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Jockin 03 Cobras
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hey fellas im looking to get a dyno tune for my buddies 92 GT. its got all the goodies in the motor and theres nothing else to add so its time for a tune. I met up with a real cool guy from CDT and im looking at going to him. but i wanted to see who else does good dyno tunes in your guys opinions and also who not to go to. I heard Jeff S was a bad ass when it came to tuning but i dont know where he works. Also could you guys give me a ballpark idea of what a dyno tune usually runs? so any help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated
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Just PM JeffS or 93Pony...it's probably around 600 for the chip and tune. The shop is in Santa Clara.
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havent heard anything bad about 93pony, cdt, or newtech
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Jockin 03 Cobras
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yeah im going to get into contact with 93 pony tomorrow. i remember meeting him at the track during the ford GM shootout. cool cat. I guess its going to come down to what i hear about them and how knowledgeable they sound. anyone else got any opinions? feel free to PM me if you dont want to flame anyone and start another apex war
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jeff s tuned my car and 93 pony has worked on my car. and imo there both bad ass. no complaints
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I'd take it to CDT
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Once again can't really go wrong with any of the 3 listed.
fyi - I don't think Jeff is doing much tuning i think Shaun is doing most of it at this time from what i hear.
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take it to apex!!! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
yeah.. right.
Check your pms.
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JeffS doesn't tune anymore....93Pony took over his tuning shop....but I'd recommend him to anyone about tuning a fox...he knows his shit
[ July 20, 2006, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: jordan_0806 ]
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Jockin 03 Cobras
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I got in touch with 93PONY. smart man that didnt try to play me. Told me that with my boys setup that a dyno tune would be unnecessary. so money saved.
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hidnn.o.s.
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If the car has "all the goodies" it could deffinitely bennefit from a tune ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Jockin 03 Cobras
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im sure his car could benefit from a tune as well. but the 5-10 hp gain he would recieve wouldnt be worth the 500+ dollars spent on a tune. thats money better spent on suspension or other areas if he doesnt decide to stroke it or go forced induction
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SmokinLX
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As long as the idle and driveability is ok You should be fine. I only gained about 10 rwhp when I got My car tuned back when it was NA. He would be better off getting some lightweight rim's and drag radial's in the back if He does'nt already have em.
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hidnn.o.s.
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If you only gain 10 RWHP I'd question your tuner. Best of luck.
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93PONY
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As long as drivability & idle are under control, a tune is all about getting the correct A/F & timing curve for WOT performance....along with removing the stock rev limiter in applications that need it.
For the pre 99 cars with returnless fuel systems, as long as the A/F curve (Maff curve based) is relatively flat, anyone can 'dial in' the A/F at the dragstrip with consistant passes & an adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
Timing on a 5.0 is easy....& the factory stock WOT timing curve is not bad at all for most mild combinations. In these mild applications simply adding base timing will yeild most of the power gained once the A/F is dialed in.
& as long as the combo makes peak power around 5800 or under, there is no need to remove the factory rev limiter since you'd be shifting the combo under 6200 anyway.
For more radical combinations like strokers, big cams, high compression & high RPM, (and of course boost) a tune is definately needed to extract the most out of the combo & dial in idle/drivability.
From my experience most Heads/cam/intake 302-306's cam be dialed in with fuel pressure & timing adjustments (assuming a properly calibrated mass-air). Gains on the dyno are typically just that....on the dyno. The track loads down the motor differently & minor timing/fuel prersure adjustments are not uncommon to extract the best ET/MPH at the track with a Foxbody.
Back when I was having Byron tune my cars I took the wife's N/A stock shortblock combo to him for several tunes. Before taking it to him I'd tune it at the track using fuel pressure & base timing to give me the best ET/MPH. On the dyno Byron made more power by setting base timing to stock (10) & mapping his own timing curve after dialing in a flat A/F curve. Back at the track the car would go 2mph SLOWER on average. Adding 1-2psi fuel pressure & 2 degrees timing resulted in a gain of 2mph....or back to the performance BEFORE it was tuned. The motor needed more fuel & timing at the track.....even though on the dyno it did not gain any power from more timing & fuel. Same with a few of my buddies mild N/A 302/306 combos tuned by Byron. Hell, even some of the N/A stroker combos I've tuned on this board have gained even more MPH at the track from a little more timing....even though on the dyno they would not see any gains.
Point is, I'm not about to recomend a chip & tune ($500+) on a mild combination that may only see a 5-10hp increase (on the dyno) as oppose to dialing it in at the track with components the car already has. $500 for 10hp on a 12-13 second car does not seem worth it to me.
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hidnn.o.s.
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
If you only gain 10 RWHP I'd question your tuner. Best of luck.
ditto
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SmokinLX
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Yeah the tune I speak of was a Byron tune at mustang ranch, but He was just coming in as a sub or whatever when they needed someone to do a tune on a stang. I put 280/280 down through an aod and was still happy with the #'s at the time, but when I saw 270 the first pull I thought I would be close to 300 RWHP.
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LOL, you guys are soooo tied up with peak hp. I recently saw a tune where the owner picked up just "under" 5 "peak" RWHP. He was THRILLED! On the base pass his graph was extremely spikey and his AFR was not optimum. After the tune his graph was INCREDIBLY smooth and it was "UP" 20 RWHP from 2k ALL THE WAY UP TO 6 where it evened out at peak. The car felt incredible to him now when he punched it and pulled far better than he had ever felt it before.
Peak hp is not all there is to a tune.......
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SmokinLX
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
LOL, you guys are soooo tied up with peak hp. I recently saw a tune where the owner picked up just "under" 5 "peak" RWHP. He was THRILLED! On the base pass his graph was extremely spikey and his AFR was not optimum. After the tune his graph was INCREDIBLY smooth and it was "UP" 20 RWHP from 2k ALL THE WAY UP TO 6 where it evened out at peak. The car felt incredible to him now when he punched it and pulled far better than he had ever felt it before.
Peak hp is not all there is to a tune.......
If I was tied up with peak #'s I would'nt have an AOD car with a non lock up converter. My dyno was'nt "spikey" so the only thing I gained was 10 rwhp and piece of mind that it was'nt running lean so as I stated before I was happy with the tune overall.
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Originally posted by SmokinLX:
If I was tied up with peak #'s I would'nt have an AOD car with a non lock up converter. My dyno was'nt "spikey" so the only thing I gained was 10 rwhp and piece of mind that it was'nt running lean so as I stated before I was happy with the tune overall. [/QUOTE]
And if I was referring specifically to you I would have stated so.
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With an n/a car sometimes a chip isn't really necessary and you get get the car dialed in pretty well just using fuel pressure and timing. A lot of people get tunes to cover up driveablility issues as well...
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dyno tune great but it is not worth to spend over $500 dollars on a tune if car is running good.I have a 306 with a trim blower on with 11psi of boost an the car runs great.I also call RPM an talked to brad an he told me it would be over $1100 dollars to tune my with a chip.Not worth it to me to spend that much money. I would say the same thing if the car is running good an idle is good leave it alone an have fun. ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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93PONY
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
quote:
Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
If you only gain 10 RWHP I'd question your tuner. Best of luck.
ditto
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I'm not like other buisness owners....I'm not about to recomend a tune if the gains don't justify the cost. This is the reasoning behind advising against a tune for this particular application. It has nothing to do with my tuning ability.
For those that question my tuning ability, all you need to do is check out the fastest list.
http://www.californiafords.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000992
I've either built & tuned, or just tuned these local examples....which are some of the fastest cars for what they are. #8 holds the Northern California record for any 03/04 Cobra. #13 & 15 are 2 of only a handfull of 10 second N/A 347's in the Country. Again, 2 of the fastest N/A cars on the site.
#8
#12
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#15
#38
& I'm sure many others but I don't know their screen names.
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
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Originally posted by SmokinLX:
If I was tied up with peak #'s I would'nt have an AOD car with a non lock up converter. My dyno was'nt "spikey" so the only thing I gained was 10 rwhp and piece of mind that it was'nt running lean so as I stated before I was happy with the tune overall.
And if I was referring specifically to you I would have stated so. [/QUOTE]
No problem here.
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Jockin 03 Cobras
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I told u 93PONY knew his shit. gave me good sound advice that saved me a lot of money rather than tune a car and have me spend a load of money that didnt need to be spent. but i can guarantee you he will be the first one i call when the time comes
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