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Posted by Spitfiremk24 (Member # 5698) on :
 
As a college student, I cant afford to do more than a couple track days a year, but I am starting to get into autocrossing with the scca, its much cheaper. In fact I am going next weekend at oakland with a couple friends.

I know the mustang isnt a very good car for auto crossing without extensive modifications, but does any one else on the boards here do auto crossing???
 

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Posted by Spitfiremk24 (Member # 5698) on :
 
also where do you recommend I buy an open face helmet that will work for scca. I dont really want a nice one, but I dont know where to start looking. thanks.
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5891) on :
 
where do they have autox in oakland, i might go check it out.
 

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Posted by Spitfiremk24 (Member # 5698) on :
 
you have to be an scca member, but sometimes they set up the cone course in the oakland coloseum parking lot...

http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/
 

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Posted by 1Sicgt (Member # 714) on :
 
Auto-X is cool. You wear tires faster imo. Plus, to short of a rush for what it is.
 

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Posted by blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
look into www.americanauto-x.com

higher speeds, larger track, and laptimes that run near 1 minute rather than 30 seconds
 

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Posted by green_fow_six (Member # 6063) on :
 
You can be pretty competitive in a Mustang. I autocrossed in St Louis scca for a few years and did ok. I haven't had a chance to hit SFR region yet. The best thing you can do whether you stay in stock or street prepared is get some r compound tires to be competetive.

You can check out some helmets at www.soloperformance.com they have some HJC snell certified open and full face helmets for around $70 I think. There is also helmetcity.com , they are based in Oakland.
 

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Posted by 04Z06 (Member # 2309) on :
 
I bought my helmet from a local motorcycle shop for around $59 on sale. Just make sure it is Snell approved.

Just run Street Tires. I am guessing you have some mods so Stock is out. I don't know of a single Mustang anymore that stays stock for more than a month.

I race the Sacramento chapter of SFR. I just ran Street Tire last year. I do miss the R compounds though. I am preping the car in the off season to take SS by storm. Just didn't have the time to get it ready this last year.

E
 

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Posted by Hungry Hippo (Member # 537) on :
 
after crashing my car, i plan to do as many of the atwater events as possible next year.
 

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Posted by Spitfiremk24 (Member # 5698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Hungry Hippo:
after crashing my car, i plan to do as many of the atwater events as possible next year.

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Originally posted by green_fow_six:
You can be pretty competitive in a Mustang. I autocrossed in St Louis scca for a few years and did ok. I haven't had a chance to hit SFR region yet. The best thing you can do whether you stay in stock or street prepared is get some r compound tires to be competetive.

You can check out some helmets at www.soloperformance.com they have some HJC snell certified open and full face helmets for around $70 I think. There is also helmetcity.com , they are based in Oakland.

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I am sure you can be competitive, but some "respected opinions" told me that my car was going to push everywhere and not stop. So of course I believe them. . . I cant wait to go! I wish it was more than 3 runs, but I have a couple of older guys that I know real well and I should get some major hook ups on rides

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Originally posted by 04Z06:
I bought my helmet from a local motorcycle shop for around $59 on sale. Just make sure it is Snell approved.

Just run Street Tires. I am guessing you have some mods so Stock is out. I don't know of a single Mustang anymore that stays stock for more than a month.

I race the Sacramento chapter of SFR. I just ran Street Tire last year. I do miss the R compounds though. I am preping the car in the off season to take SS by storm. Just didn't have the time to get it ready this last year.

E

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thanks! Well, you obviously havent seen my car... Ive had it for 7 to 8 months or so now, and its pretty much stock. Ive done a bunch of crap to it, but almost all of it is asthetics I guess, except for a tri ax, and I put some cheap race pedals in for some better heal-toe action! you know, the ones where you drill a couple holes in your stock pedals, and you bolt these ones up anywhich way you want them on there

So I plan on staying in the stock class. I will probably be getting gears soon, and my buddies reeeaallly want me to get some kind of suspension setup, even if its $200 springs

so who knows.


But THANKS! for all your responses!

John

[ December 03, 2005, 02:52 AM: Message edited by: Spitfiremk24 ]
 

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Posted by Spitfiremk24 (Member # 5698) on :
 

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Originally posted by blind:
look into www.americanauto-x.com

higher speeds, larger track, and laptimes that run near 1 minute rather than 30 seconds

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Originally posted by Spitfiremk24:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by blind:
look into www.americanauto-x.com

higher speeds, larger track, and laptimes that run near 1 minute rather than 30 seconds

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Originally posted by 9cobra9:

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Originally posted by Spitfiremk24:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by blind:
look into www.americanauto-x.com

higher speeds, larger track, and laptimes that run near 1 minute rather than 30 seconds

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its about 1.5 hours away, instead of 45 minutes though... and a bit more expensive...

but looks cool nonetheless!!!
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I am also a newbe but i the few times ives been to at water i had a GREAT time. the people there are very nice regardless of what u drive, and some will be willing to drive with you to teach u. i cant wait till the next season.
hey, i just got kumho MX tires, are those pretty good ones?

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Originally posted by Spitfiremk24:

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Originally posted by 9cobra9:

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Originally posted by Spitfiremk24:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by blind:
look into www.americanauto-x.com

higher speeds, larger track, and laptimes that run near 1 minute rather than 30 seconds

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its about 1.5 hours away, instead of 45 minutes though... and a bit more expensive...

but looks cool nonetheless!!!
thanks [/QU

I am also a newbe but i the few times ives been to at water i had a GREAT time. the people there are very nice regardless of what u drive, and some will be willing to drive with you to teach u. i cant wait till the next season.
hey, i just got kumho MX tires, are those pretty good ones?

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I have been in the market for some new tires, and I really want to go with those Kumho ecsta MX's that you are talking about. Let me know how you like them!

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i will let u know my take as soon as i get some good experiance with them
but for now i like them better than my s0-3s and the pilots ps2s they seem to stick pretty well.
 

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Posted by Spitfiremk24 (Member # 5698) on :
 
you like those kumhos, and you have had ps2s?! I hear ps2s are suposed to be where its at for performance street tire. But yeah some one mentioned that the MXs are expensive, but up next to the other kumhos they are one of the more expensive tires, but 140 per tire is dirt cheap compared to ps2s!
 

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Posted by Hungry Hippo (Member # 537) on :
 
i think the MX's are one of the best for the price. but i'm an idiot
 

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Posted by Spitfiremk24 (Member # 5698) on :
 
Wow I had so much fun! I am really glad I went... but my tires arent...

When I got there, they were already in bad shape, especially the fronts, had no tread around the outside edges from thunder hill with stock camber settings

oh yeah I have about 15k miles on my OE tires and now they have flat spots all over them. haha you can hear it even, it doesnt sound safe, its buggin me. So now its really time for new tires!

So I ran 35 psi on the fronts, and the backs are wearing evenly so i ran 30... did I make a mistake?

I went with a couple of buddies who sort of took me under their wing, as it was my first event, one guy drove my car, he is used to driving M3s, so he doesnt know how to drive a car without abs, and he doesnt know how to handle understeer. The result, he was embarrased. But he drove really really well in his M3s, and I got a bunch of rides from a lot of friendly people. There were a couple of other mustangs, and some sweet cars, and then some not so sweet ones.

HAHA the first car I rode in was a little CRX. the thing moved, I iwas really suprised, until he completely lost it in the slolom and I got tire spray in my eyes.
 

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Posted by Spitfiremk24 (Member # 5698) on :
 
oh yeah, cool cars there were

a black C6 ZO6... if only he really drove it ... I dont know... if you just blew 100k on one, would you punish it in the parking lot?

that new 'cedes slk amg, that thing scoots! and it sounds really cool! I just think it looks ugly.

an Ultima GTR... yeah the race car

a totally raced out m3.. the yellow one for you regulars.. that thing was quick

And some guy had a really nice old malibu.. I dont know anything about malibus so I cant tell you the year, but I think its 60s, and it was restod with chrome wheels and stuff, and he was FLOGGING it... it blew a head gasket too

 

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Posted by blind (Member # 3052) on :
 

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Originally posted by Spitfiremk24:
So I ran 35 psi on the fronts, and the backs are wearing evenly so i ran 30... did I make a mistake?

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Originally posted by Spitfiremk24:
So I ran 35 psi on the fronts, and the backs are wearing evenly so i ran 30... did I make a mistake?

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nah that sounds about right, the rears dont show any wear at all on my car after a weekend.

I've gone as high as 40psi in the fronts, it helps a lot with the understeer and gives the front some extra bite.

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Originally posted by blind:

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Originally posted by Spitfiremk24:
So I ran 35 psi on the fronts, and the backs are wearing evenly so i ran 30... did I make a mistake?

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nah that sounds about right, the rears dont show any wear at all on my car after a weekend.

I've gone as high as 40psi in the fronts, it helps a lot with the understeer and gives the front some extra bite.

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Originally posted by Spitfiremk24:

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Originally posted by blind:
look into www.americanauto-x.com

higher speeds, larger track, and laptimes that run near 1 minute rather than 30 seconds

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its about 1.5 hours away, instead of 45 minutes though... and a bit more expensive...

but looks cool nonetheless!!!
thanks

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You get 5 runs with AAS instead of 3 with SFR though, surface is better and the courses are faster. Should start up again end of Feb. hopefully I'll have the engine back in by then .
 

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Posted by Spitfiremk24 (Member # 5698) on :
 

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Originally posted by 04Z06:
It is so hard to get the rears to hook up out of the corners.

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yeah geeze out of every corner I couldnt give it much gas without losing traction in 2nd gear. 2ND gear! in a stock GT!

so, naturally, I floored it and got sideways out of every single turn.

[ December 21, 2005, 01:08 AM: Message edited by: Spitfiremk24 ]
 

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Posted by alwaysracin (Member # 5204) on :
 
I have run as much as 52 psi in the front end of different cars and I think I would go about that high in a mustang.

The yellow M3 is Vic Sias, I co-drove with im in 00 (BSP 240Z, 01 (BSP 240Z), 03 (M3). check out his website
www.siastuning.com

I had a good amount of front camber in my 91, let a few friends take it out. It needed more front camber (poor suspension design), yet you loose more braking. I heard around 3 degrees front camber is about a good compromise. Mine was set at 2.5 and then changed it to almost 4. At 4 you could barely stop it, but my rear brakes need adjusting.

I was there in a little red girlie Miata, again.
34 CSP

Later,
Scott Fraser
 

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Posted by 04Z06 (Member # 2309) on :
 
As heavy as the Mustang is I would be a little scared to run the tire that high. Talking to a bunch of the Mustang guys when I was running the Cobra, they gave me looks when I told them 44lbs. I was running them to the edge but I was pushing too. You need to slow down a lot entering the corner as not to push. If you do this you will not need the tire presures up that high. That is the hard part. About 3 neg Camber is about right. At least on a modded car. In stock Max is about 1.x. For the higher classes I would say 2.5 and up. Depends on your setup.

Hope this helps..

E

You could just buy a Z06 and call it done.. hehehe..
 

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