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9cobra7
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I just thought this was funny and had to share. Just the union reps alone were 1.5 million...lol
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GOT 50
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These fucking idiots.
Fire all Bart staff. Radicate teh union. Hire all new people off of the street for half price. You can leave the great benifits teh same. Let them re orginize into a new union and call it a day.
BART literally has no extra money to hand out any more money for extra benifits and wages.
That Union can go fuck themselves for being that selfish in an economic downturn!!!
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[ July 30, 2009, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: GOT 50 ]
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sharkattack
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Unions offered a counter proposal that would save the district over 760 mil in 25 years just by changing the vested service time from 5 to 15 years. Why do you think BART wont entertain the idea? Many upper management will never see 15 years of service thus losing out Retiree medical coverage. Don't just blame the unions. Those running BART are way more guilty of looking out for themselves.
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NorCalRydaz
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Originally posted by sharkattack:
Unions offered a counter proposal that would save the district over 760 mil in 25 years just by changing the vested service time from 5 to 15 years. Why do you think BART wont entertain the idea? Many upper management will never see 15 years of service thus losing out Retiree medical coverage. Don't just blame the unions. Those running BART are way more guilty of looking out for themselves.
True. ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
Posts: 2963 | From: San Jo | Registered: Sep 2003
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Originally posted by sharkattack:
Unions offered a counter proposal that would save the district over 760 mil in 25 years just by changing the vested service time from 5 to 15 years. Why do you think BART wont entertain the idea? Many upper management will never see 15 years of service thus losing out Retiree medical coverage. Don't just blame the unions. Those running BART are way more guilty of looking out for themselves.
This is for future employees. All existing employees will be grandfathered under past labor agrements. In the long run it might save some money but right now it is going to cost a boat load more!
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SHOalex
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Originally posted by GOT 50:
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Originally posted by sharkattack:
Unions offered a counter proposal that would save the district over 760 mil in 25 years just by changing the vested service time from 5 to 15 years. Why do you think BART wont entertain the idea? Many upper management will never see 15 years of service thus losing out Retiree medical coverage. Don't just blame the unions. Those running BART are way more guilty of looking out for themselves.
This is for future employees. All existing employees will be grandfathered under past labor agrements. In the long run it might save some money but right now it is going to cost a boat load more!
But you said fire all the bart staff so who's going to be left?
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SHOalex
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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
I just thought this was funny and had to share. Just the union reps alone were 1.5 million...lol
The union and companies also have these guys called "mediators" they don't do shit but take money every time their is a negotiation going on IT SUX BALLS!
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Posts: 1448 | From: Oakland | Registered: Jun 2007
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Originally posted by SHOalex:
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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
I just thought this was funny and had to share. Just the union reps alone were 1.5 million...lol
The union and companies also have these guys called "mediators" they don't do shit but take money every time their is a negotiation going on IT SUX BALLS!
Contrary to your belief mediators save tons of money of they can get resolution before shit ends up in court.
Fire them all expect for maybe one guy and hire a completly new staff!
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Originally posted by GOT 50:
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Originally posted by SHOalex:
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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
I just thought this was funny and had to share. Just the union reps alone were 1.5 million...lol
The union and companies also have these guys called "mediators" they don't do shit but take money every time their is a negotiation going on IT SUX BALLS!
Contrary to your belief mediators save tons of money of they can get resolution before shit ends up in court.
Fire them all expect for maybe one guy and hire a completly
new staff!
This is one of the problems with this country.... Everyone wants to make good money but people don't want to WORK for it... I'm a manager for a WH... Anything goes wrong it's my ass. I'm salary and work on average 50 hrs a week. Is it fair for everyone else to make the same wage as me? Even if they are doing more physical work then me?
What I'm trying to say is people need to man up work hard and move up and quit bitchin' about money.
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Venomized93
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Originally posted by GOT 50:
These fucking idiots.
Fire all Bart staff. Radicate teh union. Hire all new people off of the street for half price. You can leave the great benifits teh same. Let them re orginize into a new union and call it a day.
BART literally has no extra money to hand out any more money for extra benifits and wages.
That Union can go fuck themselves for being that selfish in an economic downturn!!!
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) Typical BART employee hater.
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Originally posted by Venomized93:
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Originally posted by GOT 50:
These fucking idiots.
Fire all Bart staff. Radicate teh union. Hire all new people off of the street for half price. You can leave the great benifits teh same. Let them re orginize into a new union and call it a day.
BART literally has no extra money to hand out any more money for extra benifits and wages.
That Union can go fuck themselves for being that selfish in an economic downturn!!!
Typical BART employee hater.
You must work for BART. So you must also understand how easy you have it for teh amount you make and the benifits you recieve.
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Venomized93
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Actually I am and tired of all the negative comments and people crying about this and that. Apply next time positions open up, which there should be some when this is all over. It's nothing glamorous and is just enough to live in the Bay Area as a single person, renting that is! Not everyone at BART makes as much as the news mentions.
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SHOalex
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Originally posted by Venomized93:
Actually I am and tired of all the negative comments and people crying about this and that. Apply next time positions open up, which there should be some when this is all over. It's nothing glamorous and is just enough to live in the Bay Area as a single person, renting that is! Not everyone at BART makes as much as the news mentions.
THANK YOU! The news always hypes everything up and people eat it up like a damn steak some people will believe anything they read/hear lol.
This falls under the category "Don't player hate participate" don't get mad at what other people make, then hate and say fuk fire all of them... How about YOU(who ever is hating) get a job that pay as well? That way you don't have to hate
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Posts: 1448 | From: Oakland | Registered: Jun 2007
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Did you know: as of the early 80's all BART trains are for the most part automated an all the driver has to do is it a button when the all the passengers are on board. The majority of the time they read newspapers or talk on the phone. Next time you are on BART walk to the head train and watch the guy/gal. They wont be doing much of anything.
Did you know: That the service agent you see at the stations primary respocibility is to make sure people dont jump the gate.
Did you know: That a person that makes 15 dollars an hour at BART actually costs more around 35-45 an hour burdened out?
Posts: 2139 | From: SF/DALY CITY/MILLBRAE | Registered: Oct 2002
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Venomized93
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Originally posted by GOT 50:
Did you know: as of the early 80's all BART trains are for the most part automated an all the driver has to do is it a button when the all the passengers are on board. The majority of the time they read newspapers or talk on the phone. Next time you are on BART walk to the head train and watch the guy/gal. They wont be doing much of anything.
Did you know: That the service agent you see at the stations primary respocibility is to make sure people dont jump the gate.
Did you know: That a person that makes 15 dollars an hour at BART actually costs more around 35-45 an hour burdened out?
Train Operators and Station Agents need to be there for emergency evacuations. Just because things are automated doesn't necessarily mean it can be left alone. What happens if there is an object that's on the tracks that the train cntrollers can't see? What happens if someone tries to commit suicide and is standing on the tracks. What if some dumb ass patron jumps down onto the tracks because he drop his iPod? Go to Bart.gov and look under job descriptions to see what is needed as a TO or SA. Same goes for SA. Fare evaders are left for Bart Police mainly. There's more to it....
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Originally posted by Venomized93:
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Originally posted by GOT 50:
Did you know: as of the early 80's all BART trains are for the most part automated an all the driver has to do is it a button when the all the passengers are on board. The majority of the time they read newspapers or talk on the phone. Next time you are on BART walk to the head train and watch the guy/gal. They wont be doing much of anything.
Did you know: That the service agent you see at the stations primary respocibility is to make sure people dont jump the gate.
Did you know: That a person that makes 15 dollars an hour at BART actually costs more around 35-45 an hour burdened out?
Train Operators and Station Agents need to be there for emergency evacuations. Just because things are automated doesn't necessarily mean it can be left alone. What happens if there is an object that's on the tracks that the train cntrollers can't see? What happens if someone tries to commit suicide and is standing on the tracks. What if some dumb ass patron jumps down onto the tracks because he drop his iPod? Go to Bart.gov and look under job descriptions to see what is needed as a TO or SA. Same goes for SA. Fare evaders are left for Bart Police mainly. There's more to it....
Your missing the point...
Why should a train operator that arguably only has to look forward and hit a button in case of an emergency get paid 25+ an hour before fringes? Thats 50K to hit an emergency stop button. Add health and welfare for a middle age man with a wife and two kids is another 12K-30K a year depending on age. Pension is around another 5 dollars plus an hour.
Total income of anywhere from 72K-90K a year to hit one button...
Dont get me wrong. The actual dispatchers that coordinate all the information that is receveid from all the train controll rooms are worth every penny they get paid. Think of them as air traffic controllers. But sadly they are the smallest amount of employees.
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Eddie510-
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Stop hating on a player that dont need to do shit at the job! ![[Whoo Whooooo!]](graemlins/woowoo.gif)
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SHOalex
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Stop hating on a player that dont need to do shit at the job!
+2 hahahahaha
This guy is missing the point it's a liability issue anything goes wrong you hit something it's the opperators ass not the guy sitting at operation control looking at the trains on a screen, like the guy who tunes your car should you pay him less then a guy doing a run of the mil tune up cause he's not physicly working as hard?
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