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FRC_Kid
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okay this is for a 95 guys:
I'm getting a tune here real soon and I'm trying to figure out how to cut down on the cost of it.. $500 is a grip for a college kid ya know..
Would it be chaper to buy a used SCT chip than go to the tuner? or just bring them the $500 and let them run with it?
Also if I just pay the tuner do they give me a chip or do they just reflash my ECU? I don't know much about it.. enlighten me!!!!
Also anyone on here do tunes for a CAFORDS hook-up.. help a fellow mustanger out!!!!!
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you need a chip for whatever tuning software the tuner you decide to go with uses, going used it usually fine to save a few bucks.
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I just got quoted for $900 for a tune without a chip at a shop ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
where can I got thats reasonable
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Wht mods are done to your car? Are you sure you really need a chip? True, the map of the 94-95 cars is a tad lazy but there are other ways around that with a simple timing change. Unless you have quite a bid done I would not get a chip, and I would NEVER buy a use chip.
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Originally posted by copcar:
Wht mods are done to your car? Are you sure you really need a chip? True, the map of the 94-95 cars is a tad lazy but there are other ways around that with a simple timing change. Unless you have quite a bid done I would not get a chip, and I would NEVER buy a use chip.
It will have full bolt ons and an S-trim... I'm ditching the FMU and going with 39lbs and LMAF... I want a tune just to know my car is on point 100%.. it's a daily driver.. Also I thought I could buy a used chip than get it reflashed once I get the tune? I don't plan on getting a used chip and using the tune on it... Or should I just go purchase it new still??
I figure might as well get a tune now, than later on once I do some major mods I will have atleast the minor bugs worked out and the tuner would be familiar with the car...
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Let me know what you figure out man. I've got pretty much the same setup as you and am trying to figure it out.
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Originally posted by BOOSTED92GT:
Let me know what you figure out man. I've got pretty much the same setup as you and am trying to figure it out.
You want to know my power #'s or where I end up going to get a tune at bro?
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AED is the only way to go for a tune you should call them and see what they say.
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Originally posted by 5.0 with some go:
AED is the only way to go for a tune you should call them and see what they say.
only? ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Originally posted by 5.0 with some go:
AED is the only way to go for a tune you should call them and see what they say.
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Originally posted by vortek01gt:
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Originally posted by 5.0 with some go:
AED is the only way to go for a tune you should call them and see what they say.
+1
+2 ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
But I will call.. just that they are in no means local to me guys!!!
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With a blower setup I think you're going to want a custom tune. AED would definitley be a good choice but if you want to stay closer, a buddy of mine tunes in Hayward...the shop is called Gearhead (next door to Rob's Machine shop). I'm not exactly sure what he charges but it'd be a lot cheaper if you could buy a used chip and bring it to him.
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Lmaf is the wrong choice for your setup. It will not even run withou. A custom chip.
You want a cheaper solution?
1. Buy a Pro-M maff
2. Adjustable FPR
3. MSD BTM
With this setup you might not need a chip which will save you some $$$. Of course you will not be able to rev above the stock rev limiter.
Tuning on the dyno can be done using the adjustable FPR, base timing and the BTM.....at $200 per hour. Avg time on the dyno with a good running setup (no complications) is 1.5 -2 hours.
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
Lmaf is the wrong choice for your setup. It will not even run withou. A custom chip.
You want a cheaper solution?
1. Buy a Pro-M maff
2. Adjustable FPR
3. MSD BTM
With this setup you might not need a chip which will save you some $$$. Of course you will not be able to rev above the stock rev limiter.
Tuning on the dyno can be done using the adjustable FPR, base timing and the BTM.....at $200 per hour. Avg time on the dyno with a good running setup (no complications) is 1.5 -2 hours.
But would this route be safe like a dyno tune would be? Car is a Dail Driver as of the moment.. I need it to last untill spring.. I have the MSD box, and FPR and can get a Pro-M.. if it'll be safe... LMK..
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I wouldn't do it if it wasn't safe. It's simply an old school way to tune these cars.
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
I wouldn't do it if it wasn't safe. It's simply an old school way to tune these cars.
I'll send you a PM with a rundown of some detailed questions
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
Lmaf is the wrong choice for your setup. It will not even run withou. A custom chip.
You want a cheaper solution?
1. Buy a Pro-M maff
2. Adjustable FPR
3. MSD BTM
With this setup you might not need a chip which will save you some $$$. Of course you will not be able to rev above the stock rev limiter.
Tuning on the dyno can be done using the adjustable FPR, base timing and the BTM.....at $200 per hour. Avg time on the dyno with a good running setup (no complications) is 1.5 -2 hours.
I ran my daiy driven H/C/I S-trimmed coupe with this setup for 2 years. Just needed to make sure i had good gas and bought an AEM Wideband to make sure that it was safe when I got into it.....Car ran great but I know would have benefited a lot more from a tune....
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Originally posted by cali95gt:
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Originally posted by BOOSTED92GT:
Let me know what you figure out man. I've got pretty much the same setup as you and am trying to figure it out.
You want to know my power #'s or where I end up going to get a tune at bro?
Where you go. I need one aswell!
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Originally posted by C6Z06s_own_50Deep:
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
Lmaf is the wrong choice for your setup. It will not even run withou. A custom chip.
You want a cheaper solution?
1. Buy a Pro-M maff
2. Adjustable FPR
3. MSD BTM
With this setup you might not need a chip which will save you some $$$. Of course you will not be able to rev above the stock rev limiter.
Tuning on the dyno can be done using the adjustable FPR, base timing and the BTM.....at $200 per hour. Avg time on the dyno with a good running setup (no complications) is 1.5 -2 hours.
I ran my daiy driven H/C/I S-trimmed coupe with this setup for 2 years. Just needed to make sure i had good gas and bought an AEM Wideband to make sure that it was safe when I got into it.....Car ran great but I know would have benefited a lot more from a tune....
This is true. Although the stock timing curve isn't bad for boost (curve minus base timing, or using a BTM), there is rooom for improvment by using a 'boosted' timing curve. Which is more timing under 3000RPM, then ramping down, and adjusting for Air Temp correcly....plus modifying the Barro and ECT tables for a performance boosted setup. And the fact that some setups can really use a higher rev limit than 6250.
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FOR ALL 94/95 GUYS-
Beware of tuners because A LOT of tuners do NOT have a lot of experience with the cbaza strategy, (94/95 ecu's) They are a lot different from the foxes, they are more complicated, a lot more. A lot of people decide to swap to the fox ecu's but many 94/95 tuners say do not do this because the 94/95 computer is far more superior, that is a fact. The processors in the 94/95 ecu's are much much faster than the foxes ecu's, our computers are a lot better they just have a lame tune from factory.
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FOR ALL 94/95 GUYS-
Beware of tuners because A LOT of tuners do NOT have a lot of experience with the cbaza strategy, (94/95 ecu's) They are a lot different from the foxes, they are more complicated, a lot more. A lot of people decide to swap to the fox ecu's but many 94/95 tuners say do not do this because the 94/95 computer is far more superior, that is a fact. The processors in the 94/95 ecu's are much much faster than the foxes ecu's, our computers are a lot better they just have a lame tune from factory.
I was told our ECU's are slow ass shit and I can't use a Lightning MAF for these reasons
I have seen multiple 94/95 dyno vids with a Lightning MAF.. Is a calibrated MAF a must or does it just make life on the tuner a lot easier???
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Who ever told you that does not know what they are talking about, I can bring a guy on here that is a 94/95 ecu guru, he TRULY is. Our 94/95 ecu's are far more superior than the foxes in a few ways, The processors are much faster anyone that tell's you different does not know anything about the 94/95 ecu's. granted our computers are much much much harder to tune but they are better, they just have a weak tune from factory and that was the cause of ford warranty costs and stricter smog regulations. trust me on this find a good tuner that has a lot of experience with the cbaza strategy. Many will "claim" they do if they haven't to get business, so do your homework on the tuner.
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Originally posted by kennebellgt:
Who ever told you that does not know what they are talking about, I can bring a guy on here that is a 94/95 ecu guru, he TRULY is. Our 94/95 ecu's are far more superior than the foxes in a few ways, The processors are much faster anyone that tell's you different does not know anything about the 94/95 ecu's. granted our computers are much much much harder to tune but they are better, they just have a weak tune from factory and that was the cause of ford warranty costs and stricter smog regulations. trust me on this find a good tuner that has a lot of experience with the cbaza strategy. Many will "claim" they do if they haven't to get business, so do your homework on the tuner.
Thanks for the heads up bro... have you taken your 95 to get tuned yet? if so where'd you go?
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I have not taken mine in yet, I have h/c/i and haven't really had any problems, maybe because I chose the correct cam for the 94/95's ecu's. I have heard horror stories of people getting cams and having issue's with idle and other things. thus why I chose the correct cam specs for the 94/95 ecu's. I would really like to get the tip in retard removed. people have seen improvements in the 1/4 mile times up to 4 tenths because of our tip in retards, Thats what makes are cars slower, a lot of people bag on our cars little do they know its just the ecu, and can be simply fixed they also dont know that our ecu's are better and faster
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by the way about me getting it tuned, I have not found a tuner that fully knows our ecu's. I'm looking ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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