do HCI supercharged 302 but if you have the money for it why not a hci supercharged 347?
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Wildfire532FB
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460 bored/stroked to 532 made 514rwhp and 576rwtq. Some day i may put a shot of nitrous on it or maybe supercharge it.
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i think what you must decide first is how much power do you want to make, be realistic. second, determine your budget. make a specific hp goal and find the best route to achieve that power.
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SydeWaySix
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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
460 bored/stroked to 532 made 514rwhp and 576rwtq. Some day i may put a shot of nitrous on it or maybe supercharge it.
These would be nice numbers to achieve, BUT I bet you spent 5x's more on this setup than he will on a blower or turbo on his 302. Also, if he does an supercharged/turbo HCI 302 I think he'd get close to your numbers for a lot less money.
In my opinion, if you're on a budget, I think a power adder isthe way to go...HCI strokers tend to get costly.
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he said "bigger cubes" lmao
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FRC_Kid
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Originally posted by N8:
he said "bigger cubes" lmao
I meant more cubes lol
But I'm only starting this thread because me and a few buddies of mine have been having heated debates lately.. I'll be strting another one real soon here that will prob piss some folks off hahaha...
But I did forget to add.. this is to be kept in reasonable budgets... we all wish we could build $ 10k motors but thats not reality, heck most people here can't get an aftermarket blocl..
So take it from there... I'm sticking with my forced induction 302
Someone prove me wrong.. where are all the stroker guys at ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
I know it's a lot of them on here
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Wildfire532FB
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Originally posted by SydeWaySix:
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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
460 bored/stroked to 532 made 514rwhp and 576rwtq. Some day i may put a shot of nitrous on it or maybe supercharge it.
These would be nice numbers to achieve, BUT I bet you spent 5x's more on this setup than he will on a blower or turbo on his 302. Also, if he does an supercharged/turbo HCI 302 I think he'd get close to your numbers for a lot less money.
In my opinion, if you're on a budget, I think a power adder isthe way to go...HCI strokers tend to get costly.
I think i spent 6K maybe 7K on my engine.
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FRC_Kid
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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
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Originally posted by SydeWaySix:
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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
460 bored/stroked to 532 made 514rwhp and 576rwtq. Some day i may put a shot of nitrous on it or maybe supercharge it.
These would be nice numbers to achieve, BUT I bet you spent 5x's more on this setup than he will on a blower or turbo on his 302. Also, if he does an supercharged/turbo HCI 302 I think he'd get close to your numbers for a lot less money.
In my opinion, if you're on a budget, I think a power adder isthe way to go...HCI strokers tend to get costly.
I think i spent 6K maybe 7K on my engine.
If you've ever owned a supercarged car before.. whcih would prefer.. that or your lots O' cubes????
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Wildfire532FB
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Originally posted by cali95gt:
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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
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Originally posted by SydeWaySix:
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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
460 bored/stroked to 532 made 514rwhp and 576rwtq. Some day i may put a shot of nitrous on it or maybe supercharge it.
These would be nice numbers to achieve, BUT I bet you spent 5x's more on this setup than he will on a blower or turbo on his 302. Also, if he does an supercharged/turbo HCI 302 I think he'd get close to your numbers for a lot less money.
In my opinion, if you're on a budget, I think a power adder isthe way to go...HCI strokers tend to get costly.
I think i spent 6K maybe 7K on my engine.
If you've ever owned a supercarged car before.. whcih would prefer.. that or your lots O' cubes????
I've never had a supercharged car before but i've driven a couple of them. i like big cubes.
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I choose the blower route mainly that you can make tons of HP and also be very streetable. You will not need the biggest heads or a huge cam with lots of overlap to make over 500rwhp with a blower or even easier turbo. I would love to go n/a with a 408 stroker on my next setup, but I will not make the power I am making now unless I have over 12:1 compression and a huge cam in a 408.
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BIGBALLFACTOR
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bbc 632 with 3 stages.on tt5 an run mid 7's
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Nothing feels as smooth and clean as NA power...jmo though
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venomous99
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if you had a a modular id say go with a positive displacement blower to have that "bigger cubes" feel in a "smaller cube" setup.
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FRC_Kid
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Thanks for everone's inpu.. now time to start the next arguement ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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The more cubes you have to start with the less boost you need to have to make power.
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93PONY
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Dart SHP 9.5" deck 4.125" bore x 4" stroke (427ci)
8.5:1 compression.
Done correctly a low compression all-motor 427ci will FAR out power the the best all-motor pump gas 347's in the area which make 450+RWHP and run 10's on motor.
Then save up for a blower or turbo down the road and push as much power as you like.
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
Dart SHP 9.5" deck 4.125" bore x 4" stroke (427ci)
8.5:1 compression.
Done correctly a low compression all-motor 427ci will FAR out power the the best all-motor pump gas 347's in the area which make 450+RWHP and run 10's on motor.
Then save up for a blower or turbo down the road and push as much power as you like.
Put a turbo on that and run 18psi and put down 1k rwhp ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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87TURBO
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In my opinion, if you're on a budget, I think a power adder isthe way to go...HCI strokers tend to get costly. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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70mach351
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
Dart SHP 9.5" deck 4.125" bore x 4" stroke (427ci)
8.5:1 compression.
Done correctly a low compression all-motor 427ci will FAR out power the the best all-motor pump gas 347's in the area which make 450+RWHP and run 10's on motor.
Then save up for a blower or turbo down the road and push as much power as you like.
what he said
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no replacement for displacement ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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Wildfire532FB
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Originally posted by Ryan.:
no replacement for displacement
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Build a strong, 10-1 stroker motor. If that is not enough, then boost it. At least you have a solid foundation, and a cam swap is all that you would need to get the motor optimized for the power adder. Sure, it's tempting to add a $1,500 used S-trim to your stock shortblock, but it's only a ticking time bomb.
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FRC_Kid
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Originally posted by phildog:
Build a strong, 10-1 stroker motor. If that is not enough, then boost it. At least you have a solid foundation, and a cam swap is all that you would need to get the motor optimized for the power adder. Sure, it's tempting to add a $1,500 used S-trim to your stock shortblock, but it's only a ticking time bomb.
when did i say stock shortblcok???
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