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<table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="99%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#000000"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"> <tr bgcolor="#000099"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="2" color="#ffffff" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>T O P I C R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>SteedaGT</b> <br /><small>Member # 2805</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,19,15,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I have a set of BBK long tubes sitting in the garage and I have been told shoties and equal legnths will make your cobra loose power but Long tubes and a good cat back you can gain up to 35HP.<br /><br />I have a new engine going in the cobra this week, is it worth having them put the long tubes back on? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>1Sicgt</b> <br /><small>Member # 714</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,19,16,1,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Just put the long tubes on. Or sell them and get mid-legnths. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>HungryHippo</b> <br /><small>Member # 537</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,19,16,8,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> shorties if you want to be smog legal. but longtubes are badass, just the sound factor is worth it. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>BlackNGold</b> <br /><small>Member # 655</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,19,21,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> long tubes are very beneficial for the 4v 4.6's...I wouldn't install anything BBK though, but if you do use the original Ford hardware... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>1fast281</b> <br /><small>Member # 4670</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,20,20,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> BBK longtubes are pretty good, at least for the 4V they are. Mac long tubes cause severe oil burning. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX'</b> <br /><small>Member # 895</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,20,21,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 1fast281:<br /><strong> BBK longtubes are pretty good, at least for the 4V they are. Mac long tubes cause severe oil burning. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">how do they cause Oil Burning? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>bunchmyfunky</b> <br /><small>Member # 360</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,20,21,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX':<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 1fast281:<br /><strong> BBK longtubes are pretty good, at least for the 4V they are. Mac long tubes cause severe oil burning. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">how do they cause Oil Burning? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I can't wait to hear this <img border="0" alt="[BS flag]" title="" src="graemlins/bs_flag.gif" /> <br /><br />To Answer the question put the LTs on <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ October 20, 2004, 09:32 PM: Message edited by: bunchmyfunky ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>HungryHippo</b> <br /><small>Member # 537</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,20,21,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> you should see the stuff he comes up with in the drag racing section <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>1fast281</b> <br /><small>Member # 4670</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,20,22,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I see I have a lot of fans over here. You don't have to listen to my advice, all I have to say is that I know a lot more about affects of mods for a 4.6 dohc than most of you.<br /><br />Here is my source:<br /><a href="http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=167953&highlight=longtubes+burning" target="_blank">http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=167953&highlight=longtubes+burning</a><br /><br />It's really real. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>BlackNGold</b> <br /><small>Member # 655</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,20,22,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 1fast281:<br /><strong> I see I have a lot of fans over here. You don't have to listen to my advice, all I have to say is that I know a lot more about affects of mods for a 4.6 dohc than most of you.<br /><br />Here is my source:<br /> <a href="http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=167953&highlight=longtubes+burning" target="_blank">http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=167953&highlight=longtubes+burning</a> <br /><br />It's really real. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I gotta admit I am sceptical of the oil burnig theory, but you backed up your claim and that's always welcome on tech talk...That's what we're all here for, TO LEARN!...<br /><br /> <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>BlueLightning302</b> <br /><small>Member # 3974</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,21,0,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> damn that sucks ass. i been tellin my friend to get some long tubes too on his 96. Never heard of anything like this. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>The Nick</b> <br /><small>Member # 2244</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,21,0,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> This makes more sense than the "scavenging oil past the valves" theory:<br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Fourcam330<br /><b>Mike, I remember hearing the scavenging theory, but I think the real reason was excess welding material coming loose and being recycled through the motor via the EGR. In any case, I'll never put a MAC product on anything I own.</b></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><br /> <br /> <small>[ October 21, 2004, 12:30 AM: Message edited by: The Nick ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>season'd 88</b> <br /><small>Member # 169</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,21,1,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <br /> <br /> <small>[ November 06, 2006, 01:54 AM: Message edited by: season'd 88 ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>HungryHippo</b> <br /><small>Member # 537</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,23,10,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 1fast281:<br /><strong> I see I have a lot of fans over here. You don't have to listen to my advice, all I have to say is that I know a lot more about affects of mods for a 4.6 dohc than most of you.<br /><br />Here is my source:<br /> <a href="http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=167953&highlight=longtubes+burning" target="_blank">http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=167953&highlight=longtubes+burning</a> <br /><br />It's really real. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">owned <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>ONEBAD383STROKER</b> <br /><small>Member # 4965</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,23,14,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> i know some one with MAC long tubes and he has not had any trouble out of them <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>4.6 EATIN GM'S</b> <br /><small>Member # 1633</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,23,19,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> put the lt's on <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>MustangNate</b> <br /><small>Member # 4559</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,24,16,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I have a 5.0, not a 4.6 but I had MAC LTs, MAC o/r H, and MAC cat-back and didn't have any oiling problems.<br /><br />Maybe this is just more proof Ford should dump the 4.6 and go back to the 5.0? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>1fast281</b> <br /><small>Member # 4670</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,25,9,40,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by MustangNate:<br /><strong> I have a 5.0, not a 4.6 but I had MAC LTs, MAC o/r H, and MAC cat-back and didn't have any oiling problems.<br /><br />Maybe this is just more proof Ford should dump the 4.6 and go back to the 5.0? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I don't think so, Ford is never going back to pushrods. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>4.6 EATIN GM'S</b> <br /><small>Member # 1633</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,25,17,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 1fast281:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by MustangNate:<br /><strong> I have a 5.0, not a 4.6 but I had MAC LTs, MAC o/r H, and MAC cat-back and didn't have any oiling problems.<br /><br />Maybe this is just more proof Ford should dump the 4.6 and go back to the 5.0? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I don't think so, Ford is never going back to pushrods. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">sorry bro but wtf do u jock 4.6's so much <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX'</b> <br /><small>Member # 895</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,25,18,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by season'd 88:<br /><strong> Wow after reading a couple pages about this on the corral..im thinking the BUSH administration must have an interest in Mac <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> seriously though, i had a set of full length Mac headers on a bronco a fews yrs ago and they were VERY good quality and the thing ran great. <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I had a set of Mac long tubes and I never had any problem with "burning oil" The only thing I never liked about them was the fact that the flanges were all seperated witch made the install that much more of a PITA. Other wise they were pretty good products, and now I have BBK and have no problems with them either, you just have to do some cleaning on the inside of the primareis. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>HungryHippo</b> <br /><small>Member # 537</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,25,19,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> i think its a pretty wierd situation that this only applies to MAC headers and DOHC motors. the theory that MAC headers work so well that they pull oil through the valve seals is BS. the theory that the metal slag comes loose and recirculates causing ring and cylinder wall wear cant be true because none of us have heard about this issue with all the other applications that MAC makes headers for. i've used MAC headers and they actually look very clean and have little excess welding. maybe this happens with defective headers that have leaks and DOHC engines are more sensitive to bad leaks leading to burnt exhaust valves? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>1fast281</b> <br /><small>Member # 4670</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,26,12,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">sorry bro but wtf do u jock 4.6's so much <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Until you get a 4.6 dohc you will never know. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>jayl</b> <br /><small>Member # 185</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,26,12,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> my buddys got a mark 8 lincolin w/ 32valve its a blast and kills those beastly hatchback b16s......still will never run 13s <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>blind</b> <br /><small>Member # 3052</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,9,26,14,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 1fast281:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">sorry bro but wtf do u jock 4.6's so much <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><strong>Until you get a 4.6 dohc you will never know. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">yeah, those 14 second 4.6's sure are impressive...<br /> <br /> <small>[ October 26, 2004, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: blind ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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