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89Rodknocker
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Does anybody know of any and if anyone's running it what do you think.
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2stangs69-91
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I have run it for years and had alot of luck with it. There is tons of info on it on the Web. it was first used in planes in world war 2(pretty sure that was the one) the cons my pump had a intermitant problem last summer and before I could get it fixed .I ovaled a set of expensive head gaskets. I didn't even let it ping as soon as I heard it I shut it down.
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69 Mustang on hold
1991 LX hatch getting a make over
1994 F150 4X4 351
2006 Yamaha V-max 1200 Modded
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92stangLX
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I have not had any personal experience with it... but I know it would suck to have it run dry at full boost ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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2stangs69-91
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I have never had it run dry in over 3 years of having one. I had a pump failure, that did suck but I am going to run it again because when you get the timming all in and the tune is right, It gives a big boost in HP on a pump gass setup.
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69 Mustang on hold
1991 LX hatch getting a make over
1994 F150 4X4 351
2006 Yamaha V-max 1200 Modded
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purple hatch
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I ran it it worked out great.I would run it again. ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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89Rodknocker
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I heard it can cause wear in parts and like pitting of the cyl heads. and due to the corrosive nature of meth. eat away at stuff.
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94 gt runner (sold)
89 lx Stock(sold)
86 gt T-trim (sold)
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2stangs69-91
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not at all, I have my heads off and they look just as good as they have always looked. Same heads the entire time with the meth-injection kit. It is a vapor buy the time it hits the heads anyhow.
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69 Mustang on hold
1991 LX hatch getting a make over
1994 F150 4X4 351
2006 Yamaha V-max 1200 Modded
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kingmoochr
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methanol 100% is corrosive if allowed to sit in basically anything. i work with sprint cars that run straight methanol as a fuel. the an fittings take a beating over time, but theres no evidence on anything else that you arent using gasoline, other than the way the meth mixes with oil. the meth mix used in injection kits is basically the same as windshield washer fluid, and people rarely have problems with their washer fluid eating its way through anything. that being said, i had some, and blew my motor putting it into peak torque going up a hill on a freeway. my tune was probably mostly to blame, but just like any mod, its yet another area to create a problem. i would be more hesitant to use it on a street car because its much more difficult to tune for partial load jumps and many other things that arent as basic as slamming the throttle from a stop.
[ December 05, 2007, 02:54 AM: Message edited by: kingmoochr ]
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88DroptopGT
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Pros:
Add more timing for more power
VERY cheap in the $/HP range
Can run pump gas setup with big boost = big power
Lower intake temps during hot weather (finicky turbo setups in the summer, etc)
Cons:
You run dry = blown HG, major detonation, scorched internals, etc
Can clog nozzles with cheap kits or debris in tank
Another system to maintain for your car
More frequent oil changes are needed
And corrosion only happens when ETHANOL is used, but this should not occur since METHANOL is what we are talking about here. In fact, a water-based injection system actually "cleans" the residue oil-based fuel engines leave inside the internals.
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89Rodknocker
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Is anybody running it on a street car with no issues. I have the anderson kit but haven't installed it yet.
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94 gt runner (sold)
89 lx Stock(sold)
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2stangs69-91
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you do not need more frequent oil changes with a water meth kit lol. now thats funny. You are only using this kit above about 4 psi of injection. It injects a small amount. The only issue i saw with extended street use was I lost a couple of IAC motors. because of the alch. I mentioned I had a prob withmy kit. I probably should have caught it. it is like anything else on a HP car you have to check kit operations every so often. It had been awhile since I checked mine because it always worked so good.
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69 Mustang on hold
1991 LX hatch getting a make over
1994 F150 4X4 351
2006 Yamaha V-max 1200 Modded
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89Saleen310
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haha, I saw this and was like "WTF?".
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SLOWBACK 67
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Originally posted by 73beast351c:
haha, I saw this and was like "WTF?".
LOL!!!!!!
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Originally posted by turbo50:
I have no intenions of keeping anyones parts or taking anyones money.
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kingmoochr
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Originally posted by 88DroptopGT:
And corrosion only happens when ETHANOL is used, but this should not occur since METHANOL is what we are talking about here. In fact, a water-based injection system actually "cleans" the residue oil-based fuel engines leave inside the internals.
methanol is highly corrosive. i can send you some now-junk alum fittings from the methanol powered sprint car at the shop if you need proof.
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66 AC COBRA
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got any headers lying around from those sprint cars, need some spreadport stuff ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
methanol is more corrosive than ethanol, buy far
and dont drink, not good
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vpr_klr
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Originally posted by 89Rodknocker:
Does anybody know of any and if anyone's running it what do you think.
Don't do it on a street car. Don't!
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kingmoochr
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Originally posted by 66 AC COBRA:
got any headers lying around from those sprint cars, need some spreadport stuff
methanol is more corrosive than ethanol, buy far
and dont drink, not good
actually, if you seriously wanted to purchase a set, i think we have 1 or 2 we arent using. they come horizontally out from sbc heads about 8 inches and head for the ground for about 18 inches, then back, if you arent familiar with them
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getjobdone
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Originally posted by 73beast351c:
haha, I saw this and was like "WTF?".
hahah funny you mention that, I thought the same damn thing!
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88DroptopGT
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Originally posted by kingmoochr:
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Originally posted by 88DroptopGT:
And corrosion only happens when ETHANOL is used, but this should not occur since METHANOL is what we are talking about here. In fact, a water-based injection system actually "cleans" the residue oil-based fuel engines leave inside the internals.
methanol is highly corrosive. i can send you some now-junk alum fittings from the methanol powered sprint car at the shop if you need proof.
I understand about the properties of methanol but the case of sporadic injection into a boosted SBF is what I was concentrating upon. Thanks for the proof though.
Pure methanol is a solvent..
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2stangs69-91
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Originally posted by vpr_klr:
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Originally posted by 89Rodknocker:
Does anybody know of any and if anyone's running it what do you think.
Don't do it on a street car. Don't!
I am sorry but that is rediculas it is designed for a street car. They work like they are designed. If anything do not do it on a race car.
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kingmoochr
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they arent "designed" for a street car, and theyve been in use in racing MUCH longer than on the street. and to the other guy, your statement paraphrased was ethanol is more corrosive than meth. its not. they are both alcohols - hence the 'anol
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2stangs69-91
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I keep reading this and I can't believe the crap I keep seeing. THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR STREET CARS period!!!!!!! argh
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happygmore
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Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
I am sorry but that is rediculas it is designed for a street car. They work like they are designed.
If anything do not do it on a race car.
dude you are an idiot. Methanol has a cooler substance that fuel and you are able to throw more power at an engine with boost, n20 because of the cooling temperatures which helps avoid any knocking.
So i guess i better tell my friend that runs Methanol for fuel and has meth injection for cooling that he better not do it on his race car, he will go from 8's to 10's! bwahahahaa
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happygmore
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Originally posted by kingmoochr:
methanol is highly corrosive. i can send you some now-junk alum fittings from the methanol powered sprint car at the shop if you need proof.
there is always a fix to everything.
1. yes it is corrosive but...
2. if you get anodized fittings and proper fuel lines and a plastic fuel tank or reservoir, you wont have that problem.
3. they also reccomend if the car is going to sit for a while to prime your system with fuel.
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2stangs69-91
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Originally posted by happygmore:
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Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
I am sorry but that is rediculas it is designed for a street car. They work like they are designed.
If anything do not do it on a race car.
dude you are an idiot. Methanol has a cooler substance that fuel and you are able to throw more power at an engine with boost, n20 because of the cooling temperatures which helps avoid any knocking.
So i guess i better tell my friend that runs Methanol for fuel and has meth injection for cooling that he better not do it on his race car, he will go from 8's to 10's! bwahahahaa
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You are a NOBODY .Period who only has dumb ass things to say OK. Plus what the fuck did you even say? why don't you go read that shit...edit it so people can understand it and then call me a Idiot. I know almost everything there is to know about water-meth injection. But your friend is not getting the benifit from his set up that a person running pump gass would get....but you are not obviosly smart enough to understand this by your post. Anybody else but happygaymore want the info just pm me I will be glad to help. Dude do you even have a car? So your friend runs methonal for fuel and injects methonal for cooling? why not just run a bigger jet idiot.
[ December 08, 2007, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: 2stangs69-91 ]
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