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Originally posted by Yaterstang:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blCzB-8o7lk

The majority of BAD police officers were dorks in school, had no friends, narcs, and dateless. Oh yeah, they got their asses kicked a lot too by the cool kids. They are just paying everybody back and have turned it to a successful career that rewards merciless behavior, bigotry and racial profiling. Discretion on how they handle theses situation is solely on their hands and unfortunately these douchebags have no clue on how to handle themselves or how to deal with people. Not everybody is a criminal.

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Originally posted by graylx:
I am trying to follow your logic. You've found some footage of police abuse on Youtube and infer that police are generally corrupt and abusive of their power.

Lets say I watch several Youtube clips of bank robberies. For the sake of argument, let's say most of the suspects are of a particular race. Am I to assume that most people of that particular race are prone to bank robbery or using force to take another person's property?

Or let's say I research the demographics of those incarcerated in the California Penal System and discover over 50% of those incarcerated are of a particular race. Should I assume that particular race is prone to committing more crime?

The logic here is poor. You take a few examples and apply it to the whole. You insinuate that you live in a totalitarian state because some officers are abusive of their power. You throw around the concept of totalitarianism lightly. I suppose if you lived in Stalinist USSR or Nazi Germany, you may have more moral authority to make your argument, based on experience. People who endured those regimes could probably explain the concept of totalitarianism in more concrete terms for you.

If you're that paranoid of police, maybe staying inside would be a good idea. After all, you don't want to be subjected to the tyranny of a traffic ticket or a warrant check. However, I have a vague notion you may be of the confrontational sort and wonder why you've been cited for no front license plate, when the officer would have ordinarily let you loose with a warning. (I recall in another thread you advocating confronting a neighbor over an ongoing dispute.)

Or maybe I am trying to reason with the unreasonable?

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I have never had any problems with the police. I have dealt with some rude bastards and assholes, but they possess those traits not because of their badge or uniform, but because that's their individual personality. On the contrary, I have dealt with some of the coolest cops.

I am confident that if you are polite and respectful to cops during you're encounters and do not assume a confrontational attitude, you won't have to worry about being smacked upside the head with a baton, errrr "harassed" by the police.

[ July 23, 2008, 01:27 PM: Message edited by: 98Snake ]

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Originally posted by Cobraboy:
But it does make you wonder what happened to that person to make them want to be a cop and treat people like that.

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You make some excellent points. But you neglect to mention that MOST of the time, the person's BEHAVIOR, ACTIONS, and ATTITUDE is what determines how cops handle each situation.

As to why they want to be a cop? Everyone has their reasons as to why they do what they do in life. But when was the last time you looked at a cop's salary here in California?

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Originally posted by Cobraboy:
But it does make you wonder what happened to that person to make them want to be a cop and treat people like that.

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You make some excellent points. But you neglect to mention that MOST of the time, the person's BEHAVIOR, ACTIONS, and ATTITUDE is what determines how cops handle each situation.

As to why they want to be a cop? Everyone has their reasons as to why they do what they do in life. But when was the last time you looked at a cop's salary here in California?

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That is true. I am always polite to officers no matter what, and I have only ONCE been treated in a rude way (like I mentioned above) and that guy was having a REALLY bad day. I don't blame him, given the circumstances.

And the salary of cops here in CA is really good IMO. I am not doing it for the money but I could see how that would motivate somebody to have a career in law enforcement.

I am trying to get on with the highway patrol, by the way.

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Originally posted by graylx:
I am trying to follow your logic. You've found some footage of police abuse on Youtube and infer that police are generally corrupt and abusive of their power.

Lets say I watch several Youtube clips of bank robberies. For the sake of argument, let's say most of the suspects are of a particular race. Am I to assume that most people of that particular race are prone to bank robbery or using force to take another person's property?

Or let's say I research the demographics of those incarcerated in the California Penal System and discover over 50% of those incarcerated are of a particular race. Should I assume that particular race is prone to committing more crime?

The logic here is poor. You take a few examples and apply it to the whole. You insinuate that you live in a totalitarian state because some officers are abusive of their power. You throw around the concept of totalitarianism lightly. I suppose if you lived in Stalinist USSR or Nazi Germany, you may have more moral authority to make your argument, based on experience. People who endured those regimes could probably explain the concept of totalitarianism in more concrete terms for you.

If you're that paranoid of police, maybe staying inside would be a good idea. After all, you don't want to be subjected to the tyranny of a traffic ticket or a warrant check. However, I have a vague notion you may be of the confrontational sort and wonder why you've been cited for no front license plate, when the officer would have ordinarily let you loose with a warning. (I recall in another thread you advocating confronting a neighbor over an ongoing dispute.)

Or maybe I am trying to reason with the unreasonable?

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Originally posted by Dave50:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_gFJJXLv28

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The suspect is obviously resisting and the officers are trying to gain control. The video is taken way out of context, you have no idea what led up to this and the suspect can obvioulsy breathe because he is talking! Furthermore, if you look at about 17 seconds, right before the officer strikes the suspect the man grabs his leg. The camera footage is not great, but it look as if the man grabs the officers junk or gun.

[ July 24, 2008, 03:44 AM: Message edited by: rgtrahn ]

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Originally posted by graylx:
I am trying to follow your logic. You've found some footage of police abuse on Youtube and infer that police are generally corrupt and abusive of their power.

Lets say I watch several Youtube clips of bank robberies. For the sake of argument, let's say most of the suspects are of a particular race. Am I to assume that most people of that particular race are prone to bank robbery or using force to take another person's property?

Or let's say I research the demographics of those incarcerated in the California Penal System and discover over 50% of those incarcerated are of a particular race. Should I assume that particular race is prone to committing more crime?

The logic here is poor. You take a few examples and apply it to the whole. You insinuate that you live in a totalitarian state because some officers are abusive of their power. You throw around the concept of totalitarianism lightly. I suppose if you lived in Stalinist USSR or Nazi Germany, you may have more moral authority to make your argument, based on experience. People who endured those regimes could probably explain the concept of totalitarianism in more concrete terms for you.

If you're that paranoid of police, maybe staying inside would be a good idea. After all, you don't want to be subjected to the tyranny of a traffic ticket or a warrant check. However, I have a vague notion you may be of the confrontational sort and wonder why you've been cited for no front license plate, when the officer would have ordinarily let you loose with a warning. (I recall in another thread you advocating confronting a neighbor over an ongoing dispute.)

Or maybe I am trying to reason with the unreasonable?

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