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z pyro
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k I finally got my 89 lx running...
stock rebuilt engine
b303 cam
cobra intake
3k rpm stall converter
baumann shift kit
TC rear (3.55 gears)
stock everything else
right now the h-pipe isn't bolted up to the headers, cuz I lost the damn nuts for the header studs ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) anyone know what the bolts are? (size/thread) I know when I put the mustang exhaust on my Tbird and had no h-pipe on it at all (needed some welding done and muffler shop was closed), there was not a whole lot of torque but it had a bit more power up top. When I drive my stang, it's about as slow as the Tbird one thing I've noticed, the transmission shifts really soon and really soft. could the TV cable cause this? maybe the trans shifts into 2nd/3rd too soon, and when I floor it it's still in 2nd/3rd and that's why it seems so slow?
any other ideas as to why my car is so damn slow now? I can't break the tires loose at all! ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
no ![[burnout]](graemlins/burnout.gif) for me
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Eddie510-
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9/16's?
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Blowfish
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Try twisting the timing up a few degrees , make sure the spout in out when timing it. good luck
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z pyro
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I've never heard a b-cam in a car so I'm not completely sure if it's just really lopey, or is missing ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) I pulled some wires off the cap and it made no diff, i swapped wires from my tbird and i can smoke the tires now. gonna go for a lil drive now
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66 AC COBRA
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did you time it
did you have the heads redone after porting them, as in valvejob or atleast a pressure test
how did you set up the rockers
get the h pipe back on, and the bolts are metric IIRC, dont know the size, sorry
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TRIXSNK
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The way you describe the shifting is exactly like how i would describe the way my 5.0 runs right now w/ a broken TV cable. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Mine is physically broken but yours may just need adjusting.
Thought i had to share that but it may be something else as mentioned above.
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z pyro
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Originally posted by 66 AC COBRA:
did you time it
did you have the heads redone after porting them, as in valvejob or atleast a pressure test
how did you set up the rockers
get the h pipe back on, and the bolts are metric IIRC, dont know the size, sorry
i haven't used a timing gun on it, just turned the dist. til it ran best
no I didn't do anything to the heads, other than lapping the valves
rockers were just bolted down, I didn't know there was any special procedure to install stock rockers ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Originally posted by TRIXSNK:
The way you describe the shifting is exactly like how i would describe the way my 5.0 runs right now w/ a broken TV cable.
Mine is physically broken but yours may just need adjusting.
Thought i had to share that but it may be something else as mentioned above.
yeah it shifts really early and so soft I can barely feel it. I set the TV cable this way
"Disconnect the TV cable from the throttle bracket and either have a friend floor the gas pedal or use a broomstick to hold it to the floor. Undo the lock on the cable block, pull the cable until it bottoms out then push the block back into the throttle arm (this will relock it also). Remove cable again, mark on the sleeve where the block is (an awl works great for this). This is your "max" mark. Measure 5/16" farther out from there (a bolt with a 5/16" head works nicely as a measuring tool) and make another mark, this is your "min" mark. Now make another mark dead center between the 2 and this is you "mid" mark. HO motors get set a notch above the mid mark, non-HO get set on mid and TBI and carbed cars get set a notch below mid. This is the "accepted" factory setting. Granted, the "factory" way is best using the pressure gauge, but this way is what most transmission companies tell you when installing a new transmission from them"
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Posts: 1732 | From: Fresno, CA | Registered: Nov 2003
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z pyro
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ok well I'm gonna do a compression check tomorrow, get the tv setting checked out, and get the timing set. anything else I should try? I think it's still missing quite a bit, even after changing the wires. the plugs are all brand new, i got the cheap bosch plugs...maybe the distributor is bad? please help me out guys I need this running perfectly ASAP
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1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 is the correct firing order, check that out.
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z pyro
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yeah I've checked many times the firing order, so that isn't the problem
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first, you need to set your timing with a light. then your rockers might be making it miss because they aren't set up right. it can also be the TV cable, but i have no experience with that. are you getting a check engine light?
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z pyro
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ya I am getting a check engine light, i dont know how you check it without one of those readers...dont you put a paperclip jumper somewhere and the light flashes the codes?
and how are the stock rockers supposed to be set up?
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quote:
Originally posted by z pyro:
yeah it shifts really early and so soft I can barely feel it. I set the TV cable this way
"Disconnect the TV cable from the throttle bracket and either have a friend floor the gas pedal or use a broomstick to hold it to the floor. Undo the lock on the cable block, pull the cable until it bottoms out then push the block back into the throttle arm (this will relock it also). Remove cable again, mark on the sleeve where the block is (an awl works great for this). This is your "max" mark. Measure 5/16" farther out from there (a bolt with a 5/16" head works nicely as a measuring tool) and make another mark, this is your "min" mark. Now make another mark dead center between the 2 and this is you "mid" mark. HO motors get set a notch above the mid mark, non-HO get set on mid and TBI and carbed cars get set a notch below mid. This is the "accepted" factory setting. Granted, the "factory" way is best using the pressure gauge, but this way is what most transmission companies tell you when installing a new transmission from them" [/QUOTE]
Well i'm not too sure but that should have gotten the adjustment close to where you need it but it sounds like yuo may have other problems that need to be addresed first.
Let me know what happens and good luck.
Get that sucker timed and running smooth and then tackle the tranny issue if it is one.
[ July 14, 2005, 10:21 AM: Message edited by: TRIXSNK ]
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98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX'
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Get rid of the Bosch Plugs and get some Autolites. Bosch are crap I don't remember what ones but I am sure you can find out its like 32XX or something like that, check timing for sure!!! Thats always a MUST and do that compression check like you were saying that will tell you if your rockers are set-up wrong and hanging open.
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Eddie510-
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i think timming. mine was doing the sAME THING after i took out the dist and put it back in. it felt like no power. i couldnt even burn out just like yours. well mine was timming. good luck ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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JohnB
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So, lemme get this straight...there isn't a H pipe bolted up to the shorties, you set the timing by *ear*, and have a question about lifter pre-load....and you don't know why it runs like sh*t??!?!?!
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Did you pull the timing plug (sorry forgot the real name of it) before setting the timing?
Also I can't imagin setting the timing without a light because the sounds you get from the timing plug out as to when the plug is in are completely different.
Best of luck!!
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z pyro
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quote:
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So, lemme get this straight...there isn't a H pipe bolted up to the shorties, you set the timing by *ear*, and have a question about lifter pre-load....and you don't know why it runs like sh*t??!?!?!
sorry, I'm not a genius about cars like yourself. I'm learning as I go, I don't have anyone to teach me anything. I can't seem to do anything right anyways...
got the h-pipe bolted up, timing set, and it ran a lot better. the TV is set correctly but still shifts SUPER soft, as in I can't tell what gear im in most of the time. it shifts into 2nd about when i get out of the first crosswalk at an intersection, and if i floor it, it takes FOREVER for it to get some speed up. it has nice power around 70mph or so
when I came back home after driving it around, it started missing again, really badly. is the fuel pump supposed to be really loud? the car will run for about 10-15 seconds, then start stumbling and I can hear the fuel pump pretty loudly.
i sounds like the rockers are hitting the valve covers where the fill holes are, apparently hitting the baffles. I'm going to try to put the stock covers on. now, instead of calling me stupid, HOW DO YOU SET UP THE STOCK ROCKERS?
I'll check compression if I can get back to my ex's where I was working on it and have the comp. checker. right now the car doesnt wanna run in park...
[ July 14, 2005, 06:40 PM: Message edited by: z pyro ]
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Hey, I call it like I see them. Either do it right, or don't do it at all. Chilton's/Hayne's manuals are hella cheap. No one called you stupid, so chill on the "boo-hoo I'm dumb" comments. I never claimed to be a genius either. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Now, with that said...
It shouldn't be taking long to build speed. Is it downshifting?
If the fuel pump is making a noticable change in tone, it may be on it's way out. Is the fuel pressure constant even with the change?
With pedestal mount rockers, you are unable to adjust lifter pre-load without the aid of shims. You can tell if the rockers are hitting the VC's by placing your hand on them while it's running. What did you torque the bolts to on install? Stock rockers, rollers...what are you running?
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z pyro
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I can't tell if its downshifting or not, really. it's just kinda all over the place. I noticed now that when I make a u-turn, I hear some squeaking sounds from the back. yay, more problems!! also, i don't know wtf it is but sometimes when accelerating the whole car shakes, like some really bad wheel hop...but there's no wheel hop
would overfilling the tranny make it all screwy like it is?
I checked compression, 150psi on all 8 cylinders. plugs are gapped at .054
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I have seen people try to set their timing by "ear" and found it to be way off when using a light. If you need help I'm sure by posting up you could get it. Even if you have to pay someone to help out its cheaper than killing the new engine you just built. Paying someone a couple hundred bucks to help you get all the bugs worked out is much less than pulling the motor back out and replacing a melted piston. Just my .02 ....... good luck
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z pyro
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I dont have a couple hundred bucks...i have about 70 bucks to my name. i need this car running so i can get up to sac. I'm in fresno and there's only 2 people on here in fresno. but the timing is set with a light now, that's no longer an issue, and neither is the exhaust.
again, would overfilling the tranny make it shift like it is? it shifts kinda early, REALLY soft and when I floor it it feels like the tranny is slipping a lot, just no power gettin to the ground
and about the rockers/lifters, they're all stock. I just bolted em down til they wouldnt turn anymore
[ July 15, 2005, 12:34 AM: Message edited by: z pyro ]
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What is the timing at, with the spout out? Also, if you just tightened the rockers down, they should be ok. Check the TPS, and are all the plugs, wires, cap+rotor new?
[ July 15, 2005, 12:46 AM: Message edited by: SilverLX351 ]
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z pyro
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timing is at 10* with the spout out. tps is ~.98 KOEO. plugs are new, wires/cap/rotor are off of my Tbird. the wires that were on it were making it miss a little bit
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with your high stall TC your shifts will be soft as hell unless you're WOT and shifting with the TC locked up
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