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REDLIGHTING
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Internals for a stroker what would CAFORDS reckamand,
'Going to be blown' IN A DART BLOCK
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302 or 351 based...?
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REDLIGHTING
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302/363
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Originally posted by REDLIGHTING:
302/363
...... I'm assuming you would like to bore a 302 to a 363... First off , a 363 is 302 based . The start of which begins with a 3.4 inch stroke crank and 5.4 inch connecting rods and a 4.125 inch cylinder bore diameter.
You can piece this setup together with a variety of parts or you can order a kit or shortblock. The only company I can think of off hand that sells this stroker setup complete is D.S.S. Racing .
Hope that helps . ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
[ January 20, 2012, 09:34 PM: Message edited by: RONIN ]
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blkfoxbody89
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This is what I've been saving for, for my turbo'd dart application. I'll be starting a build thread in the next few days. since I'm pulling parts off the car to install the turbo kit on my stock block, when it cracks the block I'll put together the 4 bolt iron eagle.
http://www.coasthigh.com/Ford-363-big-bore-engine-kits-s/13045.htm (reverse dome) should give me some room to grow. With the 850hp rating.
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Make sure you get pistons to match your heads.
If your running Trick Flow heads you need the pistons to match,
And if your boosting it make sure you get a big enough dish "reverse Dome" so that the compression is where you want it.
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if your planning a 363 Build you better start looking into aftermarket blocks now. a stock block will never go 4-1/8" bore i.e. 4.125. I have seen very few stock blocks go to 4.060. when going to a 363 essentially all you are doing is building a 347 with a BIG bore.
ford motorsport now offers a 363 crate motor as well as roush you may try those two places first to see if a rotating assembly is offered. as mentioned sit down and decide what what you will be doing with the motor so correct piston can be ordered to tailor your compression ration to your needs.
my question though is why 363? not knocking it. just curious because if your looking to Add cubes you can build a 351W and with a .030 over bore I remember it being in the area of a 357 c.i.d. building one of these will cost you a LOT less and it is very easy to disguise them as a 302 to keep the smog shop happy.
I know everyone says they got a smog "hook up" but how much is it going to be or WILL IT EVEN BE AVAILABLE once all the smog shops get the mandatory cameras installed which will be a live feed that can be monitored by the state?
not trying to rain on your parade but some good stuff to think about.
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Originally posted by v-town coupe:
if your planning a 363 Build you better start looking into aftermarket blocks now. a stock block will never go 4-1/8" bore i.e. 4.125. I have seen very few stock blocks go to 4.060. when going to a 363 essentially all you are doing is building a 347 with a BIG bore.
ford motorsport now offers a 363 crate motor as well as roush you may try those two places first to see if a rotating assembly is offered. as mentioned sit down and decide what what you will be doing with the motor so correct piston can be ordered to tailor your compression ration to your needs.
my question though is why 363? not knocking it. just curious because if your looking to Add cubes you can build a 351W and with a .030 over bore I remember it being in the area of a 357 c.i.d. building one of these will cost you a LOT less and it is very easy to disguise them as a 302 to keep the smog shop happy.
I know everyone says they got a smog "hook up" but how much is it going to be or WILL IT EVEN BE AVAILABLE once all the smog shops get the mandatory cameras installed which will be a live feed that can be monitored by the state?
not trying to rain on your parade but some good stuff to think about.
im pretty sure he said in his original post that hes going with a dart block.
+1 on the 351 based engine.
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Originally posted by blkfoxbody89:
This is what I've been saving for, for my turbo'd dart application. I'll be starting a build thread in the next few days. since I'm pulling parts off the car to install the turbo kit on my stock block, when it cracks the block I'll put together the 4 bolt iron eagle.
http://www.coasthigh.com/Ford-363-big-bore-engine-kits-s/13045.htm (reverse dome) should give me some room to grow. With the 850hp rating.
Not knocking your recommendation but honestly, if you're going to throw the money into a dart/4- bolt block...the last thing I would do is buy a "budget" type of kit that is rated way less than the block could hold....
also, if you're building a turbo dart block with 850HP rated parts...I wouldn't go 363...a 327 or 331 will need a smaller turbo that will have less lag and be faster than a 363 that will need a larger turbo....researching on yellowbullet or turbomustangs will tell you that...sure if you're going to have AFR 205's, a 363, and an 88mmi...then you're shooting for big power...but a LOT more than that kit you posted will handle.
It may cost more but if you piece together a good forged crank, rods, and pistons on your own plus items like arp2000 bolts and hellfire rings...you'll be into a bottom end about 2400-2600....but it'll have the ability to handle 1100-1200 flywheel....and you won't have to worry about grenading it...if you're willing to spend the big coin, then yeah I would think of a 363...but once again, it's all in your plans with it too..
and when thinking of building an engine to handle high HP...not sure why trying to be budget minded comes into place....yes a 357W would be cheaper to build but depending on if the motor is boosted or not, it may not be the best option for going windsor unless he's ready to spend a lot more money on heads, intake, etc....which then again brings into question...low budget, high hp????
a properly boosted and stroked 302 based block will make great power and be stupid fast if the money is spent right....just ask Lee and a few of his friends how many 8 second passes they have made on just a "little" 331.....
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my bad guess i overlooked the whole "dart" thing.
disreguard my 351w rant. I was more less thinking a budget 351W if you want the cubes and a 6-8psi for a nice budget setup but it sounds like O.p. is looking to do more then that.
if your heart is set on 363 pretty much look into a 347 kit but with 4.125 to get your 363. word of caution because of the deck height and stroke the wrist pin leaves you with no ring landing. Ive heard of people going with some 5.315 length rod to give you a little more meat on the piston another option would be to build a 331 in an aftermarket block with a 4.125 bore and it would give around 347 cid that would live a lot longer then a 363. if you are going to boost the shit out of it go with the 331 platform it will have a WAAAAY friendlier rod angle and will live a long time when built correct, not to mention if you go aftermarket block CID can be somewhat tailored when a "big bore" 4.125 piston can be used.
[ January 23, 2012, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: v-town coupe ]
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