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Topic: cam gurus please help, cam swap on a budget?
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LQ9SN95
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i have done.....
ecam
afr 165 heads
equal length headers no cats and 1 chambers
ported upper and lower
75mm tb
jlt cai
fpr
i think thats it.
anyway, im tired of my e cam. i want my car to run better, sound better and pull more to like 6,000rpm not die at like 5k like my Ecam
im thinking maybe like crower, crane, lunati? i know i need better springs for custom and comp cams so that wont happen any time soon.
im on a budget so i wanna know what cam u guys recommend that i can get and just swap out with out having to change springs, locks, seals, and retainers cuz i know that is pricey. im thinking my ford racing lifters, cloyes timing chain, stock cobra rocker, and afr valvetrain should be good enough to handle a cam that is better than a Ecam
so whats a good cam and if i have to change anything what do i need?
[ October 15, 2008, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: F8LSN8K ]
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f-303.
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Originally posted by F8LSN8K:
eh.....the hell with alphabet cams. i need something good ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
if haulinassmotorsports matt ran a ten whatever the fuck with it, I see no reason to diss it. i loved the sound and power of mine. probably gonna pick another one up here shortly.
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whitelx91
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I would definately go with something other then ford cams simply because there are better out there, but you cant go with much more lift on the stock bottom end. Try this trick folw cam (TFS-51402000) it not only utilizes a little more lift but more duration on the exhaust where ford motors are weak. I had this cam in my 306 and loved it, and you have plenty of spring height to run this cam simply swap it out. I would also suggest running a smaller T/B that 75mm may be hurting your power.
SuistyangS
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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
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Originally posted by F8LSN8K:
eh.....the hell with alphabet cams. i need something good
if haulinassmotorsports matt ran a ten whatever the fuck with it, I see no reason to diss it. i loved the sound and power of mine. probably gonna pick another one up here shortly.
u shoulda said that then ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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If You are only making power to 5,000 rpm then You most likely just need to change the vavle spring's. I was dropping power at 5200 rpm with My afr 185's "weak ass spring's unless You paid for the upgraded" and F cam & when I changed the spring's it rev's clean till 6,500 rpm redline. You should address this problem 1st & also with the rite tool it is possible to do the spring's with the head's on the car.
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turbo50
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Originally posted by SmokinLX:
If You are only making power to 5,000 rpm then You most likely just need to change the vavle spring's. I was dropping power at 5200 rpm with My afr 185's "weak ass spring's unless You paid for the upgraded" and F cam & when I changed the spring's it rev's clean till 6,500 rpm redline. You should address this problem 1st & also with the rite tool it is possible to do the spring's with the head's on the car.
Ditto those springs are probably tired.
I have a tfs stage 2 cam for sale also...just a plug...but you would probably need to flycut..
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LQ9SN95
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Originally posted by whitelx91:
I would definately go with something other then ford cams simply because there are better out there, but you cant go with much more lift on the stock bottom end. Try this trick folw cam (TFS-51402000) it not only utilizes a little more lift but more duration on the exhaust where ford motors are weak. I had this cam in my 306 and loved it, and you have plenty of spring height to run this cam simply swap it out. I would also suggest running a smaller T/B that 75mm may be hurting your power.
SuistyangS
i talked to Shuan about that cam, and he said it wouldnt do much more better than the Ecam
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Lq9 swap
102 fast intake
Trick flow heads
T rex cam
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Originally posted by SmokinLX:
If You are only making power to 5,000 rpm then You most likely just need to change the vavle spring's. I was dropping power at 5200 rpm with My afr 185's "weak ass spring's unless You paid for the upgraded" and F cam & when I changed the spring's it rev's clean till 6,500 rpm redline. You should address this problem 1st & also with the rite tool it is possible to do the spring's with the head's on the car.
well i bout the heads from someone on the site. they are double springs, are they upgraded? are the afr non upgraded springs single?
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Originally posted by F8LSN8K:
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Originally posted by whitelx91:
I would definately go with something other then ford cams simply because there are better out there, but you cant go with much more lift on the stock bottom end. Try this trick folw cam (TFS-51402000) it not only utilizes a little more lift but more duration on the exhaust where ford motors are weak. I had this cam in my 306 and loved it, and you have plenty of spring height to run this cam simply swap it out. I would also suggest running a smaller T/B that 75mm may be hurting your power.
SuistyangS
i talked to Shuan about that cam, and he said it wouldnt do much more better than the Ecam
nothing that works with the valve springs you have now will be very different than an e-cam at all.
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whitelx91
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Originally posted by F8LSN8K:
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Originally posted by whitelx91:
I would definately go with something other then ford cams simply because there are better out there, but you cant go with much more lift on the stock bottom end. Try this trick folw cam (TFS-51402000) it not only utilizes a little more lift but more duration on the exhaust where ford motors are weak. I had this cam in my 306 and loved it, and you have plenty of spring height to run this cam simply swap it out. I would also suggest running a smaller T/B that 75mm may be hurting your power.
SuistyangS
i talked to Shuan about that cam, and he said it wouldnt do much more better than the Ecam
Itll give you a little more rpm just like the f-cam just try keeping the lift under 520 and look more at the LSA or duration for more rpm. Also i assumed your heads were new maybe your springs are a little worn ive heard numerous downfalls on AFRs valvetrain. BTW my 306 with that trick flow cam and 1.6s pulled up towards 7000 rpm, and ran 12.20 with 9.1 compression. Keep this in mind all motors run different.
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whitelx91
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Also AFR even recommends you upgrade there springs if you want more rpm, even that said hydraulic cams typically max out at around 6200 neways so your gonna need stiffer springs regardless if you want rpm. Also if you have adjustable rockers you preload them a little more for rpm.
SuistangS
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turbo50
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so regardless, probably good idea to do springs?
You need new springs.
It is not uncommon at all with AFRs. Are these older 165s? Pedestal mount?
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whitelx91
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Try afr #8605 they say these should spin more then 6000 no problem
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turbo50
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Originally posted by turbo50:
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Originally posted by F8LSN8K:
so regardless, probably good idea to do springs?
Are these older 165s? Pedestal mount?
maybe, define older?
and yes pedestal
Older as in manufactured prior to 8/04
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Try afr #8605 they say these should spin more then 6000 no problem
SuistangS
can i just change springs? what about the rest of the parts?
damnit im really hating cars right now! ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
I see you on Norcal1320. Call Angie over at Dave's machine and have her set your heads up for you. She gives awesome deals and with a weekend of hard work and some gaskets/oil/coolant and plugs you will be on the way to making your 5 point slow run even harder!
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LQ9SN95
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Originally posted by turbo50:
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Originally posted by F8LSN8K:
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Originally posted by turbo50:
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Originally posted by F8LSN8K:
so regardless, probably good idea to do springs?
Are these older 165s? Pedestal mount?
maybe, define older?
and yes pedestal
Older as in manufactured prior to 8/04
not sure man, how come?
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There is only one correct way to get the right cam. Call professionals instead of asking random people who do not know themselves. As for suggesting an F cam, there is no comparison between these two engines. Matt sprayed that car into the 10's. Totally different animal.
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I am really liking the XE comp HR cams. they won't work as well as a custom but you get nice power out of them plus the smaller ones will allow you to pass the Ca. smog test. With your set up I would be looking in the mid 260 adv duration area. that being said I actualy liked my E-cam.With the XE cams you need to know what valve springs you have to make sure they are compatible. Good luck.
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There is only one correct way to get the right cam. Call professionals instead of asking random people who do not know themselves. As for suggesting an F cam, there is no comparison between these two engines. Matt sprayed that car into the 10's. Totally different animal.
Before you assume ppl dont know nething try opening a book yourself and dont get ahead of yourself. I might be a little gangsta if i say so myself! ![[BS flag]](graemlins/bs_flag.gif)
SuistangS
[ October 15, 2008, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: whitelx91 ]
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