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Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
All classes must retain stock style suspension, retain full interior and body work (no lexan, fiberglass and carbon fiber allowed) and may run ANY tire. (Outlaw is exempt from these rules as they will follow PSCA Outlaw 10.5W class rules.)


Bracket I 11.49 and quicker $200 to winner, $100 to RU

Bracket II 11.50 and slower $100 to winner, $50 to RU

Truck Bracket $100 to winner, $50 to RU

Stock Motor $100 to winner, $50 to RU
Chevy Rules: All bolt ons allowed, stock motor internals. Stock cam and heads required.
Ford Rules: All bolt ons allowed, 302 with heads/cam/intake allowed.
'03/'04 Cobra: STOCK '03/'04 Cobra with catback exhaust ONLY.

Stock Motor + 1 Power Adder $200 to winner, $100 to RU
Chevy Rules: 346"/350" with overbore allowed and aftermarket internals (basically, stock CI.) All bolts ons allowed, heads/cam/intake allowed.
Ford Rules: 331/347/351 Ford allowed with aftermarket internals. All bolt ons allowed, heads/cam/intake allowed.
'03/'04 Cobra: All bolt ons allowed.

Stroker Motor NA $200 to winner $100 to RU
Chevy Rules: Must be based on original EFI motor (LS1/LS6/LS2/LT1/LT4/LT5/L98/etc) All bolt ons, heads/cam/intake, aftermarket internals, no CI displacement limit.
Ford Rules: Must be based on original EFI motor (5.0/351/FordModMotor/LC2/etc) All bolt ons, heads/cam/intake, aftermarket internals, no CI displacement limit.

Stroker Motor + 1 Power Adder $300 to winner $150 to RU
Chevy Rules: Same as Stroker Motor NA with one power adder.
Ford Rules: Same as Stroker Motor NA with one power adder.
"Power Adder" description: Nitrous (multiple stages) = 1 power adder. Turbo (single or twin) = 1 power adder. Supercharger or blower = 1 power adder.

Outlaw $500 to winner $250 to RU
Same as PSCA Outlaw 10.5W rules.

Jackpot Race $20 entry fee. Heads Up Winner Takes All. OUTLAW class not allowed. Multiple power adders, any tire, etc.
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
Norcal Shootout 2005
Sept 10th, 2005
Sacramento Raceway Park
6:00pm-11:00pm

$10 entry fee (PER PERSON)
$45 for tech card (This means it is $55 for car and driver...)
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
Norcal-LS1.com Shootout page

Norcal Shootout 2005 Sponsors!!!
 
Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on :
 
stock motor + one power adder sounds like my cup of tea [worship]
 
Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 
Thanks for posting Brian.

To everyone else, lets try and make a good Ford turnout this year to make up for last years no show on the Ford side! [patriot] [burnout]

These guys are going all out to have a good race. Lets go and support the Northern Califonia Racing scene. [Smile]
 
Posted by HungryHippo (Member # 537) on :
 
i might try the stock motor class, if not i'm definitely down to drink some beers and watch [Whoo Whooooo!]
 
Posted by John91coupe (Member # 18) on :
 
Are back seats required for Stroker motor + Power adder?
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
See the other post for the reply about the rear seats. Basically we don't want any sheet metal showing. If the Mustang has carpet under there, then good.


Also, we are going to try and get folks to head up to Octane Motorsports/Motorsports Lounge after the track to bench race, brag and drink some beers. They are one of the sponsors and it is a cool place to hang out. They serve sandwhiches, hot dogs, soon to have Mountain Mikes pizza, fries, buffalo wings, chicken strips, etc. Monster beers for reasonable prices, etc. Besides, they don't close until 2:00am on Fri/Sat night. Where else can we all go to hang out that late and not get in trouble?
 
Posted by John91coupe (Member # 18) on :
 
Thanks, replied in other thread.
 
Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on :
 
will there be any "qualifing" runs before the runs that count, so it wont be a guessing game as to how well the track is working, or if my car is working [Frown]

I went last year (carless) but dont remember the setup
 
Posted by twstd5.4 (Member # 1981) on :
 
So then regardless of how slow my car is, I will have to run the outlaw class because I have no interior...right? I believe so. [Frown]
 
Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on :
 
and in stock motor + power adder

it says aftermarket internals, does that mean aftermarket blocks are ok, or would that put you in stroker

not for me, just seeing if john91coupe will be able to run my class, because if he is i will just be cruising cause it wont matter much
 
Posted by twstd5.4 (Member # 1981) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66 AC COBRA:
and in stock motor + power adder

it says aftermarket internals, does that mean aftermarket blocks are ok, or would that put you in stroker

That's cool but it also says the following for the classes: retain full interior and body work (no lexan, fiberglass and carbon fiber allowed)
 
Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by twstd5.4:
quote:
Originally posted by 66 AC COBRA:
and in stock motor + power adder

it says aftermarket internals, does that mean aftermarket blocks are ok, or would that put you in stroker

That's cool but it also says the following for the classes: retain full interior and body work (no lexan, fiberglass and carbon fiber allowed)
look at the post times tony, i was writing that befor you hit the reply button, makes more sense if u read my first post then skip your post
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
Hmm, aftermarket blocks.... see, us GM guys don't have any aftermarket blocks for the LT1 or LS1 style motors, so we are at a disadvantage there. But then again, cubic inches are cubic inches. So if he is based on a stock CI (or for Ford, a small stroke that fits in the rules) he should be allowed into that class even with an aftermarket block.

We want this to be a fun event, and it won't be too fun if a car DOMINATES the field. It would be nice for that car/driver to step up to the next class for more competition.

As for engine swap cars and kit cars... Well those would be dropped into Outlaw as they don't really fit into the other classes. I think that will be a case by case basis.

As for any runs before the eliminations. Of course, there will be some time trials. Both to "feel out the track" and for the bracket folks to find their dial in.

Time trials will be from 6:00pm-8:00pm or so. Then eliminations will go from there.

If there is time during eliminations, we will also offer a "loser" lane or a grudge lane where you can line up with someone to race. This will not be a promised amount of runs, but when we have time between classes or downtime.
 
Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:
Hmm, aftermarket blocks.... see, us GM guys don't have any aftermarket blocks for the LT1 or LS1 style motors, so we are at a disadvantage there. But then again, cubic inches are cubic inches. So if he is based on a stock CI (or for Ford, a small stroke that fits in the rules) he should be allowed into that class even with an aftermarket block.

We want this to be a fun event, and it won't be too fun if a car DOMINATES the field. It would be nice for that car/driver to step up to the next class for more competition.

As for engine swap cars and kit cars... Well those would be dropped into Outlaw as they don't really fit into the other classes. I think that will be a case by case basis.

As for any runs before the eliminations. Of course, there will be some time trials. Both to "feel out the track" and for the bracket folks to find their dial in.

Time trials will be from 6:00pm-8:00pm or so. Then eliminations will go from there.

If there is time during eliminations, we will also offer a "loser" lane or a grudge lane where you can line up with someone to race. This will not be a promised amount of runs, but when we have time between classes or downtime.
well the ls1 block can also take more than 600hp, bastards [Big Grin]

thanks for clearing that up, and i dont think john would try and race stock motor poweradder unless he really has his heart set on that $200

but if he does, im not racin him [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 9Venom9 (Member # 2805) on :
 
So I am guessing a 99 Cobra witha Vortech would fall under Stock Motor + 1 Power Adder ?
 
Posted by RixSikCobra (Member # 5058) on :
 
Who knows where I'll fall in. I'll be there and the car is running excellent. All N02 issues resolved [dance]

I definitely sense a new personal best comin' [patriot] ....14 flat [Razz]

[ August 18, 2005, 05:04 AM: Message edited by: RixSikCobra ]
 
Posted by stockishlx (Member # 5804) on :
 
i'll be there running the stock motor class, when or lose its fun guys. [Big Grin]

i'll be there representing one of the sponcers. [dance]

[ August 18, 2005, 12:07 PM: Message edited by: stockishlx ]
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
There's no real advantage to an aftermarket block aside from it can handle more power. However, it is heavier then a stock block. IMO the Dart/FRPP blocks are comparable to the LS1 6.0L Iron block (if swapped into an F-body or Vette) as they *can* handle 1000hp when prepped correctly & also carry an extra 75lbs or so over an aluminum LS1 block. I don't believe many will be pushing 1000hp at this event...so it shouldn't be a problem.

As for the stock LS1 blocks handling 600hp, this is true, however most stock shortblock LS1's can not push much over 500RW without running into serious problems such as block distortion, rings butting up due to close tolerances which crack ring lands, etc. The vast majority of the aluminum LS1's are limited to 500RWHP reliably....just like the good 'ol 5.0.

Damn....I wish one of our cars was up & running so we could race!

Brian,
Not able to find a sponsor for the Heads & Cam N/A LS1 class?

-Shaun
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
It was hard enough finding sponsors for the classes we have now. Next year will bring a heads/cam, or bolt on with cam class I hope.

Thanks again for helping iron out the rules and making this as fair a race as possible.

As for the backseat delete on the Mustang. 10-11lbs is nothing, so as long as it is covered and looks good, you're good to go. BTW, CLEAN looking Mustang. I still couldn't drive it, but damned clean.
 
Posted by TRIXSNK (Member # 2844) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:
It was hard enough finding sponsors for the classes we have now. Next year will bring a heads/cam, or bolt on with cam class I hope.

Thanks again for helping iron out the rules and making this as fair a race as possible.

As for the backseat delete on the Mustang. 10-11lbs is nothing, so as long as it is covered and looks good, you're good to go. BTW, CLEAN looking Mustang. I still couldn't drive it, but damned clean.
Count me in on the action guys! [dance]

Stock motor + 1 power adder baby [Big Grin]

1 ? though i know the backseat delete was covered but what if i need to pull the front seat for sticking extra wheels in the ride to swap out?

The car will retain all carpet so no bare metal showin......is that OK?
 
Posted by Don (Member # 938) on :
 
Stock Motor $100 to winner, $50 to RU
Chevy Rules: All bolt ons allowed, stock motor internals. Stock cam and heads required.
Ford Rules: All bolt ons allowed, 302 with heads/cam/intake allowed.
'03/'04 Cobra: STOCK '03/'04 Cobra with catback exhaust ONLY.

How about stock 4.6 GT's. Can we atleast get Heads/Cams with a stock shortblock.
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
As for the front seats, both are required... I'm sure you can fit 4 tires into a Mustang if you had to without removing the seats. I could fit 8 tires into my Camaro with all my seats in it...

As for the 4.6 and heads/cam. Consider the 4.6 the same as the 5.0. Heads/cam/intake are ok for the 4.6 as well
 
Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TRIXSNK:
quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:
It was hard enough finding sponsors for the classes we have now. Next year will bring a heads/cam, or bolt on with cam class I hope.

Thanks again for helping iron out the rules and making this as fair a race as possible.

As for the backseat delete on the Mustang. 10-11lbs is nothing, so as long as it is covered and looks good, you're good to go. BTW, CLEAN looking Mustang. I still couldn't drive it, but damned clean.
Count me in on the action guys! [dance]

Stock motor + 1 power adder baby [Big Grin]

1 ? though i know the backseat delete was covered but what if i need to pull the front seat for sticking extra wheels in the ride to swap out?

The car will retain all carpet so no bare metal showin......is that OK?
just unbolt the front pass seat and move it to a different place in the car, then put wheels in

sounds stupid to bolt a seat back in for a race, but if that is the rules then so be it [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Don (Member # 938) on :
 
"As for the 4.6 and heads/cam. Consider the 4.6 the same as the 5.0. Heads/cam/intake are ok for the 4.6 as well"

I would think that you would want to limit the DOHC 4.6 cars with stock cams and heads.

It will take a heads and cams GT to keep up with a blot-on Mach.

The bolt-on Mach is just as powerful as a LS1, and you are keeping them limited to stock heads and cams.

Just a thuoght.
 
Posted by 9Venom9 (Member # 2805) on :
 
Some one please answer my question. 99 Cobra stock block with Vortech , off road X-pipe and Cat back still falls under the stock with 1 bolt on?
 
Posted by Perry (Member # 1846) on :
 
quote:

As for the 4.6 and heads/cam. Consider the 4.6 the same as the 5.0. Heads/cam/intake are ok for the 4.6 as well [/QB]
That is great news!!!! [dance]

I'll see ya at the track in my lil 2 valve!!! [Big Grin]

Later friends,

Perry
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 9Venom9:
Some one please answer my question. 99 Cobra stock block with Vortech , off road X-pipe and Cat back still falls under the stock with 1 bolt on?
That would be placed in the stock +1 power adder class.
 
Posted by twstd5.4 (Member # 1981) on :
 
I have no interior so I'm getting bumped from stock w/1 power adder to stroker w/no power adder... I'm not sure if that's good or not. Wouldn't that put me up against the likes of team solo??? [Frown]
 
Posted by dame94 (Member # 2932) on :
 
http://www.norcalshootout.com/

here's the website guys [Wink]
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
This really is tough trying to keep everyone happy and make it as fair as possible.

So you're saying the 5.0 guys complain that the Chevy 350 (LT1/LS1) is too powerful to compete against because "we" are bigger, but then they can't even compete against the 4.6L mod for mod?

I wasn't aware that the 4.6 with equal mods would whip on a 5.0...

I'll talk to some more Ford guys and get this part nailed down...

quote:
Originally posted by Don:
"As for the 4.6 and heads/cam. Consider the 4.6 the same as the 5.0. Heads/cam/intake are ok for the 4.6 as well"

I would think that you would want to limit the DOHC 4.6 cars with stock cams and heads.

It will take a heads and cams GT to keep up with a blot-on Mach.

The bolt-on Mach is just as powerful as a LS1, and you are keeping them limited to stock heads and cams.

Just a thuoght.

 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:
This really is tough trying to keep everyone happy and make it as fair as possible.

So you're saying the 5.0 guys complain that the Chevy 350 (LT1/LS1) is too powerful to compete against because "we" are bigger, but then they can't even compete against the 4.6L mod for mod?

I wasn't aware that the 4.6 with equal mods would whip on a 5.0...

I'll talk to some more Ford guys and get this part nailed down...

quote:
Originally posted by Don:
"As for the 4.6 and heads/cam. Consider the 4.6 the same as the 5.0. Heads/cam/intake are ok for the 4.6 as well"

I would think that you would want to limit the DOHC 4.6 cars with stock cams and heads.

It will take a heads and cams GT to keep up with a blot-on Mach.

The bolt-on Mach is just as powerful as a LS1, and you are keeping them limited to stock heads and cams.

Just a thuoght.
I wouldn't worry about it Brian.
Yes, a bolt-on 4.6 4V motor *can* go 11's at 115+MPH but that is definately NOT typical. Bob Cosby got a stock longblock/bolt-on 5.0 to run 11's.....NMRA Factory stock class runs mid 11's with stock longlocks/bolt ons, both modular & 5.0 motors.....but that doesn't mean we'll see it at Sac Raceway. Most bolt-on 4Vs will run in the 107-109mph range....which is right where most bolt-on LS1's will run. Yes, there will be those few that run a little harder then most, but I expect that on both sides.
 
Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on :
 
what about the safety askepct of the event

my car is leagl down to 10.00 and that is more than the car is good for

but what if a buddy of mine goes 9.99 in stock motor plus power adder, he has no cage or bar, will this dq him from winning

im guess yes but he just wanted me to check [patriot]
 
Posted by Don (Member # 938) on :
 
I was just saying that the 4.6 4v stuff has the good heads just like an LS1. And a 4.6 2v and a 5.0 both are limited to a bad stock head wich keeps us a little behind. If all the competion is in the 108mph area then I will be fine, but that means the LS1 and 4.6 DOHC crowd are not doing a very good job with their cars.

A guy here in Manteca had a bolt-on M6 99 LS1 that went 114mph, and most of the full bolt on Machs should do the same with a good driver. My GT on the other hand will need heads and cams to do that along with a 5.0.

Is there going to be qualifing? That way I can move to the brackets if the competion is going to be to much for me?
 
Posted by Perry (Member # 1846) on :
 
How about allowing fiberglass hoods in all classes??

The weight savings is minimal and alot of people (me included) have a custom hood!!

If not, I guess I can't run!! [Mad]

Later friends,

Perry
 
Posted by bunchmyfunky (Member # 360) on :
 
Why would there be any rules for the two bracket catagory's?
 
Posted by stanger91 (Member # 397) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Perry:
How about allowing fiberglass hoods in all classes??

The weight savings is minimal and alot of people (me included) have a custom hood!!

If not, I guess I can't run!! [Mad]

Later friends,

Perry
Seeing as stock hoods on 94+ stangs are fiberglass I think they may have to overlook that rule..lol
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
The fiberglass hoods that are factory are allowed. Some of the WS6 hoods and SS hoods are composite/fiberglass as well.

The rules are there to keep people with major weight mods from competing in a class they would dominate. An aftermarket fiberglass hood for the sake of style or replacement will be overlooked and considered stock. But if you have a fiberglass dash, hatch, trunk, doors, etc... that won't do.

Also, if you don't fit specificially in your class, you will get bumped up one or two classes, such as motor swap cars, stripped/gutted interiors, etc.

Yes, there is qualifications from 6:00-8:00pm and then eliminations the rest of the night.
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66 AC COBRA:
what about the safety askepct of the event

my car is leagl down to 10.00 and that is more than the car is good for

but what if a buddy of mine goes 9.99 in stock motor plus power adder, he has no cage or bar, will this dq him from winning

im guess yes but he just wanted me to check [patriot]
We would hope that nobody will try and sandbag and run faster then they are "teched" for, but it may happen. If it does happen, they will be DQed. I do not want the track looking down on us as a club or an event promoter for people doing this, and risking then not signing a contract with us in the future.

So, if he runs faster then his tech allows on his first run he will be told to SIDOPI (slow it down or park it) and if he does it again, he will be asked to leave.

And what kind of car will run 9's with a stock motor and power adder?
 
Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:
quote:
Originally posted by 66 AC COBRA:
what about the safety askepct of the event

my car is leagl down to 10.00 and that is more than the car is good for

but what if a buddy of mine goes 9.99 in stock motor plus power adder, he has no cage or bar, will this dq him from winning

im guess yes but he just wanted me to check [patriot]
We would hope that nobody will try and sandbag and run faster then they are "teched" for, but it may happen. If it does happen, they will be DQed. I do not want the track looking down on us as a club or an event promoter for people doing this, and risking then not signing a contract with us in the future.

So, if he runs faster then his tech allows on his first run he will be told to SIDOPI (slow it down or park it) and if he does it again, he will be asked to leave.

And what kind of car will run 9's with a stock motor and power adder?
may run 9's, but it doesnt even have a bar, sucks for him, good for my chances

think of it this way, what would an all forged stock ci LS1 run with ported heads or the like, cam, lsx intake, and a big turbo, with a built tranny with a brake, all it needs is full interior and no extreme lightening

its all an internet war, but there are a few turbo mustangs i know of that have full interior, no glass fenders, 351 or under displacement, and fit into the stock motor rules, that run in the 8's

yes its not the idea of the race but it does fall into the rules

either way i am gonna run in stock motor plus power adders, i just hope its not a mid 10 class, which it could very easily be
 
Posted by 9Venom9 (Member # 2805) on :
 
I just wish it wasnt bracket racing, I hate bracket, I always run for my best time so I never get good at bracket racing lol
 
Posted by Perry (Member # 1846) on :
 
Just curious as to what times will it take to win the stock class??

What was the best ET last year in this class?

later friends,

Perry
 
Posted by TRIXSNK (Member # 2844) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Perry:
Just curious as to what times will it take to win the stock class??

What was the best ET last year in this class?

later friends,

Perry
Great ?

I'd be interesting in knowing what won in each class last year as well. [Cool]
 
Posted by Lonewolf (Member # 4968) on :
 
So in the stock motor class... Ford 03/04 cobra cat back add on only.. Does that mean no K&N drop in?
 
Posted by dame94 (Member # 2932) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lonewolf:
So in the stock motor class... Ford 03/04 cobra cat back add on only.. Does that mean no K&N drop in?
YES SIR thats EXACTLY what it means

Dame

Nor-Cal LS1/LT1 President

[ August 24, 2005, 06:49 PM: Message edited by: dame94 ]
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
Our Cobra won't have the procharger back on until after this event. We will be going to support john91coupe if he has decided to go. [patriot]
 
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
Just as a suggestion a street class would be cool with the rules consisting of current registration,drag radials,pump gas,no stripped cars "full weight", and must be driven to the track "not trailered". Much thanks to those who set this event up, sounds like alot of work!! Hopefully My car will be out of the tranny shop early enough to get My methanol kit installed and tuned. Either way i will be there, should be a great night. [burnout]
 
Posted by 9Venom9 (Member # 2805) on :
 
Right now doesnt look like I can get Saturday off from work, for some reason I thought this was on a Sunday, so for now I am out unless I can pull something off. [Mad]
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 9Venom9:
I just wish it wasnt bracket racing, I hate bracket, I always run for my best time so I never get good at bracket racing lol
There are 8 classes and only 3 are bracket racing. Everything else is heads up...
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Perry:
Just curious as to what times will it take to win the stock class??

What was the best ET last year in this class?

later friends,

Perry
No clue what it will take to win... As I proved in the shootout (2 years ago) against TheBrain, the fastest car doesn't always win...

The rules for last year were different anyways. Same club put the event on, but different people, different rules, etc.
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dame94:
quote:
Originally posted by Lonewolf:
So in the stock motor class... Ford 03/04 cobra cat back add on only.. Does that mean no K&N drop in?
YES SIR thats EXACTLY what it means

Dame

Nor-Cal LS1/LT1 President
This is something that we will need to discuss. A K&N drop in filter shouldn't gain much power... does it help that much on the '03/'04 Cobra's? No CAI (cold air intakes) allowed in that class for sure.
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SmokinLX:
Just as a suggestion a street class would be cool with the rules consisting of current registration,drag radials,pump gas,no stripped cars "full weight", and must be driven to the track "not trailered". Much thanks to those who set this event up, sounds like alot of work!! Hopefully My car will be out of the tranny shop early enough to get My methanol kit installed and tuned. Either way i will be there, should be a great night. [burnout]
This is a good idea, but with 14 days left before the event, it just ain't gonna happen.

Maybe next year we can do something... but how do we determine if folks are running pump gas?

As it sits, some folks are complaining about too many classes... some are complaining there are not enough.

This year we will see what kind of turnout we get and if we need to add classes or take some away... Depending on turnout and amount of cars per class.
 
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:
quote:
Originally posted by SmokinLX:
Just as a suggestion a street class would be cool with the rules consisting of current registration,drag radials,pump gas,no stripped cars "full weight", and must be driven to the track "not trailered". Much thanks to those who set this event up, sounds like alot of work!! Hopefully My car will be out of the tranny shop early enough to get My methanol kit installed and tuned. Either way i will be there, should be a great night. [burnout]
This is a good idea, but with 14 days left before the event, it just ain't gonna happen.

Maybe next year we can do something... but how do we determine if folks are running pump gas?

As it sits, some folks are complaining about too many classes... some are complaining there are not enough.

This year we will see what kind of turnout we get and if we need to add classes or take some away... Depending on turnout and amount of cars per class.
Thanks. It is going to be a great evening! I agree it would be a hard thing to regulate, if it were at infenion we could just make everybody show up with a 1/4 tank or less and have everyone put in 5 gallons of the old 91. I guess you could make everybody stop at the gas station up the road from sac. raceway and put exactly 5 gallons of gas in on the way to the track and Bring a reciept to the track, at least the cheaters would have to get creative to cheat. Oh and I am definatley NOT complaining about anything Im sure I'll line up with some street cars and some track only cars but I don't care, it will be nice to line up against some fast domestics without the ricers. [Wink]

[ August 26, 2005, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: SmokinLX ]
 
Posted by gt2lx5.0 (Member # 5244) on :
 
How does one sign up for this event? I want to see what my Pony does again dem Chevy boys?
 
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by gt2lx5.0:
How does one sign up for this event? I want to see what my Pony does again dem Chevy boys?
As far as I know no need to sign up, just show up with 50 bucks "unless you want to run the unlimited jackpot or whatever" which is an additional $20. Have the usual safety equipment you will need to cover how fast your car runs and show up around 6. Im goin to be a little early myself. [patriot]
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SmokinLX:
quote:
Originally posted by gt2lx5.0:
How does one sign up for this event? I want to see what my Pony does again dem Chevy boys?
As far as I know no need to sign up, just show up with 50 bucks "unless you want to run the unlimited jackpot or whatever" which is an additional $20. Have the usual safety equipment you will need to cover how fast your car runs and show up around 6. Im goin to be a little early myself. [patriot]
Actually that would be $55 for car and driver. No need to sign up in advance, just show up at the gate and pay to get in. We won't be allowed to admit anyone until 6:00pm as there is a race previous to ours.

Each additional class will be $20. So you could race in Bracket I, Stock Motor and Jackpot and that would cost you... $95.
 
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
So am I reading this rite strokers are allowed in the stock block catagory. Is there as stock cubic inch class for us stock cubic inch guy's, Im going to have a hard time matching up to someone who has nearly 100 cubic inces on Me. [Eek!] I definatley don't want to sound like I'm complaining but just want to know who I'll be running against? Thanks......
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
Are these classes running on a .4 or .5 tree?
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Team SOLO:
Are these classes running on a .4 or .5 tree?
Good question, thanks. OUTLAW will be .400 pro tree, all other classes will be .500 (wimp tree.)

I've gotta get some practice in on a .400 pro tree myself. When they have given me the pro tree on a TNT or Grudge night I usually get good reaction times for not expecting it...
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SmokinLX:
So am I reading this rite strokers are allowed in the stock block catagory. Is there as stock cubic inch class for us stock cubic inch guy's, Im going to have a hard time matching up to someone who has nearly 100 cubic inces on Me. [Eek!] I definatley don't want to sound like I'm complaining but just want to know who I'll be running against? Thanks......
Re-read the rules... There is a class or two for "stock" CI motors, and the Ford's are allowed much more leway then the Chevy's in those classes.
 
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:
quote:
Originally posted by SmokinLX:
So am I reading this rite strokers are allowed in the stock block catagory. Is there as stock cubic inch class for us stock cubic inch guy's, Im going to have a hard time matching up to someone who has nearly 100 cubic inces on Me. [Eek!] I definatley don't want to sound like I'm complaining but just want to know who I'll be running against? Thanks......
Re-read the rules... There is a class or two for "stock" CI motors, and the Ford's are allowed much more leway then the Chevy's in those classes.
I will re-read the rules again and sorry for being a dumbass. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Slart (Member # 5980) on :
 
Hi,

I'd like to compete, I qualify for the stock motor + power adder class (vortech) except I have a griggs suspension, so the torque arm and road race spring rate coilovers disqualify me.

My car is a daily driver, I would be driving it there and racing on the same radial street tires I drive it to work with. It has full interior, I'll be running 91 octane gas, I wont need to open the hood for any mechanical adjustments or anything of that type.

The point I'm making is this is a street car by anybody's definition.

Any chance you can overlook the torque arm & coilovers and let me compete?

Steve
 
Posted by twstd5.4 (Member # 1981) on :
 
I'm sure they would overlook that... If anything they'll bump you into a different class. But I'm really sure you're fine with what you have.
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
If a car doesn't fit into the class, then they get bumped up to the next class. For each "violation" you will move up to the next faster class...
 
Posted by Don (Member # 938) on :
 
How about ZO6 vetts. Please tell me they can have no mods what so ever if they are in the stock class.
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
How many Z06/Vette guys can actually drive their cars? They are not any faster then a well driven Cobra which fits into the "stock class" as well.
 
Posted by Don (Member # 938) on :
 
So does that mean they(Z06's) have the same resrictions as a 03 Cobra. Filter Only.....
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
Nope, I guess not. But it is rare for a "stock" Z06 to run mid 12's or better. I went 12.5 totally stock in mine, but I can drive. Most Z06 drivers are 14.0 or so.

Even with mods, they don't go much faster with shitty drivers.
 
Posted by Slart (Member # 5980) on :
 
>Just as a suggestion a street class would be cool with the rules consisting of current registration,drag radials,pump gas,no stripped cars "full weight", and must be driven to the track "not trailered".

I agree with this.

A class designed for pure street cars would make it more fun for those of us who want to bring our street toys out without having to optimize them for dragstrip use.

For example, I dont run a drag suspension for safety reasons (with a drag suspension would be unsafe to get on it on the street). I also dont have the car tuned for race gas or anything of that nature.

The only concession I'm making is I'm going to be mounting some 26x10 slicks, but even so I dont expect to be competative. Just hoping not to embarass myself with a 13.2@145 run. [Wink]

However, among other street folks also running in street trim (pump gas, no overheating, no slicks).

I know it's too late for such a class this year, but perhaps we could consider it for next year?

Steve Sadler
 
Posted by twstd5.4 (Member # 1981) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Slart:
>Just as a suggestion a street class would be cool with the rules consisting of current registration,drag radials,pump gas,no stripped cars "full weight", and must be driven to the track "not trailered".

I agree with this.

A class designed for pure street cars would make it more fun for those of us who want to bring our street toys out without having to optimize them for dragstrip use.

For example, I dont run a drag suspension for safety reasons (with a drag suspension would be unsafe to get on it on the street). I also dont have the car tuned for race gas or anything of that nature.

The only concession I'm making is I'm going to be mounting some 26x10 slicks, but even so I dont expect to be competative. Just hoping not to embarass myself with a 13.2@145 run. [Wink]

However, among other street folks also running in street trim (pump gas, no overheating, no slicks).

I know it's too late for such a class this year, but perhaps we could consider it for next year?

Steve Sadler
Steve...what's your combo?
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Slart:
>Just as a suggestion a street class would be cool with the rules consisting of current registration,drag radials,pump gas,no stripped cars "full weight", and must be driven to the track "not trailered".

I agree with this.

A class designed for pure street cars would make it more fun for those of us who want to bring our street toys out without having to optimize them for dragstrip use.

For example, I dont run a drag suspension for safety reasons (with a drag suspension would be unsafe to get on it on the street). I also dont have the car tuned for race gas or anything of that nature.

The only concession I'm making is I'm going to be mounting some 26x10 slicks, but even so I dont expect to be competative. Just hoping not to embarass myself with a 13.2@145 run. [Wink]

However, among other street folks also running in street trim (pump gas, no overheating, no slicks).

I know it's too late for such a class this year, but perhaps we could consider it for next year?

Steve Sadler
I think that is a great idea for next year. If this years event is a success we will rent the track for the FULL day next year and have more classes. Motorcycle, Street Car as above, etc.

However, most of the cars in these classes are true street cars... It seems that the "race" cars are the ones whining about the rules not being fair... pretty much what we were trying to do. Make this a venue for late model EFI cars that are not neccessarily "race" cars. Of course the "race" cars are more than welcome as well.
 
Posted by Slart (Member # 5980) on :
 
> However, most of the cars in these classes are true street cars... It seems that the "race" cars are the ones whining about the rules not being fair...

If your intent is to draw to draw street cars, how about just adding these two rules to all the classes execept outlaw:

1) Cant do any type of maintenance to the car after arriving (IE: no opening hood)

2) Require radials

That would be a simulation of what you'd likely to find on the street.


Personally I'd be all for requiring inexpensive gasoline and minimum handling/braking standards too. As long as it doesnt elimiate any real street cars. Of course that's not very practical, but it would be nice.
 
Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :
 
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Personally I'd be all for requiring inexpensive gasoline [/QB]
Please find some of the above mentioned "inexpensive gasoline" and tell me where to find/buy some... Race gas is all of about $50-$1.50 more a gallon now then premium.
 




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