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Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
um wtf just happened?
http://youtu.be/Bk58MLZaNm0

[ 2014-02-25, 06:47 PM: Message edited by: 135.0 ]
 
Posted by ECOboostin (Member # 4347) on :
 
Don't bring a knife to a gun fight
 
Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :
 
Yup. Dumb ass should listen.
 
Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66_5.0:
Yup. Dumb ass should listen.
+1

sucks for the officer to be put in that position.

[ 2014-02-24, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: losbadgts ]
 
Posted by red5o (Member # 12651) on :
 
Man fuck that cop 5 shots was not necessary [Mad]
 
Posted by ECOboostin (Member # 4347) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by red5o:
Man fuck that cop 5 shots was not necessary [Mad]
Really? How many shots is needed to kill someone?
 
Posted by 51505.0 (Member # 1904) on :
 
I know fuck that cop he should have shot him in the eyeball so he couldn't see then ran away and called for backup. Lol
 
Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by red5o:
Man fuck that cop 5 shots was not necessary [Mad]
U know maybe someone can shine in on this. But I was thinking about it and was the 5 shot really needed. I mean the knife was visible I think maybe 2 shots to the should being he was very close range. So my question is when traning is it in the academy do they teach u to shot and kill or wound. I mean if it was a gun I can see kill him. But a knife vs gun.
 
Posted by 87MclarenMustang (Member # 10695) on :
 
And what about tazers? Weren't they put into police hands for situations like this where it can end without someone dying?
 
Posted by 166 Merlo (Member # 1549) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ECOboostin:
quote:
Originally posted by red5o:
Man fuck that cop 5 shots was not necessary [Mad]
Really? How many shots is needed to kill someone?
He could have knee-capped the motherfucker but if he lived to tell his side of the story then the whole PD might/probably got sued. Either for negligence or some other dumb shit U'd never think...

And yea there was a video but the law isnt written in stone, its meant to be manipulated. Even with a video...

I would argue that there was no threat to fire fivr rounds... 3 in the chest/2 in the head. Sounds like an assassination to me... [Whoo Whooooo!] nigga!
 
Posted by red5o (Member # 12651) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 166 Merlo:
quote:
Originally posted by ECOboostin:
quote:
Originally posted by red5o:
Man fuck that cop 5 shots was not necessary [Mad]
Really? How many shots is needed to kill someone?
He could have knee-capped the motherfucker but if he lived to tell his side of the story then the whole PD might/probably got sued. Either for negligence or some other dumb shit U'd never think...

And yea there was a video but the law isnt written in stone, its meant to be manipulated. Even with a video...

I would argue that there was no threat to fire fivr rounds... 3 in the chest/2 in the head. Sounds like an assassination to me... [Whoo Whooooo!] nigga!
Perfictly said
 
Posted by red5o (Member # 12651) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 87MclarenMustang:
And what about tazers? Weren't they put into police hands for situations like this where it can end without someone dying?
+1
 
Posted by 166 Merlo (Member # 1549) on :
 
Cops are trained to kill. And then get Two weeks paid leave to think about what he/she has done...

Oh yeah, plus and a dead man can rebuttal.
 
Posted by 89foxstang (Member # 5908) on :
 
Knife vs gun isn't so simple. Dude was close and approaching the officer causing the officer to have to backup through the house. If the officer would've tripped he'd be dead. I personally think the guy was trying to force the cop to kill him.

http://youtu.be/4AN2PUzVYWQ
 
Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 89foxstang:
Knife vs gun isn't so simple. Dude was close and approaching the officer causing the officer to have to backup through the house. If the officer would've tripped he'd be dead. I personally think the guy was trying to force the cop to kill him.

http://youtu.be/4AN2PUzVYWQ
If he wanted to hurt the officer he would have done so or gotten close. As said in here if he would have tripped, he's dead. 5 shots may be excessive but I don't know the whole story.

Maybe the guy is mentally unstable. Who knows. But he was told at least 3 times to drop it.
 
Posted by Arch (Member # 5177) on :
 
I don't get why one in each knee cap wouldn't have been just as affective. I don't have special training. But it seems that would have stopped him from getting to you with a knife.
 
Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on :
 
This isn't the fucking movies lol cops don't shoot for your leg or your butt cheeks...if they shoot at you its going to be a minimum of 3 shots center mass.
 
Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:
This isn't the fucking movies lol cops don't shoot for your leg or your butt cheeks...if they shoot at you its going to be a minimum of 3 shots center mass.
Lmfao at the butt cheeks. No they shoot center mass.
 
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by red5o:
Man fuck that cop 5 shots was not necessary [Mad]
Put yourself in his position. This officer probably has a wife and kids and faced with this situation its either the officer or the suspect, which one do you think wants to go home to his family at the end of the day. I'd do whatever it takes for me to go home at the end of the day not roll over and let someone stab me.
 
Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
I think a taser would have been just fine to subdue the suspect with a knife
 
Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on :
 
Officers are trained to move to the next level of force ie suspect with knife = use gun. Also, I attended a training a few years ago where an instructor came at us with a knife, if you don't already have our gun drawn and are ready to shoot within about a 20 feet radius you get stabbed every single time which equals not going home to your family. In that position you would shoot too.

Also, for those of you saying fuck the cop lol I ask that you stop screaming that you will blast the next person who tries to steal your precious foxbody.

[ 2014-02-25, 10:21 AM: Message edited by: fstryde3 ]
 
Posted by MauriSSio (Member # 9943) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fstryde3:
Officers are trained to move to the next level of force ie suspect with knife = use gun. Also, I attended a training a few years ago where an instructor came at us with a knife, if you don't already have our gun drawn and are ready to shoot within about a 20 feet radius you get stabbed every single time which equals not going home to your family. In that position you would shoot too.

Also, for those of you saying fuck the cop lol I ask that you stop screaming that you will blast the next person who tries to steal your precious foxbody.
I agree. This isn't an old Western movie. Center mass and keep pulling the trigger until the threat is done (pretty much dead). That's why you don't mess with anyone with a gun especially a trained officer.
Tazers may or may not work. If both prongs don't hook, officer is dead. Using his gun was clearly the right thing to do. The officers job isn't too make it a fair fight and winner takes all.
 
Posted by 89foxstang (Member # 5908) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Arch:
I don't get why one in each knee cap wouldn't have been just as affective. I don't have special training. But it seems that would have stopped him from getting to you with a knife.
My question would be in a life or death situation are you going to try to shoot at a moving target the size of an orange or a basketball while backing up ? This guy gave the officer no other choice but to kill him ..
 
Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on :
 
Knee caps?? Hahahaha is this a joke?? Someone's walking at you with knives in their hands with a crazy blank look on their face while being unresponsive, while all of this is happening in a 10x12 room, and someone says kneecaps Lmao...


Aim big miss small....

[ 2014-02-25, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: RED@7kVERT *8850GT* ]
 
Posted by SLOWBACK 67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by red5o:
Man fuck that cop 5 shots was not necessary [Mad]
So you're gonna only shoot an intruder breaking into our house one time? You shoot till the threat is stopped. [patriot]

If he had used a taser and still died then everyone would say, " he should have just pulled a rock bottom to hulk leg drop to figure 4 leg lock on the guy instead of killing him."

[ 2014-02-25, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: SLOWBACK 67 ]
 
Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:
Knee caps?? Hahahaha is this a joke?? Someone's walking at you with knives in their hands with a crazy blank look on their face while being unresponsive, while all of this is happening in a 10x12 room, and someone says kneecaps Lmao...


Aim big miss small....
I have to agree.

He asked the dude with the knife NUMEROUS times to drop the weapon.

Now if you were in his shoes, not knowing the guy, no history what-so-ever and he is holding a knife, coming towards you (yet you know he is suicidal).

I'd let loose too, let loose until he drops (he could've been on drugs, bath salts etc etc).
 
Posted by FiveOhChuck (Member # 12588) on :
 
Cops rule everything a cop can fuck your bitch if he wants. He can kill your whole family if he feels threatened. I'm tired of always hearing about people defending cops when they are clearly out of line. It would have been different if he was actually close to assaulting the officer ONE SHOT WILL STOP ANYONE unless you have a gun then yeah kill that fucker if he fires shots at you. But one shot center mass would have stopped him
 
Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by FiveOhChuck:
Cops rule everything a cop can fuck your bitch if he wants. He can kill your whole family if he feels threatened. I'm tired of always hearing about people defending cops when they are clearly out of line. It would have been different if he was actually close to assaulting the officer ONE SHOT WILL STOP ANYONE unless you have a gun then yeah kill that fucker if he fires shots at you. But one shot center mass would have stopped him
This is not true. Officers are questioned for everything/action they take. He was not out of line in this situation in regards to using the firearm.

It's so easy to analyze it after the fact. It was a split second decision between life and death. Like Slowback said, if the taser had been used then someone would have said "Oh just give him a hug, that's all they needed."

And one shot will not stop every single person..especially one on drugs.

[ 2014-02-25, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: 66_5.0 ]
 
Posted by red5o (Member # 12651) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by blackfifty:
quote:
Originally posted by red5o:
Man fuck that cop 5 shots was not necessary [Mad]
Put yourself in his position. This officer probably has a wife and kids and faced with this situation its either the officer or the suspect, which one do you think wants to go home to his family at the end of the day. I'd do whatever it takes for me to go home at the end of the day not roll over and let someone stab me.
Well put yourself in the position in the guy that got shot that was someone's father , son , brother ect cops are supposably trained to defuse whatever situation they encounter what I mean to say is that it was a bad call on the cop just to kill the guy so quickly based on the video I did not see no sign of the cop life in danger now if the guy was charging him threting to kill then i would agree with the cop drop the fucker like fiveohchuck posted cops can do pretty much what they want and get away with it or just get a slap on the hand

[ 2014-02-25, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: red5o ]
 
Posted by fredfifty (Member # 10320) on :
 
cop gave him multiple chances to drop the knife...dude refused, and advanced towards the cop. game over.
 
Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fredfifty:
cop gave him multiple chances to drop the knife...dude refused, and advanced towards the cop. game over.
This. He WAS in danger. Had the officer not had his firearm out he would have got stabbed. In no way is it ok the suspect died but he did not comply in a deadly force situation.
 
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by red5o:
quote:
Originally posted by blackfifty:
quote:
Originally posted by red5o:
Man fuck that cop 5 shots was not necessary [Mad]
Put yourself in his position. This officer probably has a wife and kids and faced with this situation its either the officer or the suspect, which one do you think wants to go home to his family at the end of the day. I'd do whatever it takes for me to go home at the end of the day not roll over and let someone stab me.
Well put yourself in the position in the guy that got shot that was someone's father , son , brother ect cops are supposably trained to defuse whatever situation they encounter what I mean to say is that it was a bad call on the cop just to kill the guy so quickly based on the video I did not see no sign of the cop life in danger now if the guy was charging him threting to kill then i would agree with the cop drop the fucker like fiveohchuck posted cops can do pretty much what they want and get away with it or just get a slap on the hand
First I would never be in this position second If an officer has a gun pointed in my face and tells me to drop a knife Ill drop the knife. Police officers are held accountable they need to report absolutely everything they encounter and they're always being recorded whether it be by their dash cam go pro cameras or cell phone cameras. I'm all for equal justice but in this situation I'd do exactly what the cop did.
 
Posted by a302juGRnot (Member # 10163) on :
 
video says its private and won't let me see it.

based on what others have said, why would you walk forward towards a cop with a knife in your hand especially if he's warned you 3 times?
 
Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a302juGRnot:
video says its private and won't let me see it.

based on what others have said, why would you walk forward towards a cop with a knife in your hand especially if he's warned you 3 times?
He just wanted a hug from the officer..
 
Posted by Chilangoworrior00GT (Member # 11344) on :
 


[ 2014-02-25, 03:24 PM: Message edited by: Chilangoworrior00GT ]
 
Posted by Chilangoworrior00GT (Member # 11344) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by FiveOhChuck:
Cops rule everything a cop can fuck your bitch if he wants. He can kill your whole family if he feels threatened. I'm tired of always hearing about people defending cops when they are clearly out of line. It would have been different if he was actually close to assaulting the officer ONE SHOT WILL STOP ANYONE unless you have a gun then yeah kill thatr if he fires shots at you. But one shot center mass would have stopped him
So are u trying to say is that the cop is out of line instead of the guy with the knive in his hand approaching to the officer???

[ 2014-02-25, 03:26 PM: Message edited by: Chilangoworrior00GT ]
 
Posted by i (Member # 12534) on :
 
They took of the video give me another link
 
Posted by Z06-FTMFW (Member # 3164) on :
 
I guess I'm too late, the video was removed!
 
Posted by andyman_2k01 (Member # 1448) on :
 
For all those that judge the cops...why don't you go sign up for your local department and go make a difference, instead of trying to be internet heros.

The majority of the bad stuff cops deal with daily, doesn't even make it to Newspapers or YouTube.
 
Posted by ECOboostin (Member # 4347) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by red5o:
quote:
Originally posted by blackfifty:
quote:
Originally posted by red5o:
Man fuck that cop 5 shots was not necessary [Mad]
Put yourself in his position. This officer probably has a wife and kids and faced with this situation its either the officer or the suspect, which one do you think wants to go home to his family at the end of the day. I'd do whatever it takes for me to go home at the end of the day not roll over and let someone stab me.
Well put yourself in the position in the guy that got shot that was someone's father , son , brother ect cops are supposably trained to defuse whatever situation they encounter what I mean to say is that it was a bad call on the cop just to kill the guy so quickly based on the video I did not see no sign of the cop life in danger now if the guy was charging him threting to kill then i would agree with the cop drop the fucker like fiveohchuck posted cops can do pretty much what they want and get away with it or just get a slap on the hand
If I was in that cops shoes I wound not be thinking about some fucking wackos family. I would be sure as shit going home to mine though. And I'm not defending a cop. I'm saying I would have done the exact same.
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
http://youtu.be/Bk58MLZaNm0
 
Posted by 408LIGHTNING (Member # 7447) on :
 
Cop did ask him hella times dude didn't listen. Your not gonna holster your pistol and then draw a tazer gun if dude is already walking towards you with a knife. And say the cop did all that and didn't get stabbed and tazzed him, it doesn't always take you down http://youtu.be/tDj5hpVsVV0.

Would I take that risk? He'll fucken no!!
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
Take notes kids, don't fight the cop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itPY54C_guM
 
Posted by 5.0_707 (Member # 5893) on :
 
Damn. Tough spot for the cop to be in.... Damned if you do damned if you don't. At the end of the day if I put myself in the cops shoes I'm doing what it takes for me to go home at the end of my shift....
 
Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Arch:
I don't get why one in each knee cap wouldn't have been just as affective. I don't have special training. But it seems that would have stopped him from getting to you with a knife.
Have you ever shot a gun?
 
Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
Watch this video and tell me if you think the cop did the right thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PSE-EBKPls
 
Posted by Chavez66 (Member # 9812) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:
quote:
Originally posted by fstryde3:
Officers are trained to move to the next level of force ie suspect with knife = use gun. Also, I attended a training a few years ago where an instructor came at us with a knife, if you don't already have our gun drawn and are ready to shoot within about a 20 feet radius you get stabbed every single time which equals not going home to your family. In that position you would shoot too.

Also, for those of you saying fuck the cop lol I ask that you stop screaming that you will blast the next person who tries to steal your precious foxbody.
I agree. This isn't an old Western movie. Center mass and keep pulling the trigger until the threat is done (pretty much dead). That's why you don't mess with anyone with a gun especially a trained officer.
Tazers may or may not work. If both prongs don't hook, officer is dead. Using his gun was clearly the right thing to do. The officers job isn't too make it a fair fight and winner takes all.
Thank you soo much, about time someone with some sense.
1.Use higher force then the suspect everytime
2. Give suspect plenty of time to drop the weapon
3. Do not lose your cover, blast his ass if he gets closer. And yes law enforcement shoots to stop the threat, if that means 5 rounds then that's 5 rounds. Im not going to just shoot 1 time and see if its enough, shoot a few then regroup especially if your by yourself.
 
Posted by Chavez66 (Member # 9812) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:
Watch this video and tell me if you think the cop did the right thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PSE-EBKPls
RIP to that young officer, sad every time I see that video. Sad to say but that is an officer who did exactly what all you guys say the other officer should have done, the end result was him getting executed on the side of a lonely road. He should have blasted that mother fucked as soon as he touched that gun. RIP
 
Posted by ECOboostin (Member # 4347) on :
 
How many of you have those coexist bumper stickers?
 
Posted by adower (Member # 5955) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by andyman_2k01:
For all those that judge the cops...why don't you go sign up for your local department and go make a difference, instead of trying to be internet heros.

The majority of the bad stuff cops deal with daily, doesn't even make it to Newspapers or YouTube.
No one forces a cop to be a cop. If they cant take the heat maybe they should find a new line of work.
 
Posted by DLo (Member # 6133) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ECOboostin:
How many of you have those coexist bumper stickers?
I don't have a sticker, but I have a t-shirt.

-
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
http://youtu.be/Pfkrw57VnAU
 
Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :
 
Let's put it this way. Had the suspect NOT had a knife/dropped it...then outcome would have been different. He created the situation......The officer responded and reacted. Good shoot. You can slice it anyway you want but that's what it comes down to.
 
Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:
Watch this video and tell me if you think the cop did the right thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PSE-EBKPls
Fuck no. Tree huggers would cry for a cop to use a taser. I'd give no warning and pull the trigger until he was down.

[ 2014-02-26, 07:32 AM: Message edited by: 66_5.0 ]
 
Posted by NorCalRydaz (Member # 3233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 135.0:
http://youtu.be/Pfkrw57VnAU
Lol
 
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :
 
More fuel for the fire http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/26/justice/oklahoma-arrest-death-video/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

The knife incident is justified in my eyes but not this case.
 
Posted by TrueBlue (Member # 1063) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by red5o:
Man fuck that cop 5 shots was not necessary [Mad]
I think 1 shot would have done the trick. Now if they guy was rushing him I would have laid a few rounds out but that guy was walking up to him slowly.
 
Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ECOboostin:
How many of you have those coexist bumper stickers?
-
 
Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :
 
cops dont clear buildings with tazers at 15 feet to re holster and pull his tazer he would have been stabbed. Comply and you wont get shot. And to "knee cap" him, thats ridiculous best operators in the world arnt making that shot on a moving target. Center mass if that doesnt work head shot. I will say he did fire rather rapidly though, but he got to go home at the end of the day. Clean shoot
 
Posted by MauriSSio (Member # 9943) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by adower:
quote:
Originally posted by andyman_2k01:
For all those that judge the cops...why don't you go sign up for your local department and go make a difference, instead of trying to be internet heros.

The majority of the bad stuff cops deal with daily, doesn't even make it to Newspapers or YouTube.
No one forces a cop to be a cop. If they cant take the heat maybe they should find a new line of work.
same could be said for a criminal or lawbreaker, especially one who threatens an officer.
 




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