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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
http://www.news10.net/story/news/investigations/2014/07/31/sacramento-sheriff-admits-to-use-of-cell-phone-spying-technology/13429645/

Confidential informants lol
 

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Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
Big brother at it again!!
 

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Posted by Built88LX (Member # 10758) on :
 
Apparently its cool to invade our privacy
 

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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
Apparently they won't discuss how it works and regards the system a confidential informant which means they don't have to reveal the source of their data if you get popped for something.

Sacramento is the first county to implement it and all the other districts are trying to get it...
 

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Posted by MauriSSio (Member # 9943) on :
 
Now they know people watch twerking videos all day, who cares.
 

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Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on :
 
Who makes illegal moves on the phone anyways.
 

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Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on :
 
The government has been watching us.
 

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Posted by CobramanPhil (Member # 2170) on :
 
They spent $250k and don't have to account for it????That's what I am more concerned about.
 

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Posted by cemelevu (Member # 10601) on :
 
Still need a warrant to tap a land line.
 

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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
They want to use the GPS in your phone to track your speed too, fyi
 

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Posted by MauriSSio (Member # 9943) on :
 

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Originally posted by 135.0:
They want to use the GPS in your phone to track your speed too, fyi

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Originally posted by MauriSSio:

If anything the information collected can be used to further prove your innocence in most cases. No more exaggerating your speed on tickets.

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See if you think like this, they'll always pass bs stuff on people. They won't use it to help you they'll use it to make more money with less work.

Same with that fining people for sagging their pants in other states. Sure people like the idea because they don't want to see it. But do you really want the state to start controlling what you wear and how you wear it? To me all the government is trying to do is control us in every way, and the people who only see the tiny bit of help we get from it are the ones letting bullshit things pass.
 

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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/02/fbi-really-doesnt-want-anyone-to-know-about-stingray-use-by-local-cops/
 

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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
Keeping you up to date:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-the-big-secret-surrounding-stingray-surveillance/
 

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Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on :
 
One year anniversary of a great sticky!
 

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Posted by CoyoteMike (Member # 13748) on :
 
Protecting and serving the shit out of us still.


 

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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJunhvhdkS4&feature=youtu.be

They finally owned up to it and are admitting they've had it since 2006!
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
What do you expect? Look at these companies that turned on American citizens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg

and hand over all of this data from all of their customers https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/PRISM_Collection_Details.jpg

For talking and texting everyone knows to use the
Signal ap Install Signal for iPhone IOS or Install signal for Android with a long hard to guess pass phrase. Anyone know of other companies that don't screw over their customers like the crooked ones mentioned in the slides above do?

[ 2016-03-26, 10:33 PM: Message edited by: Martinna ]
 

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Posted by SLOWBACK 67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
The best way to protect yourself against cyber theift is to....... Not put your personal shit on the internet. People give up all their personal info on facebook and other apps to their 1000+ people they've never met in their lives LOL.
 

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Posted by Built88LX (Member # 10758) on :
 

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Originally posted by Martinna:
What do you expect? Look at these companies that turned on American citizens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg

and hand over all of this data from all of their customers https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/PRISM_Collection_Details.jpg

For talking and texting everyone knows to use the
Signal ap from https://whispersystems.org with a long hard to guess pass phrase. Anyone know of other companies that don't screw over their customers like the crooked ones mentioned in the slides above do?

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So what happens when the other party your texting doesn't have the app then it's still basically an unsecured sms-mms message and it defeats the purpose right?
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Very good question. Both parties need the ap installed. 100% of normal text messages and phone calls are now recorded by the government. This revolution was not televised You had no say in this change, no vote, no public discussion

The Signal ap from https://whispersystems.org functions similar to facebook chat/WhatsApp, google hangouts or skype. Both ends need to have Signal installed to talk, just like both ends need Skype installed to talk. What's different about Signal is that only the recipient on the other end can decrypt your text message or hear your voice. Big corporations like facebook and google only encrypt your conversation between you and their servers. Then Facebook/Google decrypts your private conversation and keeps a copy for themselves to analyze for information they can sell to their advertisers, and then facebook/google gives the full copy of your conversation to the government to store and analyze! The government's own documents which were never intended for its citizens to ever see brag about this fact, take a look ------ https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/PRISM_Collection_Details.jpg

Those perverts at google will also read your private information and stalk children http://gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-google-engineer-stalked-teens-spied-on-chats Not surprising this stuff happens, google's business model is surveillance. With the Signal ap this can never happen because only the phone on the other end can decrypt your message, versus google, facebook, whatsap, microsoft, skype, apple, and the rest which all access and process all of your messages, then give a copy to the government.

So what can you do? You have very few options, and installing the free Signal ap from https://whispersystems.org is one of the best!

Take a look at the chart below of secure messaging platforms. Almost all of them provide zero security or privacy!

https://www.eff.org/secure-messaging-scorecard


Out of the few aps you can trust that have 100% green marks. Cryptocat was shut down. The Government tried to do a sting operation on its creator. Chatsecure+Orbot still exists last time I checked, haven't checked up. Silent Text and Silent Phone are great, but you have to pay for them. Telegram was proven to be a fraud, they were exposed for keeping a copy of your chats on their servers in clear text, zero trust. Text Secure was merged with Redphone into the Signal ap. The OTR plugin from https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/ when used with https://pidgin.im works for PC chats. The MAC version Adium has authors that are a bit sketchy, so it can't be fully trusted, but at least google can't fully spy on you with Adium if you use the OTR plugin on a MAC.

TL;DR;

The Signal ap https://whispersystems.org with a long pass phrase {a couple of random words} is the most viable ap we have these days for protection against crooked government, corporation and law enforcement employees. Next best is a paid ap Silent Phone and Silent text from the company Silent Circle. There is also Pidgin with the OTR plugin for PCs, with logging disabled in the preferences on both sides. That's it. Pretty much safe to say all other chat apps are bullshit and collude with the government and other companies behind your back, while lying about it to your face. Just the facts.

Real talk; Google, Facebook/Whatsapp, Skype, Apple, Microsoft can't be trusted with anything. They betray and lie to their users every day.

[ 2016-03-11, 01:31 AM: Message edited by: Martinna ]
 

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Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on :
 
The new generation doesn't have a clue how important this kind of stuff is! They would never use this against you....right??

Be careful when you blindly follow the masses. Sometimes the M is silent.
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Yes, but maybe it's the older generations fault for not teaching them well.

Surprise, NS A data is about to be used by cops to come at us for things that have nothing to do with "terrorism"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/03/10/surprise-nsa-data-will-soon-routinely-be-used-for-domestic-policing-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-terrorism/

this is the definition of a police state

Some tips for talking to the police ------

https://www.eff.org/files/2015/11/23/3mod-police_tips_9-8-2015.pdf


Found some new info on the Prism program linked before. This program takes copy of all the text, video and voice data from Apple, Google, Facebook, Yahoo, Microsoft and the rest. The link below shows the FB I that gets their own copy, sometimes the CIA gets a copy too, and then they pass the rest over to the NS A

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Prism-slide-7.jpg

[ 2016-03-16, 03:25 AM: Message edited by: Martinna ]
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 

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Originally posted by SLOWBACK 67:
The best way to protect yourself against cyber theift is to....... Not put your personal shit on the internet. People give up all their personal info on facebook and other apps to their 1000+ people they've never met in their lives LOL.

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Yes, this is a good start. Your private information is worth billions. Surveillance is the business model of companies like facebook and google. They take your personal information which you give to them for free and sell it to advertising companies and give a copy of all your information to the government. Your information is so valuable, in less than a decade it turned these small companies into two of the richest most powerful in the world. Think about how valuable your personal information is to corporations and governments before you give it away for free. At least BS some of it

[ 2016-03-26, 10:41 PM: Message edited by: Martinna ]
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Just release ---- California law enforcement offers regularly use computer databases to spy on innocent citizens instead of true criminals.


TL;DR ---- Law enforcement agents like cops have access to a government database containing personal information on you. Cops regularly use this database to spy on innocent citizens for personal use. You can imagine what they use it for, spying on girlfriends, love interests, friends, people they don't like. All this information is available to them ----- https://www.eff.org/files/2015/11/17/clets_diagram_-_information.png


You can't say spying is okay if it's just google or just facebook or just the NSA doing the snooping. Your personal information always gets passed around and shared behind your back! Surveillance is morally wrong, no matter who does it. Don't be a sucker and accept it!



[ 2016-04-05, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: Martinna ]
 

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Posted by CoyoteMike (Member # 13748) on :
 

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Originally posted by Martinna:
Just release ---- California law enforcement offers regularly use computer databases to spy on innocent citizens instead of true criminals.


TL;DR ---- Law enforcement agents like cops have access to a government database containing personal information on you. Cops regularly use this database to spy on innocent citizens for personal use. You can imagine what they use it for, spying on girlfriends, love interests, friends, people they don't like. All this information is available to them ----- https://www.eff.org/files/2015/11/17/clets_diagram_-_information.png


You can't say spying is okay if it's just google or just facebook or just the NSA doing the snooping. Your personal information always gets passed around and shared behind your back! Surveillance is morally wrong, no matter who does it. Don't be a sucker and accept it!

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
A story on how LAPD is going all out to spy on its citizens. Do you really think SF PD and Sac PD aren't doing much of the same?


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The LAPD uses big data for "predictive policing," street cameras with highly accurate facial recognition capabilities, Stingrays, and DRT boxes - which imitate cellphone towers to track nearby phones or jam signals - automatic license plate readers, body cameras, and drones.

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One of the first elements of being free is to be free from suspicion. When you are under mass suspicion-less surveillance in both the real world and online, you are no longer free. Maybe you're okay with this. That's your choice.

[ 2016-04-06, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: Martinna ]
 

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Posted by CoyoteMike (Member # 13748) on :
 

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Originally posted by Martinna:
A story on how LAPD is going all out to spy on its citizens. Do you really think SF PD and Sac PD aren't doing much of the same?


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The LAPD uses big data for "predictive policing," street cameras with highly accurate facial recognition capabilities, Stingrays, and DRT boxes - which imitate cellphone towers to track nearby phones or jam signals - automatic license plate readers, body cameras, and drones.

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One of the first elements of being free is to be free from suspicion. When you are under mass suspicion-less surveillance in both the real world and online, you are no longer free. Maybe you're okay with this. That's your choice.

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Posted a new thread about this by mistake instead of replying to this one. For all of you that take public transpiration ----

Your lovely government isn't giving up spying on you -----

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/04/15/474405951/your-conversation-on-the-bus-or-train-may-be-recorded

If you're lucky, you'll see signs like "Video and Audio systems in use." on BART, Cal Train and other forms of public transportation. This means you're being video and audio taped with sensitive microphones to record your conversations. Yes, with STING RAY boxes used by cops are doing the same recording using your cell phone. Guess violating your cell phone wasn't enough for them.

TL;DR
Watch what you say while using public transportation like buses and trains. The government now records your conversions. Add this to the list of all your phone calls, text messages, emails and video chats they already record

[ 2016-05-10, 04:08 AM: Message edited by: Martinna ]
 

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Posted by CoyoteMike (Member # 13748) on :
 

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Originally posted by Martinna:
A story on how LAPD is going all out to spy on its citizens. Do you really think SF PD and Sac PD aren't doing much of the same?


TL;DR

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The LAPD uses big data for "predictive policing," street cameras with highly accurate facial recognition capabilities, Stingrays, and DRT boxes - which imitate cellphone towers to track nearby phones or jam signals - automatic license plate readers, body cameras, and drones.

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One of the first elements of being free is to be free from suspicion. When you are under mass suspicion-less surveillance in both the real world and online, you are no longer free. Maybe you're okay with this. That's your choice.

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We don't need you to type at all. We know where you are. We know where you've been. We can more or less know what you're thinking about.

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I actually think most people don’t want Google to answer their questions, they want Google to tell them what they should be doing next

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Streetview, the cars we drive only once, you can just move, right?

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If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it

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Originally posted by Martinna:
A story on how LAPD is going all out to spy on its citizens. Do you really think SF PD and Sac PD aren't doing much of the same?


TL;DR

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The LAPD uses big data for "predictive policing," street cameras with highly accurate facial recognition capabilities, Stingrays, and DRT boxes - which imitate cellphone towers to track nearby phones or jam signals - automatic license plate readers, body cameras, and drones.

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One of the first elements of being free is to be free from suspicion. When you are under mass suspicion-less surveillance in both the real world and online, you are no longer free. Maybe you're okay with this. That's your choice.

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Originally posted by Martinna:
Marks93 ---- you seem like a very sharp guy. Especially compared to many people here. Help me understand why when someone tells you the government records everything in your yahoo account, you attack that person instead of the organization that violated your constitutional rights and privacy? Did your ancestors get mad at Paul Revere for telling Americans the British were coming? Don't be mad at me, I don't steal your passwords, record all your calls, texts and emails. I don't keep a database of your phone's GPS location. I don't place microphones in street lamps , buses and trains. You have no reason to express anger or ridicule towards me.

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Did you guys hear half of all American adults have their pictures in the police database for facial recognition ?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/18/police-facial-recognition-database-surveillance-profiling

This is what all the security cameras, stingrays to read the contents on your phone and access to your emails are about.

Which half are you in?
 

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Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on :
 
I did know that but what can we do? They're not just going to delete them. The government ain't here for us, never have been. They just like playing us like puppets and most people are ok with it because it barely benefits them(in a what if situation in their head) so they're willing to give everything up. Kinda like CHrUMP voters.
 

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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 

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I did know that but what can we do? They're not just going to delete them. The government ain't here for us, never have been. They just like playing us like puppets and most people are ok with it because it barely benefits them(in a what if situation in their head) so they're willing to give everything up. Kinda like CHrUMP voters.

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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
I did know that but what can we do? They're not just going to delete them. The government ain't here for us, never have been. They just like playing us like puppets and most people are ok with it because it barely benefits them(in a what if situation in their head) so they're willing to give everything up. Kinda like CHrUMP voters.

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Wait til you find out what Hillary has for us.

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Do you think there's only two presidential candidates or something? They just like showing two circus clowns with money.
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
NEIGHT ----- you should never learn to be helpless. History has shown even the least powerful and least privileged humans can change the world. From a poor Tunisian street vendor that lit himself on fire sparking the toppling of Arab dictators around the world, to a high school drop out Rosa Parks refusing to relinquish her seat on the bus due to her race, to defense contractors sharing with all of us violations of the Constitution and violations of the privacy of billions of people. They all changed history. Do not give into defeatism, it's never justified.


There isn't one thing you can do. It's a process. Part of the process is changing the software you use to communicate and which companies you deal with. Want a start? Do not deal with these lying crooked companies as these formerly secret internal government documents show -----

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg

because for years they secretly gave all of this information to governments while lying to your face ----

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/PRISM_Collection_Details.jpg

Yes, that's the FBI bragging about "voice content" in the slide below -----

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Prism-slide-7.jpg

They truly think you are a gullible fool.


If you and others would like, I can start a new thread sharing what apps and software you can use for

-secure text messaging

-voice calls

-emails

-file encryption

-operating systems

-anything else you'd like.

Remember, it's a process, not a single step or single thing people need to do. Lets help each other.
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Gentleman, about a year ago I suggested you install the signal app to keep all of your conversations from being recorded. The Signal app has since gotten so popular, it is now approved for US Senate staff use. Read---- https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/17/us-senate-approves-signal-for-staff-use/

It makes sense right, since the government records all texts, emails and phone calls you make, people should always use encryption software to preserve their freedom.


For talking and texting everyone knows to use the
Signal ap Install Signal for iPhone IOS or Install signal for Android.

The Clinton campaign uses it. The Trump organization uses it. Edward J Snowden uses it. The US Senate uses it. Why shouldn't you?


If you have any technical questions about this stuff, please ask.
 

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Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Over a year has gone by and Signal messenger app has gotten 400% more users since Trump got elected.


Not everyone wants their government to record all their texts, phone calls and video chats. These leaked documents show you what they already record----





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