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[QUOTE]Originally posted by AaronC: [QB] Jim- Just make sure you degree both cams. Your car runs VERY hard with the stocker. Shadetree- I wouldn't say it's all opinionating. There is data to back claims up. Jon's car has the Track Heat intake (not performer), and is in the 3100's going down the track from what he's said. It's fast, hands down, no doubt. His car runs well because of them awesome flowing heads (300 CFM) and matched intake, so he doesn't need a big cam to get flow. Same reason Jim's car runs hard. A more restricted induction/exhaust car would need something bigger to make that power. I do think Jon's car would pick up a lot with a custom cam with a tighter LSA, tad more duration, and a later intake closing point. Camara90's first setup had 165's, performer intake, B cam. No chance that setup was gonna make more than 310 RWHP with the stock 302. Nate on this board had 165's, performer RPM intake, 1 3/4 headers, comp xe274, both of us tuned by Byron etc. That's about as comparable as they get. He made 320/320. There have been several others with TFS #1/#2/E/X/B/Comp xe 270/274/Anderson's N-41 cams and the same supporting cast of parts as me and make no more than 320. I'm just pointing out the fact that my cam is dinky (drives and idles a tad above stock) but puts up the #'s. Nate's since gone the custom route and I can't wait to see his 342 run on the 26th. His car is lighter and has a tad slightly bigger cam and will run harder than Mike's car did. Actually I'm really excited to see it run. I'm not bagging on peoples combo's. I want people around here to run FASTER. Sawson's said it many times, that Norcal has some of the worst NA setups around. Byron said he's only tuned 4-5 NA cars that made more RWHP than it had for cubic inches. How sad is that. We have a few on this board that run hard (NA) but I'd like to see everyone run harder. Raise the standards. Everyone's goal is different, I realize that. But realize an off shelf has more compromised valve timing and a custom has more optimized timing. Also, it's not all about the "peak #". Customs usually start making power sooner and hold it later giving a longer more usefull power band with more AVG power. I think Jim's idea of before and after is a great idea. How long until you have the stage 1 in? I really want this debate to end because the more we get into it, nothing is getting accomplished. I'll agree that we disagree on philosophy. No biggie, I'm not gonna worry about it anymore. I've tried to make my point and others have made theirs. Hope to see ya'll at the track tomorrow :patriot: [/QB][/QUOTE]
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