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[QUOTE]Originally posted by bwkelley76: [QB] Casey pretty much already got his answer but I'll allow him to speak for himself on that. I think it's funny that everyone keeps plugging a dead thread. I really have no need to say anything nor do I care but I'm a little bored at the moment so here goes. I can rattle on about nonsense just as good as the next guy. I like the stroked 351 Idea actually, depending on which combo you use, it's actually not a bad combo. Obviously too much motor for what Casey wants, as may even be the case with the 331. The only reason any of this even started was because I stated that the 347 was not my choice of motor and "Superman 347-boy" decided to become the poster child and defend it, and then boast about his buddy's combo and called me out on the table and tried to prove me wrong about why "I" like the 331 better than the 347. How can someone prove me wrong about my own preference? LOL It's my opinion, if you don't like it move on. I believe I stated my case quite well, especially with casey's needs in mind. No one has told anyone how to build a motor here either. As far as my education goes I appreciate that you folks are interested in what I'm doing in my project/fun class while I further my automotive knowledge and experience. My past experience can speak for itself and most of you will never know what I've done over the years as I feel no need to brag about it. My future experience has plenty more to come. Just because I'm currently back in school don't be too quick to judge my abilities either. I hope you all enjoy my thread about the '65. More to come by the way. It's a work in progress and I actually saved it from an engine builder that thought bigger was better and just bolted on a bunch of parts and tried to kill it. I didn't "chose" a 14-second setup for this car either as someone here proclaimed. If the thing runs 14's as-is I'll be quite happy. If you read up I'm building the car up with what it came with and I'm taking lemons and making lemonade. As one person has already said on my behalf, it's a classic 'stang with quite a few more focuses than the motor. I'm not the one that brought it to the thread. Actually thanks for doing so those of you that did, it shows I just might actually know something about cars. lol If you wanted to compare apples to apples then I could reference my 331 project on my '90 LX from 6 years ago. It was unlike any 331 you have ever seen and the internals would shock the meager. But personally I haven't felt the need. I'm enjoying watching fools act like fools much better. I usually only talk about my competitive projects to my friends and those that seem interested, and NEVER use it to brag and prove someone wrong. That would just be let's say "cocky"? :) That car in my build thread is by no means going to see the race track on a regular basis if at all. The car is a real POS. I bought it that way and once I get it back in good safe running condition, depending on how well it all goes, I may just donate it to my lady-friend or just drive it on some short cruises on the weekends. ..or just say the hell with it, tub it, cage it, and put a real motor in it. Who knows what the future may bring. All that matters to me is I"m capable if I want to make it a race car or whatever I wanted to. For now it's uncertain. For now I have fun tinkering with my toys and telling smug people they are full of shit when they act like punks and interrupt what I'm trying to tell someone that has a question directed at my experience. By the way, I haven't heard any stories of 331's that 93 has built in comparison to a 347. I've heard a lot of "so-called" comparisons but no engine is the same just due to bolt-on parts. Just because two engines have the same or comparable parts does not meant they are a match in their potentials. Combination is EVERYTHING and a 331 combo will be different than a 347. What it boils down to is I guess some of us stick with what we are partial to and only put "extra love" into what we think is "cool". To each their own and that's cool for the average joe. Shop owners have a tendency to limit themselves if they don't like something, and seriously what's not to like about a 331? 347's have had their "lists" of problems and although they have come a long way they still have a tainted past. So from time to time you're going to hear bad opinions about the 347. That does not give anyone the right to jump all over them and brag about "the one near you". lol. I must advise any shop owner to keep an open mind the next time a 331 comes into their shop because if that person knows they don't like 331's they will not be too interested in bringing it to them. The fastest way to kill a specialty business is to focus too much on one thing, put down people or even worse tried and true equipment with a blemish-free past time. I've NEVER until now been told a 331 was a POS by any shop owner especially. Now 347's, that's another story. It's like telling someone a chevy 327 is a POS, or hell even the 283. They lasted forever and won a lot of races in their day and if someone wants to use one today they can still brag about how well it will hold up next to "Joe Shmo's 383 stroker"...LOL. Most of all what cracks me up about all of this is I have no reputation to uphold nor do I care what anyone thinks. That's my life, that's how I live it and hell I don't have a shop to run. No disrespect to anyone either and to quote someone else it's all gravy here. I've made plenty of friends due to my "opposition" to said person's boastful info, and quite frankly I'm glad I didn't lie back and let "Mr. Wonderful" tell me how I should like my motors. I'm by no means the only one that thinks he's smug and promotes "bad business" either. Too bad for him, and well, it doesn't really matter to me. Some people brag and some don't, and the ones that don't brag have more business and in the end more friends. I've met many a genius successful engine builder and most of them are stand up individuals and know how to be professional and laugh at the thought of new business owners that run around forums trying to win arguments and try to prove their theories instead of working hard at pleasing their customers and learning a thing or two along the way. Some folks just know way too much to crack a book, too. I used to be that way, I know! 93 you have a long way to go and good luck in your future as a business owner. I must warn you however the "buzz" around the forum world is not the best and I hope it doesn't effect your business in the long run. I'm sure you're a heck of an engine tuner and a genius engine builder. Use it to better yourself, not to prove the guy wrong that very well may have used his retirement to have you build his hot-rod. If you piss him off he wont give a crap how much you know and he'll take his money to someone else. Remember for every 1 person you piss off, there are 10 that would rather not do business with you. Another frame of mind I will always obtain is no one cares how much you know until they know how much you care. Think about it. I have no reason to build engines and line my pockets to prove my theories like some folks do. I do what I do in my own leisure and for fun. I'd rather watch what the jackasses do and learn from their mistakes when their customers come to me to fix it. Especially since i"ll do it for fun and a 6-pack of beer on most occasions. That's mostly how I've learned what I know in this business. :) Also just a foot-note from the wise to the cocky, any technician that claims they haven't had a comeback or failure has an asshole lined with gold or they screwed up so bad no one will bring it back to them...LOL There is rarely a middle ground. ...and a personal thanks from gents like me and my employers for the business in the past and the future for said screw-ups. :) SO I have an idea if Casey is for it, we can change the name of this thread to "How many broken 331's are out there?" and once few or NONE reply we can change the name to "How many broken 347's are out there?" and really have some fun. What do you say Casey? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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