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Posted by SLOWSN95 (Member # 8269) on
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I will eventually be doing a H/C/I setup on my 94gt. Besides GT40 irons, what is your opinion on the best cylinder head without breaking your wallet?
This will be on the stock bottom end and I will also be running a TFS1 cam (.499"/.510"). I am not sure if I want to go with 1.6 or 1.7 rockers since I am unsure if I will run into PTV clearance issues.
Posted by LX347hatch (Member # 8668) on
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i've heard good things about the patriot performance heads..they have a fully assembled aluminum set for under 1000.
Posted by stangin' (Member # 514) on
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i would just keep on saving until you can afford some quality aluminum heads. there are used heads for sale here all the time.
Posted by Adam5.0 (Member # 6995) on
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used set of trick flows can be had for about $900
Posted by SLOWSN95 (Member # 8269) on
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Thanks for the help fellas. I'm going to look into those patriot heads but its not a for sure thing yet. I may take a look at some edelbrocks or just save up more. Still up in the air. Anybody else have any experience with those patriot heads and what kind of power people made with them?
Posted by LX347hatch (Member # 8668) on
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Either 5.0 magazine or mm&ff did a article on them a while back . Google it . I think they bolted them up to a stock shortblock and were happy and surprised with the results.
Posted by SLOWSN95 (Member # 8269) on
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Originally posted by LX347hatch:
Either 5.0 magazine or mm&ff did a article on them a while back . Google it . I think they bolted them up to a stock shortblock and were happy and surprised with the results.
Just did a little research on those heads. They seem really good for the price. I am definitely considering getting them. I would just like to know a little more about them before I actually make the purchase. But they are one of the top prospects at the moment. I have till about tax return time to make my decision. Thanks for the heads up about these
Posted by Pure Stang (Member # 7251) on
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Originally posted by SLOWSN95:
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Originally posted by LX347hatch:
Either 5.0 magazine or mm&ff did a article on them a while back . Google it . I think they bolted them up to a stock shortblock and were happy and surprised with the results.
Just did a little research on those heads. They seem really good for the price. I am definitely considering getting them. I would just like to know a little more about them before I actually make the purchase. But they are one of the top prospects at the moment. I have till about tax return time to make my decision. Thanks for the heads up about these
heard a lot of people having trouble with those heads. they have a valve seating problem. by the time you fix them it ill cost you about the same as edel, tf, and afr.
Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on
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just go to Corral.net and pick up a set of used Edelbrocks if you are on a budget for about $500-$600.
Posted by wilit (Member # 3367) on
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Edelbrock E-Streets are $900 new. I seem to remember GT40Y heads being relatively inexpensive too.
Posted by nasty93 (Member # 8935) on
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i had some edelbrock performers on my old motor and they were hella fun even with the stock 5.0 cam.
Posted by 92stangLX (Member # 3252) on
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Trick Flow and Edelbrock are both solid choices. The GT40X heads are supposted to be ok.
Bottom line.. go with a set of Aluminum heads
Posted by SLOWSN95 (Member # 8269) on
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I will definitely be going with a set of aluminium heads. The biggest decision is to choose which one. I think I might just go with a set of heads that have a good rep like the eddys or svo heads just to be safe. Idk if I should go with a 2.02 or 1.90 intake. Any suggestions? And depending on which size I choose, could I use 1.7 rr or should I play it safe with 1.6?
Posted by Blubyu87gt (Member # 9427) on
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I went with the X306 heads and really like the looks/sound/performance they provide. Go on 5.0 Resto and see some of the kits they have. If I remember correctly I paid a bit under 2000 when I got mine.
Posted by SLOWSN95 (Member # 8269) on
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Originally posted by Blubyu87gt:
I went with the X306 heads and really like the looks/sound/performance they provide. Go on 5.0 Resto and see some of the kits they have. If I remember correctly I paid a bit under 2000 when I got mine.
I wish I had that kind of cash to buy some nice heads.. but I'm kinda on a budget
Posted by Ryan_LX (Member # 7089) on
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You get what you pay for!! Save up until you can afford a set of quality aluminum heads like AFR or trick flow. That will make or break your set up. As for rr I would fo with 1.6s to be safe.
Posted by SLOWSN95 (Member # 8269) on
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Originally posted by Ryan_LX:
You get what you pay for!! Save up until you can afford a set of quality aluminum heads like AFR or trick flow. That will make or break your set up. As for rr I would fo with 1.6s to be safe.
I'm not really familiar with PTV clearence.. is there anyway I can figure out whether or not I could use a 1.7rr with a 1.90 intake?
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on
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Originally posted by SLOWSN95:
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Originally posted by Ryan_LX:
You get what you pay for!! Save up until you can afford a set of quality aluminum heads like AFR or trick flow. That will make or break your set up. As for rr I would fo with 1.6s to be safe.
I'm not really familiar with PTV clearence.. is there anyway I can figure out whether or not I could use a 1.7rr with a 1.90 intake?
All production engines are different so just because a setup worked on someone elses car doesnt mean it will work on another car with the exact same part's. So if You have stock piston's then You might want to go with AFR 165 or twisted wedge. Head's and cam will make or break a setup so save for the good ones!
Posted by 915.0gt (Member # 9518) on
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Leave room to grow, no matter what u buy. for a set of aluminum heads If it was me looking for a set on a budget I would go with the edlebrock performer heads or for like 300 more you could have the afr or twisted wedges.
buy a set of 1.7rr before you buy the heads, then when you are doing the head swap bolt them onto the heads, get some clay, lay down the gasket on he block put a small "pancake" on one of the pistons bolt the head down (you probly don't need to torque it to specs) then pull the head back off and see if you are having any clearance issues because of the 1.7s, if you are then stick the stockers back on and sell/trade for some 1.6s
Posted by clone nprogrss (Member # 10342) on
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id mess round n get the afr's!
Posted by SF Coupe (Member # 1810) on
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AFR 165, 321/339rw on my little 302 that stops making power at 5800rpm.
Posted by SLOWSN95 (Member # 8269) on
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Thanks for all of the replies fellas
Looks like I will be looking into all 3 (eddys, afr, TW). It all comes down to pricing and what kind of deal I can get on the heads. I understand that the heads are thee most important part of making power, but for a full time college student and part time worker, I have to make a couple sacrifices along the line. For an investment like this, I will not be in a rush so hopefully a great deal will come up!!
Posted by Nastysvt (Member # 6431) on
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after you knock out majority of your general ed. get a full time job and then school part time like me make money and get an education while still building your car
Posted by SLOWSN95 (Member # 8269) on
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Originally posted by Nastysvt:
after you knock out majority of your general ed. get a full time job and then school part time like me make money and get an education while still building your car
Hey Phil.. shut up
lol jk
[ January 09, 2011, 06:09 AM: Message edited by: SLOWSN95 ]
Posted by clone nprogrss (Member # 10342) on
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if i were 2 buy sum alluminum heads afr's is tha way 2 go bud!!n sfcoupe what u mean ur set up stopped makin power after 5800??what else u runnin wit those heads??
Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on
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Originally posted by 915.0gt:
buy a set of 1.7rr before you buy the heads
Why buy 1.7 rockers, only to limit yourself on cam selection? And yes, you do torque the heads when checking PTV clearance...and put a head gasket in there as well. When you're talking .039-.044 thickness for a HG, plus the torque, it can make/break a setup working.
My advice...buy a set of used heads/rockers/pushrods from someone upgrading their combo. You get matched parts for cheap...that's what I did with my first build.
Posted by SLOWSN95 (Member # 8269) on
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Originally posted by JohnB:
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Originally posted by 915.0gt:
buy a set of 1.7rr before you buy the heads
Why buy 1.7 rockers, only to limit yourself on cam selection? And yes, you do torque the heads when checking PTV clearance...and put a head gasket in there as well. When you're talking .039-.044 thickness for a HG, plus the torque, it can make/break a setup working.
My advice...buy a set of used heads/rockers/pushrods from someone upgrading their combo. You get matched parts for cheap...that's what I did with my first build.
I have already purchased my cam which is a TFS 1 (.499/.510 lift with 1.6s) I have been extremely curious how compatible the cam would be with different types of heads and whether or not I can get more of a lift out of them. But I couldn't pass up an EXTREMELY low milage tfs1 for the price that I got it for.
John, what would be the best route for me to go if I want to try to fit 1.7s? I heard an edelbrock 2.02 intake would hit for sure, but 1.90s wouldn't? Not too familiar with cylinder heads so any knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Posted by SF Coupe (Member # 1810) on
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Originally posted by clone nprogrss:
if i were 2 buy sum alluminum heads afr's is tha way 2 go bud!!n sfcoupe what u mean ur set up stopped makin power after 5800??what else u runnin wit those heads??
The cam is a street/strip cam designed to make power below 6000rpm. It's impressive to make that power without having to rev the piss out of the motor. It matches perfectly for my road racing application, once you start going above 6500rpm for extended periods on a stock block you will be replacing stock blocks frequently.
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