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PeNiNsula302
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well i found a car that i will be getting and the engine is completely stock and ive been researching day and night on what the best stroker kit to get will be. I posted about this one in general discussion and a few people referred me to CHP's kits and said they were high quality, but is this true (i also heard they are un reliable and are moving their company location like every month). I just want something that will put out some good numbers, and will be reliable for the future mods (afr heads, holley intake, cam, supercharged one day....) What type of numbers do these 347 kits usually put out, like 260hp (flyweel)?? Please post feedback if you got any! thanks.....
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JoeT
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I fear Probe Industries (CHP's machine shop) more than I fear CHP themselves. Although that doesn't make any sense as they are part of the same company now.
I think it makes a lot of sense to hook up with an engine builder, and buy a quality rotating assembly (like Eagle stuff, forged pistons/crank, etc.) and then pay to have a local assembler slap everything together. That way you have someone LOCAL to bitch and moan to, rather than having to say, crate up your motor and freight it back to Ohio when your oil pressure doesn't look right.
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I have talked to them at CHP quite a few times about concerns and just questions I had. They have always seemed to be in the same place or at least always made sure they transferred their phone #. I am always reading about them in MM&FF. They seem to always have good things to say about them and their products. I know they are one of the few companies that offer the 347 kit with the 5.315 connecting rod. Most others just off the 5.400 connecting rod which cuts down enging life.
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Posts: 1187 | From: Sunny SoCal | Registered: Jul 2002
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PeNiNsula302
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shade--k i get what your saying, but ill add in this.....i just turned 17 and theres only so many limits i can push and hooking up with an engine builder and customizing the whole kit might be hard for me to do (especially while im in school). Thats why im looking for a different option (i.e. pre-assembled kits).
unfknblvbl89- ive heard the same comments about them too, so i wohnder which side is right?
[ August 15, 2002, 11:18 AM: Message edited by: quickV6stang ]
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JoeT
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and don't forget that MM&FF and 5.0 mag both get major advertising revenue from CHP.
talk to the racers that run 347's, they'll tell you the 'CHP' story is nothing more than marketing BS to differentiate their product. The rod/stroke ratio on a standard 347 is the same as Chevy's 454 and you don't here people complaining that the motors only last 20k miles do you?
I'm not trying to say "don't buy CHP", but I just want to caution you that if you are using MM&FF or the like as your source of information, it is not an unbiased one.
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JoeT
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wow, I wish I was 17 and looking at throwing 5-6k down on a motor! ![[worship]](graemlins/worship.gif)
Posts: 6785 | From: San Jose | Registered: Jun 2001
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PeNiNsula302
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yeah well im sellin my car for 10 and buyin a 5.0 for 5 and plus i do have a job, so that helps... But the plans so far are this...
bold stuff is immediate (hopefully), unbold is as soon as i can after immediates....
exhaust- bbk off/road x pipe with flowmaster mufflers. equal length headers
engine-347 Stroker kit (coast high performance), Air flow research (AFR) cylinder heads, Holley systemax II intake manifold, compcam or holley camshaft, bbk cold air intake, 70/75mm Throttle body, adjustable fuel regulators (24/30lbs injectors), other misc. bolt ons required for parts above. procharger supercharger (eventually, not for a while)
drivetrain- 3:73/4:10 gear ratios, pro 5.0 short throw shifter, ASP underdrive pulleys
....the car im lookin into already has the saleen kit and suspension, so my body work is all coo (the only thing i eventually want is a cobra r hood).
misc- weld draglites w/ mickey's for racin time ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
[ August 15, 2002, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: quickV6stang ]
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JoeT
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that motor sounds awesome.
might I suggest you spec. 10.5:1 compression pistons from whoever's kit it is for AFR 185 heads?
Also, I think the compcam 282HR would be a sweet off-the-shelf cam for you and I'd suggest 1 3/4" longtubes, a scatter shield, and a beefy clutch ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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PeNiNsula302
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what times do you think i will run with all that without the supercharger (n/a) on slicks?
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JoeT
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10's are feasible in a well built NA 347.
If you shoot for a 'street' incarnation of the 347, figure solid mid 11's minumum full weight.
Once you get it dialed in you can play the cam swapping game and see what happens.
You know, throw $300 at hi-tech, $300 at Ed curtis, and say $300 at Buddy Rawls and see who's bump-stick works the best? by the time you're done you've spent $1k, and have had three of the best try to dial you in.
Also, there's a guy 'racer7088' or something like that on the corral who knows his shit very well.
For your intake, you really ought to consider the victor 5.0 or the 'spyder' intake as well depending on how high you rev it. On the street though, I bet you can't beat that Holley.
Did you see the 10 second notch with the 347 in I think 5.0 magazine about 2 months ago? It was carbed, and truthfully, if you want a 10 second NA 347 start digging out carbed solid-roller combos ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Posts: 6785 | From: San Jose | Registered: Jun 2001
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5.0 mag also did a section on dyno proven combos. i think i saw an EFI 347 make like 450-475. NA of course
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Recently, I did a build up with a kit from D&D out of SoCal. Short block came assembled, very clean build-up. I'd recommend them. I believe the "comp-hawk" setup that was purchased was somewhere around $2400.
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93PONY
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Might I suggest....
Do it once, do it right. Call Ed Curtis & listen carefully! He'll have you runnin' 11's, smogin' it & idling like a stocker. BUT, it's about the ENTIRE setup, not just the cam. So, do it right, get it all planned out before you buy anything. (which means having Ed spec out the entire engine)
Ed has a rep of being a hard-ass, but he's actually a great guy, will help anyone who asks & doesn't screw you.
Just got my entire valvetrain from him (dual springs, retainers, locks, shims, seals) for a VERY nice price! I would've easily spent twice as much through Summit!
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Ed Curtis is also a very buisy person, so be patient. but, i guess thats a good thing right? you wouldnt really want someone that doesnt gt any buisness right?
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Posts: 4882 | From: eldorado hills | Registered: Sep 2001
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93PONY
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quote:
Originally posted by cobraman_1994:
Ed Curtis is also a very buisy person, so be patient. but, i guess thats a good thing right? you wouldnt really want someone that doesnt gt any buisness right?
Very true, he does this on the side.
Best time to call FTI is after 3pm PST. Or e-mail him. I really haven't had any problems getting a hold of him one way or the other. The real pain is the time it takes to get parts from Rohde Island...7-8days! But hey, he doesn't charge tax or shipping.
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93PONY
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quote:
Originally posted by quickV6stang:
who the hell is ed curtis? lol
An engine guru... He's a custom cam grinder on the east coast. Dr. of Mechanical enginereeing & like a ton of other degrees. He just does this on the side & happens to be tops. Most of the other cam grinders out there ask him for advise (especially if they want power).
Some of the name brand grinders like comp, crane, etc are just starting to use some of his old ideas with great results...just nothing compared to what he's doing now.
An engine is a large air-pump. The cam is like the brains of the pump. It controls how much air is let in & when it'll be let in.
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Hey quikv6stang are you having luck selling your car? I am considering selling mine and would like to know how intrested people have been. Thank You!
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Posts: 1307 | From: Hayward | Registered: Nov 2001
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PeNiNsula302
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NO LUCK AT ALL. 3 weekis on the market almost, and one caller ![[Frown]](frown.gif) . its the cheapest 99 in autotrader too
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JoeT
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dorF is back to 0.0 financing on new cars.
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I wouldnt waste my time with any off of the shelf cam, and for damn sure not a holley cam!! If you want a good cam call brian at hitech he will get you set up with something good. I do have a holley intake for sale if you are interested. Here is my new setup, PORTED AFR 185'S, HI TECH CAM, AND A PORT MATCHED EDELBROCK PERFORMER RPM, I AM HOPING TO GO HIGH TENS AT 125+ ON NITTO DRAG RADIALS.
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Posts: 2351 | From: 707 | Registered: Jan 2001
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PeNiNsula302
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so whats the deal with the holley intake, i mean is it no good? also, dont the afr 185's come ported or something??
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The Holley intake is a bit too large...even for a 347. Good HP up top, but at the sacrafice of low end grunt.
Edlebrock intakes are better suited for these engines.
Sure, you can make great numbers with the Holley, but you'd need the proper cam to take advantage & I'd definately be on the large side. A bit much for a street car/weekend warrior.
All AFR heads come CNC (computer numerically controled) ported.....from the 'factory'. However, there is still plenty of room for more port work.
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Camara90
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pretty much like 93 pony said the holley intake does a pretty good job on the 347, but the edelbrock should show some good gains in the mid and hopefully even peak a tad higher than the holley. If I were running a blower i would stay with the holley.
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std. 356hp, 350tq
11.85@111.9mph on motor.
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