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Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
I wish someone that races at Infineon and knows how to drive would buy one of the new 5.0's. There are too many out there with guys that should have bought automatics and their poor driving is giving the new 5.0's a bad rap! One of them was running 13.9 last night and there were 2 others in the 13's! WTF is that! I wanted to drive his car so bad to show him what it is capable of. There were also a bunch of GT500's in the 13's. They do have decent mph so I know they have power. My car is missing the blower right now, so I only had 1.5mph on one of the guys but I was 1.5 seconds quicker! My Nitto's were marginally better than his tires but I am sure I could get it to run pretty deep into the 12's.

At least Shawn is showing what they can do at Sac Raceway.
 
Posted by FOXX5.0 (Member # 9094) on :
 
Wow 13.9 smh was it that blue one ? I was there yesterday too
 
Posted by fastivab6tg25mr (Member # 11446) on :
 
one at sac was running around 13.0 last night
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
No, it was a white one in the Gear Jammer class. There was also a black one in the GJ class running mid 13's. The Grabber blue one in Street must have been modified because it ran 112mph. I wanted to go talk to that guy. I heard part of one of his runs and it sounded like he had good shifts, but he ran 13.1 at 112mph so his launch must have been pretty bad. He had 2mph on me and I was .8 quicker.

The air was good last night, but the head wind was strong. All the oil downs were killing me. I got screwed out of my 3rd time trial and then spun in the first round and let a damn Camaro beat me. His .029 light to my .069 didn't help my case either!
 
Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
wheels/tires make all the difference in the world
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
Not that big of a difference. I ran 14.5 with my car bone stock at only 93.5mph the first time ever at the track and only 2 weeks after buying the car. This guy was 15mph faster and only 0.6 seconds quicker. I can guarantee you that I could get that car deep into the 12's. You could too! Didn't your 06 run a low 13 all stock? Add 100hp to that and better gear ratios. You could turn on traction control and bog the hell out of it off the line to keep it from spinning and it should still run a 13.2 or better. With good tires I have run 12.99 with 105mph. However, that was with 3.55 gears which are way too high for only running 105mph in the 1/4. I had to hit 4th too close to the finish line (3/4 track) and I was only around 4800 rpm when I crossed the line. The new 5.0's with 3.73's and a 1:1 5th gear are geared MUCH better for the strip.
 
Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
Wheels and tires are huge. The wheels drop A LOT of rotating weight and the tires allow you to drop the clutch, as you know! I ran a 13.2 stock, and a 12.701 with the DR's and a tune. I know I could have gone lower, but that car saw the track a total of 5 times :-(
Sad to say, but I have no real desire to give up a Wednesday night from the kids any more [Frown]
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
I have never run lightweight wheels before. I still run the stock Pony's with full size front tires.

Okay, so lightweight race wheels with skinnies up front, sticky tires on the back, and a tune gave you 5 tenths. Didn't you also have 4.10's? Anyway, that would bring the guy's 13.9 down to a 13.4. He can't drive! That is all I am saying. Are you really defending these guys that can't get their stock 412hp Stangs into the 12's? The automatics are in the 12's. If the guy's could drive, their manuals would be there too.
 
Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
Not defending anyone, just saying maybe 90% of people on the road CAN'T hook a regular street tire AT ALL! There were ALWAYS people with MORE mods and MPH than I, but far less ET with the 05+'s. Sears Point has a small/select group of us/friends that can drive a car to the best of its ability.

[ March 09, 2012, 05:15 PM: Message edited by: hidnn.o.s. ]
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
I just want to see these guys get better so they run quicker than the Camaros and Challengers. I am glad that they got the Mustangs and it is cool that they are taking them to the track, but I want to see some decent numbers out of them. It took a long time before I saw a well driven Challenger out their too. My Ram was quicker than one of them. I told the guy that he had to at least beat the 14.6 that my Ram did.

However, the quicker I see them run then the more I am going to want one and I know that will never happen!
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
Come out to Sac and see how 'slow' the new 5.0 is..... Tomorrow....
 
Posted by Notch1320 (Member # 2647) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Come out to Sac and see how 'slow' the new 5.0 is..... Tomorrow....
I was waiting for you to chime in. [burnout]
 
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on :
 
no i think they are fast i raced one on hwy 99 from laguna to mack it suprised me that i couldnt pull away saw the guy the next day at shell lol
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Come out to Sac and see how 'slow' the new 5.0 is..... Tomorrow....
Like I said in the original post, at least you are showing what they can do at Sac. I wish you ran it bone stock on the factory tread to see what is possible. What has Evan Smith done in one?

I know they are quick and I am waiting to see someone at Infineon that can get everything out of it. So far the only one I have seen in the 12's was an automatic. I want to see someone drive the manual well enough to keep up with the autos. I am sure that will be a difficult task on street tires since the auto will be MUCH easier to launch and the new auto's work so well with their high stall and close ratio's, but it can be done.
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
Okay, I found this in a forum talking about what Evan did with a 2011 5.0 in MM&FF magazine.

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He ran a 3.73, CS, on stock tires to 12.69 @ 112.49 with a 2.00 60' time. When they put the M/T stickies on, and got the launch rpms dialed in, he ran a 12.342 at 110.77 with a 1.758 60' time with daylight under the front tire.
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That is very impressive. These guys must be shifting really slowly and/or at the wrong rpm to be 4+mph off and over a second. There was one guy out there that hit 112mph but his was definitely louder than stock. He ran a low 13. I'll try to find him next time out and see if his is stock or not. I heard the last half of his run and he was shifting it quickly. He must have just had a bad launch.

Shawn, it is crazy how much more mph you are getting out of yours. Have you hit 122mph yet? If so, that is 10mph over a stocker! Are you sure you aren't hiding a supercharger somewhere! LOL!
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
11.07 @123.5 and 11.15 @124mph

Stock tires suck.
We see stock manuals at the track all the times. Most run 12.8-13.1 @108-109mph. Best I've seen is 12.6 @109.

Problem with 3.73 cars is running out of gear in 4th on stock tires/tune...they'll hit the limiter.
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
Yeah, it seems like they are geared perfect with 3.73's and the less than 1:1 4th gear as long as you don't modify it at all. I think I would get the 3.55's if I bought one so I could get 115mph out of it on short drag radials. Are you running 3.73's with huge tires?

Your times and speeds are crazy. Do you have a freak or do you think yours would have run 112mph stock? If you only lightened it by 400lbs, then you must have added 80hp. What does it dyno now?
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by need-a-cage:
Yeah, it seems like they are geared perfect with 3.73's and the less than 1:1 4th gear as long as you don't modify it at all. I think I would get the 3.55's if I bought one so I could get 115mph out of it on short drag radials. Are you running 3.73's with huge tires?

Your times and speeds are crazy. Do you have a freak or do you think yours would have run 112mph stock? If you only lightened it by 400lbs, then you must have added 80hp. What does it dyno now?
200lbs off of stock (3400lbs without driver)
3.73's netting 11.1 @122, 3.55's netted the above times. 28" tall tire.
432RWHP STD last time on the dyno with Gasoline. E85 was worth an extra 12HP.
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
Wow, if there is a 15% loss then you did add 80rwhp! Have you tuned anyone else's 5.0? If so, what were the results?

I wish I could buy one! In stock trim they have more mph than my car NA. Yours has as much mph as mine with 8psi of boost!
 
Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by need-a-cage:
Have you tuned anyone else's 5.0?

lol
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
Sorry Drew. I have been too busy to keep up with what you guys are doing over there. So what are the ET's, mph, and hp of some other AED tuned 5.0's? If I ever get one I may need to bring it up to you!
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
Bone stock as delivered from Ford with 87 in the tank my car put down 395STD on my dyno. I added 3 gallons of 104 and she put down 405. (ECU's have octane adjust)

I have not added 80HP. LOL

The ECU's pull power in a lot of ways to minimize warranty issues. Powershifting results in throttle blade closure (for instance), clutch protection doesn't allow hard tip-in of the TB as the clutch is released. Disabling parameters like these allow a good driver to take full advantage at the track.
They also have Advaced Traction control. From the factory on stock rubber it's actually difficult to spin the tires, but disable AdvanceTrac in the tune and you'll damn near hit a wall at the drag strip. Another parameter I disabled as I use slicks and don't have traction limitations.

Typical exhaust/tune, or intake/tune 5.0 we do will click off an 11 with a decent 60ft. (1.7 or better)
With a fast reving motor, weight reduction is huge, especially if you do rotating weight. Factory driveshafts weigh 43lbs, each Brembo wheel/tire 54lbs, Brembo 14" rotors 25lbs each.... That's a LOT of weight to turn over. I've reduced this by over 80lbs and have plans on reducing it further.
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
I didn't think that you added that much power, but you sure got a lot of mph out of it! I can't beleive it put down 395 stock on 87!

Damn I want one of these! They go around corners pretty well and stop too!

Keep up the good work. Maybe I'll make it over there some time to see it in action.
 
Posted by ToMorrow44 (Member # 11791) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by need-a-cage:
No, it was a white one in the Gear Jammer class. There was also a black one in the GJ class running mid 13's. The Grabber blue one in Street must have been modified because it ran 112mph. I wanted to go talk to that guy. I heard part of one of his runs and it sounded like he had good shifts, but he ran 13.1 at 112mph so his launch must have been pretty bad. He had 2mph on me and I was .8 quicker.

The air was good last night, but the head wind was strong. All the oil downs were killing me. I got screwed out of my 3rd time trial and then spun in the first round and let a damn Camaro beat me. His .029 light to my .069 didn't help my case either!
This blue mustang is a friend of mine. I had my blue 06 mustang out there last week too. He has an offroad x-pipe and mufflers, intake, and Jon Lund tune. That was his first time ever down the track and said he spun in 1st and 2nd. We both should be there this next week, weather permitting.
 
Posted by ToMorrow44 (Member # 11791) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by need-a-cage:

That is very impressive. These guys must be shifting really slowly and/or at the wrong rpm to be 4+mph off and over a second. There was one guy out there that hit 112mph but his was definitely louder than stock. He ran a low 13. I'll try to find him next time out and see if his is stock or not. I heard the last half of his run and he was shifting it quickly. He must have just had a bad launch.

Yeah he spun the tires off the line. The car could easily dip into the 12s. Come over and say hi! I'll be there every Wed if I can.
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
You guys should run in the Gear Jammer class for manual transmissions. I want to see more Mustangs, Camaros, Vettes, and Challengers over there.

I hope it doesn't rain this week because I can't make it next week. I still haven't mounted and balanced my sticky tires yet though. I am in the Reef Blue LX with stock Pony wheels. It has a vacant blower bracket on it right now.
 
Posted by SVTCOBRAFOREVER (Member # 4173) on :
 
2012 MT Bone stock 646miles on the car when I ran a best so far of 12.7@112mph with 3.31gears at Sac. 2.0 60ft.
 
Posted by SwEeT 03 Gt (Member # 10283) on :
 
12.4 with only cai and a 93 bama tune, these guys can drive and still hit 13.29 stock
both runs stock tires


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXlTu_usMXQ
 
Posted by Camara90 (Member # 134) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
12.4 with only cai and a 93 bama tune, these guys can drive and still hit 13.29 stock
both runs stock tires


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXlTu_usMXQ
These guys can drive? Dude they hit a 2.428 60 ft on the 13.2 run with the stock setup. There are far better drivers out there for sure.
 
Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :
 
I rented a 2011 5.0 for a week last year and thought the car hauled ass. I say that after having a few fairly fast cars myself.
As a bonus i also managed 26MPG..the week i had it. Maybe it was a good one..go figure.
 
Posted by slick5.0 (Member # 7521) on :
 
11.88 with just full exhaust and k&n drop in filter with slicks no tune 1.69 60 foot
 
Posted by 03SVT (Member # 5987) on :
 
They need the driver mod.
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by slick5.0:
11.88 with just full exhaust and k&n drop in filter with slicks no tune 1.69 60 foot
That is more like it. What was your mph? Get a tune!!
 
Posted by Liln2o (Member # 9652) on :
 
I got a 2012 and its fast as fuck with street tires and runs even better with tires....
 
Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Liln2o:
I got a 2012 and its fast as fuck with street tires and runs even better with tires....
Wow... We are all impressed an envious!
 
Posted by Liln2o (Member # 9652) on :
 
Wow ok... All im saying is there not slow at all...
 
Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Liln2o:
Wow ok... All im saying is there not slow at all...
Neither is a V6 Honda compared to the 4 bangers

His point was, 95% of the people taking them to the track can't drive them to the ET they should.

Yay.... Another mid-high 13 second 5.0 [Roll Eyes]

[ April 06, 2012, 10:23 AM: Message edited by: hidnn.o.s. ]
 
Posted by Ultrajetboat (Member # 11865) on :
 
That was me with the grabber blue. The problem isn't traction, it's wheel hop. It gets so severe it feels like the wheels are going to bounce through the wheel well. I had to completely let off the gas in 1st and 2nd to get the wheels to stop bouncing. And that was with a very slow launch hoping to prevent the hop. And I can't clean the tires off or do any sort of burnout because the tires just bounce. People have broken axle shafts because of it. The uca and lca's need replacing, but a big part of it is the crappy tires. The brembo cars suffer wheel hop the most.I have new lca's to put on for this Wednesday, then I'll be back in July with uca, drag radials and springs.
 
Posted by SVTCOBRAFOREVER (Member # 4173) on :
 
Wheel hop was a problem with my 2012 until I got use to driving it some more. I was at Infineon last wednesday.

The best I could run was a 12.9 @ 108mph with a 2.060ft at 35-40psi stock tires.

Sac Best 12.7@112 2.1 60ft stock tires at 20psi.

That track location is terrible for drag racing. The head wind killed my E.T.

[ April 07, 2012, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: SVTCOBRAFOREVER ]
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
Yes, there was a super strong 20mph headwind, but it was super cold and the air was really good. I hope to get a day with the air that good minus the headwind so I can beat my best NA run of 12.31 before I put the blower back on. I broke out in the semi final by .002 because they moved me to the right lane and I got my best 60ft of the night after I dialed up .02 because my previous run was my worst 60ft of the night. I ran 12.378 on a 12.38 dial in at 100mph. I lifted enough to drop 8.5mph without touching the brakes so it would have been another 12.31. It was running 108.5mph and would have hit 110mph without that headwind so I think a 12.2x is possible. That is my goal before the blower goes back on. I need to do it before it warms up though and my son has baseball on the next 3 Wednesdays! My 5 time trials ranged from 12.36-12.39 with speeds from 107.9-108.9mph with 60fts from 1.69-1.72. In the semi-final I got a 1.677 60ft. My 1000ft was identical to the 12.310 that I ran 2 years ago with this setup minus the new suspension changes. The suspension upgrades were to help it go around corners and I was afraid it would screw up the drag launches. On average it seems to only be off a couple hundredths in the 60ft than before so that is not bad. It definitely turns better and doesn't bottom out all the time now.

It sounds like I need to get the blower back on before that Grabber Blue 5.0 shows back up out there.
 
Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on :
 
The Rousch Wheel Hop reduction kit works wonders on the new Mustangs.
 
Posted by Liln2o (Member # 9652) on :
 
Bmr worked for me its good stuff
 
Posted by Ultrajetboat (Member # 11865) on :
 
I have some lca's that I need to install, then I'm getting a bmr uca. I was at 7000rpm in 4th across the line, I think with a good launch and no need to let off the gas I'll need to shift into 5th. I'm planning on running a drag radial thats .4" taller then the current tire, so that should keep me in 4th gear. I ran a 13.1 @112 mph with a 2.2 60 ft. I have lots of room for improvement. Unfortunately my transmission is showing some of the symptoms you can read about online, so I need to take it in for the tsb and see if theylle work on it or void my warranty :/
 
Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
That sucks about the trans! You have a good mph.

I think that if I got one I would get the 3.55's so I could make it a little faster and still be able to hold 4th. I would want to be able to modify it enough to run 118mph and still be in 4th with a short sidewall tire. That would be enough mph for 11.50, which is where you have to install the rollcage.
 




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