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Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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So a lot of people have seen my mustang around town and know my car. This thread isnt just about my car, this thread is also about a small, not so well known turbo manufacturer known as On3performance. Everyones heard of the turbonetics and hellion turbo kits for the sn197, but those both range between $4500 and $5200 for their BASE kits. On3's base kit for the sn197 is $1900 as shown here http://www.on3performance.com/ThreeV.aspx
They also carry kits for from what I can tell every mustang version from 86 FI and up as well as some interesting fox body variants.
The total I spent was just shy of $2900 but I bought a slightly upgraded kit. on top of their base kit, I ordered the upgraded 67mm ball bearing turbo, 42 lb bosch fuel injectors, sct maf, and the fuel rail adapters for the injectors. Now I've had the turbo inspected by one of my instructors at UTI and he said he was impressed on the deal I got and said the turbo would be good for what im looking for.
I'm building my car for auto cross racing but seeing as how its my only means of transportation, I also need to keep it reliable. Even if I had another car, I'd still probably prefer to drive this one just because of what I went through to get it. A few people have raised their eyebrows when I said I'm going for autocross and using a turbo. Everyone asks why dont I just use an SC. Heres my experience with SC's, while yes, boost for boost turbos do make more hp and are easier to alter the boost levels on, the difference isnt enough to persuade me either way. Heres why I chose turbo; 1: I got a brand new, un-used, more complete, forced induction kit for less this way, than ANY supercharger kit, cetrifugal, roots or twin screw that I could find anywhere.
The main reason is because with just bolt on's and a mild custom tune I made using my diablo predator, I made 312 HP. I have PLENTY of natural hp, only thing I could have used a lil help in is the straight away and thats where the whistling wonder comes in.
Now if you were paying attention to the componants I said I have, youll notice 2 major things are missing; the fuel pump and the tune.
Now I started my article about this build on another mustang forum where I was introduced to a company called S&H performance that sells a Welbro fuel pump for sn197's that only costs around $300 but pushes out 342lb/hr! thats more than the GT500 double fuel pump for $700 or any other BAP (boost a pump) options!
Now for the tune issue. My first choice was AED performance because theyre the only company I know of in the local area that specializes in mustangs and has the capability of tuning so I called Sean and Drew. This was met with TOTAL disapointment. Drew straight turned it down without a second thought. Sean refused the oportunity with a statement I recall of, "every turbo mustang I've seen around here blows up." Now I understand the issue of liability but when it comes to tuning cars, unless there is a fatal mistake that can be proven was caused by the tune itself, tuners should hold no accountability for the malfunction. I offered a legally binding document pretty much stating this but this was met by more disapointment. Now obviously this left me with a sour taste in my mouth with those 2. Anyway this left me searching for another option. One of my coworkers at Future Ford of Roseville turned me on to Forced Fed performance. When I called, they not only accepted my offer, they seemed lagitimately enthusiastic about my project and wanting to tune it! Im pretty excited about this and seeing what the results are. The only unfortunate news I got from FFP was that they use SCT tuning... crap now I gotta switch to the dark side... I would love to buy the ITSX but due to the fact I only have $1000 available right now, i cant afford one but hopefully I can manage something. I have pictures up at this link of the car and the kit!
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/2005-2010/276922-2005-mustang-gt-gets-on3performance-turbo.html
Posted by 75 chevy (Member # 6717) on
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a la verga!
Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on
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Two things I wouldn't do, On3 turbo kit and Forced Fed for tuning.
Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on
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Let us know what combo you're going with for your new shortblock.
Posted by fam_lace (Member # 8565) on
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Ha ha damn bro I didn't know u where on here its Lacy from truck brakes lol i wanna see that car on the track in action glw build
Posted by 68gtscode (Member # 8679) on
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Originally posted by Sarge:
I only have $1000 available right now
This just made me laugh out loud... no wonder Drew and Shaun wouldn't touch your car with a 10 foot pole- I wouldn't either!
Posted by fam_lace (Member # 8565) on
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Force fed is a good shop and they are very informative and there coo people too. Me and my buddy went there to get his Camaro tuned and i noticed the mustangs so i started talking to the tuner he really knows his shit
Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on
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Originally posted by 68gtscode:
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Originally posted by Sarge:
I only have $1000 available right now
This just made me laugh out loud... no wonder Drew and Shaun wouldn't touch your car with a 10 foot pole- I wouldn't either!
He states he only has that amount of money left over for tuning... AED doesn't charge $1000 for a tune. Just face the facts, your a groupie and they turn down people. I know countless people that have been turned away or told their set up wouldn't work. Only to go somewhere else and get a tune with no prob.
Posted by 68gtscode (Member # 8679) on
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Originally posted by cali95gt:
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Originally posted by 68gtscode:
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Originally posted by Sarge:
I only have $1000 available right now
This just made me laugh out loud... no wonder Drew and Shaun wouldn't touch your car with a 10 foot pole- I wouldn't either!
He states he only has that amount of money left over for tuning... AED doesn't charge $1000 for a tune. Just face the facts, your a groupie and they turn down people. I know countless people that have been turned away or told their set up wouldn't work. Only to go somewhere else and get a tune with no prob.
So the OP has $1,000 and is trying to build a budget "whistling wonder." He has no problem coming on a public forum to bad mouth a shop before he pays them any money... Imagine what he'll do when he blows up his engine and is faced with an engine build. AED generally operates at capacity, meaning they don't need to take every job that comes through the door. There is something in business called "risk management", and I'd say AED is pretty good at it. If there are lots of other shops out there that can tune this budget build, the OP should take his car there and make a positive post about it- not bad mouth a shop he has never even used before.
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on
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No offense to anybody or their car/setup.
Doesn't come down to 'deep pockets' or $$$ at all.
We are simply VERY picky about the cars/setups we work on and tune. It doesn't mean it can't be done or that we *can't* do it, just means AED won't be doing it for you.
We simply can not handle the shear volume of work that would come if we did work on absolutely everything. As such we pick and choose the jobs we do. Turning away customers is sometimes better than a 3+ month wait for basic work and possibly lower quality work due to being 'over worked'. We are a small shop after all...
We very much appreciate FFP, AOP, TPS, Turbo50, etc for taking the jobs we don't.
In the end we are only one of a handful of NorCal shops dedicated to this 'hobby'. Our goal, like other shops, is not to make $$$, but to do the best job possible. Our goal is not to dominate thru quantity, it's quality we strive for.
Posted by DEVERO2 (Member # 6155) on
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[/qb][/QUOTE]So the OP has $1,000 and is trying to build a budget "whistling wonder." He has no problem coming on a public forum to bad mouth a shop before he pays them any money... Imagine what he'll do when he blows up his engine and is faced with an engine build. AED generally operates at capacity, meaning they don't need to take every job that comes through the door. There is something in business called "risk management", and I'd say AED is pretty good at it. If there are lots of other shops out there that can tune this budget build, the OP should take his car there and make a positive post about it- not bad mouth a shop he has never even used before. [/QB][/QUOTE]
^^^ This. Most can agree that AED does top notch work. They have worked very hard to earn that reputation and with the reputation comes business. Maybe they have an overfull schedule (they usually do) and that car just wont fit into their schedule. Having a successful business is a double edged sword. You want the business and you want to put an amazing finished products out there, but there are not enough hours in the day or spots in the shop to take on everything. I think that the ability to pick and chose projects has made them more respectable because you can guarantee that the product leaving that shop is of the highest quality and function.
Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
We very much appreciate FFP, AOP, TPS, Turbo50, etc for taking the jobs we don't.
So all of their work is from people who first go to you and you turn away ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
Our goal, like other shops, is not to make $$$, but to do the best job possible. Our goal is not to dominate thru quantity, it's quality we strive for.
Sometimes it's hard to find quality work from a shop, I've been to AED and you guys really do care about your customers and their cars. Keep up the good work guys.
I've been to some of the shops around the Dallas area here for tunes and have been like WTF is this? Some shotty work for top dollar and that pisses me off, I feel for the customer and the quality of work they're getting.
[ October 16, 2012, 12:57 PM: Message edited by: Greasy ]
Posted by 97cobra209 (Member # 11376) on
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That sucks for aed and there rep! I thought they specialized in tuning mustangs!
Posted by DEVERO2 (Member # 6155) on
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Originally posted by 97cobra209:
That sucks for aed and there rep! I thought they specialized in tuning mustangs!
There is more to tuning than putting the car on a dyno and hooking it to a computer, Especially since AED did not do the budget build. Too many variables for AED to deal with. He said he has 1000. what if he need something that the on3 kit didnt include and he didnt know he needed? It costs a lot of money to go fast and be reliable like the OP is asking for.
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
We very much appreciate FFP, AOP, TPS, Turbo50, etc for taking the jobs we don't.
So all of their work is from people who first go to you and you turn away
That came out wrong.
Didn't mean to say it that way.
Posted by Y2K 281 (Member # 10132) on
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ON3 Performance is crap!!! Some tuners are set in their ways regarding the types of setups they know work and what setups they prefer not to touch. You can even give Nat at AOP a call and get his opinion on the ON3 kits. They did one not that long ago and they had to do a ton of extra work to get everything to fit and not leak. I have said this before and will say it in the future, Turbo setups are the LAST thing you want to go cheap on. There are much more components you are dealing with that can cause issues. Blowers have seal issues, turbos have seal issues as well, along with oil drain issues, blowing oil, coking when not allowing to idle before shutting off, exhaust leaks causing drop in boost, wastegates leaking if cheap, boost creep from wastegate, etc. You really have to know your shit to set up a proper turbo, it isn't a matter of "oh I found this really cheap turbo kit, lets be a cheap ass and do it this way rather than researching the company". Have a look around...
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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Alright, i didnt know there were people on here who blew bs outta proportion. but ill address that in a moment. I chose the on3 because it was affordable for me, and it offered exactly what i wanted unlike the hellion or turbonetics kits. Heres the shitty thing about most people; they typically dont go on a big scale to say when what they got works right. The mostly utilize things like the internet when stuff doesnt work right so here's how i stand, unless I've seen crappy results from stuff like tc kits or tunes, I'm not really going to doubt people. Now i dont care what you read on the internet, or heard from your buddy, if you weren't there or didn't see it, who are you to even make an opinion about their work? Now if something is brought up like, hey i had this done a while back by so and so and they blew my engine, then ok, id take that into consideration and thank you for the heads up but saying something sucks when you have no experience in this particular matter displays nothing but ignorance.
Now moving onto that 68 hero. Look guy, read carefully what i said before you misinterpret what i said and get all butt hurt guy. I didnt bad mouth AED. I said sean and drew turned me down and i was disappointed. The AED cars ive seen at the track were pretty amazing and I'll never take that away from them, but because of my personal experienc with them, at this time I have no interest utilizing their services at this point in time. I never said, hey everyone, AED sucks because they wouldn't tune my car and don't go there! That would be bad mouthing but hey, way to jump the gun. Anyway ill check this tonight and put in more details actually related to the car. Hopefully that'll be the end of this bs drama.
Posted by adower (Member # 5955) on
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Originally posted by 68gtscode:
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Originally posted by cali95gt:
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Originally posted by 68gtscode:
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Originally posted by Sarge:
I only have $1000 available right now
This just made me laugh out loud... no wonder Drew and Shaun wouldn't touch your car with a 10 foot pole- I wouldn't either!
He states he only has that amount of money left over for tuning... AED doesn't charge $1000 for a tune. Just face the facts, your a groupie and they turn down people. I know countless people that have been turned away or told their set up wouldn't work. Only to go somewhere else and get a tune with no prob.
So the OP has $1,000 and is trying to build a budget "whistling wonder." He has no problem coming on a public forum to bad mouth a shop before he pays them any money... Imagine what he'll do when he blows up his engine and is faced with an engine build. AED generally operates at capacity, meaning they don't need to take every job that comes through the door. There is something in business called "risk management", and I'd say AED is pretty good at it. If there are lots of other shops out there that can tune this budget build, the OP should take his car there and make a positive post about it- not bad mouth a shop he has never even used before.
Where did he bad mouth aed? Did you read his whole post?
Posted by fam_lace (Member # 8565) on
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looks like some people misunderstood him he just wants his car tuned and was disappointed AED turned him down if u called and they turned u down u would be too so everybody dont have to jump in on the post like there is some need to defend AED cause its not RELAX LOL
[ October 16, 2012, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: fam_lace ]
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on
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ON3 sux, first hand experience.
Force fed sux, first hand experience.
I still tell everybody to give AED a shot see if they have time.
And you can't please everybody, first hand experience.
And my leg fuckin hurts! First hand experience.
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on
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^^^ That's a lot of experience!
Posted by fast305s (Member # 11897) on
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Sarge.. I know you from uti. Infact iv dynoed your car before. Not impressive. And I know who you asked, and I know Mr le don't like on3 turbos.
Posted by 5Porn0 (Member # 6001) on
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Originally posted by turbo50:
ON3 sux, first hand experience.
Force fed sux, first hand experience.
I still tell everybody to give AED a shot see if they have time.
And you can't please everybody, first hand experience.
And my leg fuckin hurts! First hand experience.
And because you said so, I believe you! ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
Posted by blkfoxbody89 (Member # 8361) on
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[ October 17, 2012, 12:16 AM: Message edited by: blkfoxbody89 ]
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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@ 93pony:
hey i dont know who you are but I do appreciate that someone from AED looked into this post. When I spoke to drew and sean, the high volume of customers wasnt something that was brought up. All I was told was it was too much of a liability. I DO regognize that yall have a very good reputation on your work itself, I've witnessed a couple of the monsters AED has created at the drag strip. I still dont quite get how this post became focused on trashing aed or ffp or whatever but I do appologize for the misunderstanding. I do sincerely appreciate how you've maintained such a professional approach to this matter though. thanks man
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on
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Originally posted by Sarge:
@ 93pony:
hey i dont know who you are but I do appreciate that someone from AED looked into this post. When I spoke to drew and sean, the high volume of customers wasnt something that was brought up. All I was told was it was too much of a liability. I DO regognize that yall have a very good reputation on your work itself, I've witnessed a couple of the monsters AED has created at the drag strip. I still dont quite get how this post became focused on trashing aed or ffp or whatever but I do appologize for the misunderstanding. I do sincerely appreciate how you've maintained such a professional approach to this matter though. thanks man
93PONY is Shaun, good luck on your build though it should be a fun car.
[ October 16, 2012, 11:14 PM: Message edited by: Greasy ]
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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Originally posted by fast305s:
Sarge.. I know you from uti. Infact iv dynoed your car before. Not impressive. And I know who you asked, and I know Mr le don't like on3 turbos.
So who are you? My car has dyno'd 312 at school, but hey, im sure youve been there all 4 times ive dynod. I told mr lee about my setup and he asked to see the turbo. I showed mr thompson first because a 5xx hp audi tt daily driver seems pretty credable to me. I showed mr lee the turbo and he said he liked what he saw, but hey, im sure you were there for that too. Im not asking you to be impressed... I'm pretty sure I dont even know anyone with a 95 gt. Im saying this is what I'm doing and this is my experience with it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by blkfoxbody89 (Member # 8361) on
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![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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thanks for clearing that up greasy
blkfox, thats been a concern of mine because i know ls motors are pushrod and since i havent really heard anything about them working on a modular, I am slightly worried. thank you for putting in some actual input though. your post was exactly what ive been asking for from people. but let me ask you, do you know anyone else around here that can get this done? im running out of options here and im more and more considering FFP as a last resort now.
Posted by SETONKILL (Member # 7277) on
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Originally posted by Sarge:
thanks for clearing that up greasy
blkfox, thats been a concern of mine because i know ls motors are pushrod and since i havent really heard anything about them working on a modular, I am slightly worried. thank you for putting in some actual input though. your post was exactly what ive been asking for from people. but let me ask you, do you know anyone else around here that can get this done? im running out of options here and im more and more considering FFP as a last resort now.
aop is a very good with mod motors
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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[/QUOTE]aop is a very good with mod motors [/QB][/QUOTE]
no idea who that is or half the other names shaun mentioned earlier. can you give me a name and website or something please?
Posted by *BlownMach1*- TRMYN8R (Member # 5400) on
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This thread is fuckin worthless without pics of said car! And on a side note, AED did turn down my turbo setup also! I like the convienence of having my tuner in town and not trail wring my car super far so I sold that setup and chose to go Whipple so Shaun will be tuning my new setup! And NEVER will my car go back to FFP, they already blew one of my cars up on the dyno! Cost me a motor!! Learne my lesson!
Posted by LETHL 03 (Member # 5401) on
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Talk to nick at mustang ranch. Heard good stuff from their shop.
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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Originally posted by *BlownMach1*- TRMYN8R:
This thread is fuckin worthless without pics of said car! And on a side note, AED did turn down my turbo setup also! I like the convienence of having my tuner in town and not trail wring my car super far so I sold that setup and chose to go Whipple so Shaun will be tuning my new setup! And NEVER will my car go back to FFP, they already blew one of my cars up on the dyno! Cost me a motor!! Learne my lesson!
did you check the link to moddedmustangs that I posted? Please dont answer that, I already know you didnt. Any who you had me up till "i like the convenience of having my tuner in town and..." after that it didnt make much sense to me up to where shaun will be tuning your new setup. let me back up though and remind you TO READ THE THREAD and stick to the topic please. AED was mentioned in the post but they are not the topic. Now your input about FFP blowing your motor, I do appreciate because you're influencing me to look elsewhere BUT I'm still looking where else I can get the tune with. As of right now I'm stuck looking for an SCT tuner so I can unload my car at FFP because I dont know what else is out there.
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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Originally posted by LETHL 03:
Talk to nick at mustang ranch. Heard good stuff from their shop.
dude google mustang ranch...
lmfao
anyway i changed it to mustang ranch ca and it came up with one in santa clara? is this right?
Posted by LETHL 03 (Member # 5401) on
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Yes sir, that's the one
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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Originally posted by LETHL 03:
Yes sir, that's the one
ok, just making sure its NOT the one in nevada...
Posted by SETONKILL (Member # 7277) on
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all out performance in frenso is aop
Posted by 166 Merlot (Member # 1549) on
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I stopped reading half way through...
Hate to cliche but:
Fast/cheap/reliable, Ill just let everyone else figure out the two that work...
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on
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Billy at FFP is a buddy of mine. They are located only a few miles from my house and if Billy needs any Ford tuning help, he's got it.
Posted by *BlownMach1*- TRMYN8R (Member # 5400) on
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Maybe I missed the pics of the car, I only seen turbo kit pics and some stupid photo of a girl! So yes I did look, and never said anything about the AED topic that was dogging u out! Only that I had a simular experience when I was turbo, didn't wanna trailer my car to AOP or RET! The only other tuners in this state that I personally trust! Cameron park is not far from sac buddy! That's still considered the "SACRAMENTO AREA" to me! All I can say is, tuning is 100% the most important part of your build so u need to take it very seriously before u wind up with a toasted motor! Budget all u want but don't budget your tune!
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Originally posted by *BlownMach1*- TRMYN8R:
This thread is fuckin worthless without pics of said car! And on a side note, AED did turn down my turbo setup also! I like the convienence of having my tuner in town and not trail wring my car super far so I sold that setup and chose to go Whipple so Shaun will be tuning my new setup! And NEVER will my car go back to FFP, they already blew one of my cars up on the dyno! Cost me a motor!! Learne my lesson!
did you check the link to moddedmustangs that I posted? Please dont answer that, I already know you didnt. Any who you had me up till "i like the convenience of having my tuner in town and..." after that it didnt make much sense to me up to where shaun will be tuning your new setup. let me back up though and remind you TO READ THE THREAD and stick to the topic please. AED was mentioned in the post but they are not the topic. Now your input about FFP blowing your motor, I do appreciate because you're influencing me to look elsewhere BUT I'm still looking where else I can get the tune with. As of right now I'm stuck looking for an SCT tuner so I can unload my car at FFP because I dont know what else is out there.
Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on
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Originally posted by *BlownMach1*- TRMYN8R:
Budget all u want but don't budget your tune!
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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Blownmach, the pictures still there... You must've missed it. I only posted on of my car on there. Ill post one up on here tonight when i get home
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
Billy at FFP is a buddy of mine. They are located only a few miles from my house and if Billy needs any Ford tuning help, he's got it.
Billy was who tuned both rigs I brought there and he was the best customer service oriented as well.
Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on
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Billy at FFP knows whats he's doing, as does Shawn, and I've heard Nate at AOP is doing well too.
Casey. You had a 10.5:1 Mach 1 on 8-10lbs with a focus pump, and possibly and BAP w/ 42's. absolutely not enough fuel. And bill did not tune your car. Show me a N/A mod motor that has had boost on it for any amount of time that's been driven aggressively that still lives, YOU CAN'T! Boosting those motors is like playing with fire, regardless of the tune, you know that. Stick to the facts!
Sarge. Be prepared to be nickle and dime'd to death by the O3P kit. The turbo itself isn't the problem, it's everything else associated with it. READ READ READ... And listen to people with FIRST HAND experience with it. I have 2 friends with these kits now, and they've been headaches from the get go. It can be done, with the right amount of money lol
Posted by 50DADDY (Member # 3076) on
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Make sure you use an oil restrictor on that Chinese turbo and it might last awhile.
Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on
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And as far as software goes, SCT is the standard for Ford tuning. No one who knows anything about anything is going to tune a turbo'd anything with Diablo lol
Posted by 50DADDY (Member # 3076) on
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Ive got a real turbo for sale too....just sayin.PM if interested. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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Thanks red and daddy. I met billy today when i went to force fed. after talking with him i dont think we'll have any issues with the tune so ffp has my business. If an issue arizes, ill post it here. He gave me some good advice about the wastegate and other components. Looks like were ready to go.
Right now im looking for an sct tuner. Heres my offer, my predator AND steeda cai for a hand held or both plus some cash for a tsx or itsx, preferably the tsx out of all the abov mentioned. If yall can help spread the word about this id appreciate it
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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ok so i just ordered my fuel pump from s&h performance. their a small company out of north carolina. the owner i found out is a electrical engineer in the navy so it was nice meeting another vet. im headed to FFP to go ahead and prepay for my tune then its just a waiting game for that pump!
Posted by Holey87 (Member # 7370) on
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ssssooooooooo why does your car say darkhorse 427 on it when its a stock 3v??
kinda gay
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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Originally posted by Holey87:
ssssooooooooo why does your car say darkhorse 427 on it when its a stock 3v??
kinda gay
soooo definately not stock, nobody asked for your opinion of my car and if you hadnt come off like a douche i would have had no problem sharing the story. if you apologize and aproach me respectfully, id be more than happy to elaborate.
one last thing son. that car was what i bought when i came home from my second deployment. i almost died for the money i earned to buy that car. that being said riddle me this, who are you to judge my ride? thanks for your concern though.
Posted by Cobra 93-4992 (Member # 4992) on
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Sarge can do anything he wants to his car, he volunteered to go half way cross the planet to defend our freedoms.
Posted by Y2K 281 (Member # 10132) on
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Originally posted by Holey87:
ssssooooooooo why does your car say darkhorse 427 on it when its a stock 3v??
kinda gay
Your 3rd post is this? Cool story bro....
[ October 18, 2012, 11:27 PM: Message edited by: Y2K 281 ]
Posted by Cobra 93-4992 (Member # 4992) on
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Originally posted by Y2K 281:
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Originally posted by Holey87:
ssssooooooooo why does your car say darkhorse 427 on it when its a stock 3v??
kinda gay
Your 3rd post is this? Cool story bro....
That's what I was thinking, dudes too new to talk shit so soon.
Posted by Holey87 (Member # 7370) on
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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
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Originally posted by Y2K 281:
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Originally posted by Holey87:
ssssooooooooo why does your car say darkhorse 427 on it when its a stock 3v??
kinda gay
Your 3rd post is this? Cool story bro....
That's what I was thinking, dudes too new to talk shit so soon.
I respect this man now knowing he defends our country.
Sorry sarge sincerly
Please explain?
And not to new my friend ive been watching the steady decline of useful information on this site sice 07
Posted by Holey87 (Member # 7370) on
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I agree kinda harsh. Sincerly apolagize
Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on
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Originally posted by Holey87:
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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
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Originally posted by Y2K 281:
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Originally posted by Holey87:
ssssooooooooo why does your car say darkhorse 427 on it when its a stock 3v??
kinda gay
Your 3rd post is this? Cool story bro....
That's what I was thinking, dudes too new to talk shit so soon.
I respect this man now knowing he defends our country.
Sorry sarge sincerly
Please explain?
And not to new my friend ive been watching the steady decline of useful information on this site sice 07
because of morons coming into threads just as you did above
Posted by Holey87 (Member # 7370) on
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Good point. I will hold my tongue before I start asking shity questions. Ill just read for another 5 years lol
Posted by 86- 50 (Member # 4723) on
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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
Sarge can do anything he wants to his car, he volunteered to go half way cross the planet to defend our freedoms.
+1
Posted by Nifty50 (Member # 9987) on
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Originally posted by Holey87:
Good point. I will hold my tongue before I start asking shity questions. Ill just read for another 5 years lol
yea do yourself that favor, you being a member here for almost six years and your only posts are on this thread talking shit to a respectable member who has served our country shows alot about your character-(cowardice, bitchmade-punkass-internet troll)... Stay the fuck out of here!
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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Originally posted by Holey87:
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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
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Originally posted by Y2K 281:
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Originally posted by Holey87:
ssssooooooooo why does your car say darkhorse 427 on it when its a stock 3v??
kinda gay
Your 3rd post is this? Cool story bro....
That's what I was thinking, dudes too new to talk shit so soon.
I respect this man now knowing he defends our country.
Sorry sarge sincerly
Please explain?
And not to new my friend ive been watching the steady decline of useful information on this site sice 07
ok i really do appreciate you guys backing me up on this but this guy owned up and apologized. i say again, i appreciate the support, but i dont see the need to keep metaphorically curb stomping him.
now as to you, we're good. i founded a mustang team back in fort hood tx when i was stationed there just before i got out of active duty. name we voted for was darkhorse and we agreed that we would post our dynos on our cars. i made 427 hp and 439 tq at 5650 rpm's on the na build i ran. i had to tear it apart when i moved to oregon from texas because i needed reliability more than i needed ground shaking hp. now im here. i decided to go turbo because ive had good experiences with them before. granded that was a custom TT kit made by john urist himself but im hoping to have just as much fun with this different product.
Posted by Boss 327 (Member # 9143) on
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"427 hp and 439 tq at 5650 rpm N/A"
What was the combo?
Posted by Holey87 (Member # 7370) on
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Originally posted by Boss 327:
"427 hp and 439 tq at 5650 rpm N/A"
What was the combo?
Plus 2 on the combo?!
Those are some stout as numbers for an N/A 3v. Iv never even heard of someome trying to get real N/A power out a 281ci. What bottom end?
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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Check the link to the modded mustang forum. They ve been asking too and i posted most of my build up there and i dont feel like posting it again. Please excuse my laziness. I went high compression but the biggest differences came from the cams, ported and polished heads and the custom crank i had made. I dont know the details about that crank like degrees or lift or whatevers tied into that because i havent learned that much about cars yet, but i know it was aloooot lighter than stock.
Posted by Boss 327 (Member # 9143) on
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Originally posted by Sarge:
Check the link to the modded mustang forum. They ve been asking too and i posted most of my build up there and i dont feel like posting it again. Please excuse my laziness. I went high compression but the biggest differences came from the cams, ported and polished heads and the custom crank i had made. I dont know the details about that crank like degrees or lift or whatevers tied into that because i havent learned that much about cars yet, but i know it was aloooot lighter than stock.
What was your CR? What intake manifold did you use? Also, who made the custom crankshaft?
[ October 19, 2012, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: Boss 327 ]
Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on
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What is the Sarge going to do when he has to smog his 05 turbo GT since the 0n 3 turbo kit is not smog legal?
Posted by Cobra 93-4992 (Member # 4992) on
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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
What is the Sarge going to do when he has to smog his 05 turbo GT since the 0n 3 turbo kit is not smog legal?
Smog hookup duh!
Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on
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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
What is the Sarge going to do when he has to smog his 05 turbo GT since the 0n 3 turbo kit is not smog legal?
Has anyone ever read anything good from this guy? God you bug me.
How do you plan on getting your T trim smogged?
Posted by Boss 327 (Member # 9143) on
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Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:
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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
What is the Sarge going to do when he has to smog his 05 turbo GT since the 0n 3 turbo kit is not smog legal?
Has anyone ever read anything good from this guy? God you bug me.
How do you plan on getting your T trim smogged?
Guys an idiot. All his posts are nothing but bullshit.
Posted by Nifty50 (Member # 9987) on
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Originally posted by Boss 327:
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Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:
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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
What is the Sarge going to do when he has to smog his 05 turbo GT since the 0n 3 turbo kit is not smog legal?
Has anyone ever read anything good from this guy? God you bug me.
How do you plan on getting your T trim smogged?
Guys an idiot. All his posts are nothing but bullshit.
I agree, i'd like to slap his face.
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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frpp manifold, and idk what CR means. and sunshine performance was who subleted the work out but i dont remember who did the crank.
Posted by *BlownMach1*- TRMYN8R (Member # 5400) on
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Yes that's true Scott, but at the time I was very in experienced back then and didn't know it needed more fuel. Kinda thought that the tuner would see the car running out of fuel on the dyno?? NO?? Pretty sure every other tuner I ever heard looks at fuel pump duty cycles? But yes billy was not who tuned my car, back then he was just wrenching. Billy is actually a cool guy, have nothing against him! Just stating facts here. Did it happen? Yes, are u gonna blame it on the car or me? That's awesome! The mistake was simple, can only be pointed at one person an that's not billy or me!! You know quite well who is to blame!
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Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:
Billy at FFP knows whats he's doing, as does Shawn, and I've heard Nate at AOP is doing well too.
Casey. You had a 10.5:1 Mach 1 on 8-10lbs with a focus pump, and possibly and BAP w/ 42's. absolutely not enough fuel. And bill did not tune your car. Show me a N/A mod motor that has had boost on it for any amount of time that's been driven aggressively that still lives, YOU CAN'T! Boosting those motors is like playing with fire, regardless of the tune, you know that. Stick to the facts!
Sarge. Be prepared to be nickle and dime'd to death by the O3P kit. The turbo itself isn't the problem, it's everything else associated with it. READ READ READ... And listen to people with FIRST HAND experience with it. I have 2 friends with these kits now, and they've been headaches from the get go. It can be done, with the right amount of money lol
Posted by SETONKILL (Member # 7277) on
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Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:
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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
What is the Sarge going to do when he has to smog his 05 turbo GT since the 0n 3 turbo kit is not smog legal?
Has anyone ever read anything good from this guy? God you bug me.
How do you plan on getting your T trim smogged?
himself that why he has a smog lic
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on
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Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:
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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
What is the Sarge going to do when he has to smog his 05 turbo GT since the 0n 3 turbo kit is not smog legal?
Has anyone ever read anything good from this guy? God you bug me.
How do you plan on getting your T trim smogged?
Dude never has anything constructive to add. EVER.
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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now to address the smog thing, my cars registered in central point oregon where theres no emissions laws. got it covered cobra homie. however if you can only register in an area which requires smog, dont buy this kit... theres no way you could ever make it legal.
Posted by *BlownMach1*- TRMYN8R (Member # 5400) on
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High compression plus boost equals kaboom!! But u never stated your CR(compression ratio) but u did say it was high
Posted by SETONKILL (Member # 7277) on
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Originally posted by *BlownMach1*- TRMYN8R:
High compression plus boost equals kaboom!! But u never stated your CR(compression ratio) but u did say it was high
For noobs like you it does casey
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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10:5:1 brian cowler or cower or something like that. im not running high compression anymore. like i said i reverted back to stock and sold the parts. im just running the stock 9:8:1. we're getting off topic again.
anyway i took apart my wastegate today to inspect the shaft. shaft looked good but i discovered that the diaphragm was pinched, i assume during assembly. infortunately it has a small crack but it doesnt go all the way through. i tried contacting on3 today by calling but couldnt get in contact that way so i emailed them through ebay and am waiting for a responce...
on another not my fuel pump is officially underway as of today courtacy of S&H performance.
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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So i emailed mustang and fast ford magazine. I want to turn this into an actual article and get it published. We'll see what they say
Posted by *Als50* (Member # 6003) on
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Anyone who has served in combat should be given the right to be smog exempt. " Cobraracer46" Go suck JerryBrownsAsshole. ![[Whoo Whooooo!]](graemlins/woowoo.gif)
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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Originally posted by *Als50*:
Anyone who has served in combat should be given the right to be smog exempt. " Cobraracer46" Go suck JerryBrownsAsshole.
Shit, then everyone would be trying to get in lmao
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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ok so i posted pics of the f'd up wastegate diaphragm riiiiight here vvvvvv
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/2005-2010/276922-2005-mustang-gt-gets-on3performance-turbo-2.html
Posted by Boss 327 (Member # 9143) on
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Damn that sucks. Hopefully ON3 will replace it.
Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on
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The On3 failure begins
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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so at least the day ended with some good news! ive been talking a lot to s&h performance (the guys i ordered my fuel pump through) and they actually have a diaphragm for me and theyre trading it out for me! these guys freakin rock!!! also, i ordered my fuel pump last thursday, got shipped friday, I ALREADY HAVE IT! i emphasize, THESE GUYS FREAKIN ROCK!!!
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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So here's the update. On the first im buying the tuner. Im still trying to locate somewhere i can do the install but that may be me going out of town then towing back. I was going to do the install this weekend but plans fell through because of the rain and i ran out of money to buy those last minute parts you always find yourself needing. Postponed until further notice
Posted by Nifty50 (Member # 9987) on
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Patience is a virtue.
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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Ok so after a couple set backs and almost loosing the project all together we're finally back on track. I've made a couple changes to the setup that cost a bit more money but heres the progress so far. Bought a mitsimoto (or however you spell it) radiator and the 14" thin fan is in the mail from AM. Also installed the fuel pump from S&H performance. Finally did the tuner swap and im now running the sct itsx with bama tuning from AM. I cannot stress this enough but that deal they offer is by far the best money ive ever spent on that car. Also i bought the 07-10 coolant setup which ran me round $250 with my employee discount through my dealership and im going to install it when i get the fan. Also im going to do away with the knockoff wastegate and bov and install a tial 38mm wastegate and tial 50mm bov and also upgrade the coils to the msd blaster packs as well as some spark plugs thatll run one heat range cooler. After that its install and tune time.
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on
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why not buy the software and tune it yourself
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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Theres a bigger picture in the future im working towards using my car as a ginnea pig and force fed being a part of. Its a loooong ways off but if i keep busting my ass everday and stick with my plan, one day ill be getting paid to do what i love. If i bought scts mapping program itd be pointless seeing as how id use it to tune my car 1 time then never use it again plus to be completely honest, i dont know how to use it and am nowhere near as experienced as billy is to make a good tune.
Posted by 9D Black Magic (Member # 4664) on
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TPS Motorsports does the tuning i know someone with a turbo in her coupe and they tuned her car. If you take it there talk to jason he is a friend of mine and he is the general manager.
Posted by 90GT510 (Member # 9199) on
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
Our goal, like other shops, is not to make $$$, but to do the best job possible. Our goal is not to dominate thru quantity, it's quality we strive for.
Sometimes it's hard to find quality work from a shop, I've been to AED and you guys really do care about your customers and their cars. Keep up the good work guys.
I've been to some of the shops around the Dallas area here for tunes and have been like WTF is this? Some shotty work for top dollar and that pisses me off, I feel for the customer and the quality of work they're getting.
+1 dfw shops are pretty shitty. I usually work on my own cars (can't do gears so I'm forced to go to a shop). If I need a tune or major work I might try lethal performance or just take a trip to ca if possible. Haven't been all year.
Back on topic tho I have an 07 gt and wouldn't want to cheap out on something (ESP. Boost) and have to fix it after it fucks up already learned my lesson I'm lucky I'm just out a few hundred and not thousands. Reliable and fast are my priorities respectively. Just my 2 cents.
[ 2013-05-04, 04:42 AM: Message edited by: 90GT510 ]
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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9D where are they?
Posted by Sarge (Member # 11562) on
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90gt yeah i agree to a point. If i was just looking to get it done i woulda just bought a centyfigual sc and gotten it over with. While yes they do work, ive had bad experiences with them in the past. Im taking my time and making sure i do things as close to right as possible for this build
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