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Posted by Larry (Member # 5176) on :
 
Just got the car back last Sat. on 91 octane with 1 can of Toroc Unleaded in tank pulled 841.6 RWHP and 652 lbs. tq. Torque level held all the way to 7000 RPM. (did not drop at all)

Built and tuned by Speed Freaks...by the way am running Methanol Water injection for my coolingagent...65 lb injectors maxed out at this HP....also Methanol injectors need to be larger or need 2 injectors into throttle body.
only pulling 16 lbs. of boost at 7000 rpm

Have waited 17 months for these results.
 

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Posted by 88DroptopGT (Member # 2535) on :
 
Post up your set-up!
 

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Posted by Larry (Member # 5176) on :
 
When I get to the office ,will scan dyno results and post...do not have scanner at home
 

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Posted by BlowN67 (Member # 4229) on :
 
dayum Larry, congrats. i bet ur stoke with these results. u got to give me a call one of these days for a joy ride.
 

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Posted by Pure Stang (Member # 7251) on :
 
wow great numbers! i wish i can have 1/2 of the numbers you make
 

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Posted by Larry (Member # 5176) on :
 
just a quick note...this was on a Mustang Dyno,whish registers 10% less rwhp than a dyno jet.
 

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Posted by BlowN67 (Member # 4229) on :
 
ur gonna make me finish my 32v project now.
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 

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Originally posted by Larry:
just a quick note...this was on a Mustang Dyno,whish registers 10% less rwhp than a dyno jet.

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Very, VERY, nice numbers....

.....but Mustangs Dynos do not read 10% lower than dynojets, reguardless of the common myth.

That particular dyno and facility is famous for throwing down outrageously high dyno numbers for a given setup. Also, Mustang Dyno's allow the ability to warp dyno numbers very easily.

I guess the only accurate meassure of RWHP is the quarter mile trap speeds vs. vehical weight.

A bunch of CaFords people will be out at the track this Saturday. See you there?
 

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Posted by twins (Member # 5069) on :
 
Damn, those are the highest t trim #s ive ever seen. i should have just went with a t trim istead of my tt kit. why didnt anyone tell me this was possible:confused:

[ December 13, 2007, 02:14 PM: Message edited by: twins ]
 

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Posted by Larry (Member # 5176) on :
 
As I stated..it's not just the t-trim..I am only putting out 16 lbs.of boost ,when the blower is capable of 26 lbs. It's my head work (320 intake and 235 exhaust hand ported, stage 2 cams,etc....)Menthaol,1/2 fuel rails and lines,1000 series Aeromotive fuel pump, along with special ordered parts for the motor capable of over 1400 hp. 10 qt. Canton with windage tray,special built oil pump,a whole lot of extras too many to mention.

And to 94 Gt! Don"t know where you get your info. on Speed Freaks exagerating their Dyno No.'s..I have seen guys come out of their shop dissappointed with their results based on other Dynos..But Ravi would make no adjustments. I have also seen cars come from another Dyno, Dyno Jet and make much less HP than on Ravi's dyno.That was Performance Dyno..A very good shop.

Statements like this about another Competitor is very unprofessional.
 

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Posted by Larry (Member # 5176) on :
 
As I stated..it's not just the t-trim..I am only putting out 16 lbs.of boost ,when the blower is capable of 26 lbs. It's my head work (320 intake and 235 exhaust hand ported, stage 2 cams,etc....)Menthaol,1/2 fuel rails and lines,1000 series Aeromotive fuel pump, along with special ordered parts for the motor capable of over 1400 hp. 10 qt. Canton with windage tray,special built oil pump,a whole lot of extras too many to mention.

And to 94 Gt! Don"t know where you get your info. on Speed Freaks exagerating their Dyno No.'s..I have seen guys come out of their shop dissappointed with their results based on other Dynos..But Ravi would make no adjustments. I have also seen cars come from another Dyno, Dyno Jet and make much more HP than on Ravi's dyno.That was Performance Dyno..A very good shop.

Statements like this about another Competitor is very unprofessional.

Sorry...this posted twice..not intended.

[ December 13, 2007, 07:56 PM: Message edited by: Larry ]
 

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Posted by Larry (Member # 5176) on :
 
I have an E-Mail from Mustang Dyno I would like to forward to this post. How do I do it!

thanks for your help,Larry
 

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Posted by Thirteen Twenty (Member # 7961) on :
 

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Originally posted by Yellow94GT:

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Originally posted by Larry:
just a quick note...this was on a Mustang Dyno,whish registers 10% less rwhp than a dyno jet.

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Very, VERY, nice numbers....

.....but Mustangs Dynos do not read 10% lower than dynojets, reguardless of the common myth.

That particular dyno and facility is famous for throwing down outrageously high dyno numbers for a given setup. Also, Mustang Dyno's allow the ability to warp dyno numbers very easily.

I guess the only accurate meassure of RWHP is the quarter mile trap speeds vs. vehical weight.

A bunch of CaFords people will be out at the track this Saturday. See you there?

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I too have heard about mustang dyno's putting out low numbers, but very repeatable numbers. I've dyno'd on a mustang dyno at full function and thought the numbers were low. I talked to my machine shop and they informed me about the low but repeatable numbers, rumor was that you could dyno anywhere and get the same numbers with a mustang. I also talked to an individual that same day who dyno'd where I did and then dyno'd the next day on a superflow I think he said and claimed a 50 hp difference. Simply put there not supposed to be great for bragging right's but good for using between mods and seeing the gains a certain mod makes for you.
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
Ravi tuned your car? Nice numbers, goodluck with that
 

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Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 

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Originally posted by Larry:
I have an E-Mail from Mustang Dyno I would like to forward to this post. How do I do it!

thanks for your help,Larry

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Your car sound's like a beast ! Sound's like You have a well thought out combo so don't worry about constructive crtisism . I'm not sticking up for Drew but as You know "and Drew stated" the best way to get a true HP # is to go to the strip and weigh Your vehicle & get Your trap speed & then there is no dispute betweeen different dyno's & shop's ect.... You going to be running on slick's or DR's? You going to trailer it to the strip or drive it? Any pic's of the car? I am waiting for a new tune before I get Mine out again because I have done alot of thing's since My last tune and am tired of messing with it and changing head gasket's
 

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Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
Damn, what the hell are you going to do with all that horsepower? Even if the "real #'s" are 100hp lower, that is still 200hp more than I will ever experience.

Is your car set up to handle all that power? If so you are going to be screaming down the track!!
 

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Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 

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Originally posted by Larry:


Have waited 17 months for these results.

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Should very well be worth the wait.

Nice numbers, can't wait to see it run!
 

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Posted by Don (Member # 938) on :
 
Larry don't waste your time with the Drag Radials you have(use them on the street). I have a set of 16in Mustang rims at the house. Buy some 28 X 11.50 X 16 ET streets, and that will put you at the 142mph you will need with that amount of power. The 26in tall DRs you have will make you have to go into 5th, which is a waste of time for your first time at the track, trying to prove your HP numbers.
 

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Posted by Larry (Member # 5176) on :
 
Thanks Don! Will take you up on your offer and get the 28 " tires.

As far as My Cobra have almost all I need for traction ,tubular k mem.,A frames 6 pt. Adj, shocks upper and lower control larms,sub frame conn., 6 pt. roll cage,Gregs alum. drive shaft,Tri mec Cobra R 6 speed with 26 spline in put shaft, 410 Eaaton Posi, with metal clutch pacs,31 spline Moser axels.Mccloud twin disc clutch rated at 1200 lbs tq.

[ December 13, 2007, 07:50 PM: Message edited by: Larry ]
 

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Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
Im sure you will have to get the chassis tuned in and get used to driving the car, but once that is up to par and reflects the performance of your engine, you will be flying down the quarter..if that is your goal.
 

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Posted by BlowN67 (Member # 4229) on :
 
just got off the phone with LARRY, man does it sound like a beast. from my impression he built this car to tear up the streets. running on pump gas. give me a call when its my turn to take out for the joy ride. congrats
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 

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Originally posted by Larry:
As I stated..it's not just the t-trim..I am only putting out 16 lbs.of boost ,when the blower is capable of 26 lbs. It's my head work (320 intake and 235 exhaust hand ported, stage 2 cams,etc....)Menthaol,1/2 fuel rails and lines,1000 series Aeromotive fuel pump, along with special ordered parts for the motor capable of over 1400 hp. 10 qt. Canton with windage tray,special built oil pump,a whole lot of extras too many to mention.

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Originally posted by cummins:

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Originally posted by Larry:
As I stated..it's not just the t-trim..I am only putting out 16 lbs.of boost ,when the blower is capable of 26 lbs. It's my head work (320 intake and 235 exhaust hand ported, stage 2 cams,etc....)Menthaol,1/2 fuel rails and lines,1000 series Aeromotive fuel pump, along with special ordered parts for the motor capable of over 1400 hp. 10 qt. Canton with windage tray,special built oil pump,a whole lot of extras too many to mention.

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Those numbers look like supra dyno's LOL.

You have an A1000 fuel pump? Those things are only rated to 800 FI. I would think you'd run out of pump before then. I know that when I had that pump I could only do around 600 with it before I wasn't able to generate enough flow. And when the sucker was ran hard and got hot it really dropped off bad.

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Good stuff Larry, can't wait to see it run!

I'm turning over 700 rwhp with a A1000 and have no issues...maybe that BS is a import thing??

 

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Posted by kingmoochr (Member # 5834) on :
 
as for dyno numbers, you can make them read anything you want. repeatability is the important part. i can change 1 number and make your kn air filter increase your wheel hp 75hp. doesnt mean shit in real life. biggest thing is tuning it in with the af, if you cant brag with your mph, it aint worth much
 

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Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 

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Originally posted by kingmoochr:
as for dyno numbers, you can make them read anything you want. repeatability is the important part. i can change 1 number and make your kn air filter increase your wheel hp 75hp. doesnt mean shit in real life. biggest thing is tuning it in with the af, if you cant brag with your mph, it aint worth much

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I agree check My sig !
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 

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Originally posted by JohnB:

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Originally posted by cummins:

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Originally posted by Larry:
As I stated..it's not just the t-trim..I am only putting out 16 lbs.of boost ,when the blower is capable of 26 lbs. It's my head work (320 intake and 235 exhaust hand ported, stage 2 cams,etc....)Menthaol,1/2 fuel rails and lines,1000 series Aeromotive fuel pump, along with special ordered parts for the motor capable of over 1400 hp. 10 qt. Canton with windage tray,special built oil pump,a whole lot of extras too many to mention.

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Those numbers look like supra dyno's LOL.

You have an A1000 fuel pump? Those things are only rated to 800 FI. I would think you'd run out of pump before then. I know that when I had that pump I could only do around 600 with it before I wasn't able to generate enough flow. And when the sucker was ran hard and got hot it really dropped off bad.

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Good stuff Larry, can't wait to see it run!

I'm turning over 700 rwhp with a A1000 and have no issues...maybe that BS is a import thing??

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I have the aeromotive pro series pump. My pump is bigger than yours.
 

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Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
we should have a who has the biggest pump contest lol. I'll take some pics of my beast for you!
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 

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Originally posted by Larry:
As I stated..it's not just the t-trim..I am only putting out 16 lbs.of boost ,when the blower is capable of 26 lbs. It's my head work (320 intake and 235 exhaust hand ported, stage 2 cams,etc....)Menthaol,1/2 fuel rails and lines,1000 series Aeromotive fuel pump, along with special ordered parts for the motor capable of over 1400 hp. 10 qt. Canton with windage tray,special built oil pump,a whole lot of extras too many to mention.

And to 94 Gt! Don"t know where you get your info. on Speed Freaks exagerating their Dyno No.'s..I have seen guys come out of their shop dissappointed with their results based on other Dynos..But Ravi would make no adjustments. I have also seen cars come from another Dyno, Dyno Jet and make much less HP than on Ravi's dyno.That was Performance Dyno..A very good shop.

Statements like this about another Competitor is very unprofessional.

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Now see, you only think I'm unprofessional. If you knew me, you would know for a fact that I am very unprofessional. I don't even charge tax when my customers pay me with beer!

I was not trying to bash on the other guys shop. So I appologize if that is how I came off. I've just heard stuff through the rumor mill and current customers as I'm sure people have heard things about my shop. All I was trying to get out there is that dyno's aren't the most accurate meassure of power, (but they sure a fun tool to use to bench race with).

I'm sure you have a stout running machine and I can't wait to scope out the competition when it comes to the track.
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 

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Originally posted by jayl:
we should have a who has the biggest pump contest lol. I'll take some pics of my beast for you!

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When I take pics of my pump I have to use the panoramic view!!!

JohnnyB has to use the "Zoom In" function.

[ December 14, 2007, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: cummins ]
 

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Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
LOL

I think you have more cash in lines and fittings than most have in their entire fuel system!! I know thats how i feel when i look at mine. Thank god I didn't have to spend it all!
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
hahahaah and that was only 1/2 of it. If I knew that foo was gonna post up the pic I would have thrown the other bottle in. Dude says "can you send me a pic of your cage I want to get mine done and need ideas." 2 second later he posts it up.....WTF!!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by Larry (Member # 5176) on :
 
No issues with the pump...could be you need the 1/2' fuel lines and fuel rails...delivery does help.
 

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Posted by Larry (Member # 5176) on :
 
Hi Larry,
The main difference between the Mustang and the Dynojet is that a Mustang
is a loading dyno and the Dynojet is an inertia dyno.

With an inertia dyno, the only load being placed on the vehicle is the
weight of the rollers. With the Dynojet, that weight is only about 2600lbs.
So if you are tuning a car on the Dynojet, you are tuning the engine to push
around 2600lbs. That's fine on the dyno, but as soon as you get the car on
the street, the car probably weighs closer to 3500lbs. So the engine you
just tuned to push around 2600lbs is pushing around about a 1000lbs more
weight. This additional load on the engine is going to cause the engine to
detonate.

Whereas the Mustang is a loading dyno. We have an electromagnetic brake
called an Eddy Current that allows us to apply additional load on to the
vehicle. We also have a patented program called Road Load Simulation. With
this program, we can simulate the weight and aerodynamic drag of the
vehicle. So when you are tuning the engine on the dyno, you are tuning it
to the amount of load that it normally sees on the street and therefore it
won't detonate when on the street.

As for the Dynojet reading higher than the Mustang, that is correct. But
if you look at almost all of the other dyno manufacturers out there, they
read numbers closer to ours. About 6 months ago, there was a magazine
article in "Sportscar International." This article was an interview with
Mark Dobeck, the founder and original owner of Dynojet. In the articles he
goes on to explain when he made his first motorcycle dyno, they weren't
getting wheel horsepower numbers that he thought a certain motorcycle should
get. So he incorporated a fudge factor into the number. That fudge factor
has been present ever since in all of their dynos. That is why they tend to
have higher dyno numbers than other dyno manufacturers.

If you have any other questions, please let me know.

Thanks,

Tim Gentil
Sales Engineer
Mustang Dynamometer
2300 Pinnacle Parkway
Twinsburg, OH 44087
Ph: (330) 963-5400 Ext. 211
Toll Free: 1-888-468-7826 ext. 211
Fax: (330) 425-3310
Email: tim.gentil@mustangdyne.com


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Name: LARRY HICKEY
E-mail: HICKEY@CBXR.COM
Company: COLDWELL BANKER
Phone: 2094017839
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Comments: WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE PRIMARY DIFFERANCE BETWEEN A MUSTANG
DYNO AND A DYNOJET. I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY VERY RESPECTABLE RACERS AND TUNERS
THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY DETONATE ON A DYNO JET DUE TO NO LOAD PLACED. ALSO A
DYNO JET GIVES RWHP RESULTS 10% HIGHER THAN A MUSTANG DYNO.?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR EARLY REPLY

LARRY



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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 

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Originally posted by Larry:
No issues with the pump...could be you need the 1/2' fuel lines and fuel rails...delivery does help.

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I don't even charge tax when my customers pay me with beer!

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Sounds like a good deal,I'll have to remember that.
 

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