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Originally posted by a302juGRnot:
I'm not Japanese but I personally think it was pretty fucked up to bomb a whole city let alone two. I know there were reasons why it was done and I'm not here to argue about them however, we all know how it feels when innocent people die for the cause of another group of people they can't control. It's nothing to be proud about or celebrate.

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On the night of 9–10 March ("Operation Meetinghouse"),[9] 334 B-29s took off to raid with 279 of them dropping 1,665 tons of bombs on Tokyo. The bombs were mostly the 500-pound (230 kg) E-46 cluster bomb which released 38 napalm-carrying M-69 incendiary bomblets at an altitude of 2,000–2,500 ft (610–760 m). The M-69s punched through thin roofing material or landed on the ground; in either case they ignited 3–5 seconds later, throwing out a jet of flaming napalm globs. A lesser number of M-47 incendiaries was also dropped: the M-47 was a 100-pound (45 kg) jelled-gasoline and white phosphorus bomb which ignited upon impact. In the first two hours of the raid, 226 of the attacking aircraft unloaded their bombs to overwhelm the city's fire defenses.[10] The first B-29s to arrive dropped bombs in a large X pattern centered in Tokyo's densely populated working class district near the docks in both Koto and Chuo city wards on the water; later aircraft simply aimed near this flaming X. Fourteen B-29s were lost.[11] The individual fires caused by the bombs joined to create a general conflagration, which would have been classified as a firestorm but for prevailing winds gusting at 17 to 28 mph (27 to 45 km/h).[12] Approximately 15.8 square miles (4,090 ha) of the city was destroyed and some 100,000 people are estimated to have died.[13][14] The US Strategic Bombing Survey later estimated that nearly 88,000 people died in this one raid, 41,000 were injured, and over a million residents lost their homes. The Tokyo Fire Department estimated a higher toll: 97,000 killed and 125,000 wounded. The Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department established a figure of 124,711 casualties including both killed and wounded and 286,358 buildings and homes destroyed. Richard Rhodes, historian, put deaths at over 100,000, injuries at a million and homeless residents at a million.[15]

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Originally posted by wilit:
I have a buddy (American) who went to high school in Japan. Yes, they teach about the bomb. They have a skewed view of how WWII went down however, which portrays them as the victims and not the aggressors. They also don't mention any of the atrocities they committed, such as the rape of Nanking, completely disregarding all Geneva Convention accords and everything Unit 731 one. If you don't know what Unit 731 is, look it up.

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Originally posted by wilit:
I have a buddy (American) who went to high school in Japan. Yes, they teach about the bomb. They have a skewed view of how WWII went down however, which portrays them as the victims and not the aggressors. They also don't mention any of the atrocities they committed, such as the rape of Nanking, completely disregarding all Geneva Convention accords and everything Unit 731 did. If you don't know what Unit 731 is, look it up.

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Originally posted by 70stang351w:
wish i had my Grandfathers pics of his tour Most of the pics have comments from him and friends saying they that they looked good this way all blown to shit.

They deserved more than just 2 bombs

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Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:
Dropping the bombs saved millions of American lives. If we hadn't probably more than half the people on this forum wouldn't exist today.

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Originally posted by a302juGRnot:
I'm not Japanese but I personally think it was pretty fucked up to bomb a whole city let alone two. I know there were reasons why it was done and I'm not here to argue about them however, we all know how it feels when innocent people die for the cause of another group of people they can't control. It's nothing to be proud about or celebrate.

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You know the firebombing of Tokyo, Kyoto and other cities killed far more people than either of the two atomic bombs right? If anything, at least the A-bomb was more humane as most were killed instantly rather than suffocating or burning alive.

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On the night of 9–10 March ("Operation Meetinghouse"),[9] 334 B-29s took off to raid with 279 of them dropping 1,665 tons of bombs on Tokyo. The bombs were mostly the 500-pound (230 kg) E-46 cluster bomb which released 38 napalm-carrying M-69 incendiary bomblets at an altitude of 2,000–2,500 ft (610–760 m). The M-69s punched through thin roofing material or landed on the ground; in either case they ignited 3–5 seconds later, throwing out a jet of flaming napalm globs. A lesser number of M-47 incendiaries was also dropped: the M-47 was a 100-pound (45 kg) jelled-gasoline and white phosphorus bomb which ignited upon impact. In the first two hours of the raid, 226 of the attacking aircraft unloaded their bombs to overwhelm the city's fire defenses.[10] The first B-29s to arrive dropped bombs in a large X pattern centered in Tokyo's densely populated working class district near the docks in both Koto and Chuo city wards on the water; later aircraft simply aimed near this flaming X. Fourteen B-29s were lost.[11] The individual fires caused by the bombs joined to create a general conflagration, which would have been classified as a firestorm but for prevailing winds gusting at 17 to 28 mph (27 to 45 km/h).[12] Approximately 15.8 square miles (4,090 ha) of the city was destroyed and some 100,000 people are estimated to have died.[13][14] The US Strategic Bombing Survey later estimated that nearly 88,000 people died in this one raid, 41,000 were injured, and over a million residents lost their homes. The Tokyo Fire Department estimated a higher toll: 97,000 killed and 125,000 wounded. The Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department established a figure of 124,711 casualties including both killed and wounded and 286,358 buildings and homes destroyed. Richard Rhodes, historian, put deaths at over 100,000, injuries at a million and homeless residents at a million.[15]

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Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:
Dropping the bombs saved millions of American lives. If we hadn't probably more than half the people on this forum wouldn't exist today.

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Not only that, but Japanese lives. They were training children how to become suicide bombers and stab GI's with bamboo spears. Look at the battle for Okinawa. The amount of civilian and military loss on the Japanese side is staggering. And Okinawa is like pseudo-Japan. The invasion of the home islands would have been much worse.

Another thing most people don't know is shortly before Japan surrendered, the Soviets finally declared war (part of the overall plan by the Allies). Had the Soviets got full blown into the war, Japan would NEVER have become the nation it is today. Japan and Russia already had bad blood from the Russo-Japanese war. If Stalin had his way, he would have murdered every last inhabitant of the island.

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Originally posted by 70stang351w:
wish i had my Grandfathers pics of his tour Most of the pics have comments from him and friends saying they that they looked good this way all blown to shit.

They deserved more than just 2 bombs

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Both of my Grandparents fought in the Pacific. One carried a BAR and mowed down plenty of bad guys while jumping from island to island. My other grand dad supplied ammo on the ships for anti aircraft guns. He couldn't believe how they would fly into the damn planes killing themselves. He didn't really like to talk about the war and what he saw.

Honestly I feel worse for the Japanese Americans that were rounded up here in American and put into camps. Could you imagine if we had tried to do that today with Muslims? Shows how much times have changed. Some for the better and some for the worse.

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Originally posted by a302juGRnot:
I'm not Japanese but I personally think it was pretty fucked up to bomb a whole city let alone two. I know there were reasons why it was done and I'm not here to argue about them however, we all know how it feels when innocent people die for the cause of another group of people they can't control. It's nothing to be proud about or celebrate.

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You know the firebombing of Tokyo, Kyoto and other cities killed far more people than either of the two atomic bombs right? If anything, at least the A-bomb was more humane as most were killed instantly rather than suffocating or burning alive.

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On the night of 9–10 March ("Operation Meetinghouse"),[9] 334 B-29s took off to raid with 279 of them dropping 1,665 tons of bombs on Tokyo. The bombs were mostly the 500-pound (230 kg) E-46 cluster bomb which released 38 napalm-carrying M-69 incendiary bomblets at an altitude of 2,000–2,500 ft (610–760 m). The M-69s punched through thin roofing material or landed on the ground; in either case they ignited 3–5 seconds later, throwing out a jet of flaming napalm globs. A lesser number of M-47 incendiaries was also dropped: the M-47 was a 100-pound (45 kg) jelled-gasoline and white phosphorus bomb which ignited upon impact. In the first two hours of the raid, 226 of the attacking aircraft unloaded their bombs to overwhelm the city's fire defenses.[10] The first B-29s to arrive dropped bombs in a large X pattern centered in Tokyo's densely populated working class district near the docks in both Koto and Chuo city wards on the water; later aircraft simply aimed near this flaming X. Fourteen B-29s were lost.[11] The individual fires caused by the bombs joined to create a general conflagration, which would have been classified as a firestorm but for prevailing winds gusting at 17 to 28 mph (27 to 45 km/h).[12] Approximately 15.8 square miles (4,090 ha) of the city was destroyed and some 100,000 people are estimated to have died.[13][14] The US Strategic Bombing Survey later estimated that nearly 88,000 people died in this one raid, 41,000 were injured, and over a million residents lost their homes. The Tokyo Fire Department estimated a higher toll: 97,000 killed and 125,000 wounded. The Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department established a figure of 124,711 casualties including both killed and wounded and 286,358 buildings and homes destroyed. Richard Rhodes, historian, put deaths at over 100,000, injuries at a million and homeless residents at a million.[15]

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i understand the reasons why it was done and i dont want to argue whether it was justified or not. i also understand that the japanese soldiers committed terrible acts. maybe it did save more people at the end. however, innocent people/children died that were not responsible for the japanese government.

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