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Posted by Displacement_Replacement (Member # 1428) on :
 
I have a race tomorrow at sears point. I have 3 basic questions. First, what is the earliest time I can get there and do a run? they say that it opens at 5, but last time I got there at 5 pm and I was like car # 300, lol. So what time do they really start.

2nd....I'm racing a guy with a 5.0. I know what they were from the factory and what they can be modded are two different things, what do you guys estimate this guys time will be, assuming a good driver? Here are his mods.

mac shorty equal lenght headers
msd ignition
9mm wires
K & N
msd cap and rotar
3.73 fms gears
x-pipe
2 chamber flows
high flow cats
removed pre cats
bfg drag radials

3rd and finally is here any thing special I can do to make sure that we are racing each other?I have been to sears a 2 times and it seems the luck of the draw who you go against.

Thanks!
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
If you line up right in front or behind him, just ask the guy in front of the line prior to getting there.
 

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Posted by Displacement_Replacement (Member # 1428) on :
 
ask who? I'm a bit confused, sorry. We should be in opposite lanes, right?
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
the lines are way too long, I agree with the above, your only chance to be 'near' your bud other than blind luck is to be in front of or behind him. They move adjacent lanes unpredictably.

As to the 5.0, just like any 5.0, it could run 15's, it could run 10's
 

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Posted by Displacement_Replacement (Member # 1428) on :
 
wow..

A 5.0 with these mods can run 10's? Crazy stuff dude.

mac shorty equal lenght headers
msd ignition
9mm wires
K & N
msd cap and rotar
3.73 fms gears
x-pipe
2 chamber flows
high flow cats
removed pre cats
bfg drag radials
 

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Posted by FordPny (Member # 510) on :
 
I think shade-tree means is it all matters on the driver,

anyways his car sounds like a mid 13 to low 13 second car if he can drive it.

 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
If the guy isn't lying to you about his mods, it'll run mid to low 14's at Sears Point. If he lived closer to Sacramento Raceway, it would be a solid 13 second car, but something corrupts the brains and skills of 5.O drivers that live around Sonoma
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
I disagree with your comment on Sears Point. Junior in the black 99 cobra has run at both Sears and Sac and his fastest time and 60 foot on street tires are at Sears Point. I think both are good tracks, you just have to learn how to drive at each.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
I was just pointing out that mod for mod, Sears Point racers seam to run slower than Sac Raceway racers. You can go to Sac raceway and never see a 15 second 'stang.... but its impossible to ever go to Sears Point and not see a 'stang have problems getting out of the 15's. Just my observation
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 

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Originally posted by Displacement_Replacement:
wow..

A 5.0 with these mods can run 10's? Crazy stuff dude.

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and nobody has ever lied to you about their mods then I see? hmmm
my point remains, could run 10's, shit could run 19's.
N20 is the easiest thing ever to hide and $20 says you wouldn't recognize a built sportsman B-50 block, GT-40 iron heads, 10.5:1 compression, a N20 cam, forged internals and a 250 shot that's hidden all under a nice stock looking HO intake

if it matters, my best 60' time was at Sears Point as well, but that was not for a wed. night thing, it was an actual weekend event.

1.67 launching at ~3500 rpms on ET Streets. Never been lower than 1.72 at Sacramento.
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
It is easy to hide nos. I was running 12.1 through the cats in my stang and they tecked the hell out of it after my run and I just said it was very nicely ported.
 

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Posted by FordPny (Member # 510) on :
 
oops I see what you mean shade sorry about that.
 

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Posted by Displacement_Replacement (Member # 1428) on :
 
I HOPE he has NOS, he said he will not. I'm not running any either. If He runs NOS , it will make it more interesting.

David

[ August 13, 2002, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: Displacement_Replacement ]
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
you put up some 13's last time right? why would he need N20 again?
 

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Posted by Displacement_Replacement (Member # 1428) on :
 
That was my first time. I'm still learning when to shift. There is a guy with a 91 LX 5.0 that used nitrous to get his best run it was 13.6.

I'm not ripping on the car, but with a shot he may get into the 13's. Everyone I am talking to says 14's at best.

Well see.
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
ah well. and I know of guys running 5.0s in the 12's on the stock longblock (including heads, cam, etc) with no power adder.

but seriously, if you're running 13.6 @ 104 now, how much quicker do you expect to be on street tires? no flames intended, just curious.
 

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Posted by Displacement_Replacement (Member # 1428) on :
 
My time was 13.64 @ 104.87 on street tires.

I only had two runs that night, first time my boost messed up bad and I could not get above 3000 rpm so I don't count that run. The next and final run I did the 13.64.

Take this for what its worth, but the #'s I did are just about stock levels with a good driver. I know we are talking about MY car here, but I will also tell you that others with my car and similar mods are running 12's easily. some run high 11's with NITTO's on that setup, but thats not the norm. Most are running low to mid 12's.

I will find out for myself, but if I can get a 2.0 or less 60' according to the others I will be in the 12's. I ran a 2.22 60 when I did the 13.64.

I have not been to the track enough to concentrate either. Did you run your best time the first run you ever did? You guys should know I respect mustang drivers alot, you guys go to the track more than anyone, so I'm not flaming any of you.

My other problem is Wheel hop. I know that the first 60' is key to the 60, especially in my car being a twin turbo. I don't know how to launch my car without wheel hop, unless I feather the clutch. I am looking into some toe links and trailing arms that greatly reduce it. So those are the issues I am dealing with. If I get serious wheel hop, my PPF will break (power plant frame).

Sort of off topic, but I never respected drag racing till I did it. I still don't know what I launched at when I got that 13.64, its hard to hold the RPMs without moving, watch the light, keep an eye on my gauges and all the distractions.

The other issue I have? I don't know what RPM I am shifting at. I need to shift at 7200, if I goto 8100 I waste engergy, if I shift at 6000 I miss my max HP range. The only thing I know , one time I redlined because my speakers beeped loud.

In the end I have alot of time I will shave off that. If its a cool day tomorrow I expect a decent time. If its hot, well....u know.

David
 

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Posted by jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
hey joel..hope to see you tomorrow at the track... say whats up..
jersey
 

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Posted by sic91sleeper (Member # 779) on :
 
Sounds to me like you need a shift light. Dont you also have to feather the gas pedal to build boost before you launch???

If I were you I would talk to one of your buddys with the same car and see what there techniques are.

This is an RX-7 right???

Good luck at the track btw
 

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Posted by Displacement_Replacement (Member # 1428) on :
 

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Originally posted by sic91sleeper:
Sounds to me like you need a shift light. Dont you also have to feather the gas pedal to build boost before you launch???

If I were you I would talk to one of your buddys with the same car and see what there techniques are.

This is an RX-7 right???

Good luck at the track btw

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
So who won?

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It was pretty bad to be honest. It was my 2nd worst run of the evening, I still won by 1.3 seconds off the 1/4 and 15 MPH faster in the trap speed.

It was fun. I have a modded WS6 that I am racing next month at sears point. That was a good warm up. I need to get some drag radials, somethings wrong when I'm running 13.9 @ 105 with a 2.58 60 '.

My best run of the night was 13.77 with a 2.24 60, my fuel cut when I over boosted (it was at 9:30 pm and very cold), I would have been around 13.5.

I can see 12's pretty easy, once I get better tires and start upping the boost on my first turbo.

David
 

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Posted by JOSH (Member # 979) on :
 
When you ran the 13.9 there was a head wind from hell, I seen a new SS run a 15.5
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 

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Originally posted by JOSH:
there was a head wind from hell, I seen a new SS run a 15.5

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:

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That would be all DRIVER ERROR. Nearly 2 seconds...c'mon.

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Originally posted by st5150:
I was just pointing out that mod for mod, Sears Point racers seam to run slower than Sac Raceway racers. You can go to Sac raceway and never see a 15 second 'stang.... but its impossible to ever go to Sears Point and not see a 'stang have problems getting out of the 15's. Just my observation

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Displacement_Replacement- So the guy ran 15's in a 5.O with those mods huh?
 

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Posted by Maxoctane (Member # 1466) on :
 
nah, you guys don't understand, wednesday night was like running the quarter straight into a tornado. like 35 mph headwind. (I ran a 15.0)
 

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Posted by JOSH (Member # 979) on :
 
Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:

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Originally posted by JOSH:

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That would be all DRIVER ERROR. Nearly 2 seconds...c'mon.
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Ditto

what
 

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Posted by Displacement_Replacement (Member # 1428) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:

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Originally posted by st5150:
I was just pointing out that mod for mod, Sears Point racers seam to run slower than Sac Raceway racers. You can go to Sac raceway and never see a 15 second 'stang.... but its impossible to ever go to Sears Point and not see a 'stang have problems getting out of the 15's. Just my observation

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Displacement_Replacement- So the guy ran 15's in a 5.O with those mods huh?

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Originally posted by JOSH:
yea I know I didn't mean the wind held him back 2 seconds.All the cars seamed to be slow the 5.0 he raced w/ mac shorty equal lenght headers, msd ignition,
9mm wires ,
K & N ,
msd cap and rotar ,
3.73 fms gears ,
x-pipe ,
2 chamber flows ,
high flow cats ,
removed pre cats and
bfg drag radials

ran a 15.2 @ 90mph

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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
If you go to the next Sac Grudge night AND my car is back together, let's race. I love going against cars that are close to my ET- door-to-door racing is awesome!
JL

stock looking, green '92 LX hatch.

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Me too. I'm racing a moded WS6 at sac on the 21st, would be cool to hang with you, maybe we can get a few in....

I will not be able to get into the 12's without drag radials or better tires, so if your running the 12.68, @ 107, your not gonna have much of a race .

I have nearly the same trap but 1 second less ET, my traction has gone to hell....

But racing close cars is the cooles thing. The WS6 get this.... has the exact same 60' (2.22) almost same ET 13.65 VS 13.64, and he has 105.2 trap vs my 104.87 trap. We will be so close.

let me know if your going.
 

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Posted by JOSH (Member # 979) on :
 

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Josh...

Did you watch the race? Cool, you did not get it on vid did you? I had 4 races that night ranging from 13.7 to 14.5 (I had a fuel cuttoff on the 14.5).My times were real bad, just at stock level.

David

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Yea I was there,did the wind die down I left a little early ?
Sorry no video

[ August 18, 2002, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: JOSH ]
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
Displacement, Just give it a little time. When you learn how to get your car to hit 2.1's consistently you will be rewarded with the times you desire. This is not difficult with street tires, you just need more time infront of the lights. I met you out there, I had the black saleen the first time you hit the track. I am sure you will be in the real low 13's on street tires with your mph with more track time.
 

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Posted by Displacement_Replacement (Member # 1428) on :
 

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
Displacement, Just give it a little time. When you learn how to get your car to hit 2.1's consistently you will be rewarded with the times you desire. This is not difficult with street tires, you just need more time infront of the lights. I met you out there, I had the black saleen the first time you hit the track. I am sure you will be in the real low 13's on street tires with your mph with more track time.

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Originally posted by Displacement_Replacement:
Dude....

I ran 13.7 as my best run of the night, when others with my mods are in low 12's. I dont' know what to say. I did find a boost leak in my car though, so I fixed that, I get much more boost and faster spool up so that should help alot.

I had alot of fun even though I am only hitting stock #'s. alot of it is my tires I am sure...

And about SAC vs Sears I'm going to grudge next time so I will see.

I did notice that the wind is strong at sears it hits your cars while your running. Maybe thats part of the slower times, but not 2 seconds.

David.

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Originally posted by Displacement_Replacement:
Dude....

I ran 13.7 as my best run of the night, when others with my mods are in low 12's. I dont' know what to say. I did find a boost leak in my car though, so I fixed that, I get much more boost and faster spool up so that should help alot.

I had alot of fun even though I am only hitting stock #'s. alot of it is my tires I am sure...

And about SAC vs Sears I'm going to grudge next time so I will see.

I did notice that the wind is strong at sears it hits your cars while your running. Maybe thats part of the slower times, but not 2 seconds.

David.

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Yeah, I was just pointing out how my pre-race analysis was right on the money. My 5.O runs the same times as your RX-7 but has pretty much the same mods as the 15.0 second one you raced, however I guaruntee I've given twenty times more attention to the little details on my car/combo. You find people on the internet running two seconds faster than you with the same basic mods, but I gauruntee they've spent a lot of time on minor details that rarely makes it to the internet.

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Yea...I know the key is my 60'. I have been afraid to launch my car cause it gets wheel hop from hell. I just ordered competition trailing arms and toe links that help get rid of wheel hop.

I'm getting my car dynoed to see if I'm running rich or lean. I will know on thursday if I'm in the 285 to 320 RWHP that I should be with my mods. Based on what I have read, I should be bout 290 or 300.

Fingers crossed!
 

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Posted by soslo (Member # 1748) on :
 
Hello Everyone. I am the "modded WS6" is going to race @ Sears Point and at Sac next month (Spet 18th @ Sears and Spet 21st @ Sac).

Displacement_replacement is cool, and has more power potential in his car. He just dynoed @ ATP here in Fremont and got 265 RWHP with a 10 and 11 A/F ratio.

Plus he just upgraded the suspension to cure the wheel hop... I think he'll be running 13.3-13.4 @ 105 without issue. Plus he weighs a portly 2700 lbs

As for my car, it isn't a WS6, just a Trans Am (2002). My mods for power are simply a Clear Intake Lid w/K&N filter and I cut the bottom out of my airbox. So not really anything to write home about. I now have about 6000 miles on the car. I'd am hoping to cut a 13.5 @ 106.
I also need to weigh my car at Sac...I am guessing about 3700 pounds. Next time I won't bring my toolbox, club (spare me the lecture), and other misc junk.

I dynoed about a week ago to the tune of 312 RWHP and 330 RWTQ. I'd say average. I have the dyno graph and time slips on my site (see sig).

I've run all of my races @ 29 PSI on my stock tires (Goodyear GS-C)...what is the safest I can air them down and still drive from Sac to Fremont?

Hopefully theBrain will come out to Sears point or Sac to watch (he's my cousin) and give me some racing tips (This will be my 4th and 5th times ever!).
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
air compressors that run on 12v are like $25 at Target. Splurge man, splurge.
 

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Posted by soslo (Member # 1748) on :
 
shade-tree > hehehe, ok, funny. Pretend I splurge...no wait, I go *all out* - I'm talking pull out all the stops - and get one with a gauge! What is a safe psi to run on street radials?

$24,000 Question: would the die hard racer add precious ounces to his car with a DC air compressor?
 

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Posted by Displacement_Replacement (Member # 1428) on :
 

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Originally posted by soslo:
Hello Everyone. I am the "modded WS6" is going to race @ Sears Point and at Sac next month (Spet 18th @ Sears and Spet 21st @ Sac).

Displacement_replacement is cool, and has more power potential in his car. He just dynoed @ ATP here in Fremont and got 265 RWHP with a 10 and 11 A/F ratio.

Plus he just upgraded the suspension to cure the wheel hop... I think he'll be running 13.3-13.4 @ 105 without issue. Plus he weighs a portly 2700 lbs

As for my car, it isn't a WS6, just a Trans Am (2002). My mods for power are simply a Clear Intake Lid w/K&N filter and I cut the bottom out of my airbox. So not really anything to write home about. I now have about 6000 miles on the car. I'd am hoping to cut a 13.5 @ 106.
I also need to weigh my car at Sac...I am guessing about 3700 pounds. Next time I won't bring my toolbox, club (spare me the lecture), and other misc junk.

I dynoed about a week ago to the tune of 312 RWHP and 330 RWTQ. I'd say average. I have the dyno graph and time slips on my site (see sig).

I've run all of my races @ 29 PSI on my stock tires (Goodyear GS-C)...what is the safest I can air them down and still drive from Sac to Fremont?

Hopefully theBrain will come out to Sears point or Sac to watch (he's my cousin) and give me some racing tips (This will be my 4th and 5th times ever!).

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Originally posted by Displacement_Replacement:
Hey Aaron...

I realize you are mostly stock now and I keep saying WS6, sorry. when I wrote this I did not know what your mods meant (still dont, lol). We should have a good race. It looks like some other LS1's and some of my fellow RX7's (some stock) are going to be there too.

I met some LS1 owners that live near me in some thread and a few of them say they will go. They are mostly stock except 1 that has 400 HP to the wheels. We can all race each other, should be fun. I especially look forward to the guy with 400 RWHP in his 2002 SS to hand me my ass, lol.

Look forward to the race, also I want to see the stock RX7 vs the Stock SS, should be very interesting. It looks like a bunch of us will be there. This is gonna be alot of fun.

David

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No problem, I just wanted to clear up the mod list so everyone is straight.


This sounds like a lot of ppl will be there - good times.
 

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Posted by z ya (Member # 1327) on :
 
I run 18 psi on my stock 245's on the gt. just go
and air up at am/pm on your way home.
 

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