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well the other nite i tune my notch.made 316 whp 338 wtq na.
415 whp and 500 wtq on a 125 shot.
combo is a 3300 lbs with driver notch
car HOOKS went a 1.79 n/a 60 ft and a 1.59 on a 125 60ft.

But the car wont mph to save its life.103 on motor and 112 on bottle.

has a 3000 stall 3.73s and 28s.On the wire this fucker should have trapped atleast 115 to 117.It gets in high gear and just dies.Is the tire to tall?or is that just the way aods work.

I ran almost the same exact power with a stick car and went 10mph faster na and bottle.

And the power under the curve is nice,like i said it makes great pop down low 60fts hard and dies in high gear.

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Originally posted by 90lxfoxbody:
well the other nite i tune my notch.made 316 whp 338 wtq na.
415 whp and 500 wtq on a 125 shot.
combo is a 3300 lbs with driver notch
car HOOKS went a 1.79 n/a 60 ft and a 1.59 on a 125 60ft.

But the car wont mph to save its life.103 on motor and 112 on bottle.

has a 3000 stall 3.73s and 28s.On the wire this fucker should have trapped atleast 115 to 117.It gets in high gear and just dies.Is the tire to tall?or is that just the way aods work.

I ran almost the same exact power with a stick car and went 10mph faster na and bottle.

And the power under the curve is nice,like i said it makes great pop down low 60fts hard and dies in high gear.

What was Your 1/8th mph & ET? You running a locked up converter non lockup? Who is the manufacturer of the stall "not B&M I hope [Razz] ". What is Your shift rpm in 3rd & what are You going through the trap's at? I was running a 26 inch tall tire with 373's and going through the trap's I have touched the rev limiter at 6500 rpm @ 127 mph, which lead's Me to believe You are going through the trap's way below Your shift point which is killing Your MPH. Plus if You don't have a good converter in there then it is eating up Your MPH with it's ineffeciency.

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non lock up.not sure of brand.

i was on 28s and going threw on the jug at 5800 or so.car makes max power at 5600 and i shift at 6000.Im on a stock short block so i try not to rev the piss out of it.Im thinking its the converter also.Im going to go throw it back on the dyno and double check the tune right now.Thanks for the input.
What converter do you guys recomend if i stay witht he aod?

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1/8th mile mph was 94ish on the bottle.

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What type of cam u have in there? Get one from Andersons that will Rev to the 6500/7000 rpm range and a stud girdle to keep the block together. Ur car shouldn't give up in the top end with this cam.... [patriot]

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Yeah I don't have My slip's infront of Me now but You should be trapping higher in the 1/4. Order a real converter from www.edgeracingconverters.com and You will talk to Andre who will set You up & You won't be dissapointed [worship] .

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Originally posted by GRIGGYJAMESJIMBO:
What type of cam u have in there? Get one from Andersons that will Rev to the 6500/7000 rpm range and a stud girdle to keep the block together. Ur car shouldn't give up in the top end with this cam.... [patriot]

brilliant, you do that and tell us how it goes [Roll Eyes]

everything about that post was hilarious

nate, is it a stock aod or built, if stock it might be driving through

but more than likely its the converter, those junkyard specials only work in pickups (only if they are blue and white that is [Big Grin] )

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Eric it has some sort of aftermarket converter,it is shift kitted aod,bangs 2nd and 3rd gear pretty hard.

i have a mikes c4 with a art car 4000 i might stick in it.


and to the guy who said put a anderson cam in my stock short block and rev it to 7000.YOUR A TOOL...

Also my cam is a tfs1.

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Old setup whipple and jug 9.37 155
New twins hoping for 8.50s at 165

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Well figured out the shitty mph.Tonite had a race setup with a evo for some bling.Did a test pass on the way out and the car drove threw high gear.So then i did a motor pass and i can feel it slip real bad now.New tranny time.

Should i stay with the aod?can i get a decent priced one that will live at 450to 500whp range?If not should i do a c4?i really like the od just dont know if you can make a aod live and not spend a zillon dollars on it.

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Ya I own that Cobra
Old setup whipple and jug 9.37 155
New twins hoping for 8.50s at 165

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Originally posted by 90lxfoxbody:
Well figured out the shitty mph.Tonite had a race setup with a evo for some bling.Did a test pass on the way out and the car drove threw high gear.So then i did a motor pass and i can feel it slip real bad now.New tranny time.

Should i stay with the aod?can i get a decent priced one that will live at 450to 500whp range?If not should i do a c4?i really like the od just dont know if you can make a aod live and not spend a zillon dollars on it.

Not quite sure how much it'll run ya but a pretty good pennny i would imagine.

Smokinlx would have a good idea as his is pretty stout now after the upgrades he has done.

Did you run the evo?

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sounds like a high gear clutch pack. Check the fluid you should see that its burnt or has metal in it, or both. You'll also have to get the converter flushed so its a good idea to have that checked also. Sometimes you can lay the fins down on the converter and it will blow though. But if its just doing it in high gear it sounds like the high gear clutch pack. And the fluid should reflect it.

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http://www.clickclickracing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1571

Here is some info for You. Once You get on this site do some checking around and there is an abondance of info for You to soak up there. It will be expensive to do it rite, but if You want to keep the OD "driveability" then it's is going to cost more than a c4.

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Cool thanks guys.i was doing some reading and i guess the aod doesnt apply full pressure in high and od like it does in 2nd and low.
Fluid isnt to bad and high gear is still there but its on its way out.I have a mikes ultimate c4 sitting in a box ,but its really for my other fox.I guess no more racing till i get the trans sorted out.Again thanks for the input guys.

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Ya I own that Cobra
Old setup whipple and jug 9.37 155
New twins hoping for 8.50s at 165

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Originally posted by 90lxfoxbody:
Cool thanks guys.i was doing some reading and i guess the aod doesnt apply full pressure in high and od like it does in 2nd and low.
Fluid isnt to bad and high gear is still there but its on its way out.I have a mikes ultimate c4 sitting in a box ,but its really for my other fox.I guess no more racing till i get the trans sorted out.Again thanks for the input guys.

That's probably why all the aod's I see that are still running behind decent horsepower are manual valve bodied ones so they can hold constant line pressure. Yours isn't a manual valve body right?

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ditch the tv cable and auto shifting and go with a full manual valve body. Seems like the norm on click click to get AODs to live. That is what I am doing. While it is apart good time for mech diode and stamped steel clutch packs if it doesnt have them already. Also I see that most folks making big power never get on the car hard in OD.

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No just a shift kit.and i never beat on it in od.I thought about going manual v body forsure.

Im so torn i can do a real nice c4 for about the aod.Its not like this car makes a ton of power.n/a is 320whp and bottle ranges from 415 to 500 whp.

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Old setup whipple and jug 9.37 155
New twins hoping for 8.50s at 165

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Originally posted by 90lxfoxbody:
No just a shift kit.and i never beat on it in od.I thought about going manual v body forsure.

Im so torn i can do a real nice c4 for about the aod.Its not like this car makes a ton of power.n/a is 320whp and bottle ranges from 415 to 500 whp.

No You aer'nt making a ton of Hp but still a good amount, but You are probably making alot of torque with the nitrous which is what will destroy the tranny. You need to get a lentech manual valve body so that You put OD on a switch and that leaves You a spot for each gear [Wink] . Do You do the 1-d-1 shuffle to hold second gear? I went through 2 stock rebuild's and a B&M tranny before I built My tranny & I realized that You absolutley need the lentech valve, tranny cooler, one piece input shaft, I used the red clutches, A servo, and synthetic tranny fluid. They have a list of component's with part #'s on that clickclick site that I linked to earlier in the post. I figure I spent around 3500 on the tranny, manual valvebody "with tranny brake", and converter, but You could save a few hundred by getting the lentech valvebody without the tranny brake bringing You around 3000. I paid to have all the work done on the tranny also [Embarrassed] , I don't know much about mechanic's inside them so it was a no brainer for Me so You could save on the labor too?

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i have a guy who will build it really cheap and does fabulous work.I just needed a run down of what i needed.And yes im doing the 1d1 shuffle lol.It seems so wrong to do that to lol.Thanks alot for the info.I will check into it.

what is the min i need to get.
input valve body and a good servo and red clutchs?

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New twins hoping for 8.50s at 165

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Wow them aod things are expensive! My trans was $2200 brand new and its built to the hilt. But my converter was also $2200.

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Originally posted by cummins:
Wow them aod things are expensive! My trans was $2200 brand new and its built to the hilt. But my converter was also $2200.

http://www.lentechautomatics.com/aodproducts.html# You can say that again! My valvebody was $729 plus tax and shipping from canada! The rebuld & labor was $2300 and the torque converter was around $600 buck's. Im sure by the time You add up what a GOOD manual tranny & clutch cost's new You would be in the same ballpark rite? 90lxfoxbody do Your homework on the www.clickclickracing.com before You buy anything! I believe they have a bare minimum list there but just by looking at Your list I can see You are missing a 1 piece input shaft $200 and a tranny cooler which can be had for under $100. I would love to take You for a ride in My stang to give You an idea of how a built AOD preform's.
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I have a HUGE cooler already.its a od car now.one guy on there said without a t brake there is no need for the input shaft.
big clutchs v body servo and a red kit and kevlar bands.but even that i will be into it for almost as much as a spent on my mikes c4.lolFucking aod junk lol.I can pickup a used 3550 or tko 500 for 1100 to 1500 or do a decent cr for around the same 1100 or so.So im torn at this point.it still works as of now and it is my daily so i think im going to think long and hard about this coice.i only work 10 minutes from home and very rarely go out of town other then to race and it gets tailored anyway.

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Ya I own that Cobra
Old setup whipple and jug 9.37 155
New twins hoping for 8.50s at 165

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Yeah I remember when someone on here sold a nice setup in the ford sale section for arond 2500 BUCK'. Might try the C4 for a bit since it sound's like yOU don't do alot of driving with the car.

[ September 01, 2007, 02:44 AM: Message edited by: SmokinLX ]

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