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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
so here is what my car is gonna have soon : 302ci , forged pistons, brande new crank & rods, high performance piston rings and bearings, x-303 cam (.542 lift) hopefully getting a bigger cam, TFS R series heads ported and o-ringed, hardened push rods, 1.7 roller rockers, hooker 1 3/4 long tube headers, shorty x-pipe, track heat intake (probably port matched) , 7qt oil pan, 24# injectors, 255lph intake fuel pump, 4:10 rear gears, 3k rpm stall, shift kit, 73mm maf, 75mm throttle body, most likely a blower when i get bored with it. well what do you guys think???
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
first off your heads are way way too big for your cam and rpm range sell them and get a set of ported tfs wedge or afr 185s second you cant put long tube headers on a shorty h pipe basically your combination is all wrong and the car will run like a pig on the street.
 
Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on :
 
sounds like a bad ass combo, but that cam is gonna make 576 lift with the 1.7 rockers [Eek!] , and i would say step up to the 30# injectors, a calibration tube for my cnl that u bought from me is only $30, just my .02
 
Posted by Chico Stang (Member # 801) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT:
second you cant put long tube headers on a shorty h pipe
When you put long tube headers on a mustang...you have to use a short X pipe (or h whatever). Becuase the long tubes come down farther then shorties do (thus the names, shorty and long tubes).
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT:
first off your heads are way way too big for your cam and rpm range sell them and get a set of ported tfs wedge or afr 185s second you cant put long tube headers on a shorty h pipe basically your combination is all wrong and the car will run like a pig on the street.
the heads might be a little to much, but not that bad. and when i say shorty x-pipe i mean for long tubes, not a shorty x-pipe for SHORTY headers. its called a shorty x-pipe because its short, not because its for shorty headers.
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
the reason the combo is bad is ported tfs rs with a hydraulic roller= no port velocity bad idel no low midrange power or torque
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66 AC COBRA:
sounds like a bad ass combo, but that cam is gonna make 576 lift with the 1.7 rockers [Eek!] , and i would say step up to the 30# injectors, a calibration tube for my cnl that u bought from me is only $30, just my .02
i dont think ill need 30's, not until i get a blower anyways. i dont know, if i need them i guess ill have to get them.
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
ported tfs Rs with a x cam roflmao waste of time I am basing this on the 2 sets of tfs rs i have owned lol and they were on a 393 and a 488 not a stock block 302 lol
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT:
the reason the combo is bad is ported tfs rs with a hydraulic roller= no port velocity bad idel no low midrange power or torque
oh i know it will be a dog off the line, but top end it will scream like no other. besides, it will help keep the car for streetable.
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT:
ported tfs Rs with a x cam roflmao waste of time I am basing this on the 2 sets of tfs rs i have owned lol and they were on a 393 and a 488 not a stock block 302 lol
where did i say stock block 302?? it actuolly had 10:1 comp. ratio.
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
with the hydraulic roller it wont have any top end you will float at about 6700 for those heads to work you need 7k rpm plus a solid roller and a hell of alot of otherstuff
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
10-1 isnt the block
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
didnt know you meant the actuol block, and i dont know about floating, when it was running it pulled up to 7,500 with a r- series intake.
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
was that on the stock tach roflamo you know that the 5.0 efi has a factory rev limiter set at 6250
 
Posted by KCmustangboy (Member # 1927) on :
 
Yes the heads are way to big, Yes you need 30s even with smaller heads. Listen to the advice or your going to be either running embrassing ET's or breaking parts.
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT:
was that on the stock tach roflamo you know that the 5.0 efi has a factory rev limiter set at 6250
no that wasnt the stock tach, and im well aware of the rev-limiter. did you know that he had replaced all the stock electronics so that didnt matter?? he had his rev-limiter set at 7,500 and it ran hard until it couldnt anymore.
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
with that combo probably high 15s
 
Posted by KCmustangboy (Member # 1927) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT:
with that combo probably high 15s
come on bounty with some good driving he could be around the 15.0 range....
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
replaced the stock electronics with what???
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
yea if he comes outta the hole at 6250 on slicks maybe a 15.1 15.0
 
Posted by KCmustangboy (Member # 1927) on :
 
I got a bone stock 87 coupe 5.0 yesterday with a AOD. It's delete everything and I bet I can shuffle that think into the low 14s [Big Grin]
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
i would put 100 bucks that that aod car would smoke this guys combo
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
well im glad to see that there are post whores here and are willing to bring down anybody jsut trying to ask for advice, not to be called dumb and be made fun of. great job guys, and ill be sure to let you guys know how i do at the track. in the mean time, you guys can go choke on a dick.
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
well you asked for advice and we gave it to ya if you go with that combo let me know when you hit the track ill race you with my tow vehicle and if ya want a solid combo ask ind ill give it to ya
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT:
well you asked for advice and we gave it to ya if you go with that combo let me know when you hit the track ill race you with my tow vehicle and if ya want a solid combo ask ind ill give it to ya
considering ive only spent 3 g on this combo i wont be to sad if its slow, besides then im only new injectors and a blower away from being fast as hell. oh yea the intire motor has 200 miles or less on it. so its not like im running some fucked up shit.
 
Posted by KCmustangboy (Member # 1927) on :
 
Both of you have good points, the idea is not to bash eachother but help eachother. It's easy to think someone is being a know it all and smart off to them and cause a little arguement. Best bet is to just listen to advice and see what you can get out of it. You can either take it or don't take it, but don't agrue if someone is trying to help. If I were you I would talk to some more people about your combo there are some good parts to it but its the WHOLE COMBO together that makes it what it is. IF the pieces don't match your not going to see a good result.
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
do yourself a favor and pull the heads and sell them off with the blower it still will be a bad combo on a low rpm 302 like yours go with the tfs track heatr or the afr 185s and it will run a hell of alot better
 
Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
solid roller that bitch with an s-trim and your talkin! [Whoo Whooooo!]
 
Posted by KCmustangboy (Member # 1927) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jayl:
solid roller that bitch with an s-trim and your talkin! [Whoo Whooooo!]
say goodbye to the bottom end lol!
 
Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
depends on how the bottom end is built.....he said forged right?
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
forged or not the block is gonna split at 550-600
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
oh im taking the advice, just because im getting a little ticked off doesn tmean its not sinking in. its just not what i wnated to hear ya know? and the guy that is putting it together and in the car, is also the car that built it for the other car too. and since it already had a 10# blower on it i might try and get my hands on a turbo kit or a 14# blower. but i dont want to have to run higher than pump gas.
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
oh yea shit, good point i also have a TFS main girdle support! sorry major detail left out.
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
seriously that motor with smaller heads that cam would fly the ported tfs r's are just way too big for your application
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
yea ive been hearing that, but ive also been hearit will be fine. so i dont know, besides i wont be going above 6k rpm anyways.
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
the main supports dont really do much they just keep the parts in a nice pile when the block splits ive seen a few split block 5.0s with main supports
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
trust me i had tfs rs that were ported on a 408 with a solid roller and it had weak power below 3k and that was a 14.5-1 408 not a wimpy 302 sell the heads you will thank me for it later
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
well im oing to take this as a live and learn experience. if the heads are to big then ill either sale them or put a blower on the car. not a very big deal. if it works good then ill probably get bored and put a blower on the car anyways.
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
next time ask b4 you buy pm me i can save you alot of stress with bad combos
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
ill keep that in mind, but im not too worried about it since i got the heads for a lot less than retail with minumal use. new they cost 2,800, and came un-assebled. i got them for 2g's with the headers, hardened push rods, and rollor rockers, paid another 600 for the shortblock which it was all together once but is now apart. and the pistons still have the mirror finish so i know the motor wasnt in long. besides im good friends with all the people i got the stuff from.
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
ok cool 2k isnt bad for ported tfs R's with headers you cant go wrong on that deal but you seriously need a bigger engine or to sell the heads
 
Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
think those heads would be nice on a 8.7:1 351w, solid roller , spyder intake and a D1 procharger? i just saw that combo on corral or somewhere make 650 rwhp on 12lbs
 
Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
ehh, ima sale the car within a year so i dont care to much.
 
Posted by BOUNTY HUNTER VERT (Member # 2754) on :
 
on a 351 with a solid roller those heads would kick some serious azz
 




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