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Smoked50
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I'm thinking about getting around a 3k stall for my car, are there any disadvantages to getting one?
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NEIGHT
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Takes fun away, keep it shifting son. ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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BTLD GT
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i have a 2800 stall in my vette and i would say that its one of the best mods i have done.
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Smoked50
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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
Takes fun away, keep it shifting son.
I prefer eating a burger or drinking some soda while blowing doors off 5 speed/6 speed cars ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Smoked50
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Originally posted by BTLD GT:
i have a 2800 stall in my vette and i would say that its one of the best mods i have done.
Daniel
Is it a track only car or street car to? Any disadvantages you noticed on the street?
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CornOil_&_Boost
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Originally posted by Smoked50:
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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
Takes fun away, keep it shifting son.
I prefer eating a burger or drinking some soda while blowing doors off 5 speed/6 speed cars
dont worry...guys with slow cars will always say sticks > autos...until they come across a fast one
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i have a 2500 stall, 2 to 3 is pretty quick, and 3 holds for hella long til i put her in OD...im not hip to the mechanics behind a stall, but its better than how it was stock...oh, shift kit helps me out too....and then theres the 4.10's killin it on the freeway... ![[Whoo Whooooo!]](graemlins/woowoo.gif)
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nitrous_bob
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theres no disadvantages at all
make sure you go 3k minimum
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LXjames
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Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
theres no disadvantages at all
make sure you go 3k minimum
That is not an educated statement!! Do
You know what a 3k minimum stall would be like for someone on the street? Matter of fact do you know what a torque converter even does?
It has "blades" inside that direct the ATF fluid in certain ways that either increases or decrease the amount of torque needed to spin the tires. If he puts...let's say a 3200 stall he will be at a light pulling away revving up to just about 3200 if not more just to get moving.
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NEIGHT
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Originally posted by CornOil_&_Boost:
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Originally posted by Smoked50:
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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
Takes fun away, keep it shifting son.
I prefer eating a burger or drinking some soda while blowing doors off 5 speed/6 speed cars
dont worry...guys with slow cars will always say sticks > autos...until they come across a fast one
Hey watch it lil man, even if I pushed hella HP I still would stay manual transmission best shit ever.
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if you are using one that is in a street driving application with no lock up. you will be slipping a lot and creating a shit ton of heat which= the trans going bye bye. if you are street driving and you can get one thats a lock up style converter it will atleast help you from flashing and cooking it on the freeway
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Smoked50
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Originally posted by LXjames:
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Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
theres no disadvantages at all
make sure you go 3k minimum
That is not an educated statement!! Do
You know what a 3k minimum stall would be like for someone on the street? Matter of fact do you know what a torque converter even does?
It has "blades" inside that direct the ATF fluid in certain ways that either increases or decrease the amount of torque needed to spin the tires. If he puts...let's say a 3200 stall he will be at a light pulling away revving up to just about 3200 if not more just to get moving.
This is what I was concerned about. Can anybody confirm if there's any truth to this?
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fordologist
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Originally posted by Smoked50:
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Originally posted by LXjames:
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Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
theres no disadvantages at all
make sure you go 3k minimum
That is not an educated statement!! Do
You know what a 3k minimum stall would be like for someone on the street? Matter of fact do you know what a torque converter even does?
It has "blades" inside that direct the ATF fluid in certain ways that either increases or decrease the amount of torque needed to spin the tires. If he puts...let's say a 3200 stall he will be at a light pulling away revving up to just about 3200 if not more just to get moving.
This is what I was concerned about. Can anybody confirm if there's any truth to this?
its true to some extent. the car will move before the stall speed BUT will have a slipping effect. the problem with stall converters is the specs given in all these online speed shop places are just kind of a general rating. your stall speed will depend on size of rear tire, gearing etc. also you need to differentiate the difference between "flash" and stall speed.
I have had friends with 3 grand converters on the street and they are fun but if you do lots of street driving you will wear your trans out prematurely how fast, who knows there is a lot of variables in it.
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I do realize and agree your going to be faster with an A/T ,BUT I personally like sticks because of the "any stall converter" and they do rob less power.
What do you do with the car? is it an AOD? c4? need to give some info if your looking for a quality answer, well.... its CA fords who knows if a quality answer exsist?
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Camara90
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Originally posted by LXjames:
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Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
theres no disadvantages at all
make sure you go 3k minimum
That is not an educated statement!! Do
You know what a 3k minimum stall would be like for someone on the street? Matter of fact do you know what a torque converter even does?
It has "blades" inside that direct the ATF fluid in certain ways that either increases or decrease the amount of torque needed to spin the tires. If he puts...let's say a 3200 stall he will be at a light pulling away revving up to just about 3200 if not more just to get moving.
You are wrong about the part were you have to rev to 3200 to pull away. If you want I could video me driving my car with a 4500 stall, most would never even know what size it was. Drives just fine on the street.
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AR_Stang
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Originally posted by Camara90:
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Originally posted by LXjames:
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Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
theres no disadvantages at all
make sure you go 3k minimum
That is not an educated statement!! Do
You know what a 3k minimum stall would be like for someone on the street? Matter of fact do you know what a torque converter even does?
It has "blades" inside that direct the ATF fluid in certain ways that either increases or decrease the amount of torque needed to spin the tires. If he puts...let's say a 3200 stall he will be at a light pulling away revving up to just about 3200 if not more just to get moving.
You are wrong about the part were you have to rev to 3200 to pull away. If you want I could video me driving my car with a 4500 stall, most would never even know what size it was. Drives just fine on the street.
+1. I have a 3500 stall and I don't have to rev it anywhere near 3500 to get it moving.
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Smoked50
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Originally posted by Camara90:
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Originally posted by LXjames:
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Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
theres no disadvantages at all
make sure you go 3k minimum
That is not an educated statement!! Do
You know what a 3k minimum stall would be like for someone on the street? Matter of fact do you know what a torque converter even does?
It has "blades" inside that direct the ATF fluid in certain ways that either increases or decrease the amount of torque needed to spin the tires. If he puts...let's say a 3200 stall he will be at a light pulling away revving up to just about 3200 if not more just to get moving.
You are wrong about the part were you have to rev to 3200 to pull away. If you want I could video me driving my car with a 4500 stall, most would never even know what size it was. Drives just fine on the street.
This is what I've been waiting for lol can you post up a video of leaving at idle? I wanna see how high it revs up before it actually gets moving, or is it all the same? I don't want it to rev up that much higher then what it does now, I don't wanna lose any more than the 12 mpg I get now ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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I live my life a quarter mile at a time. For those 25 seconds or less, I'm free.
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racsirx
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Originally posted by AR_Stang:
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Originally posted by Camara90:
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Originally posted by LXjames:
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Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
theres no disadvantages at all
make sure you go 3k minimum
That is not an educated statement!! Do
You know what a 3k minimum stall would be like for someone on the street? Matter of fact do you know what a torque converter even does?
It has "blades" inside that direct the ATF fluid in certain ways that either increases or decrease the amount of torque needed to spin the tires. If he puts...let's say a 3200 stall he will be at a light pulling away revving up to just about 3200 if not more just to get moving.
You are wrong about the part were you have to rev to 3200 to pull away. If you want I could video me driving my car with a 4500 stall, most would never even know what size it was. Drives just fine on the street.
+1. I have a 3500 stall and I don't have to rev it anywhere near 3500 to get it moving.
+2, I had a 4500 stall and drove like a stock car, I admit I don't know much about converters, but it wasn't cheap at $1K but it worked good for me.
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I've driven a few cars with stalls in them and they drive fine... Stall converters are definitely 1 of those parts that you don't want to cheap out on...
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Smoked50
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Ok now that I know a little more about them and that they'll be fine on the street, what brands are good? I don't wanna have to keep replacing it.
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I live my life a quarter mile at a time. For those 25 seconds or less, I'm free.
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racsirx
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http://www.ultimateconverter.com/
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Stall in my car was close to 4k, daily drove it no problems. No such thing as lag anymore... Be warned OD is not meant to be used under high loads.
[ August 16, 2012, 03:14 AM: Message edited by: gray03gt ]
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LXjames
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Originally posted by racsirx:
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Originally posted by AR_Stang:
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Originally posted by Camara90:
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Originally posted by LXjames:
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Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
theres no disadvantages at all
make sure you go 3k minimum
That is not an educated statement!! Do
You know what a 3k minimum stall would be like for someone on the street? Matter of fact do you know what a torque converter even does?
It has "blades" inside that direct the ATF fluid in certain ways that either increases or decrease the amount of torque needed to spin the tires. If he puts...let's say a 3200 stall he will be at a light pulling away revving up to just about 3200 if not more just to get moving.
You are wrong about the part were you have to rev to 3200 to pull away. If you want I could video me driving my car with a 4500 stall, most would never even know what size it was. Drives just fine on the street.
+1. I have a 3500 stall and I don't have to rev it anywhere near 3500 to get it moving.
+2, I had a 4500 stall and drove like a stock car, I admit I don't know much about converters, but it wasn't cheap at $1K but it worked good for me.
Ok yes you don't have to rev to 3200 to get moving but I'm implying that your revs will increase for take off. Sorry for making it seem like you have to floor it to get moving but I'm saying his street drive ability would decrease in some manor. Some people can look past it some can't. It's like having low/high clutch pedal engagement you can either deal with it and say its no problem or hate it
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John91coupe
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Having a 3000 stall on the street is no big deal. The car will start moving from a stop as soon a you step on the pedal. High stall converters produce more heat then low stalls because the converter and clutches are running at different speeds until you reach the stall speed. Put a good trans cooler on it and forget about it. I used to drive all over the place with mine without any problems with a 5500 stall and never saw over 180 deg on the trans temp. That included stop and go traffic, freeway and SF hills.
[ August 16, 2012, 10:37 AM: Message edited by: John91coupe ]
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fordologist
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As far as Brands go I have had good luck with continental Converters out of socal. the nice thing with a custom converter builder is lets say you order a 3k converter and you want it a little more loose(higher then 3k) or want it a little tighter(less then 3k) you can send it back and for a few bucks they can do that rather then you having to sell yours and buy another etc. this is a real good service if you have a lock up converter because buying and selling can get very expensive.
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