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<table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="99%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#000000"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"> <tr bgcolor="#000099"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="2" color="#ffffff" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>T O P I C R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>STREETFIGHTER50</b> <br /><small>Member # 2973</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,1,0,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Just picked up some AFR 165's (Thanx Benny). Now need a few things to complete the package. Gonna order everything from Summit all at once. (Don't ask why, just need ASAP <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> ) Here's a few Q's:<br /><br />Which pushrods will work? The stock length is 6.272". The 4130 TrickFlow's I'm interested in are 6.250" then jump to 6.500" & so on. Would the 6.250's be a safe bet?<br /><br />What do yall think of TrickFlow's cams? Thinkin of going with the Stage II. Would this be too much?<br /><br />Other things needed on the list are:<br /><br />Edelbrock RPM II or BBK SSI intake?<br /><br />24lb or 30lb injectors?<br /><br />ARP head bolts for sure, but which head gaskets would u go with?<br /><br />The rest of the parts that'll be used on the combo are: Pro-M 75mm MA, 70mm TB, COMP Pro-Magnum 1.6 rockers, Hedmann 1 5/8" LT's, Magnaflow 2.5" off road X, 2.5" Magnaflow CB.<br /><br />5 speed w/3.55's in the rear. Car is mostly a street car/weekend warrior.<br /> <br /> <small>[ December 01, 2006, 12:20 AM: Message edited by: STREETFIGHTER50 ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>white50steve</b> <br /><small>Member # 5887</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,1,0,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> i would recomend head studs and heres a couple part #'s<br />engine gasket set TFS-51400914 <br />dowel pin locaters TFS-51400420 <br />the intakes you stated dont flow that well but are good if you need to smog the car. <br />if its a stock bottom end id reccomend an f cam if not and you have the clearance the stage 2 would be good. if you want the optimal cam call afr and ask them. i have a performer rpm for sale if interested. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>jordan_0806</b> <br /><small>Member # 5888</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,1,2,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> hmm..<br /><br />think the stage 2 might be too much lift on a stock block...<br /><br />6.250's will be perfect<br /><br />some brand new FMS lifters while youre at it<br /><br />30 lbers to be on the safe side<br /><br />RPM 2 most defintely<br /><br />some good long tubes<br /><br />ARP head bolts will be fine with an N/A car<br /><br />some type of MLS gasket---like a Cometic..way more expensive but well worth it....you can get them from Brother's Performance with FREE shipping for December<br /><br />A set of NGK VR4 spark plugs<br /><br />A good set of Wires<br /><br />2.5" magnaflow all the way out the back<br /><br />3.73s or 4.10's since you can rev the shit out of the car now....<br /><br />a good clutch---spec 2 or DFX <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Hungry Hippo</b> <br /><small>Member # 537</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,1,9,8,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> stock pushrods are fine and 24lb injectors are plenty for that combo <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>88bird</b> <br /><small>Member # 1424</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,2,11,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Gonna need longer studs for the pro magnums,( or you'll break the tip off) check with afr they sell some, or you can just get some for a chevy from summit.<br /><br />And the valvesprings will need to be upgraded for a stage two cam.<br /> <br /> <small>[ December 02, 2006, 11:57 AM: Message edited by: 88bird ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>FasterDamnit</b> <br /><small>Member # 442</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,2,12,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Stock cam retarded 4*, 1.7 rockers, Cobra or GT40 intake w/ ported lower, 24lbers, 76mm MAf, 70mm TB.<br /><br /><br />300rwhp and 340rwtq on a dynojet and stock driving behavior. <br /><br />Here's proof.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2003/06/afrinstall/" target="_blank">http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2003/06/afrinstall/</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>FasterDamnit</b> <br /><small>Member # 442</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,2,12,18,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Don't run Cometics without having the block surface prepped to their specifications. Good chance of leaks. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>STREETFIGHTER50</b> <br /><small>Member # 2973</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,2,22,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 88bird:<br /><strong> Gonna need longer studs for the pro magnums,( or you'll break the tip off) check with afr they sell some, or you can just get some for a chevy from summit.<br /><br />And the valvesprings will need to be upgraded for a stage two cam. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">How about the TrickFlow 1.6 rockers? Would I still need longer studs? Also, would the stage 1 be a better choice then?<br /> <br /> <small>[ December 02, 2006, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: STREETFIGHTER50 ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>FasterDamnit</b> <br /><small>Member # 442</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,3,10,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by STREETFIGHTER50:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 88bird:<br /><strong> Gonna need longer studs for the pro magnums,( or you'll break the tip off) check with afr they sell some, or you can just get some for a chevy from summit.<br /><br />And the valvesprings will need to be upgraded for a stage two cam. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">How about the TrickFlow 1.6 rockers? Would I still need longer studs? Also, would the stage 1 be a better choice then? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What are your specific goals? All out power and ET? <br /><br />How much power do you want?<br /><br />Does it have to have a decent idle and good daily driveability?<br /><br />Do you need it to pass smog without having to change cams? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>STREETFIGHTER50</b> <br /><small>Member # 2973</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,3,17,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by FasterDamnit:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by STREETFIGHTER50:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 88bird:<br /><strong> Gonna need longer studs for the pro magnums,( or you'll break the tip off) check with afr they sell some, or you can just get some for a chevy from summit.<br /><br />And the valvesprings will need to be upgraded for a stage two cam. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">How about the TrickFlow 1.6 rockers? Would I still need longer studs? Also, would the stage 1 be a better choice then? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What are your specific goals? All out power and ET? <br /><br />How much power do you want?<br /><br />Does it have to have a decent idle and good daily driveability?<br /><br />Do you need it to pass smog without having to change cams? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It's gonna be a street car, mostly on the weekends. Maybe strip once in a great while. No smog, it's goin in my cousin's 66 FB, but a nice healthy sounding cam would be great to listen to. A torquey, 300 HP motor would be nice with his 5 speed <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ December 03, 2006, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: STREETFIGHTER50 ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>FasterDamnit</b> <br /><small>Member # 442</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,3,17,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> The Comp Cams XE274 would rock, but the stock springs on the AFR165's won't hack it. Stick w/ 1.6 rockers. It will have a cool sounding idle and kick ass up to 6k. Read AFR's info. on these heads and their recommendations for springs--> <a href="http://airflowresearch.com/165sbf_sh.php" target="_blank">http://airflowresearch.com/165sbf_sh.php</a><br /><br />If you have to stick w/ the stock springs and are going to stay w/ hydro roller lifters, then don't go any bigger than the TF stage 1 cam. You can run 1.7 rockers w/ it for a bit more lift and be at the limit of the stock springs. Just don't expect the stock springs to rev too far past 5500 w/ hydro rollers. At least not for long.<br /><br /><br />You could consider a solid flat tappet cam. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>88bird</b> <br /><small>Member # 1424</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,3,19,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Yes the trick flow rockers will be ok, especially with the 7/16 studs. But afr recommends a longer stud specifically for the promagnum rockers. Call afr. It used to be posted on their website but I couldn't find it yesterday when I looked.<br /><br />You can call ed curtis for a better spring setup if you want to run a high lift cam and lots of rpm.<br /> <br /> <small>[ December 03, 2006, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: 88bird ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>STREETFIGHTER50</b> <br /><small>Member # 2973</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,3,19,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> If I don't wanna have to buy longer rocker studs or upgrade the valve springs. TFS stage I cam & 1.7 rockers be the best choice then or just stick with the TFS 1.6 rockers? Also, hydraulic lifters will stay.<br /> <br /> <small>[ December 03, 2006, 07:59 PM: Message edited by: STREETFIGHTER50 ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>white50steve</b> <br /><small>Member # 5887</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,4,5,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> if he's putting it in a 66 id put a carb on it <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>red GT black rallyes</b> <br /><small>Member # 4495</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,4,15,15,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I would upgrade the springs anyway <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>STREETFIGHTER50</b> <br /><small>Member # 2973</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,11,4,23,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Thanks for all the feedback yall. Went with a 75mm MA, 70mm TB, TrackHeat intake, TFS stage I cam, & TFS 1.6 RR's as well. <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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