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Posted by Saleen_S281 (Member # 2472) on :

Finally getting my vortech s trim for my 96 saleen, been a while, finally have the money. Should be getting it this week. How much horsepower will it give me with just pullies, 3:55 gears, and cat back borla with bbk o/r x pipe?? minus my cold air, wont be using that..
and how much when i get it chipped and tuned, and how much does apex charge for that
Then how much with like a power pipe... thanks

does anybody install them on the side, or any places that are good, and how much do they charge, thanks again

Posted by 88gt (Member # 579) on :

You wont be using underdrive pullies with your supercharger. Assuming you're seeing 10psi I'd be real happy with 300hp max. Gearing won't affect your horsepower output. I'd look into an off road x pipe for your car for a cheap horespower boost. SC'ed cars love open exhaust.

Posted by J's KING Cobra (Member # 2011) on :

Cool, about time....I think you maybe be putting out some 350-365 RWHP

[Whoo Whooooo!]

Posted by 99gt-UJSTLST (Member # 584) on :

quote:
Originally posted by J's KING Cobra:
Cool, about time....I think you maybe be putting out some 350-365 RWHP

no way
if it was a 99 and up motor yea maybe
but on a stock no PI motor maybe 300 max but id say 290rwhp

Saleen_S281

I can do the install for cheap
just let me now PM and will talk cost

Posted by J's DDLY SNK (Member # 2016) on :

Way to go Nick!
Now you can break those 14's. he he he....
You probably even keep up with Daniel. [Big Grin]

On your horse power, I think at the most 310-325 hp and I believe that APex charges about $500-$600 for a chip tune. Good Luck [patriot]

Posted by J's KING Cobra (Member # 2011) on :

Just run atleast 10-12lbs for a good HP off the blower. And add some headers or a new intake they have in the magazines this month

[patriot]

Posted by Saleen_S281 (Member # 2472) on :

I was going to order it today, but i think im going to buy 30lb injectors, 80mm mass air, and fuel pump first, or visa versa. with all that and powerpipe, and chip, i should be running around 330-350 to the wheels hopefully. Im really excited about the power gains. Should be running 12's easy... i'll keep you posted

Posted by 99gt-UJSTLST (Member # 584) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Saleen_S281:
I was going to order it today, but i think im going to buy 30lb injectors, 80mm mass air, and fuel pump first, or visa versa. with all that and powerpipe, and chip, i should be running around 330-350 to the wheels hopefully. Im really excited about the power gains. Should be running 12's easy... i'll keep you posted

if you are goin to buy bigger injectors
go 42# will give room to grow if you decide to up grade the motor
also get at least a 87mm MAF

and if you want 330-350 you will have to up the boost 12-14psi
so smaller pulli and maybe a power pipe

Posted by J's DDLY SNK (Member # 2016) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 99gt-UJSTLST:

quote:
Originally posted by Saleen_S281:
I was going to order it today, but i think im going to buy 30lb injectors, 80mm mass air, and fuel pump first, or visa versa. with all that and powerpipe, and chip, i should be running around 330-350 to the wheels hopefully. Im really excited about the power gains. Should be running 12's easy... i'll keep you posted
if you are goin to buy bigger injectors
go 42# will give room to grow if you decide to up grade the motor
also get at least a 87mm MAF

and if you want 330-350 you will have to up the boost 12-14psi
so smaller pulli and maybe a power pipe

I would have to agree [patriot]

Dont waste your money! Make sure you buy smart, get the 42#'s, the 87 MAF, fuel pump & power pipe.

If I am not mistken I believe Vortech sells their set up with the 42# injector and the fuel pump. I would call and find out before you buy something not needed.

Posted by Saleen_S281 (Member # 2472) on :

I talked to Vortech today and there kit sells for 3620 or something and it only comes with 30lb and fuel pump.

I found a place where for 2900 out the door i get the following:
complete kit with upgraded 255 fuel pump and FMU
but i dont get injectors with it but that extra 700+ i can get 42lb and MAF... but if i go 42's i dont need a FMU... so

oR I can spend 2499.00 for there tuner and buy everything seperate and maybe save money... what do you think....

How many pounds do you think i can safely run?? stock bottom end

Posted by 99gt-UJSTLST (Member # 584) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Saleen_S281:
I talked to Vortech today and there kit sells for 3620 or something and it only comes with 30lb and fuel pump.

I found a place where for 2900 out the door i get the following:
complete kit with upgraded 255 fuel pump and FMU
but i dont get injectors with it but that extra 700+ i can get 42lb and MAF... but if i go 42's i dont need a FMU... so

oR I can spend 2499.00 for there tuner and buy everything seperate and maybe save money... what do you think....

How many pounds do you think i can safely run?? stock bottom end

i would just get the blower kit
you can pick up used 42# for like 250
MAF 200 and you can get a used or new intank 255 for like 100 bucks

on a stock bottom end with good tune 12-13 psi

Posted by J's DDLY SNK (Member # 2016) on :

I still recommend you get the 42# injectors.
Get a MAF but dont get the C&L brand. I have heard they have trouble when tunning a car with a blower.

Playing it safe, dont push more tha 12 psi.

Posted by 96Mysticobra (Member # 577) on :

Not trying to talk you out of a blower but y not just get a 99 head swap kit, bullit intake and stuff. For the price of the blower you can easily be making almost the same hp, probably more tq and you will have it throughout the rpm band. Then when you want to go faster youll have the right stuff behind you for the blower later.

Posted by J's KING Cobra (Member # 2011) on :

BLOWER, BLOWER, BLOWER! [Big Grin]

! Get it while its cheap! 12-14lbs sounds good for a stock bottom end, and you'll have some more ponies to parade around in. Get the blower first!!

[patriot]

Posted by 99gt-UJSTLST (Member # 584) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 96Mysticobra:
Not trying to talk you out of a blower but y not just get a 99 head swap kit, bullit intake and stuff. For the price of the blower you can easily be making almost the same hp, probably more tq and you will have it throughout the rpm band. Then when you want to go faster youll have the right stuff behind you for the blower later.

I wwoul say a head swap would be good to
but dont put a bullit intake not worth the power
for the money hell you will only gane 5 rwhp with the intake but if you have a blower then yea that be a good intake

also if you want to do a head swap I can do that
and I will have a set of heads for sell in the next week or so all you will need to get will be the passanger side valve cover

im sure I can work a deal on parts and installl

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

The most '96-98 SOHC 4.6's make is in the lower 300 rwhp range, inwhich 30 lbs injectors are plenty. If '99+ head swap is in the forcast, then 36 lbs injectors would be good choice. 275 rwhp is very typical for a '96-98 SOHC 4.6L with mufflers and a S trim [patriot]

Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :

I have a set of NEW ford 42 pound injectors you can have for 300.00. I Also do blower installs and I have a wide ban 02 that i use to tune the car with. [burnout]

Posted by 98StangPower (Member # 518) on :

why not go 99+ heads,intake, and stage 1 cams from big boy racing, that would probably be about 2k then get the heads p/p'ed for around $500 (im guessing) then you will be good to go for about 300rwhp along with your other bolt ons. That should be enough to throw you into the low 13's high 12's.

APEX charges $157.xx and hour for tuning with the CAFords discount, but i forget how much they charge for there autologic chip, whatever you do just have Byron tune whatever you get!!!

Thats all I have to say 'bout that... [Big Grin]

Posted by Saleen_S281 (Member # 2472) on :

Im going with 42's, 87mm pro-m, and a 255 fuel pump, i talked to sheldon and he's said he would install it for me for 600 and warranty it for as long as i own the car... im going with 12-13 pounds of boost chiped and tuned. power piped i should be around 310-320 to the wheels.... thats good for easy 12's

im going blower first because this will be the only time probably i will have this kind of money... im buying p.i. heads and cam next... sheldon said i should be around 400hp to the wheels when this is done.. thanks guys, let me know what you think?

Posted by J's DDLY SNK (Member # 2016) on :

That sounds like a good idea! Good luck with the set up and hopefully you gets into 12's now!
[burnout]

Posted by 98StangPower (Member # 518) on :

try not to pop too many head gaskets... [Big Grin]

Posted by Red97SVT (Member # 2811) on :

You are doing the right thing by beefing up the fuel system.

Unless Byron retards the timing way back, I doubt the motor will live long at 12+lbs. It already has fairly high compression, which doesn't mix well with high boost and 91 octane. Get an intercooler.

When using any mechanic, always get the warrenty, any promises and what they are going to do in writing. Doesn't matter who it is. These cars are expensive to build.

Posted by Saleen_S281 (Member # 2472) on :

When I talked to sheldon the other day he said that 12 pounds would be no problem with a chip and tune.... but on the other hand im getting the power pipe which will give me an additional 1-3 more pounds so i might just go with the 10 pound pulley and the power pipe.... i dont really feel like blowing any head gaskets so i think i will play it that way.... sheldon told me he would warranty the car as long as i own it... he said any problems and i take it back so i think thats pretty cheap and good warranty... this should easily get me into the 12's what do you think....

Posted by Red97SVT (Member # 2811) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Saleen_S281:
When I talked to sheldon the other day he said that 12 pounds would be no problem with a chip and tune.... but on the other hand im getting the power pipe which will give me an additional 1-3 more pounds so i might just go with the 10 pound pulley and the power pipe.... i dont really feel like blowing any head gaskets so i think i will play it that way.... sheldon told me he would warranty the car as long as i own it... he said any problems and i take it back so i think thats pretty cheap and good warranty... this should easily get me into the 12's what do you think....

A few words of wisdom from someone that has spent a few $$ on having his car modded.

Head gaskets are cheap to replace compared to a good short block. I have seen multiple blocks with big holes because a rod blew out the side. They were all stock block, blown and running under 14lbs boost.

Make sure you understand what "any problem" means. Your actions and acts of god may affect the meaning of the word "any". If I were him, that would mean the heads and blower.

Also, say you were to get detonation and threw a rod? What does fix mean? A new forged motor? A wrecking yard motor? If he will give you a forged motor but for a price (duh)? How much$$$.

If you understand each other, YOU will be a lot happier in the future.

Lastly. Greed kills. There is only so much boost you can run on 91 octane and a forged motor let alone a stock block. It is a simple law of physics. If the fuel gets too hot, it will ignite too soon and try to fire the piston the wrong way. The stock rod snaps and flys out the side of the block.

Good luck with it. I'm sure it will be a blast to drive. Next you will have to put in a TKO or a T-56 in it [Smile]

Posted by J's KING Cobra (Member # 2011) on :

Red97SVT-- did you have an understanding with HCI about your motor and their warranty?

Posted by Saleen_S281 (Member # 2472) on :

Your absolutely right.... i will talk to him but my motor only has 50,000 so hopefully a chip and tune and under 12 pounds i shold be okay... thanks

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