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Topic: Trying to pick a good blower
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DropTopFox
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I'm gonna have a 331 built by Keith Craft with about 8.5:1. stage 2 ported AFR 185's, TFS track heat ported. AFM cam and then everything else will just be the cheap way out pretty much to make it run nicely. Anywho, I was thinking a Vortech S-trim stage 2 kit from AFM(14psi) and then get myself an Aftercooler and have Byron give me a nice tune. Does anyone run an S-trim with an aftercooler? If so how good did it work? I hear VOrtech's won't make too great of power but the Vortech I saw when I dynoed my car did it's job. Would you guys go with this VOrtech setup or would a Procharger with the same boost and the intercooler make more power? By the way this car will be a daily driver. Thanks for your opinions.
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Posts: 4003 | From: San Bruno | Registered: Aug 2002
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hidnn.o.s.
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Hey man, a friend of mine has a 331 with a R intake, edelbrock heads and a custom cam, topped by an S trim making 12psi. Heads and intake are not ported and he made 532 the first time on the dyno "untuned" on pump gas.
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Joshs Ford
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I think you should go with Procharger.
"ProCharger, not just blowing hot air"
I think you would make more power going with all procharger things, versus going with vortec.
Josh
Posts: 692 | From: San Ramon CA, | Registered: Jan 2002
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Aren't you still in high school? How do you have all this money?
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Posts: 3954 | From: Thebay | Registered: Jul 2002
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DropTopFox
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I have one job that makes $120 a week, then a summer job that makes $350 a week, another summer job that makes $60 a week, and a job that makes $80 a week. You could say I don't set myself up with too much free time. I'm expecting to pull 5g's this summer maybe more, then a $3,000 graduation present from the parental units and then work all the rest of next year too cause I'm only going to a JC. Remember I told you Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. I take it too heart and instead of waiting till I have the money to figure it out when I get the money I can just order it. Work hard and anything is possible
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Posts: 4003 | From: San Bruno | Registered: Aug 2002
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91GR40LX
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I'm running s-trim aftercooler combo. dyno'd at 540 rear wheel. 306 w/bolt-ons. No complaints. Oh yeah, pullied for 14psi...seeing 11-12psi @ 6000rpm.
Posts: 340 | From: East Bay | Registered: May 2002
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1990GT50
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i would go with the procharger its cheeper and comes with an intercooler
Posts: 877 | From: Benicia | Registered: Nov 2002
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DropTopFox
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93pony hit me up on AIM, littlewarddmc. You have to explain this whole turbo thing to me cause I don't know jack shit about turbos. I kind of don't want to cause my friend Ken is going to turbo his 93 cobra and my other friend Sean is running basically the same setup I am going to get ehre soon and he's getting a T66 put on it. I need to be convinced why to go with the turbo and not the Blower.
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Posts: 4003 | From: San Bruno | Registered: Aug 2002
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93PONY
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Originally posted by PseudoCobra:
93pony hit me up on AIM, littlewarddmc. You have to explain this whole turbo thing to me cause I don't know jack shit about turbos. I kind of don't want to cause my friend Ken is going to turbo his 93 cobra and my other friend Sean is running basically the same setup I am going to get ehre soon and he's getting a T66 put on it. I need to be convinced why to go with the turbo and not the Blower.
You don't want to be the slower then your friends do you? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Can't get on AIM at work...
Go to Boarders (or any large book store) & pick up a book called 'Maximum Boost' by Corkey Bell. It explains in detail why/how a turbo system works....& why it'll make more power then any other poweradder...& why it's easier on the motor. I'd love to chat about it, but I'm at work....& even though I'm bored I don't have enough time to explain the in's & out's of the benifits of a turbo system.
However, these guys can explain the benifits. Just be patient, they're mostly ME's & don't really like blower heads.
www.turbomustangs.com
www.turbomustangs.com/forum
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Posts: 4265 | From: Fair Oaks, CA | Registered: Nov 2000
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Quick 88LX
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If the turbo Idea falls through for whatever reason, GET A PROCHARGER. They ARE cheaper, better customer service, better overall product, and come with an Air to Air intercooler. Can't beat that no matter what folks say. No diss on Vortech, but they are really expensive when you can get more from a Prochager.
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Posts: 1785 | From: Fairfield, CA/Okinawa, Japan | Registered: Oct 2002
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Stimson
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You can never go wrong with the time proven S trim. The S trim with the combo above will be more than the block can handle anyways. Why re-invent the wheel when the Vortech S trim has been such a proven reliable power maker over the years? Come out to any of our events and talk to the Vortech guys, or the procharger guy or the turbo guy. Go to the track and talk to the Vortech guys, or the procharger guy. See what kind of numbers they're getting with their choice and how reliable it has been for them
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DropTopFox
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How would the S-trim be too much for that block, I'd probably be pushing about 12 psi with the 14 psi pulley on. 8.5 compression is pretty low and built for a blower I don't understand why that wouldn't handle the blower. Explain that to me Sawson cause it makes no sense to have a motor specifically built for a blower that couldn't handle one. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Posts: 4003 | From: San Bruno | Registered: Aug 2002
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Stimson
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12-14 psi is moving a lot of air with those 300+ cfm heads! That S trim will be pullied up a lot more than say 12-14 psi on a stock 5.O motor. You'll be well past the 500 rwhp mark, you probably don't want to go too much further than this with the stock block. Also, instead of 'stage 2' porting AFR185's, look into the new TFS high ports, they flow amazing well when ported. They cost less than the 185's, yet flow more out of the box, and flow even more than the AFR185's when 'equally' ported. No smog stuff with these heads though ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posts: 2373 | Registered: Jun 2000
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Jeff S
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PseudoCobra,
Either a Vortech S-trim or a Novi 2000 would work great on the combo you're talking about. I would suggest not getting either kit from AFM as you can get them MUCH cheaper elsewhere. You may want to check out www.novipower.com www.vortechpower.com and www.prochargerpower.com to make your own decision on which brand/model you'd like to go with and where to purchase it from.
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Posts: 2121 | From: San Jose, CA | Registered: Aug 2001
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Jeff S
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Quick 88LX,
I'm not sure where you're shopping or what version Procharger you are comparing to what version Vortech but I don't see how a Procharger, especially one with an intercooler, is cheaper than a Vortech.
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Posts: 2121 | From: San Jose, CA | Registered: Aug 2001
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Jeff S
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PseudoCobra,
I would also suggest NOT building a 331ci stroker UNLESS it is going to be based on a Sportsman, R-302, or Dart block. You will be able to make as much power as a stock block will be able to handle with a stock 302. Spending $2000+ on a 306, or stroker is a complete waste of $ IMHO. The weak point is going to be the block, not the internals.
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'10 ZR1: FOR SALE
'14 E63 S: RENNtech ECU
'04 Gallardo: UGR TTG
Posts: 2121 | From: San Jose, CA | Registered: Aug 2001
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Stimson
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A agree with that Jeff S guy. A probperly build 5.O can bust the stock block, even with the stock (forged piston'd) short block. 29 extra cubes doesnt' make much of a difference on a boosted car anyways. You can make it up with more head flow and/or more boost on a 302:D
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Jeff S
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Holy moly Sawson and I actually agreed on something!
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Posts: 2121 | From: San Jose, CA | Registered: Aug 2001
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Stimson
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Dude, you have a AFM camed, trick flow headed Vortech blown (paxton=vortech in my book now) 10 second 5.O from Texas....you're my bud ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Jeff S
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Just wait to see what ET and MPH I get out of it! 9 second ET's with a stick are soon to come! ![[burnout]](graemlins/burnout.gif)
[ March 13, 2003, 01:13 AM: Message edited by: Jeff S ]
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Posts: 2121 | From: San Jose, CA | Registered: Aug 2001
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Chris M.
Ignore me, all I do is argue online!
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i've seen two guys running mid 9s with prochargers and i think i saw maybe 1 with a vortech and it was a ys, not an s.
my opinion is that procharger is dominating the race scene, the novi2000 (only paxton worth a damn) is one of the best all around blowers, and the vortec SQ (vortec please discontinue the horrible sounding s trim) is the best stock motor baseline blower.
turbos beat everything
nitrous is gay because you run out and it likes compression
Posts: 2828 | From: West Bay, CA | Registered: Aug 2002
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DropTopFox
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This won't be on a stock block, it's going to be a brand new everything, I don't know where anyone got the idea that it would be a stock block. By the way, I'm leaning towards the turbo idea presented by 93pony. I'm almost thoroughly convinced that I can't beat a turbos potential with a blower. ![[worship]](graemlins/worship.gif)
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Posts: 4003 | From: San Bruno | Registered: Aug 2002
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1SLOWLX
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Making that much power you are going to need a proper fuel system also. Huge injectors and a bunch of other shit. If I were you I would just build myself an all motor car that runs low 11's and put the juice on it if you want to go faster
Posts: 5231 | From: bay area | Registered: Nov 2001
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