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Topic: TURBO VS SUPERCHARGER-(as many responses possible please)
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351R
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this question has been asked before however anyone with a good I.Q on the topic please let me know(thanks alot)...
a.whats the big difference?
b.can any charger compete with turbo?
c.why is turbokit so expensive.
d.please give a general background on the topic.
e.how does procharger sc stand against turbo sc.
thanks for the replys-i will list why i asked the question later...
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Posts: 339 | From: prideland(featuring oakland) | Registered: Nov 2004
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93PONY
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a. Full boost at peak torque. A Centrifugal SC can't do that.
b. There are no SC kits readily available that make as much HP per LB of boost than a good Turbo setup.
c. You have to pay to play. Turbo kits have many more parts than SC kits...including much of the exhaust system.
d. www.turbomustangs.com
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Posts: 4266 | From: Fair Oaks, CA | Registered: Nov 2000
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talaposa
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Two other items to add: The turbo will give better fuel economy relative to the centrifugal but the centrifugal will give better low rpm boost. No doubt whatsoever that the turbo will deliver the top end Horsepower.
Posts: 91 | From: Auburn,CA | Registered: Feb 2003
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Originally posted by talaposa:
Two other items to add: The turbo will give better fuel economy relative to the centrifugal but the centrifugal will give better low rpm boost. No doubt whatsoever that the turbo will deliver the top end Horsepower.
definetly do not listen to this guy ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
hopefully you just got it backwards
and if you are worried about gas mileage drive a honda we are takin power ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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Posts: 6280 | From: Winters | Registered: Feb 2002
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Originally posted by talaposa:
Two other items to add: The turbo will give better fuel economy relative to the centrifugal but the centrifugal will give better low rpm boost. No doubt whatsoever that the turbo will deliver the top end Horsepower.
If you are going to take any advice from anyone. Dont take it from that person.
Posts: 2139 | From: SF/DALY CITY/MILLBRAE | Registered: Oct 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by talaposa:
Two other items to add: The turbo will give better fuel economy relative to the centrifugal but the centrifugal will give better low rpm boost. No doubt whatsoever that the turbo will deliver the top end Horsepower.
wow!
so far from the truth.
changing to a smaller AR will give you better boost at lower rpms, but may tap out at a higher Rpm. When choosing a turbo you need to see where you want your power to be and how much boost your going to push, then find a motor that will support the size turbo(s) you have.
going with a turbo is not cheap because you basically have to upgrade everything, but it will be a stout setup when done right. there is a ongoing joke of people who choose to go turbo will NEVER have a running car because its sooooo expensive.
Posts: 421 | From: west san jose | Registered: Oct 2006
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JohnB
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A. Cost. Cost is the primary hinderance to anyone who is doing a buildup. SC's are inherantly cheaper due to be a "all-inclusive" package, meaning you don't need alot of extras outside of the fuel system upgrades. Turbo's have issues like headers, piping, etc to deal with.
B. ProCharger. Hands down.
C. See item A.
D. SC's online has a good narrative.
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Posts: 6523 | From: Orlando FL/Redding CA | Registered: Mar 2002
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92stangLX
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quote:
Originally posted by 351R:
this question has been asked before however anyone with a good I.Q on the topic please let me know(thanks alot)...
a.whats the big difference?
b.can any charger compete with turbo?
c.why is turbokit so expensive.
d.please give a general background on the topic.
e.how does procharger sc stand against turbo sc.
thanks for the replys-i will list why i asked the question later...
A. Turbos don't run on belts so there is no parasitic HP loss like a blower. Turbo kits cost way more than blower kits probably 'cause of all the custom bent tubing and SC's like Vortech are produced in high volume and turbos usually require an intercooler. SC kits are easier to install. Some SC kits are 50 state legal. Tubros aren't (excpet Incon which is out of business).
B. Sure. What are your goals? There are blowers and turbos out there making mad HP.
C. Turbo kits cost way more than blower kits probably 'cause of all the custom bent tubing and SC's like Vortech are produced in high volume.
D. Please tell us what you're goals are. Do you just want to add a turbo/SC to your street car? Do you want it to be smog legal? Are you building an all out race machine?
E. Have no idea.
Posts: 5302 | From: San Francisco | Registered: Sep 2003
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onesicklx
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Originally posted by JohnB:
A. Cost. Cost is the primary hinderance to anyone who is doing a buildup.
i totally agree with you, but ive notice turbo kit prices going down on late model mustangs...
Posts: 1955 | From: san jose, CA | Registered: Jun 2001
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351R
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FIRST OFF I WONT BE LISTENING TO:talaposa
AND SECOND,I WANT THE ABOVE AVERAGE CAR,I HAVE JUST COMPLETED (DAVES ENGINES AND MACHINING)A DART BLOCK 428 ETC(SIZE WAS DECIDED BY BUILDER NOT ME ,I JUST SAID ITS YOUR PROJECT ,I WANTED A 408),WITH AFR 225,AND A F1R PROCHARGER WITH COOLER.THIS MIGHT SOUND SILLY BUT I JUST DONT WANT TO BE SCARED TO RACE A A GUY WITH A TURBO AND ALSO I JUST SEE ALOT OF PEOPLE CONVERTING TO TURBOS.WITH MY OLD V2 I HAD PROBLEMS WIT THE BELT BUT THIS ONE HAS COG PULLY BELT SYSTEM.I MEAN EVEN THE PERSON I PURCHASED MY KIT FROM SOLD ME THE KIT TO GET A TURBO SET UP.I KNOW EVEN WITH WHAT I HAVE WILL BE WAY MORE THAN AVERAGE BUT I GUESS IM JUST HELLA INDECISIVE.IM JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION...YOUR THOUGHTS
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Posts: 339 | From: prideland(featuring oakland) | Registered: Nov 2004
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Get blown by twins! (Turbos) They are the way to go!
Posts: 1183 | From: San Jose | Registered: Dec 2003
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if money is no object... turbo is the "in thing to do."
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Posts: 1917 | From: california | Registered: Apr 2006
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talaposa
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Interesting. There seems to be more bias than common sense. Check out WWW.superchargersonline.com and others that sell and install them and see what they have to say. The comparison is similar to comparing intake manifolds, cams and heads where the intended use should be compatible with the application. Healthy debate is always good.
Posts: 91 | From: Auburn,CA | Registered: Feb 2003
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93PONY
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Judging by the combo I'd guess that money & staying street legal aren't real issues.
I'd also guess this will be strickly a race-gas setup with 20+psi, so if mid/low 8's aren't good enough for you, you may want to go with a turbo setup.
I personally don't really see a need to for any more power than what you'll get with the F1R. It can put out WAY more power than you'll ever be able to use on the street.....if that's your thing. & it'll take a pourpose built suspenssion/chassis setup to take full advantage at the strip.
But if you are worried about a turbo car beating you with a similar combo.....you may want to go turbo or twin turbo. Most of the fastest street/strip EFI stangs out there are Turbo cars.
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Posts: 4266 | From: Fair Oaks, CA | Registered: Nov 2000
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tal. id take the word of enthusiasts over the word of salemen any day of the week. that being said, as was stated above, they will be basically equal on the drags. the beauty of turbos is they can be capable of full boost as low as 2500rpm, something a blower has trouble with. if you want to be able to drive around and not have a second thought about that supra that just pulled up to you on the highway, you need to join their realm. keep what you got if ur just dragging it.
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talaposa
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Dart 428? Sounds like some asphalt is going to be vulcanized. I put a 427 in my Falcon but I didn't put as much bite in it as you have planned. Still I have a hard time keeping the tires from spinning. Desktop dyno suggests 506 hp for my combo which means much, much more for yours. I'll hide if I see you coming!
Posts: 91 | From: Auburn,CA | Registered: Feb 2003
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351R
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THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I NEED TO HEAR FROM U-GUYS.BECAUSE REALLY I WANT I MAKE THE BEST DECISION FIRST,SO WITH THAT BEING SAID THANKS-I LEARNED A LITTLE MORE ABOUT TURBOS AND THE ARTICLE THAT JOHN B PUT ME UP ON HELP ALOT IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING...THANKS ALOT-GOD BLESS
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Posts: 339 | From: prideland(featuring oakland) | Registered: Nov 2004
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Originally posted by kingmoochr:
if you want to be able to drive around and not have a second thought about that supra that just pulled up to you on the highway, you need to join their realm.
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Posts: 3441 | From: The Rice Fields | Registered: Aug 2005
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TRY NOS way cheaper to start with and makes better power on warm to hot days...
Posts: 593 | From: Sac. | Registered: Mar 2002
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A no matter what you will never be the fastest LOL,
B The only reason I went procharger over turbo was I plan on doing some bracket racing and SC cars are easier to stage than turbo cars.(that is my opinion from talking with people who have run both).
C Turbo set ups are bitchen, one of the fastest cars on this board is a Procharger
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I have a turbo on my fox, it's a thing of beauty when it's running, (the key word when it's running).
At the moment it's down, but will have it up and running shortly.
IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY AND THE TIME BUY A TURBO!!!
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