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<table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="99%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#000000"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"> <tr bgcolor="#000099"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="2" color="#ffffff" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>T O P I C R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>fiveohmike</b> <br /><small>Member # 1437</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,29,22,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I want to know who is a good engine shop to get a 331/R302 from.<br /><br />DSS?<br />CHP?<br />D&D<br /><br />i duno<br /><br />mike <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Blown GR40 Mystic</b> <br /><small>Member # 476</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,29,22,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Id have it built locally. BTW did u check out s car go racing? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>fiveohmike</b> <br /><small>Member # 1437</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,6,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> ya, s car go charges a crapload! My car is already at motor meister. I am having S car go do the brakes, rims, and tires though when i get the car back.<br /><br />Mike <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>fiveohmike</b> <br /><small>Member # 1437</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,6,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Who are the good local shops?<br /><br />Mike <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Bounty Hunter</b> <br /><small>Member # 1422</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,7,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> depends what your looking to spend, if you are in the market for something basic your options are larger. But if you are looking to spend alot of money and build a top notch motor I wouldn't go anywhere local. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>fiveohmike</b> <br /><small>Member # 1437</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,7,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I just want a reliable motor to handle around 450Rwhp on the street, then if i take it to the track i would up the boost and run around 600rwhp with a single turbo. So i was thinking a 331 with an R302 block - shortblock. I can do the heads and everything i just need the shortblock built.<br /><br />Mike<br /> <br /> <small>[ June 30, 2003, 07:05 AM: Message edited by: fiveohmike ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>fiveohmike</b> <br /><small>Member # 1437</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,7,7,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Or should i just order the parts seperatly, like block, storker kit and what not and have them machined and balanced loclally?<br /><br />Mike <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>LAST302</b> <br /><small>Member # 808</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,8,1,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I would go with DSS as I did. I am very happy with them all the way around!! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>street_illegal_stang</b> <br /><small>Member # 1554</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,8,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> r302/a4-331,turbo?<br />thats like 6-7 g'sno more like 8-9 g's<br />you'll need a bullet proof c4 w/3500 stall<br /> thats also a very high maintanace engine<br />you be messing with.my friend runs<br />331 r302,c4,331 gears,20pd novi renagde blower<br />trickflow ported heads and intake...custom cam by f&r performance in tustin<br /><br />currently running mid low 9's<br />but always him and i are always pulling plugs,checking fuel pressure...one time <br />him and his buddy went to irwindales 1/8<br />the the vacuum line came of the fuel p reg.<br />making us lose compression in #1,7#8 cyl.<br />turn out we droped a few valves..this is a new motor mind you.<br /><br />just my point high maintanane..<br /><br />we also have to bust out with the generator to get the bastard running...+ the expensive racing gas it burns..about a gallon per 1/8 mile..<br /> <br />it gets expensive fast <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>fiveohmike</b> <br /><small>Member # 1437</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,8,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Im not lookin to go to crazy, im just looking for a ROCK SOLID foundation <br /><br />My combo will be this (remember im not going for MAX power) just reliable (nothing breaking).<br /><br />331 w/ R302 Block<br />AFR185CC Heads - Box Stock<br />Stock GT Cam - Not looking for max Power (Maybe a mild custom grind)<br />Cobra Intake - Extrude Honed<br />48# Injectors<br />Pro-M 80MM Maf<br />70MM Tb<br />Dyno Tune<br /><br />Cartech SS Kit - Single turbo - T-64 Turbo - Adjustable from 5.3-18+ Psi<br /><br />Aeromotive Fuel system w/ Duel pumps + Sumped Gas Tank<br /><br />Tremic TKO Tranny<br />3:27 Gears<br />Auburn Rear End w/ 31 Spline Axels<br />5 Lug Conversion with Baer 4 Piston Calipers 13.2 Inch front Rotors/12" Rear Rotors<br />ROH Snyper Rims 275/40/17 x 255/40/17 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>unfknblvbl89</b> <br /><small>Member # 1522</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,9,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I don't know if this will be any help just another suggestion:<br /><br /> <a href="http://www.bennettracing.com/products/302shortblocks.html" target="_blank">Bennett Racing</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Blue Oval</b> <br /><small>Member # 2548</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,10,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I personally used CHP and there great i have also heard good things about DSS so i would chosse between them i have heard a couple of bad storys about D&D. Thats my .02 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>1SLOWLX</b> <br /><small>Member # 558</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,10,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I have heard bad stories about DSS so I guess everywhere has there goods and bads <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Blown GR40 Mystic</b> <br /><small>Member # 476</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,10,17,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fiveohmike:<br /><strong>ya, s car go charges a crapload! My car is already at motor meister. I am having S car go do the brakes, rims, and tires though when i get the car back.<br /><br />Mike</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">nice, youll be happy with thier work. <br /><br />As far as engines go, call up some race shops around, see if one will stand behind thier work with a turbo going on it. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>TheBrain</b> <br /><small>Member # 35</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,17,18,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I had my 331 built by <a href="http://www.keithcraft.com" target="_blank">Keith Craft racing</a> <br />My next motor (when I need another) will also come from them. <br />Top notch service and also the builders of many NHRA Stock and Super stock record holders <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />Brian<br /> <br /> <small>[ June 30, 2003, 05:19 PM: Message edited by: TheBrain ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>NOSVanMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 2069</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,18,7,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Bayshore Racing Engines (415) 647-9575 in SF will build you anything you want. Just tell them you're overall goal.<br />I strongly suggest a local shop so if there are any problems with the motor you can just take it back and have them fix the problems. I have a friend who has had nothing but horror stories from CHP. You will always hear bad things about places because no one is perfect but if they're local, it can be fixed quickly and it's always nice to talk to the person building the engine face to face.<br />The main reason I suggest them is because they do ALL the work in house. Nothing gets sent out (unless your crank needs to be turned). <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>st5150</b> <br /><small>Member # 51</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,18,18,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> There is a local running hard with a R302 331 from here: <a href="http://kuntzandcompany.com/index.html" target="_blank">http://kuntzandcompany.com/index.html</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>turbo302</b> <br /><small>Member # 2786</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,5,30,21,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Mike-<br />I can build you a nice short block. I would recommend R302 or sportsman with clearances setup for a dedicated turbo motor. You can not build a turbo short block like you would a naturally aspirated short block (this is where some of the old school engine builders that I've met have made mistakes). Piston to wall clearances are different, ring gap clearances are different, deck height has to be checked. I guess what I'm trying to say is if you want a solid foundation, everything has to be within tollerance for a nice turbo motor. I wouldn't go with the cobra intake, you do not need dual pumps, I've gone low 10's with a single pump (Norman Chang has gone 7's with one pump!) Do realize that the R302 block has to be fully machined, that will cost some extra $$. Stroking is optional, turbos make so much torque it'll feel like a 500ci motor with the 302. I have a R302 block myself, but I'm going to run the stock block (main support) that I built into the 9's. It's held up great so far. It's all in the tuning. You do need a dedicated fuel system with sump tank (I do sump fuel tanks). You need 50lb injectors minimum. Who ever builds your motor should be local so if you have any problems you can bring it back & it can be taken care of (make sure they know turbo motors). I've had some engine builders tell me there's no difference <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> (that's not true). I've been building performance motors for a long time and I stand behind my work. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br />turbo302<br />Big Boy Racing Fabrication<br /> <br /> <small>[ July 01, 2003, 07:25 AM: Message edited by: turbo302 ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>PurpleNotch</b> <br /><small>Member # 2902</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,4,2,26,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> hey bro i got my 331 lower end built by keith craft. awsome build job. real competitive pricing. those guys really know there engines besides what else is there to do out there. if you want to go local go to bayshore in sf my brother works there, dave and joe build awsome engines. and also stay away from dss my boys motor busted it was a pro bullit 306. noooo good! thats just my opinion. hey everyone has bad build days. <img border="0" alt="[burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Blue Oval</b> <br /><small>Member # 2548</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,4,9,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> From what turbo302 said sounds like he can build u a "Bad Boy" motor if hes close to u i would go with him. from what he said he knows his sh*t<br />my .02 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Rhombeus50</b> <br /><small>Member # 2973</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,4,17,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> agreed! keith craft has a really good reputation. if i was to do it again i'd order from them. fair pricing & quality work. u should also get a hold of turbo302 & see what he can do for u. sounds like he knows his shit & stands behind his work.<br /> <br /> <small>[ July 04, 2003, 05:12 PM: Message edited by: Rhombeus50 ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>91sleeper</b> <br /><small>Member # 779</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,4,18,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Sounds like when I go to have my motor built it will be done by Keith Kraft! Will someone pm me with prices on how much they were charged for there 331 shortblock? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>PurpleNotch</b> <br /><small>Member # 2902</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,5,12,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> check pm sleeper <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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