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Posted by JohnCM (Member # 1076) on :
 
I went to sac lastnight

I ran a 13.9@103 with a 2.3 60 ft.

My mods are:

Cobra intake w/ 65mm t/b
Edelbrock heads
E cam
1.6rr's, mac equal lengths, O/R X pipe, Flowmasters
C&L 73mm /30 lb. injectors, Centerforce clutch, Hurst shifter,FRPP alum. driveshaft, stock 3:08 gears.

Does 13.9@103 with a 2.3 60 ft. seem right for my car?
Or is that embarassingly slow?
 

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Posted by MR GO FAST (Member # 2088) on :
 
gears and tires would bring down a couple of tenths. What rpm do you shift at? 30lb injectors?
 

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Posted by 91 5.0 5speed (Member # 1867) on :
 
that does seem rather slow but it is partially due to your 60 ft times get some drag radials and you will see some mid 13s
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
You need traction and 24 pound injectors. You also have a 255 intank pump
 

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Posted by JohnCM (Member # 1076) on :
 
It used to be s.c thats why it has 30 lbs.
Would gears help that much? I was ending in 4th almost tached out. But my tach might be off.

Which gears would you recommend? 3:55's? or 3:73's? for my combo..
 

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Posted by JohnCM (Member # 1076) on :
 
Also would changing the injectors make it faster or no? I don't see how it would but I'm unsure
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
You are running VERY FAT at this point. Need to lean it out BIG TIME! Open the diff cover and check to see if you don't already have 3.55's.

Cheater slicks are the BEST "mod " you could use.
 

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Posted by MR GO FAST (Member # 2088) on :
 

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Originally posted by JohnCM:
I was ending in 4th almost tached out.

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what tire size do you have and what rpm were you at?
 

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Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on :
 
even with 3.73 gears, a 25 inch tall tire, and 103 traps, u should ave been around 5200rpm, not even close to taching it out

maybe the clutch is not adjusted or is just in need of replacing, that would cause the lower times and mph
 

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Posted by Black94 5.0 (Member # 655) on :
 
Those times are nothing to be proud of...Like everyone else is suggesting, you need to see what gears you have right now...If, you're taching out in fourth you must have some 3.73 atleast...

Yeah, and 30#s are a little too big for your combo...I'm guessing that combo is normally good for 245-255 rwhp, so 103 traps isn't too bad, but it should be closer to 104...

2.3 60ft times are where your ET suffers...Your car is easily a mid 13 second ride if you just got better starts...

The good news is, you can only improve on these numbers!..
 

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Posted by JohnCM (Member # 1076) on :
 
hmm My clutch maybe be slipping. But it grabs hard goin into second i had to left off the gas to keep from spinning and then go on it and it kept spinning. Traction at the track must've just sucked yesterday (wednesdays)

I'm going to get 24 lbs. and a matching mass air meter.
I also have nitrous, But I didn't use it because my bottle was empty lastnight. But I'm going to go get it filled right after I type this.

Slicks will be in the future for sure

I think its slow though

My 87 ran 14.2@99 with a 2.2 60 ft. when i was 16

anyways thx laters
 

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Posted by mustanggt5091 (Member # 444) on :
 
man you deffinetly need the 24# and either practice or control arms and/or drag raidials to get those 60's down, so you know quick88lx on this board has a 88 lx with edelbrock heads, performer intake, stock injectors, MAF, 70mm tbody, exhaust, 3.55 gears and a good set of control arms and E.T. Streets and was running 12.83 with a 1.7 60 ft
 

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Posted by JohnCM (Member # 1076) on :
 
Would backing the screw outta the fuel pressure regulator help me?
It leans it out correct?
 

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Posted by DropTopFox (Member # 1689) on :
 
19 lb injectors are plenty for this combo. cut the 2.3 to a 2.0 and youare already mid to low 13's. If you have stock 3.08's and were taching outin fourth your MPH would be 10's worthy at least. You need to see what you have in that rear end. you don't need to take the differential cover off to do this. jack the rear end up and place a piece of tape or some how mark your driveshaft. Rotate your rear wheels 1 time exactly and however many times your driveshaft rotates is what you have in the rear end. In your case there is no way in hell it would be 3.08 because regaurdless if your tach is off you can hear when you are taching out or not. My best guess would be 3.73's.
 

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Posted by JohnCM (Member # 1076) on :
 
oh yea im sorry it didnt tach out

but it was very high on the tach, very high

i just think my tach is off

theres no way this can have gears its way too slow
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
Until you lean it out and "tune" it, you will think it is slow.

God.............. what I could do with this car and its mods

EDIT: Give me this car and $450 total and I will give it back to you with slicks, 105mph and CONSISTENT 12's

You could do it for a lot less yourself ofcourse.

[ April 22, 2004, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: hidnn.o.s. ]
 

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Posted by losbadgt (Member # 4394) on :
 
u need some gears for that set up, i recomended 3.73, and for better traction even on non slick tires get lower and upper control arms, that's what i'm getting for my car.
 

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Posted by JohnCM (Member # 1076) on :
 
Don, PM me a list of stuff to get and I'll work on getting it all. I want consistent 12's
 

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Posted by DropTopFox (Member # 1689) on :
 

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Originally posted by losbadgt:
u need some gears for that set up, i recomended 3.73, and for better traction even on non slick tires get lower and upper control arms, that's what i'm getting for my car.

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if you have any track experience you should know by his times and where he's talking about trapping on the tach that this thing already has gears whether he denies it or not. The question is whether they are 3.55 or 3.73 at this point. It needs to be tuned and it needs to hook, these are the only problems with this car as it sits
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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Originally posted by DropTopFox:

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Originally posted by losbadgt:
u need some gears for that set up, i recomended 3.73, and for better traction even on non slick tires get lower and upper control arms, that's what i'm getting for my car.

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if you have any track experience you should know by his times and where he's talking about trapping on the tach that this thing already has gears whether he denies it or not. The question is whether they are 3.55 or 3.73 at this point. It needs to be tuned and it needs to hook, these are the only problems with this car as it sits

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Damm 5.0 geek
 

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Posted by 88gt (Member # 579) on :
 

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Originally posted by DropTopFox:

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Originally posted by losbadgt:
u need some gears for that set up, i recomended 3.73, and for better traction even on non slick tires get lower and upper control arms, that's what i'm getting for my car.

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if you have any track experience you should know by his times and where he's talking about trapping on the tach that this thing already has gears whether he denies it or not. The question is whether they are 3.55 or 3.73 at this point. It needs to be tuned and it needs to hook, these are the only problems with this car as it sits

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Originally posted by 88gt:

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Originally posted by DropTopFox:

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Originally posted by losbadgt:
u need some gears for that set up, i recomended 3.73, and for better traction even on non slick tires get lower and upper control arms, that's what i'm getting for my car.

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if you have any track experience you should know by his times and where he's talking about trapping on the tach that this thing already has gears whether he denies it or not. The question is whether they are 3.55 or 3.73 at this point. It needs to be tuned and it needs to hook, these are the only problems with this car as it sits

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I wouldn't be so quick to say this guy has gears. He said his tach might be off, (I assume he is using the stock one) and he said himself that he wasn't completely taching out, it was just getting high in the RPM range...that means something different to everyone.

JohnCM - some food for thought: I ran a 13.3 @ 103mph. I had offroad exhaust, pullies, gears and an Edelbrock intake. I was also running stock heads. You already have the mph for mid to low 13's. You have a lot of room to easily improve your combo. Like has been mentioned already, look at getting smaller injectrs, gears, and some tire to help you hook better. Cutting your 60fts would help you out a great deal.

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Was that time with slicks or street tires?
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
Do you think he got a 2.3 with slicks

If you are still wondering, they were street tires.
 

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Posted by JohnCM (Member # 1076) on :
 
Thanks for all the help guys, I'm going to try and drive better this time

I'll be at the track each wednesday for 4 weeks. Then I'm going to get some parts.
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 

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Originally posted by JohnCM:
I'm going to try and drive better this time

I'll be at the track each wednesday for 4 weeks

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HELL YA
 

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Posted by baymustang (Member # 3246) on :
 
there is something if i ran a 14.3@97mph when my car was stock got some new things hoping on impoving on may 8th at the track
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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Originally posted by baymustang:
there is something if i ran a 14.3@97mph when my car was stock got some new things hoping on impoving on may 8th at the track

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My stang is getting slower and slower everytime i installed mods lol

I ran 14.7 10000% stock.. Added gears headers pullies w/ radials ran a 13.797... Thas it... Now i added ac delete, smog delete short shifter, alum drive and i run 14.1s
 

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Posted by 88gt (Member # 579) on :
 

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Originally posted by 93mustangt:

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Originally posted by 88gt:

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Originally posted by DropTopFox:

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Originally posted by losbadgt:
u need some gears for that set up, i recomended 3.73, and for better traction even on non slick tires get lower and upper control arms, that's what i'm getting for my car.

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if you have any track experience you should know by his times and where he's talking about trapping on the tach that this thing already has gears whether he denies it or not. The question is whether they are 3.55 or 3.73 at this point. It needs to be tuned and it needs to hook, these are the only problems with this car as it sits

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I wouldn't be so quick to say this guy has gears. He said his tach might be off, (I assume he is using the stock one) and he said himself that he wasn't completely taching out, it was just getting high in the RPM range...that means something different to everyone.

JohnCM - some food for thought: I ran a 13.3 @ 103mph. I had offroad exhaust, pullies, gears and an Edelbrock intake. I was also running stock heads. You already have the mph for mid to low 13's. You have a lot of room to easily improve your combo. Like has been mentioned already, look at getting smaller injectrs, gears, and some tire to help you hook better. Cutting your 60fts would help you out a great deal.

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Was that time with slicks or street tires?

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Im not sure if you were asking me or JohnCM, but my time was on bald nitto DR's. I only had a 2.0 60' too.
 

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Posted by PeNiNsula302 (Member # 1061) on :
 
did the car sound like it was taching out? with 3:73's your not taching out in 4th at the end of the quarter your taching out in 3rd/shifting to 4th
 

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Posted by PeNiNsula302 (Member # 1061) on :
 

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
Do you think he got a 2.3 with slicks

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As sad as that is, ive seen it done before
 

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Posted by JohnCM (Member # 1076) on :
 
I just remember ppl a couple years ago told me to stay in 3rd until your done, Because I was shifting to 4th like a dumbass.

But that wasn't even an option this time, I was thinking maybe its because I have heads and way more mods than I had in my stock 87 GT. So having a cam and heads and other mods doesn't make a difference in your RPM's?
 

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Posted by PeNiNsula302 (Member # 1061) on :
 

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Originally posted by JohnCM:
I just remember ppl a couple years ago told me to stay in 3rd until your done, Because I was shifting to 4th like a dumbass.

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The ont time i stayed in third i ended up hitting the rev. limiter RIGHT before the finish line, so ill stick to shifting to 4th, its a pretty quick shift anyway
 

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Posted by SlowStockFox (Member # 1081) on :
 
i was in the car 1 run. 1st gear got some trac. 2nd gear it burns em good and long. he is ending in 4th gear. i have a stock 5.0 with 3:55s i ran 14.302 @ 98mph i also end in 4th gear well mid to low of 4th gear rpms wise. my car got a 2.2 60 ft.

car feels much faster than a 13.9

he had 600 psi or less{80 shot 13 deg. timing} sprayed in 3rd and 4th. he gaind 4 mph and stayed at 13.9 is that good.

this car feels really good. he knows and so do all his car frineds think it has ALOT more.

just more input
 

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Posted by the50ho (Member # 73) on :
 
just as a reference....in my 87 with 3.73, street tires, full exauhst, and a bbk cold air kit, I ran 13.90@ 99mph with a 2.1 60ft. COMPLETELY stock long block and intake man. Your car has WAY more in it than that. You need to shift at your peak points....they will differ from car to car...including yours. You may need 4th, you may not....just feel out the car, and figure it out. Test and tunes, although expensive, are well worth the money to find out what works best for your car.
 

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Posted by shade- (Member # 298) on :
 
At 6200 rpms and a 225/60-15 tire (25.6" diameter), 3rd gear will run to only ~93 mph with 3.73s and a T5, and that's bouncing off the limiter
 

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Posted by JohnCM (Member # 1076) on :
 
Yea I plan on getting more track time, I really need to get some slicks or something though so I can have a bit of hook for 2nd gear.

I'll be out there these next upcoming wednesdays, I'll see what kind of times I can get and I'll post.
 

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Posted by DropTopFox (Member # 1689) on :
 

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Originally posted by 88gt:

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Originally posted by DropTopFox:

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Originally posted by losbadgt:
u need some gears for that set up, i recomended 3.73, and for better traction even on non slick tires get lower and upper control arms, that's what i'm getting for my car.

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if you have any track experience you should know by his times and where he's talking about trapping on the tach that this thing already has gears whether he denies it or not. The question is whether they are 3.55 or 3.73 at this point. It needs to be tuned and it needs to hook, these are the only problems with this car as it sits

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I wouldn't be so quick to say this guy has gears. He said his tach might be off, (I assume he is using the stock one) and he said himself that he wasn't completely taching out, it was just getting high in the RPM range...that means something different to everyone.

JohnCM - some food for thought: I ran a 13.3 @ 103mph. I had offroad exhaust, pullies, gears and an Edelbrock intake. I was also running stock heads. You already have the mph for mid to low 13's. You have a lot of room to easily improve your combo. Like has been mentioned already, look at getting smaller injectrs, gears, and some tire to help you hook better. Cutting your 60fts would help you out a great deal.

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With 3.55's he'd be a 4800 in 4th. With 3.08's he'd be at 5600 in third. With 2.73's he'd be at 5000 in 3rd. 3.73's 5000 in 4th. 4.10's 5500 in 4th. Essentially it's a toos up. He says he was getting up in the RPM's in 4th, therefore he has to have 3.55's or above. With some freeway flyers he'd be getting up there in third not fourth. This thing has gears of some sort they probably just aren't biting as hard as they should be right now since it's obvious that the car is dieing for a tune. So unless he's been mistaken and was taching out in 3rd and not 4th he has to have some 3.55's or steeper in the rear end
 

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Posted by 93lx342 (Member # 1793) on :
 
that mph is really low for that combo.i ran a similar combo in a 86 vert and ran 108-109 mph.the car was full weight.i had 4.10 gears and was in 4th a lil before the line.i went thru the traps at 6200 in 4th on the bottle(100 shot)and ran 119 mph.
 

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Posted by sac 5.0 (Member # 2980) on :
 

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Originally posted by JohnCM:
Yea I plan on getting more track time, I really need to get some slicks or something though so I can have a bit of hook for 2nd gear.

I'll be out there these next upcoming wednesdays, I'll see what kind of times I can get and I'll post.

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Originally posted by sac 5.0:

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Originally posted by JohnCM:
Yea I plan on getting more track time, I really need to get some slicks or something though so I can have a bit of hook for 2nd gear.

I'll be out there these next upcoming wednesdays, I'll see what kind of times I can get and I'll post.

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learn how to drive the car with street tires before you try on slicks it is a whole new ball game get to know your car and drive it well then get slicks you can have 500 hp but not know how to drive and still pull a 13.00

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i almost crashed with some on the streets. then i blew my tranny
 

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Posted by PeNiNsula302 (Member # 1061) on :
 

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Originally posted by DropTopFox:

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Originally posted by 88gt:

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Originally posted by DropTopFox:

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Originally posted by losbadgt:
u need some gears for that set up, i recomended 3.73, and for better traction even on non slick tires get lower and upper control arms, that's what i'm getting for my car.

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if you have any track experience you should know by his times and where he's talking about trapping on the tach that this thing already has gears whether he denies it or not. The question is whether they are 3.55 or 3.73 at this point. It needs to be tuned and it needs to hook, these are the only problems with this car as it sits

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I wouldn't be so quick to say this guy has gears. He said his tach might be off, (I assume he is using the stock one) and he said himself that he wasn't completely taching out, it was just getting high in the RPM range...that means something different to everyone.

JohnCM - some food for thought: I ran a 13.3 @ 103mph. I had offroad exhaust, pullies, gears and an Edelbrock intake. I was also running stock heads. You already have the mph for mid to low 13's. You have a lot of room to easily improve your combo. Like has been mentioned already, look at getting smaller injectrs, gears, and some tire to help you hook better. Cutting your 60fts would help you out a great deal.

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3.73's 5000 in 4th

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i dont know how that could be ... im shifting to 4th right when i cross the finish line every time with 3:73's
 

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Posted by the50ho (Member # 73) on :
 
remember tire hieght effects this as well...not just gear ratio
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
Update: the car has 3.55's

"TOLD YA "
 

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Posted by slidewayz94 (Member # 3101) on :
 
Ok for whats's done to your car (JohnCM) you should have yanked on my buddies girls's car. (96 LT-1)she can drive good as you found out, but if you ready for a rematch (let's keep it off sunrise and or the freeway )tonight at sac raceway she'll be running again as will I. I'll run you with you with what you just got , but I guarantee its only gonna create more tracion issues for you.

[ April 28, 2004, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: slidewayz94 ]
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 

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Originally posted by slidewayz94:
I'll run you with you with what you just got

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That is what the car has always had

Again, once he learns the car (it is new to him) it will run low 13's to high 12's EASILY.
 

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Posted by slidewayz94 (Member # 3101) on :
 
he said he was all motor last weekend.He said he just hooked up nitrous. n/a with his combo should at the least be a low 13
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
I was talking about N/A. The bottle will push him into the high 11's with some sticky tires and learning the car.
 

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Posted by shade- (Member # 298) on :
 
probably not with 3.55s though
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 

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Originally posted by shade-:
probably not with 3.55s though

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
I was talking about N/A. The bottle will push him into the high 11's with some sticky tires and learning the car.

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i think clark is doing a 150 shot
 

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Posted by the50ho (Member # 73) on :
 

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Originally posted by SlowStockFox:

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
I was talking about N/A. The bottle will push him into the high 11's with some sticky tires and learning the car.

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i think clark is doing a 150 shot

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better have some stickies then
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
If I ran a 12.1 @ 113 with 3.08's how can you tell me he won't EASILY hit the 11's on STICKY tires?

"EASILY" high 11's
 

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Posted by shade- (Member # 298) on :
 
because you're the most awesomest driver ever?
 

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Posted by vpr_klr (Member # 3353) on :
 
A good driver with a good suspension and good tires(DR's) with gears should be able to put that car in the 12's as long as the trans doesn't blow up when you powershift it!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 

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Originally posted by shade-:
because you're the most awesomest driver ever?

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