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Topic: Nice Numbers On 05GT Tune
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hidnn.o.s.
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New customer came in last week for us to install some JBA headers and an underdrive pulley. Anyway, in all he has BBK cold air kit w/throttle body, pulley, headers, catted x pipe, mandrel 2 1/2 exhaust piping, Borla muff (no hp in muffs).
Stock these cars put down about 268RWHP. His with the tune put down 306RWHP ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
It's nice to be able to see what does and does not work before working on my own ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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R.I.P. Willie G. You are missed on this forum
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BlackNGold
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So that's about a 60 hp (gross) increase...So, full exhaust, pulleys, CAI, and TB?... Not bad, but I wonder how much $$$ that is for 60 hp....And I also wonder how much of that 60hp was in the tune itself...What do the 05-06's dyno bone stock with a tune?...
What was the RWTQ?....
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good question...
long tubes or mid length. are the only way to go, I heard.
and I heard if you put high flow cats...and no mufflers at all you get a couple more horses.
I have shorties, no cats and flowmasters. I'm all fu@ked up. 320 to the wheel.
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hidnn.o.s.
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Originally posted by Black 06:
I have shorties, no cats and flowmasters. I'm all fu@ked up. 320 to the wheel.
What are all your mods to reach 320RWHP?
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R.I.P. Willie G. You are missed on this forum
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i have steeda pullies
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stangless
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quote:
Originally posted by Black 06:
i have steeda pullies
is that a serious response?
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I pm'd him with all my mods. I forgot to put pullies in the pm.
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hidnn.o.s.
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Ignorance must be bliss. I said these motors do not do well with forced induction. YOU LOST A MOTOR WITH FORCED INDUCTION, LMFAO! Brilliant!
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lostsoul
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
Ignorance must be bliss. I said these motors do not do well with forced induction. YOU LOST A MOTOR WITH FORCED INDUCTION, LMFAO! Brilliant!
you must have missed the real reason she blew and the comments that many are out there running and have been for a long time. Let me cram tons of water into your TB and see how long it lasts ;-).. de de de
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slp/ati procharger
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AJBlackGT
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
Ignorance must be bliss. I said these motors do not do well with forced induction. YOU LOST A MOTOR WITH FORCED INDUCTION, LMFAO! Brilliant!
They do pretty good if the tune is safe. We had a guy bring one to our shop to put some jba shorties on, a throttle body, 4.10s, and an intercooled s trim. The thing made 445 rwhp through an auto with just those mods and a very safe tune.
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right and as I stated on another thread I was running the procharger 10psi for 7+ months before trying to add the meth kit on. If hidnn.o.s. doesnt believe its safe and doesnt want to run it on his more power to him. But to bluntly state it cant handle any boost when procharger/saleen/whipple/kb all make kits and many have ran over a year or longer is just wrong
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AJBlackGT
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Originally posted by lostsoul:
right and as I stated on another thread I was running the procharger 10psi for 7+ months before trying to add the meth kit on. If hidnn.o.s. doesnt believe its safe and doesnt want to run it on his more power to him. But to bluntly state it cant handle any boost when procharger/saleen/whipple/kb all make kits and many have ran over a year or longer is just wrong
I just meant that the motor responded very well to boost and made good power, but the stock rods and pistons aren't that strong and from what I understand they start to pop consistently around 480rwhp.
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90 Notch
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lostsoul
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I know a few people that have ran 500+wrhp without issues on the track.. a few for over a year. Theres one shop in texas pushing 620+rwhp on a stock block and racing it. ahha.. but your right. 480-500rwhp rang is pushing it but with good tunes people are doing it. Even justin from jpc racing ran his at 565rwhp for a long time (procharger and nos)
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/2005-mustang/worlds-fastest-2005-mustang-3v-and-more-40786-4.html
theres a shop in texas running 640+rwhp on the stock block. Thats why I cant stress the importance of a tuner that is certifide and had done hard core tuning on the 05-07's. Even a simple CAI without tune can cause issues with these cars. I have not really been able to find a shop here that had done allot of these cars with power adders. Once my puppy is up and running I will need to go down to LA and get her tuned. =-/
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hidnn.o.s.
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You're saying these people have been running forced for a long time with no problems, LMFAO. 05 is the first year they came out. It's a "FACT" that these "stock" motors do not hold up well to forced induction. A good and safe tune will help them last longer, but it's still inevitable......
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SVTGhoust
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I think as with any power adder you do on a N/A car, plan on a rebuild later on down the line as will eventually give out.
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lostsoul
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I agree with both of you. These cars may not last very long with a power adders as in many many years of use. IF that is what someone is looking for then no one should mod their car at all. My statments to hidnn.o.s. was that these cars can be supercharged just fine. Will the live to 300,000 miles.. probly not. haha. Also, mustang owners that do SC tend to do more after the fact that doesnt always help the engine live longer. I never planned to have my car run even 100,000. I was planning to forged my block to run more boost anyways..... just not after 7,000 mile though ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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I was gonna stay out of this. But I can't!!! These motors CAN handle boost. But they CAN'T handle detonation,at all. The position of the top ring on the piston makes it very easy to crack with minimal detonation. So if you keep it tuned so it won't get any detonation,the next weakest link is the powdered metal rods. I know chevy powdered metal rods are only good for about 500hp at the fly wheel. Its safe to assume the ford rods are not any stronger. If you are near the 450RWHP(dynojet "HP") you are playing with fire.I would not even attemt to run a supercharger on one of these motors that wasn't intercooled. There...Thats my 2c ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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65 Fastback
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ok got my shit retuned again. 290 rwhp.
at a chevy shop. So I guess the other guy lied to me? that was a mustang dyno that supposedly gave me 320 to the wheel. The car feels the same. I would have noticed if was 30 hp slower right?
I got 448 in torque. compared to the other shop at 456 in torque. On the bottle of course.
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Motorhead6T5
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quote:
Originally posted by Black 06:
ok got my shit retuned again. 290 rwhp.
at a chevy shop. So I guess the other guy lied to me? that was a mustang dyno that supposedly gave me 320 to the wheel. The car feels the same. I would have noticed if was 30 hp slower right?
I got 448 in torque. compared to the other shop at 456 in torque. On the bottle of course.
Every dyno reads different and should only be used as a tuning tool. Gains in HP should really be measured at the track. Some people probably minipulate readings to make the customer happy.
Mustang dynos typicaly put out lower numbers than dynojets.
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65 Fastback
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lostsoul
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right.. mustang dynos will be lower but they are the best to ones to use. this is the rough conversion math to convert mustang dyno to dyno jet:
X (RWTQ) * 0.9 / 2615 + 1 * X (RWTQ)=X (RWTQ on regualr Dyno)
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