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Posted by HAD A RED90GT (Member # 520) on :
 
331 Stroker Motor
out of the box 185CC AFR's
out of the box Edelbrock performer/Professional Products Intake
Hi energy Comp Cam
70mm TB
73mm MAF
1.7 RR
Pullies
Headers
3:73's
2 Chamber Flows
Thinking about this combo, anyone running something similar? What is your current HP?

[ June 30, 2002, 09:52 AM: Message edited by: HAD A RED90GT ]
 
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
As is? I'd guess 335ish RWHP. Put on the holley intake and a "good" custom cam ($500-600 more total) and you'll make another 30+ RWHP with that setup.
 
Posted by HAD A RED90GT (Member # 520) on :
 
I am actually thinking about the holley intake, I am gonna use the professional products first, but if I can sell it before I get all my parts, then I will get the holley. Do you think 24lb injectors will be good enough since it is going to be an N/A car?
 
Posted by cobraman_1994 (Member # 467) on :
 
im doing a combo thats like that. except its a low compression block [Wink] and im just going to port my cobra intake and use a bigger cam. i almost got my hands on a spyder intake, but it got sold out from under me. you might want to upgrade the injectors to 36. ive got 42's, but my car isnt going to ne NA [Razz]
 
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
24's won't cut it with a good custom cam and holley intake... get 30's or 36's if you're going to add nitrous later on. A 255 lph high pressure intank pump is a good start to feed those injectors. The Performer RPM intake (or its clones) are better matched to AFR 165's and Trickflow TW's than they are to the larger heads like AFR 185's, ect.
 
Posted by HAD A RED90GT (Member # 520) on :
 
ST 5150: So most definetly I will be trying to sell the intake, but that other combo still sounds good to me, My current Intake, 165's and a custom cam, what could I see with this.
Cobra: How much is th porting gonna cost you, isn't it better to just get another intake?
 
Posted by cobraman_1994 (Member # 467) on :
 
im not sure what im going to do right now. nut the heads and intake are all i need to have the motor complete. i was thinking on a spyder intake
but those are a bit pricey
 
Posted by HAD A RED90GT (Member # 520) on :
 
Spider??? Never heard of it, who makes it? and what is the price range?
 
Posted by Greenandsilver (Member # 1371) on :
 
What kind of compression would this 331 have?
 
Posted by cobraman_1994 (Member # 467) on :
 
its a really cool set up, but ive been told that its a higher rpm intake. probe industries is trying to make one, but they are having a problem making it smogable

[ June 30, 2002, 11:34 AM: Message edited by: cobraman_1994 ]
 
Posted by HAD A RED90GT (Member # 520) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Greenandsilver:
What kind of compression would this 331 have?
10:1 or 11:1.
 
Posted by cobraman_1994 (Member # 467) on :
 
oh, and its basicly a carb lower intake manifold fitted with fuel rails
 
Posted by HAD A RED90GT (Member # 520) on :
 
Is that the one with the throttle body facing up?
 
Posted by 66 InjectedCobra (Member # 819) on :
 
Hey I have a set of 36 # injectors W/ 2K miles on them if interested [patriot]

I think that combe deserves a HOLLEY intake not a pile of edelBrock [BS flag]
You should see about 340 RWHP= custom cam [Wink]
 
Posted by 93lx306nos (Member # 1001) on :
 
if you build the combo the right way you should be able to get 400rwhp.get a fti or high tech cam and an rpm that is cleaned up and out of the box 185s.you should see 380-400rwhp.
 
Posted by 89hatchback_lx (Member # 587) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by HAD A RED90GT:
331 Stroker Motor
out of the box 185CC AFR's
out of the box Edelbrock performer/Professional Products Intake
Hi energy Comp Cam
70mm TB
73mm MAF
1.7 RR
Pullies
Headers
3:73's
2 Chamber Flows
Thinking about this combo, anyone running something similar? What is your current HP?
It should run hard with that combo. Im currently running the 331 with the holley 75mm MAF, 75mm T/B. The cam that i got is a ISKEY cam. ill probley go with a custome grind cam later on. I wont have any HP numbers till the 13th of july (Dyno tune) [Big Grin] [Big Grin] But i just ran a SS last night and i pulled pretty good for having a 9:1 commpression motor with no tune, but ill be getting a S/C in a few months [Big Grin] [patriot] If your going to run a 10:1, you shit should haul ass.

If you do plan on getting the Holley intake then you should know that you will have to port match the intake side of the AFR 185's because the runners on the Holley are huge. Gromm Racing heads did the work on mines.Really great work [Big Grin] [Wink] Good luck on your combo. [patriot]
 
Posted by HAD A RED90GT (Member # 520) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 89hatchback_lx:
quote:
Originally posted by HAD A RED90GT:
331 Stroker Motor
out of the box 185CC AFR's
out of the box Edelbrock performer/Professional Products Intake
Hi energy Comp Cam
70mm TB
73mm MAF
1.7 RR
Pullies
Headers
3:73's
2 Chamber Flows
Thinking about this combo, anyone running something similar? What is your current HP?
It should run hard with that combo. Im currently running the 331 with the holley 75mm MAF, 75mm T/B. The cam that i got is a ISKEY cam. ill probley go with a custome grind cam later on. I wont have any HP numbers till the 13th of july (Dyno tune) [Big Grin] [Big Grin] But i just ran a SS last night and i pulled pretty good for having a 9:1 commpression motor with no tune, but ill be getting a S/C in a few months [Big Grin] [patriot] If your going to run a 10:1, you shit should haul ass.

If you do plan on getting the Holley intake then you should know that you will have to port match the intake side of the AFR 185's because the runners on the Holley are huge. Gromm Racing heads did the work on mines.Really great work [Big Grin] [Wink] Good luck on your combo. [patriot]
Where did you get your 331, and how much did the porting cost? Was it a whole combo you bought, or did you get the parts from different places?
 
Posted by 89hatchback_lx (Member # 587) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by HAD A RED90GT:
[QUOTE]Where did you get your 331, and how much did the porting cost? Was it a whole combo you bought, or did you get the parts from different places?
I got my 331 from CHP. The porting cost around 250-300 around there( Dont remember got too pull recipets)Gromm does some really great work for the money. My combo was built by my bro and I. Except the short block, It was already assembeld from CHP. The heads i got from houston performance in a group puchase. My set up is built for a Supercharger but running it N/A till then. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by HAD A RED90GT (Member # 520) on :
 
Who is CHP?
 
Posted by 89hatchback_lx (Member # 587) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by HAD A RED90GT:
Who is CHP?
Coast High Performance. Check any 5.0 or MM&FF mag and they should be in there. They are known for there 347 Street fighter. Really cool guys there. Verey helpfull. If you do go with CHP ask for george. [patriot]
 
Posted by HAD A RED90GT (Member # 520) on :
 
How much was the kit, and what was included, was it also balanced for you? Can't you just stuff a stroker kit into your existing block? Becasue I found a 331 kit from Central coast mustang for $1699, i forget what it comes with but it is balanced.
 
Posted by 89hatchback_lx (Member # 587) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by HAD A RED90GT:
How much was the kit, and what was included, was it also balanced for you? Can't you just stuff a stroker kit into your existing block? Becasue I found a 331 kit from Central coast mustang for $1699, i forget what it comes with but it is balanced.
I orderd my short block balanced and everything on a Sportsman Block. I also got my cam, Harmonic balancer, oil pump, and girdle from them. I spent a good amount of money for the short block but you can do it for cheaper. CHP has the 331 kit for $1,295.99 i think it comes balance already.(Just in case, ask if it does come balanced.) I dont think you have to do any machine work to your block but i do recomend preping it and get a girdle. I heard that PunkInA5.Slow Build good motors. Hes done a couple of 331's. He should be more helpfull on what you need. [Wink]
 
Posted by HAD A RED90GT (Member # 520) on :
 
Yeah I already asked dan about it. Just looking for any ideas. He is probably going to be the one to build it.
 
Posted by PunkINa5.SLOW (Member # 10) on :
 
10 to one AFR headed 331s and 347s are making 455-480 DYNO horsepower with off the shelf comp cams

just for FYI
 
Posted by HAD A RED90GT (Member # 520) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PunkINa5.SLOW:
10 to one AFR headed 331s and 347s are making 455-480 DYNO horsepower with off the shelf comp cams

just for FYI
God Damn... I LIKE... So Dan how much am I looking at? for the combo I mentioned?
 
Posted by flatacid (Member # 878) on :
 
ive also been reading up on n/a combos for my car. with a 331 @11.1 cr with the above mentioned, you should be close to what 93lx306nos quoted. but ed curtis would be a good person for the cam/valve train.
 
Posted by flatacid (Member # 878) on :
 
shit. i forgot to read the second page before i posted. so most likely, your gonna wanna disregard that above post.
 
Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
Get the Edelbrock RPM and at most have it port matched to the heads. Don't gasket match it. AFR's have slightly different centerlines so it'd be off. Don't touch the heads, they work very well as is and the difference in the 185 and 165 isn't the port opening size. It's the inner 2/3 of the runner from the bowl to the valve that makes the difference. If you want some expert advice call Brian at Hi Tech Motorsport and he'll tell you exactly why the Edel will pick up power over the Holley. He predicted it for a guy on the corral that didn't believe him until he saw both results. Difference being 20 RWHP and 30ft lbs+ more torque. Any advice I give is stuff he tells me so take it for what it's worth but I have no problems making power with the standard Performer and will make more when I get my heads back on [Wink] Be on the look out when Nate's car is done cause it's gonna be a potent ass 306 making more power than 99% of the EFI stroker's in Norcal.
 
Posted by cobraman_1994 (Member # 467) on :
 
how does the cobra intake match up to the AFR 185's? here's the combo:
DSS sportsman 331
AFR 185's
1.6 roller rockers
dont know what cam yet
70mm tb
75mm maf
42lbs injectors
cartech street sleeper kit [Wink]
 




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