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Posted by yohuallin (Member # 4452) on
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well im getting a roller this weekend and i was wondering how hard is to swap the motors, both are v8s fox, 1989 and 1990, any input would be apreciatted ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on
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ho.. when are you getting the roller? are you still thinking about swaping the whole thing?
Let me know... either way i'll help you.
Posted by 2ToNE ToNe (Member # 4216) on
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it took eddie510 its50 and me to swap 1 motor ..in about2 days if thats only because we were missing harware..like gaskets,and little shit like that...but point being it shouldn't take that long if its a long block.ready to install.its just a matter of connecting the wires back,tranny and clutch aslong as your able to do that..everything shold be down hill from there..trust me we're no experts and we did it
Posted by 2ToNE ToNe (Member # 4216) on
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ohh...you gonna need a shit full of tools also
Posted by yohuallin (Member # 4452) on
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Originally posted by 2ToNE ToNe:
it took eddie510 its50 and me to swap 1 motor ..in about2 days if thats only because we were missing harware..like gaskets,and little shit like that...but point being it shouldn't take that long if its a long block.ready to install.its just a matter of connecting the wires back,tranny and clutch aslong as your able to do that..everything shold be down hill from there..trust me we're no experts and we did it
any wierd tools that you'd remember that are necessary... we are taking one motor out of one car and putting it into the other car... and prolly ill keep the other motor out of the other car... i dunno yet...
jersey im getting the roller on sat at the latest... i might need you to do me a favor with ur uncles truck ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
i dont want to drive the car ![[burnout]](graemlins/burnout.gif)
Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on
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engine hoist should be first on the list ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
special tools wise, you will need the fuel line clip tools, or use two small screw drivers to open them
other than whats needed to lift the engine, nothing special
might need a torque wrench, but not 100% needed
you should be able to complete the swap in a day
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on
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Originally posted by 66 AC COBRA:
engine hoist should be first on the list
special tools wise, you will need the fuel line clip tools, or use two small screw drivers to open them
other than whats needed to lift the engine, nothing special
might need a torque wrench, but not 100% needed
you should be able to complete the swap in a day
When You are in Eric's garage. ![[Whoo Whooooo!]](graemlins/woowoo.gif)
Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on
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Originally posted by SmokinLX:
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Originally posted by 66 AC COBRA:
engine hoist should be first on the list
special tools wise, you will need the fuel line clip tools, or use two small screw drivers to open them
other than whats needed to lift the engine, nothing special
might need a torque wrench, but not 100% needed
you should be able to complete the swap in a day
When You are in Eric's garage.
in my garage with three determined guys, i think 5 hours could do it
but there are a few factors that can prolong the process
beer
Fasterdamnit
Fasterdamnit's sense of humor
Fasterdamnits SVO
beer
Fasterdamnit
missing a tool
did I say Fasterdamnit
![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on
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Damn...5 hours? Maybe if I drank the entire night before, had a hangover, and took a hour long lunch..that'd take me 5 hours.
By myself.
Posted by Coupe (Member # 3001) on
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Originally posted by JohnB:
Damn...5 hours? Maybe if I drank the entire night before, had a hangover, and took a hour long lunch..that'd take me 5 hours.
By myself.
I once put a car together, bought a lightning, went to a birthday party, and had my wisdom teeth pulled. You aint got shit on that John!!
Posted by 87 (Member # 1549) on
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Originally posted by 2ToNE ToNe:
it took eddie510 its50 and me to swap 1 motor ..in about2 days if thats only because we were missing harware..like gaskets,and little shit like that...but point being it shouldn't take that long if its a long block.ready to install.its just a matter of connecting the wires back,tranny and clutch aslong as your able to do that..everything shold be down hill from there..trust me we're no experts and we did it
Nah bro, maybe your and me are no experts but eddie's been around the block and back numberous times when it comes to taking out an putting in new engines.
for the cabrillo block john b!
[ October 12, 2005, 02:33 AM: Message edited by: 87 ]
Posted by red GT black rallyes (Member # 4495) on
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oh and as for the tools u might need a clutch alignment tool, and just a bunch of others to long to list them all
Posted by MustangNate (Member # 4559) on
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What I usually do when I pull a motor is I pull the tranny out along with it. It's alot easier to put the clutch in and connect the tranny outside of the car than it is in the car. That's just my opinion though.
Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on
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Originally posted by JohnB:
Damn...5 hours? Maybe if I drank the entire night before, had a hangover, and took a hour long lunch..that'd take me 5 hours.
By myself.
pull two motors out of running cars, then put one back in, in under 5 hours with 1 guy
john your good, but not that good
even if u were, i would just send jim over to slow the process down
Posted by Coupe (Member # 3001) on
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Originally posted by 66 AC COBRA:
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Originally posted by JohnB:
Damn...5 hours? Maybe if I drank the entire night before, had a hangover, and took a hour long lunch..that'd take me 5 hours.
By myself.
pull two motors out of running cars, then put one back in, in under 5 hours with 1 guy
john your good, but not that good
even if u were, i would just send jim over to slow the process down
Ohhh I will gladly put money that he will slaughter the 5 hour time mark ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on
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PAulo.. if we are swaping engines then you better come over on sunday at 6am. think about it ... did you ever get a cherry picker?
Either way i'm pushing your car out of the driveway at 2am.. so... get ready.
btw.
I still think we should just swap the parts, not the blocks..
Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on
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This guys are saying five hours.. but think about it.. that's JOHNfreaking B.. he's a mustang god. so.. it'll be 10 hours for us with just you and me.
Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on
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If you are swapping a complete engine from one to another, it's VERY simple. Think about it, all that needs to come off is...
DISCONNECT THE BATTERY.
Starting underneath the car, unbolt the following...
Bellhousing bolts (6 each)
Exhaust flanges (4 each)
Starter (2 bolts, 2 connectors)
Index or cover plate bolts (2 ea), remove converter nuts if auto trans (4 ea)
Disconnect O2 sensors
Motor mounts (2 each)
Disconnect the fuel lines
Up top, remove the following...
Both upper and lower hoses
Fan/fan shroud, remove hose for overflow tank
Radiator
PS pump (unbolt, allowing it to sit in the radiator support)
AC lines (if still present, from the Compressor)
Drivers side ground strap
Intake tube
Lower smog hose (from H pipe)
Vac tree on passenger side
Vac line to tree on driver's side
Throttle cable (and kickdown cable, if auto)
Next...
Disconnect 12 pin connectors (2 ea)
Disconnect Alternator harness
Disconnect 02 harness (pass side)
Neg battery cable, along with the small quick-disconnect and 8mm bolt on the radiator support (leaving it connected to the engine)
Positive lead from starter to solenoid (from solenoid side only!)
That should be it. Any questions?
Posted by its50 (Member # 4069) on
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Originally posted by 87:
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Originally posted by 2ToNE ToNe:
it took eddie510 its50 and me to swap 1 motor ..in about2 days if thats only because we were missing harware..like gaskets,and little shit like that...but point being it shouldn't take that long if its a long block.ready to install.its just a matter of connecting the wires back,tranny and clutch aslong as your able to do that..everything shold be down hill from there..trust me we're no experts and we did it
Nah bro, maybe your and me are no experts but eddie's been around the block and back numberous times when it comes to taking out an putting in new engines.
for the cabrillo block john b!
hey me and coupe took out motor and tranny in 2hours at his pad, thats a record for me. Hey remember to count how many hours it took you guys, post it up!
Posted by yohuallin (Member # 4452) on
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Originally posted by JohnB:
If you are swapping a complete engine from one to another, it's VERY simple. Think about it, all that needs to come off is...
DISCONNECT THE BATTERY.
Starting underneath the car, unbolt the following...
Bellhousing bolts (6 each)
Exhaust flanges (4 each)
Starter (2 bolts, 2 connectors)
Index or cover plate bolts (2 ea), remove converter nuts if auto trans (4 ea)
Disconnect O2 sensors
Motor mounts (2 each)
Disconnect the fuel lines
Up top, remove the following...
Both upper and lower hoses
Fan/fan shroud, remove hose for overflow tank
Radiator
PS pump (unbolt, allowing it to sit in the radiator support)
AC lines (if still present, from the Compressor)
Drivers side ground strap
Intake tube
Lower smog hose (from H pipe)
Vac tree on passenger side
Vac line to tree on driver's side
Throttle cable (and kickdown cable, if auto)
Next...
Disconnect 12 pin connectors (2 ea)
Disconnect Alternator harness
Disconnect 02 harness (pass side)
Neg battery cable, along with the small quick-disconnect and 8mm bolt on the radiator support (leaving it connected to the engine)
Positive lead from starter to solenoid (from solenoid side only!)
That should be it. Any questions?
should we take the tranny a long with the engine, or just the engine, the tranny on the roller is staying in the roller, that tranny had just been rebuilt.. should we need a clutch adjustment tool..? thanks Jhon ![[worship]](graemlins/worship.gif)
.. hey if anyone wants to come and help i guess you guys are welcome.. right Jersey...
also just to be safe.. does anyone has pics of where to lift the engine from..
[ October 13, 2005, 01:39 AM: Message edited by: yohuallin ]
Posted by losbadgt (Member # 4394) on
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dawn paulo i wish i could help u but i will be in L.A. Do u want to wait for next week, then we could go the track. Also i could try to get some friends to help us out and i could get my friend to let me barrow the compressor.
Posted by yohuallin (Member # 4452) on
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Originally posted by losbadgt:
dawn paulo i wish i could help u but i will be in L.A. Do u want to wait for next week, then we could go the track. Also i could try to get some friends to help us out and i could get my friend to let me barrow the compressor.
i tought Jersey got a compressor already ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
, well the thing is that i want to get it done ASAP so next weekedn we can do my rearend and the following wednesday be able to go to the track, i dont want to go to the track with stock gears and street tires..
Posted by losbadgt (Member # 4394) on
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Originally posted by yohuallin:
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Originally posted by losbadgt:
dawn paulo i wish i could help u but i will be in L.A. Do u want to wait for next week, then we could go the track. Also i could try to get some friends to help us out and i could get my friend to let me barrow the compressor.
i tought Jersey got a compressor already , well the thing is that i want to get it done ASAP so next weekedn we can do my rearend and the following wednesday be able to go to the track, i dont want to go to the track with stock gears and street tires..
well if i finish the 50 by next weeken i will take it to the track and i will be running with stock gears and street tires ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posted by yohuallin (Member # 4452) on
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Originally posted by losbadgt:
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Originally posted by yohuallin:
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Originally posted by losbadgt:
dawn paulo i wish i could help u but i will be in L.A. Do u want to wait for next week, then we could go the track. Also i could try to get some friends to help us out and i could get my friend to let me barrow the compressor.
i tought Jersey got a compressor already , well the thing is that i want to get it done ASAP so next weekedn we can do my rearend and the following wednesday be able to go to the track, i dont want to go to the track with stock gears and street tires..
well if i finish the 50 by next weeken i will take it to the track and i will be running with stock gears and street tires
well we couldnt pulled the motor out due to some issues witht the fucking starter bolts, and the flange bolts, im just gonna cut the h pipe so i can remove the headers, and then ill be able to play a bit more with the starter bolts, im sure that by this wednesday the motor will be out..
Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on
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I took some pics..
this whole thing was not as hard as i had anticipated.
Thanks johnb for the list of things to do. we were following along and checking things off.
we would have finished in about 6 hours with a couple of breaks if it wasnt' because the damn bolts from the starter would not come out.
Other than that it was pretty straight forward.
Before pics.
this is a pretty good idea to keep all the bolts under control and not end up with extra bolts (this happens everytime i do anything to a car )
I'll have some after pics later.
Ps: thanks to the guy from Costco, (sorry dude, i didnt' get your name) for the lift plate, unfortunately we didn't get to use it.
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