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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/feb/13/cell-tracker-nondisclosure/


 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Yes, they're using these in Sacramento and The Bay. Cops routinely use these box and lie to the judges and courts about it. Baltimore is just like California http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/08/23/baltimore-police-stingray-cell-surveillance/31994181/

These boxes can track you, download all the contents on your phone, contact list, pictures, text messages, and it all. They can even listen in on your calls. All of these are just a matter of the cops enabling the feature in their software, and then lying to the courts about it.

Doesn't everyone use Signal to text and talk now though? As long as you secure it with a long password, you're one step ahead in the game --- Install Signal for iPhone IOS or Install signal for Android.

We've already been told what not to use, products by any of these backstabbing companies----- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg

and we've been told what information is always permanently recorded and intercepted when we use products by these backstabbing companies

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/PRISM_Collection_Details.jpg

What happened to the 4th amendment? What happened to probable cause?

[ 2016-03-26, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: Martinna ]
 

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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
These fuckers can see listen and hear everything we do know. Don't want to sound like a chemtrail wierdo but we are in the police state of the future and if we're not aware of it they will take more of what they do to the next level. Snowden will never be let back in this country again.
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Yeah, forgot these stingray boxes cops use in the SF bay area and Sacramento also have the capability to secretly turn on the microphone in your phone so they can listen in and record.

Every regular text message and phone call is always recorded and stored.

Most of the internet companies you use secretly give all of this information about you to the government-----------

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/PRISM_Collection_Details.jpg

Just look at that list! They have it all, and no one ever had a say or vote in the freest country on earth! One of the few things we can all do is use the Signal app from https://whispersystems.org It's a start, but not a solution. Only one of the politions running for election right now thinks what the government is doing is wrong. Anyone know who it is? What do the rest of you guys think? Any other tips or advice? We've been living in the matrix and didn't even know it.
 

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Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
here is my two cents. I don't give a fuck if they want to record me or listed to the stupid shit I talked to friends. I love this country so really they have nothing on me in any way. Yes it sucks but hey that's technology for u. And it's just getting better and better. And we can't stop using it
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
losbadgts , lots to say to that. Before starting, don't kid yourself by saying "if they want to record me". You have never had an email, telephone call, instant message or text message in the past 10 years that was not recorded. Not one The only difference is now you know exactly which organizations betrayed your trust.

-0-Maybe you don't care now, but what if someone comes to power that wants to build walls around your nation, deport races of people like the trail of tears, kill your fellow citizens and their children with out due process in the courts {{maybe with a drone}}, or even charging them with a crime, indefinitely detain {jail} citizens with out ever charging them of a crime. What options will you have then? None. You're owned by google,apple,microsoft and facebook which are staunch collaborators with the government and total betrayers of their user's trust.

-0-We all have something to hide! That's why we put locks on our doors, curtains on our windows and passwords on our email and social media accounts. Privacy is engrained in human nature, and the foundation of our freedom. If you really don't care about being spied on, PM me your passwords. Just like google, apple, microsoft and facebook, I'll stroll through your accounts and see what I come up with, and then pass a copy of it all to the cops. You claim to be a good citizen and I'm sure you've never done anything cops would care about like smoke weed, do a burn out in your mustang or speed faster than 65MPH. You have nothing to hide, right? Don't worry, unlike google, facebook, apple or microsoft, I'm not trying to get rich off of your personal info and unlike your government, I'm not trying to control and manipulate your freedom. If you trust these entities, why not trust me? I don't have billions of dollars or the capacity to incarcerate you. After all, you have nothing to hide. It's only bad people that have something to hide and try to keep things private. Do you see how silly this way of thinking is?

-0-These stingray boxes can modify the storage on your phone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingray_phone_tracker It says "Writing metadata to internal storage". To clarify what this means , a cop with a properly configured stingray can change the location of where and when a picture was taken on your phone, where your GPS said you were , who you called and when you called them, and for how long. All of this is metadata! And remember to get these boxes from the FB I, cops had to sign a paper saying they'll LIE TO THE COURTS that they used this technology against their own citizens. Do you really want to hand this much of your freedom over? And if so, in exchange for what? Even if you're not sure, don't you think as "free" people, we should have a vote to decide if we want such weapons used against us?


In your heart you, your friends and family know you should all be using honest software like the Signal app from https://whispersystems.org for text and voice calls. If not for any reason, other than to support an organization that doesn't lie to your face because they think you're an easy to manipulate idiot

[ 2016-03-11, 04:24 AM: Message edited by: Martinna ]
 

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Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on :
 

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Originally posted by losbadgts:
here is my two cents. I don't give a fuck if they want to record me or listed to the stupid shit I talked to friends. I love this country so really they have nothing on me in any way. Yes it sucks but hey that's technology for u. And it's just getting better and better. And we can't stop using it

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Originally posted by losbadgts:
here is my two cents. I don't give a fuck if they want to record me or listed to the stupid shit I talked to friends. I love this country so really they have nothing on me in any way. Yes it sucks but hey that's technology for u. And it's just getting better and better. And we can't stop using it

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To those that don't mind being spied on and powerless, please explain your logic.

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Originally posted by stanger00:
Worked as a contractor in Iraq working on aircraft that had these boxes with linguists to listen to and read suspects texts and other tracking equipment. If the military has it the local authorities have it and will use it. It's all in the name of the "war on drugs". It's no secrete that this technology is widely available and being used without our knowledge but the legality of it all is in question.

Just use apps that encrypt your messages. iMessage encrypts all of your info and they can't read those, as far as I know.

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Yes, General Keith Alexander who ran the spying mission during the conquest of the people of Iraq came home after the war and ran the NSA to run the spying mission on the people of America using the same tools and tricks he learned in Iraq. For years the government has been flying planes over us scooping up all the information on our cell phones , thousands of people at a time ------ http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/14/government-planes-mimic-cellphone-towers-to-collect-user-data-report Now that they're flying drones to monitor Americans, you can bet they'll be using drones to sniff data off our cell phones as well ----------- http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/03/09/pentagon-admits-has-deployed-military-spy-drones-over-us/81474702/

This is what history has taught us, weapons governments claim to "only" use on a small, helpless minority always end up being used against the masses in due time
Just wait until they start using those drone based speeding cameras on freeways


You have a big misunderstanding of how iMessage works. iMessage is one of the least secure message programs out there! Want proof, look at everything Apple lets a government tap on their networks copy ---- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/PRISM_Collection_Details.jpg Apple gives the government a full copy of their customer's Emails, Chats, video calls, voice calls, photos, file transfers, social networking details and more. This chart lists which message apps are secure and which ones aren't ------- https://www.eff.org/secure-messaging-scorecard How many apps have all green check marks?

TL;DR

The Signal app install Signal for iPhone IOS or Install signal for Android with a long pass phrase {a couple of random words} is the most viable messaging app we have these days. Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and others on this list instantly give up 100% of their customer data to the goverment.

[ 2016-03-26, 10:08 PM: Message edited by: Martinna ]
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 

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Just use apps that encrypt your messages. iMessage encrypts all of your info and they can't read those, as far as I know.

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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
I personally don't care if this is the guy's first post or if he owns a Ford or not. Many people don't own one and this is also general talk which means just that.

I personally want to know what rights are being taken, laws changed and everything else that affects my civil liberties etc etc. If this guy wants to enlighten us or make us think in a different way, that is a good thing; not who won a super bowl, world series or any other trivial bull shit. Every time you guys get impressed by a $50 million player, that just means you get to pay for it in the wallet at the game. Stupid. That player should run into the stands and thank each one of you for his multiple Ferrari's and 5 homes.

I think it's a good thing, not a bad thing, and people choose to read this post or not. Those who don't care or think this guy is crazy somehow should look to the next thread about how many rings an NFL team has, because that's really what matters.

This guy is only trying to help not start anything. He's also been very civil and polite in doing so.

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Originally posted by Me:
Yes. All the 100% green check marked apps in the EFF.org link above function the same way as other apps like skype, iMessage, facebook/whatsapp and google hangouts: both sides of the conversation need it installed.


On your laptop Pidgin {PCs} and Adium {MACs} can be used with an existing google account, but both sides must install the OTR Off The Record plugin and enable OTR in the chat window for it to work. Chat logging in enabled by default in the preferences of these two programs, so both sides probably want to disable. This way a local copy isn't kept on your laptop.


The big picture message is not to install an app and regain your liberty. There is no app you can install to regain your rights. Remember, no one asked you if it's okay for them to record every aspect of your life, and you didn't volunteer for it either.

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92_5.0 ---- someone else asked almost the exact same question and I gave a longer answer here------ https://californiafords.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=061189;p=1#000020

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Posted by 50 Deep (Member # 6216) on :
 
You do know that for any recorded conversation "wire tap" or personal information to be admissible in court a judge would have been required to issue a warrant for it to be obtained. Furthermore you would need to be involved in some crimininal investigation, and probable cause already established that you are/had/about to commit a crime, which in most cases would need to be a felony. Any information obtained outside of a warrant would not be admissible in court, and any part of the investigation that benefited from it would be thrown out as part of the "fruit of the poisonous tree" doctrine.

Police departments across the state are understaffed and barely keep up with all the theft, robbery, burglary, domestic violence, vandalism, auto theft, identity theft, and assault cases that pile up everyday. Nobody has the time, manpower, or budget to assign officers to listen to people's random conversations all day. Detectives don't waste their time obtaining evidence illegally, just to have it thrown out in court or get destroyed by a defense attorney. Not to mention the money for whatever type of equipment this is, the hard drive space to store it, and IT staff to manage the programs. Purchasing of all this would go through s budget proposal that the Chief, City manager, and city council would likely have to approve. Nobody is going to waste money on shit like this. Anyone who thinks so is not living in reality.

If you are concerned about individual rights and freedoms more power to you. But I can tell you with certainty that the police aren't listening to your conversations and don't really give a shit. There are much bigger problems to deal with everyday. People losing their lives, women being beaten, children being neglected, and lots of other sad shit. Ain't nobody sitting around with a set of headphones and a red bull just waitin for you to talk about some bullshit you did. Nobody cares. Your not that special.

Go sell your app somewhere else.

'Merica

[ 2016-03-22, 06:29 AM: Message edited by: 50 Deep ]
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Thank you for voicing your opinion in this discussion. I agree. The points you bring up were valid a long time ago. It looks like many of you haven't kept up with the revelations in recent years though. A warrant hasn't been required to spy on you for a long time ---- https://bit.ly/21GcM3C We live in a new age, a new world. Old assumptions about how your government works do not apply.

You are correct, information obtained with out a warrant is not admissible in court, but that's why there is now Parallel Construction ----- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
The government uses Parallel construction to illegally spy on you and find out the contents of your messages, your locations, calls, patterns and then use this information to get a "legitimate" warrant against you. They never tell the court the illegal way they got the information in the first place. This is how the justice system works now ---- http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/09/nsa-loophole-warrantless-searches-email-calls I know many of you weren't aware of this, so approach this topic with an open mind, things have changed. What you thought was true is no longer. Don't come in with any prejudice and judge your situation openly.

This is what cops are doing with this sting ray technology---

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/08/23/baltimore-police-stingray-cell-surveillance/31994181/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/03/10/surprise-nsa-data-will-soon-routinely-be-used-for-domestic-policing-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-terrorism/


Finally, you make two wrong attacks against me personally, instead of the topic. This severely undermines your arguments.

1--- You claim I'm selling free software. Isn't it crazy to think someone is selling something that's 100% free? Read my earlier posts where it clearly shows I sent a link to a long list of tested messaging apps and said to only use 100% secure message apps. {{{{google/facebook/skype/instagram/iMessage are not secure)}}} and mentioned the very few free ones that checked out 100% secure. I'm ashamed to have to explain this, but I honestly do not sell free software. I also do not sell bridges. I had to mention that because that might have been someone's next argument to discredit the articles I've linked to and summarized

2--- I never said and the documents and articles I linked to never said cops are listening in with headphones all the time. While I did show they can do this any time they want with out a warrant or cause. What I really showed using the governments own internal documents is every form of your communications are being recorded on FB I and NS A hard drives and analyzed and you never had a vote or say in it This information on all of us free people is passed down to cops. I also showed many of you do not understand how your government works in this new era.

Notice the nay sayers only try to attack me personally or attack a misrepresentation of the facts I've stated. Makes sense. The facts are too abundant and undeniable.


I'm happy to help anyone preserve their rights and protect their electronic devices. Just ask. Sharing is caring. Knowledge is power.


But there is no app to fix "I was stupid and no longer have a democracy". Sorry.

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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
There's like 10 cops on the board, lol. Cops love mustangs apparently.
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
There are lots of people in law enforcement that are truly great people. No one disputes this fact and lets not mix it up with the true topic of discussion here
 

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Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on :
 
Martinna=full retard
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 

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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
If the government wants to see my dick pics then more power to them

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Look at this I found. Surprise, along with everything else, the government actually does look at your dick and tit pics They then show them to fellow employees and comment or laugh or high five each other while looking at them.

From http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/-sp-edward-snowden-interview-rusbridger-macaskill

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analysts were "thrust into a position of extraordinary responsibility, where they now have access to all your private records. In the course of their daily work, they stumble across something that is completely unrelated in any sort of necessary sense – for example, an intimate nude photo of someone in a sexually compromising situation. But they’re extremely attractive. So what do they do? They turn around in their chair and they show a co-worker. And their co-worker says, ‘Oh, hey, that’s great. Send that to Bill down the way’, and then Bill sends it to George, George sends it to Tom, and sooner or later this person’s whole life has been seen by all of these other people."

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Have you guys heard about these Textalyzers they're planning to start using in NY? They're like a breathalyzer. After an accident or incident, cops will plug your phone into a machine built by an Israeli company. The machine sucks info from your phone to find out if you were texting while driving. The machine can suck down everything from your phone, texts, pictures, passwords, everything. Cops just promise they won't suck everything from your phone. However, since textalyzers are closed source hardware and software you have no way of knowing exactly what cops download from your phone.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/first-came-the-breathalyzer-now-meet-the-roadside-police-textalyzer/

Make up your own mind on whether you want this technology used against you or not Maybe some of you don't care, you have nothing to hide. You never drive your mustangs faster than 65 MPH, burn out or have anything else to hide

For the rest of us, some good tips https://www.eff.org/files/2015/11/23/3mod-police_tips_9-8-2015.pdf and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

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Posted by CoyoteMike (Member # 13748) on :
 
Knock knock....


Whos there?


Yep go fuck off and DIAF.
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
The types of cases cops solve by accessing your cellphones remotely -----
http://cnsmaryland.org/interactives/spring-2016/maryland-police-cell-phone-trackers/index.html

TLDR; Cops in the Central Valley Sacramento area and San Fransisco Bay Area have gotten cell tower simulators from the FBI called Sting Rays. These boxes trick cell phones from vast parts of a city to connect to it. Once your cell phone is connected to a stingray box, cops have access to everything stored on your cell phone. They can read everything on your cell phone. They can put things on your cell phone. They can modify things on your cell phone. They can listen in on all your conversations. Cops use this technology for everything, including finding someone that stole 15 chicken wings. Maybe suspicion-less warrant-less mass surveillance doesn't bother you. Cops will only use this new super powers to help the weak and innocent.
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
The FBI tells cops to lie in court about evidence they steal from your phone and use your stolen info to come up with fabricated evidence against you instead.

https://theintercept.com/2016/05/05/fbi-told-cops-to-recreate-evidence-from-secret-cell-phone-trackers/

This is because cops steal everything from your cell phone with out a warrant, so it can't be directly used against you in court. Maybe you're okay with mass surveillance by cops and the FBI who deliberately lie to judges according to their own internal documents.
 

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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
You keep tip toeing around me, you voting for Hillary now?
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Responded to you in the trump thread, no need to clutter this post. Lets keep this one on topic. What do you think about the story above where cops sucked all the data from hundreds of people's cell phones and claimed it was justified to catch someone that stole 15 chicken wings?

I hear people give up their 4th amendment rights and say "I have nothing to hide, so I don't care now that cops can remotely read everything on my phone with out me knowing." Isn't the same way of thinking about the 1st amendment to say "I have nothing to say so I don't care if cops take away my freedom of speech." Think about it, these people use crooked logic.

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
The American Civil Liberties Union has published a list of police departments fully confirmed to use stingray devices on their citizens -------- https://www.aclu.org/map/stingray-tracking-devices-whos-got-them

On the list

• San Jose Police Department
• Oakland Police Department
• San Francisco Police Department
• Sacramento County Sheriff

Palo Alto Police department is strongly rumored to also be using these devices. So have other departments in the Bay Area.

How is this constitutional ?

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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
What type of Chicken wings where they? If they were the lemon pepper ones at wing stop, those were probably worth the jail time.
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Maybe making jokes makes you feel better about losing your rights. Have you seen the latest toy law enforcement has to snoop on your phone ?
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https://motherboard.vice.com/read/fbi-app-interception-systems When turned on these small boxes will steal gmail, facebook, instagram, dropbox and other passwords from everyone in the area! Not just the bad guys. Not just the minorities. Everyone. What are the chances they use these devices on spy planes they fly over large US cities? ---- https://www.yahoo.com/tech/fbi-behind-mysterious-surveillance-aircraft-over-us-cities-070836765--politics.html


Why is your government doing this to you? Why do you think it's their mission to always know where you are, who you talk to, and what you say? What could someone do with this information?
 

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Posted by Marks93 (Member # 11130) on :
 
^^ Posted at 2:30am with one hand typing on the keyboard, the other barely propping open his venecian blinds to see who's spying on him!!


 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Marks93 ------ Please explain. I tell you your rights have been taken away. You have to abide by laws and rules those with money and power don't have to. Those in power require to know everything you say, every where you go and who you speak to. Your come back to this is to attack me, the messenger. I could be the worse person in the world. The biggest criminal. I could kick puppies and steal candy from children. How does that change the facts I've been sharing with you? How does that change that the government records all of your texts, emails and phone calls? I inform you you've lost your freedom and liberty. Your only reply is to attack the person who enlightened you?
 

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Posted by CoyoteMike (Member # 13748) on :
 

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Marks93 ------ Please explain. I tell you your rights have been taken away. You have to abide by laws and rules those with money and power don't have to. Those in power require to know everything you say, every where you go and who you speak to. Your come back to this is to attack me, the messenger. I could be the worse person in the world. The biggest criminal. I could kick puppies and steal candy from children. How does that change the facts I've been sharing with you? How does that change that the government records all of your texts, emails and phone calls? I inform you you've lost your freedom and liberty. Your only reply is to attack the person who enlightened you?

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Posted by [SHO]TIME (Member # 8962) on :
 
I just have to add that did you guys know that one in ten people you live by is a pedophile!!!!! Not me though, i just live next to a couple gorgeous 10 year olds
 

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Posted by theconductor (Member # 13458) on :
 
I think it's fair to say that you can consider us all warned. Thanks to you, we now know that we are losing our civil liberties at an alarming rate. We are very grateful for your time. No need to remind us of the truth anymore. Consider your work here done.

Cheers!
 

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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 

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I just have to add that did you guys know that one in ten people you live by is a pedophile!!!!! Not me though, i just live next to a couple gorgeous 10 year olds

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Marks93 ------ Please explain. I tell you your rights have been taken away. You have to abide by laws and rules those with money and power don't have to.

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Surveillance is the tool those with money and power use to apply leverage against those with out money and power.
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Have you gentlemen seen the automatic license plate readers cops are using? They record your license plate, time and GPS location. San Fransisco PDs ALPR in action


 

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