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Sydewayz_Stan
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i got a stock block/heads/cam thats nearing death and need a few ideas on how to get my temporary goal of 350 hp/torque since i gotta rebuild or get a new block anyways. i got a c&l 73mm cold air for 19#, bbk cold air, bbk 65mm tb& spacer, edelbrock performer upper & lower, stock fuel system, bbk equal length headers, stock h-pipe, spintech catback, i got 2000-2500 bucks to play with and i'm trying to stay smog legal also. any ideas would be greatly appreciated, thanks cafords.
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Get a used supercharger! ![[burnout]](graemlins/burnout.gif)
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i need a rebuild anyway though im burnin a lot of oil...
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LONG TUBES 175 SHOT OF NOS NX ZEX AND FLY
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Turbo!!!!! or a Supercharger
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[ September 10, 2010, 09:52 AM: Message edited by: sydewayzLX50 ]
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[ September 10, 2010, 09:50 AM: Message edited by: sydewayzLX50 ]
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Good ideas, but i should've made it clearer that i'll be using the money to build my motor to add s/c and meth injection later. So what im sayin is i'd like to get to 350 hp on motor only, w/ 2000-2500 bucks to spend.
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Originally posted by sydewayzLX50:
Good ideas, but i should've made it clearer that i'll be using the money to build my motor to add s/c and meth injection later. So what im sayin is i'd like to get to 350 hp on motor only, w/ 2000-2500 bucks to spend.
You will need a set of ported headds, ported intaked, and matching cam to make 350 N/A on a 302..
it is possible.. just don't fall for the "get iron GT-40's ported" idea and you will be fine...
and a tune!!!
but thats prob a tad bit over 2500..
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wilit
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Originally posted by sydewayzLX50:
Good ideas, but i should've made it clearer that i'll be using the money to build my motor to add s/c and meth injection later. So what im sayin is i'd like to get to 350 hp on motor only, w/ 2000-2500 bucks to spend.
You will need a set of ported headds, ported intaked, and matching cam to make 350 N/A on a 302..
it is possible.. just don't fall for the "get iron GT-40's ported" idea and you will be fine...
and a tune!!!
but thats prob a tad bit over 2500..
Can you make 350hp with a 302 with low enough compression to add the SC later? I think it'd be pretty hard to hit that number with only 302 cubes without going to 10:1 compression or higher.
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84SVOrick
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Originally posted by wilit:
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Originally posted by cali95gt:
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Originally posted by sydewayzLX50:
Good ideas, but i should've made it clearer that i'll be using the money to build my motor to add s/c and meth injection later. So what im sayin is i'd like to get to 350 hp on motor only, w/ 2000-2500 bucks to spend.
You will need a set of ported headds, ported intaked, and matching cam to make 350 N/A on a 302..
it is possible.. just don't fall for the "get iron GT-40's ported" idea and you will be fine...
and a tune!!!
but thats prob a tad bit over 2500..
Can you make 350hp with a 302 with low enough compression to add the SC later? I think it'd be pretty hard to hit that number with only 302 cubes without going to 10:1 compression or higher.
+1 like he said u gotta drop your compression if your gonna be stuffing tons of air in, all the fasr n/a cars run tons of compression. But now thats a good thing in my opinion bcuz of all this smog shit im considering going smog legal....lol i lied. But i know u can get 350hp on low conpression with more money.
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some aluminum heads, the right cam and then hit it with some juice and you will be there.
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What about getting the block bored .030 over, getting a 306 rotating assy. and running afr 165s with 64cc chambers do you think i could run 8-10 lbs. of boost later on with that setup? Or do i need a bigger combustion chamber?
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Originally posted by cali95gt:
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Originally posted by sydewayzLX50:
Good ideas, but i should've made it clearer that i'll be using the money to build my motor to add s/c and meth injection later. So what im sayin is i'd like to get to 350 hp on motor only, w/ 2000-2500 bucks to spend.
You will need a set of ported headds, ported intaked, and matching cam to make 350 N/A on a 302..
it is possible.. just don't fall for the "get iron GT-40's ported" idea and you will be fine...
and a tune!!!
but thats prob a tad bit over 2500..
Are you positive you cant get 350 out of ported gt40s? seems pretty doable to me, depends alot on wut rotating assembly you got along with cam and your valve train.
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Gt40s suck king kongs dick...go with some real heads and some go juice..u will be there easy
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Originally posted by sydewayzLX50:
What about getting the block bored .030 over, getting a 306 rotating assy. and running afr 165s with 64cc chambers do you think i could run 8-10 lbs. of boost later on with that setup? Or do i need a bigger combustion chamber?
You're leaving out some important info... What pistons are you using?
When you say you want 350hp are you talking at the rear wheels or at the flywheel? Because I don't think you'll come close to 350rwhp NA for $2k and make it able to run boost later.
If you figure 15% driveline loss, 350rwhp is 400fwhp. That's a lot for a 302. You need some decent compression to hit that number. If you're talking 350fwhp, that's 295rwhp. That's definitely doable with a good cam, 165's and decent exhaust with a stock shortblock and 60cc chambers (about 9.3:1 compression).
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Originally posted by cali95gt:
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Originally posted by sydewayzLX50:
Good ideas, but i should've made it clearer that i'll be using the money to build my motor to add s/c and meth injection later. So what im sayin is i'd like to get to 350 hp on motor only, w/ 2000-2500 bucks to spend.
You will need a set of ported headds, ported intaked, and matching cam to make 350 N/A on a 302..
it is possible.. just don't fall for the "get iron GT-40's ported" idea and you will be fine...
and a tune!!!
but thats prob a tad bit over 2500..
Are you positive you cant get 350 out of ported gt40s? seems pretty doable to me, depends alot on wut rotating assembly you got along with cam and your valve train.
Positive NO.. have I ever seen, heard, or read about that happening NO.. So i'm going to stick with Theory of No.. ported gt-40 irons with matching ported intake manifolds put out 300 rwhp give or take a few hp.. thats with a tune, and a lot of luck.. and the port work to make that type of power is not cheap..
"Out of box" Aluminum heads > ported Gt-40 Irons
than port the Aluminums and you have something with potential and lighter..
Compression does have a lot to deal with the power you make.. don't want to run too high of a compression motor since Cali only has 91 Octane which sucks ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
Custom Cam is prob a must, Def cant pull that off with a "lettered" cam
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So your saying just because you havent seen heard or read about it means it doesnt exist? Ive done some research and have found it to be quite doable http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forulms/classic-talk/120304-302-horse-power.html
I thought the same thing the guy has a 66 302 with .030 over which is basically a stock bore, gt40s mild cam rr's and everything is ported, gets like 360 to the rear
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Originally posted by 84SVOrick:
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Originally posted by cali95gt:
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Originally posted by sydewayzLX50:
Good ideas, but i should've made it clearer that i'll be using the money to build my motor to add s/c and meth injection later. So what im sayin is i'd like to get to 350 hp on motor only, w/ 2000-2500 bucks to spend.
You will need a set of ported headds, ported intaked, and matching cam to make 350 N/A on a 302..
there's a gas station in San Leandro that sells 100 octane gasoline called VP...which is like 3 exits from my house ![[Smile]](smile.gif) lol
it is possible.. just don't fall for the "get iron GT-40's ported" idea and you will be fine...
and a tune!!!
but thats prob a tad bit over 2500..
Are you positive you cant get 350 out of ported gt40s? seems pretty doable to me, depends alot on wut rotating assembly you got along with cam and your valve train.
Positive NO.. have I ever seen, heard, or read about that happening NO.. So i'm going to stick with Theory of No.. ported gt-40 irons with matching ported intake manifolds put out 300 rwhp give or take a few hp.. thats with a tune, and a lot of luck.. and the port work to make that type of power is not cheap..
"Out of box" Aluminum heads > ported Gt-40 Irons
than port the Aluminums and you have something with potential and lighter..
Compression does have a lot to deal with the power you make.. don't want to run too high of a compression motor since Cali only has 91 Octane which sucks
Custom Cam is prob a must, Def cant pull that off with a "lettered" cam
I don't know everything but I do know a little something
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Originally posted by 84SVOrick:
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Originally posted by cali95gt:
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Originally posted by sydewayzLX50:
Good ideas, but i should've made it clearer that i'll be using the money to build my motor to add s/c and meth injection later. So what im sayin is i'd like to get to 350 hp on motor only, w/ 2000-2500 bucks to spend.
You will need a set of ported headds, ported intaked, and matching cam to make 350 N/A on a 302..
it is possible.. just don't fall for the "get iron GT-40's ported" idea and you will be fine...
and a tune!!!
but thats prob a tad bit over 2500..
Are you positive you cant get 350 out of ported gt40s? seems pretty doable to me, depends alot on wut rotating assembly you got along with cam and your valve train.
Positive NO.. have I ever seen, heard, or read about that happening NO.. So i'm going to stick with Theory of No.. ported gt-40 irons with matching ported intake manifolds put out 300 rwhp give or take a few hp.. thats with a tune, and a lot of luck.. and the port work to make that type of power is not cheap..
"Out of box" Aluminum heads > ported Gt-40 Irons
than port the Aluminums and you have something with potential and lighter..
Compression does have a lot to deal with the power you make.. don't want to run too high of a compression motor since Cali only has 91 Octane which sucks
Custom Cam is prob a must, Def cant pull that off with a "lettered" cam
I don't know everything but I do know a little something
there's a gas station in San Leandro that sells 100 octane gasoline called VP...which is like 3 exits from my house lol
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Yes alumin is lighter and can flow a bit better, but has the tendency to swell at high temps and move around on the block. Dont forget about warp.
Cast iron is heavier and stronger, but burns fuel better so gives you more fuel burned and not wasted. is weight always a factor?
But to each his own, like to hear how we all know a lil sumin sumin ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Yes alumin is lighter and can flow a bit better, but has the tendency to swell at high temps and move around on the block. Dont forget about warp.
Cast iron is heavier and stronger, but burns fuel better so gives you more fuel burned and not wasted. is weight always a factor?
But to each his own, like to hear how we all know a lil sumin sumin
Where in the world did you read/learn this? Stay the hell away from Google!
To the OP, you can run a NA setup that will push 350rwhp and can be used with a SC later on, given the correct parts and whatnot are used. Unfortunately, $2500 isn't going to cut it. You're looking at a easy $1k in machine work and assembly alone. This doesn't include heads, cam, or other parts..
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After i got my 302rebuild't in jan this year i called up shawn AED and he said with my setup i will not make 350hp even with a port job. he said i could spend $400 to $500 bucks and might barly get 330hp. and i got trick flow top end kit and long tube on my 302. he said the fastest way to get to 350hp in my case is the juice ZEX kit.
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