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Posted by SteedaGT (Member # 2805) on :
 
I am sure this has been asked 100 times, but its getting down to which one I am going to get, both are carb stamped and i want to stay that way. I need some feed back so I can call my Mech and tell him wich one to price out for me....
 

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Posted by Red95PonyGirl (Member # 3027) on :
 
Go Vortech!!!
 

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Posted by 91 5.0 (Member # 1527) on :
 
I think pro-charger generally gives more power, but Vortech is a better all around blower, IMO.
 

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Posted by Jeff S (Member # 371) on :
 
What is your combo and what is your goal?
 

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Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
Vortechs are good but they don't give you that much HP. They are good because they are CHEAP. Procharger you get a good blower that gives you more HP per psi BUT they cost ALOT.
 

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Posted by 91 5.0 (Member # 1527) on :
 
Vortech has some nice upgrade/exchange plans. Thats part of why I like them. I still say for a street driven mustang, Vortech is the way to go. S-Trim or T-Trim.
 

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Posted by turbo302 (Member # 2786) on :
 
I know procharger had a oil seal problem.I would go with paxton novi 2000.it is 50 state legal or vortech-s/ys trim.THE YS is nice I'am installing one in a 95 lightning for a customer.when we are done it will run high/low 11 in the 1/4 Daily driver go with paxton/vortech.
Turbo302
BIGBOYRACING

[ July 02, 2003, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: turbo302 ]
 

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Posted by mustanggt5091 (Member # 444) on :
 
Go Procharger, if you get the new self contained ones, P1sc they have no seal problems, warrenty, and they come with an intercooler, give more HP than any other brand at the same PSI! Its not even a comparrision IMO!
 

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Posted by Red95PonyGirl (Member # 3027) on :
 
I still say go Vortech!
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
Vortechs are good but they don't give you that much HP.

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Take your own '98 Cobra for example. There are countless local '96-98 Cobras making the same, if not more RWHP with Vortech S trims.

Come on guys, Vortech S trims are the "K&Ns" of the supercharger world. Everyone has them because they work. You can make 600+ rwhp with an S trim and supporting cast, or you can stick it on a stock 5.O and made 300+ rwhp. There are very few cases that you need anything more than a S trim.
 

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Posted by Black94 5.0 (Member # 655) on :
 
I like the air-to-air intercoolers on the Pro-Chargers....Pro-Chargers oil system is also self contained, if you blow your motor your not gonna be replacing your supercharger too...
 

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Posted by Procharged98 (Member # 2152) on :
 
Go Procharger! I haven't had any problems at all. The prices are about the same or a couple of hundred more for the ATI. Just because everyone has a Vortech doesn't mean it's the right thing for you. Call the companies and see which one is willing to spend time with you on the phone and gives you the feedback your looking for. That's what I did and now I have an ATI.
 

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Posted by 91 5.0 (Member # 1527) on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
Vortechs are good but they don't give you that much HP.

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Take your own '98 Cobra for example. There are countless local '96-98 Cobras making the same, if not more RWHP with Vortech S trims.

Come on guys, Vortech S trims are the "K&Ns" of the supercharger world. Everyone has them because they work. You can make 600+ rwhp with an S trim and supporting cast, or you can stick it on a stock 5.O and made 300+ rwhp. There are very few cases that you need anything more than a S trim.

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Im going to agree since I have an S-Trim.
 

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Posted by TM88GT (Member # 105) on :
 

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Originally posted by Black94 5.0:
I like the air-to-air intercoolers on the Pro-Chargers....Pro-Chargers oil system is also self contained, if you blow your motor your not gonna be replacing your supercharger too...

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Have you seen how small the tip is on the oil feed line for a Vortech? It's way too small for any damaging engine particles to get thru.

[ July 02, 2003, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: TM88GT ]
 

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Posted by 1990GT50 (Member # 2119) on :
 
--Procharger--
 

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Posted by Black94 5.0 (Member # 655) on :
 

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Originally posted by Black94 5.0:
I like the air-to-air intercoolers on the Pro-Chargers....Pro-Chargers oil system is also self contained, if you blow your motor your not gonna be replacing your supercharger too...

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Have you seen how small the tip is on the oil feed line for a Vortech? It's way too small for any damaging engine particles to get thru.

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Do you know how small metal particles can become?....What if your car has very high oil pressure, that will fuck the seal up in the Vortech...What happens if you forget to check your oil and run a couple of quarts low?...You will not only starve your engine, but you will also starve the blower....You will also void your warranty when the dealer see's a hole that has been tapped in your oil pan....Its just better to have seperate oiling systems...
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 
I think a Paxton Novi 1000 is the best blower for modular mustangs. Steeda autosports and Sean Hyland use Paxton's on their turn key cars with great success. If I ever make up my mind about putting a blower on my cobra, I will definatly go with a Paxton Novi 1000. By the way, Vortech and Paxton are one company owned by the same people.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Black94 5.0 - Think of some of the fastest local 4.6L's around that have blown their motor going down the track ( http://www.cafords.com/mpg/01_12_02/wickd281_kaboom.mpg ). They all had Vortech S trims, blew the motor and the blower survived just fine. I suppose oil cooled turbos are "bad" as well?
If you run your car low on oil, you're probably in the wrong hobby so that's a non issue as well.
 

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Posted by 91 5.0 (Member # 1527) on :
 

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If you run your car low on oil, you're probably in the wrong hobby so that's a non issue as well.

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Posted by SteedaGT (Member # 2805) on :
 

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If you run your car low on oil, you're probably in the wrong hobby so that's a non issue as well.

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Originally posted by st5150:
Black94 5.0 - Think of some of the fastest local 4.6L's around that have blown their motor going down the track ( http://www.cafords.com/mpg/01_12_02/wickd281_kaboom.mpg ). They all had Vortech S trims, blew the motor and the blower survived just fine. I suppose oil cooled turbos are "bad" as well?
If you run your car low on oil, you're probably in the wrong hobby so that's a non issue as well.

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I have an "oil cooled" and "water cooled" turbo on my Merkur...I always check my oil everytime I fill my car up with gas...I have to..

Sawson , my point on the self contained oil system is that the quality of oil is WAY BETTER than the oil fed blowers.....Not only is the oil quality better, but the oil temperature goes down too...Think about it, its not getting circulated through a hot engine.....

Vortech superchargers are sick , but I like the added features (air-to-air intercooler & oil system) on the ATI Pro-charger better....

Ask your buddy, John Giasi which he likes better....
 

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Posted by 91 5.0 (Member # 1527) on :
 

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If you run your car low on oil, you're probably in the wrong hobby so that's a non issue as well.

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Ha ha ha you guys kill me , so who in the bay will install a proCharger?

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Get a Vortech and ill give you a killer deal on the install.
 

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Posted by SteedaGT (Member # 2805) on :
 
QUOTE]Get a Vortech and ill give you a killer deal on the install. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Do you have a shop or are you talking about your house? Can you get deals on the chargers yourself?
 

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Posted by 91 5.0 (Member # 1527) on :
 

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Originally posted by SteedaGT:
QUOTE]Get a Vortech and ill give you a killer deal on the install.

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Do you have a shop or are you talking about your house? Can you get deals on the chargers yourself?[/QB][/QUOTE]
no, I do side jobs out of my garage. No deals on the blowers. I wish.
 

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Posted by TM88GT (Member # 105) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
Black94 5.0 - Think of some of the fastest local 4.6L's around that have blown their motor going down the track ( http://www.cafords.com/mpg/01_12_02/wickd281_kaboom.mpg ). They all had Vortech S trims, blew the motor and the blower survived just fine. I suppose oil cooled turbos are "bad" as well?
If you run your car low on oil, you're probably in the wrong hobby so that's a non issue as well.

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I have an "oil cooled" and "water cooled" turbo on my Merkur...I always check my oil everytime I fill my car up with gas...I have to..

Sawson , my point on the self contained oil system is that the quality of oil is WAY BETTER than the oil fed blowers.....Not only is the oil quality better, but the oil temperature goes down too...Think about it, its not getting circulated through a hot engine.....

Vortech superchargers are sick , but I like the added features (air-to-air intercooler & oil system) on the ATI Pro-charger better....

Ask your buddy, John Giasi which he likes better....

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Ask your buddy, John Giasi which he likes better....

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#1 - John Giasi doesn't run a self-contained Procharger. He runs a D2R which gets it's oil from....guess where......engine oil

#2 - this is what happens to the self-contained, better oil using, non-seal issue having ATI's http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=326121

#3 - If you're going to get an ATI, DO NOT GET THE SELF-CONTAINED UNITS.

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Well, I knew John had the "D2R" blower and I thought it had a self contained oil system...I guess I was wrong...The "D2R" is actually an older blower and was replaced by the "F2" which has a self contained oil system...The first ever ATI blowers were oil fed...

Here's some comments on oil fed systems, by Black88GT

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posted July 02, 2003 08:45 PM
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My Novi 2000 had bad bearings, and some of the metal got stuck in my oil pump. Be careful.
Paxton Rebuilt mine, and warrentied it for a year. It was 349. for the rebuild.

http://www.californiafords.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=004596

I can't defend a manufactures build quality, but I can tell you that having a self contained oil system is very beneficial....Would you rather have your blowers oil temp be 120-160 degrees or 210-250 degrees?....Any bad oil contaminants in your engine (fuel, water and blow-by) are going to be circulated through your blower bearings/seals..

Give me a reason how oil fed blowers are safer and more efficient...Prove me wrong, I want to learn!!!...
 

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Posted by Jim (Member # 2848) on :
 
For the steet: Vortech
 

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Posted by SteedaGT (Member # 2805) on :
 
Thanx for all the feed back, lots to think about, i even tryed calling apex twice and left voice mails both times and never got a call back, so I came on here to ask, everyone has valid points, but it seems everyone I know or talked to has the Vortec and loves it, mabey I will end up with the S trim, this car isnt a sleeper so why not let it make some noise from the engine
 

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Posted by chrome17s (Member # 1187) on :
 
SteedaGT-that's a badass hood...what kind/where'd u get it? are those heat extractors functional?!?
 

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Posted by SteedaGT (Member # 2805) on :
 
It is a Steeda Q-400 hood, and they are not func. you can find it at www.steeda.com
 

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