Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
i would look into a trans am ws6 instead they just look alot better
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quote:I'll be sure to keep note of that, there is several reasons why I have been considering a 4th gen Camaro and the main reasons are simply that they are more equipped from the factory with more performance oriented parts in comparison to the mustangs of the same time period.
Originally posted by 04 S281:
Well... a few things about them to note; they come with a SLA double A-arm front suspension and the rear has a torque arm/panhard rod setup... stock
considering the shortcomings of the MacPherson front and 4-link SRA rear in the Mustang usually lead to owners switching to a torque arm/panhard setup at some point... it's nice to have that technology stock.
quote:
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
They are fast stock, trap around 102 to 107+ with bolt ons.
There is no room for a passenger, or anything in the trunk. They dont handle near as good as you might think.
Things that break, everything is aluminum. Mine overheated once, was never the same ever again.
Driveshafts snap, torque arms tear at bolt holes, rearend weaker then a paper clip.
The 6spd is like heaven, you wont miss five speeds ever again. The trans 2nd gear synchros are similar to the t5, easy to break.
I got 30mpg consistently, and around 20 around town.
And all it takes is a cam to hit 400whp. Less then $1500 to gain 50whp.
They are heavy and you will notice it, but at end of the day a cars a car. Keep the fox, a properly setup fox is cheaper and faster every time.
quote:Lol, I hear ya. I personally like the six speeds also.
Originally posted by Platinum Detail:
If you cant beat'em , join'em
I did, I love the six speed too
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quote:+1
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
i would look into a trans am ws6 instead they just look alot better
quote:+1
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
i would look into a trans am ws6 instead they just look alot better
quote:Well said, also first thing I would recommend is getting yourself to the track for practice or suspension. It should not take H/C/I and an S/C to beat an LS1 (Depending on mods)
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
They are fast stock, trap around 102 to 107+ with bolt ons.
There is no room for a passenger, or anything in the trunk. They dont handle near as good as you might think.
Things that break, everything is aluminum. Mine overheated once, was never the same ever again.
Driveshafts snap, torque arms tear at bolt holes, rearend weaker then a paper clip.
The 6spd is like heaven, you wont miss five speeds ever again. The trans 2nd gear synchros are similar to the t5, easy to break.
I got 30mpg consistently, and around 20 around town.
And all it takes is a cam to hit 400whp. Less then $1500 to gain 50whp.
They are heavy and you will notice it, but at end of the day a cars a car. Keep the fox, a properly setup fox is cheaper and faster every time.
quote:You must be doing something wrong if it took a hci and a charger cause sic9250 and warhorse used to kill ss camaros and ws6's with bolt ons and they only had hci setups so id say back to the lab for you...
Originally posted by RONIN:
Okay.., So I've been in the Mustang game a good while now, over 8 years and I have had them from mild to wild., I've had over 15 different foxbodies in various configurations, several SN's 5.0's/4.6's and also a very missed 2003 Cobra. All in all they are great but for the time and effort that goes into making them what I consider decent it takes alot of time and alot of money.., except for the termi's they come decently powered from the factory. Even with my supercharged foxbodies I felt that there was more to be desired. Being that it took an H/C/I and an S/C in my 5.0 just to be able to put the smokes on an LS1 Camaro. That being said for the kind of factory power that I am looking for ,,,, the only option in the mustang scene would be another 03/04 Cobra, the only thing is..., is that I am not looking to spend 15-20k for another one. So that's where I'm at , I have been considering the 4th gen Camaro because you can get 400+HP out of them with mere bolt-ons and all for less than 10k. there's a decommissioned 2002 CHP Camaro that I have been looking at for a good price and just want to hear what the other people on here who own LS cars have to say and what you guys think in comparison to mustangs.
Alright thanks.
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Edit: +1 on heading back to the lab cause thats just sad" Good luck with your search playa. ![[burnout]](graemlins/burnout.gif)
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back to the lab bud quote:+100
Originally posted by ISP89LX:
I've always been into stangs but will for sure own a ls1 in this lifetime. Got a few buddys with ls1's and i cant hate on them they deff got a nice power plant and are real easy to make power with them and still be reliable. I'm more of a fan of the ws6's so if you decide to get the camaro i am sure you wont regret it they are fun cars. I love any car that make's power.
quote:For sure Dooo, I like the ws6's too theyre just out my price range.
Originally posted by ISP89LX:
I've always been into stangs but will for sure own a ls1 in this lifetime. Got a few buddys with ls1's and i cant hate on them they deff got a nice power plant and are real easy to make power with them and still be reliable. I'm more of a fan of the ws6's so if you decide to get the camaro i am sure you wont regret it they are fun cars. I love any car that make's power.
quote:+1000000
Originally posted by SIC9250:
Good ole Fbody ass whoopin days
Justin remembers lol warhorse and I used to own bolt-on non cammed fbodys at the fri/sat night races in stockton...iron heads/e cam/and a pro-prod. Intake with a factory h pipe
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quote:
Originally posted by cali95gt:
He only LS1 I'd ever own is a WS6 or a C5... Cameros are just fugly!!! I've been considering picking up a 6-speed C5 for around 10k and H/C/I it putting most to shame... Plus the HUD on the windshield is DOPE
quote:Yup, them cars are just ugly.. WS6's are alot nicer looking
Originally posted by cali95gt:
He only LS1 I'd ever own is a WS6 or a C5... Cameros are just fugly!!! I've been considering picking up a 6-speed C5 for around 10k and H/C/I it putting most to shame... Plus the HUD on the windshield is DOPE
quote:+1 drivetrain whole different story lol
Originally posted by 18x10roushes:
Ls1 motors the shit solid
quote:its funny when people say do the same mods to a ls1 or mustang and ls1 handsdown. Ls1 stock is way better than a mustang stock, but when you start modding them, mustangs take way better to mods than ls1, go to the track and tell me how many 12 second ls1's you see, and then walk up to all the 13 second ls1's out there and see all the work they have into there motor and there only running 13 or low 12's and then get back at us.
Originally posted by RONIN:
Whoa Whoa now, don't get ahead of yourself fellas. I have had plenty of seat time, not at the track but on the streets for sure. The foxes I am speaking of had good suspension and great weight transfer. I said it took an H/C/I and s/c to "put the smokes on ls1 Camaro's" I'm talking bus lengths . I would still get some good runs in with only the H/C/I setup versus stock Ls1's but the ls1's with boltons and sticky tires were still faster. With the my s/c setup I was serving them left and right. But still for the amount of work to make a fox faster than an ls1 camaro is alot and not to say if you do the same mods to an ls1 the fox would look pathetic. Plain and simple ls1's have a better engine design and can maximze power better.
quote:Are you kidding me ?.. All it takes is a Longtube'd Fbody and someone who knows how to drive. Shit, ive seen non longtube fbodys doing high 12s. I trapped 113 in my old longtube only ws6. Ls1's handle bolt ons WAY more than a mustang
Originally posted by 86- 50:
quote:its funny when people say do the same mods to a ls1 or mustang and ls1 handsdown. Ls1 stock is way better than a mustang stock, but when you start modding them, mustangs take way better to mods than ls1, go to the track and tell me how many 12 second ls1's you see, and then walk up to all the 13 second ls1's out there and see all the work they have into there motor and there only running 13 or low 12's and then get back at us.
Originally posted by RONIN:
Whoa Whoa now, don't get ahead of yourself fellas. I have had plenty of seat time, not at the track but on the streets for sure. The foxes I am speaking of had good suspension and great weight transfer. I said it took an H/C/I and s/c to "put the smokes on ls1 Camaro's" I'm talking bus lengths . I would still get some good runs in with only the H/C/I setup versus stock Ls1's but the ls1's with boltons and sticky tires were still faster. With the my s/c setup I was serving them left and right. But still for the amount of work to make a fox faster than an ls1 camaro is alot and not to say if you do the same mods to an ls1 the fox would look pathetic. Plain and simple ls1's have a better engine design and can maximze power better.
quote:
Originally posted by Vndcatr:
quote:Are you kidding me ?.. All it takes is a Longtube'd Fbody and someone who knows how to drive. Shit, ive seen non longtube fbodys doing high 12s. I trapped 113 in my old longtube only ws6. Ls1's handle bolt ons WAY more than a mustang
Originally posted by 86- 50:
quote:its funny when people say do the same mods to a ls1 or mustang and ls1 handsdown. Ls1 stock is way better than a mustang stock, but when you start modding them, mustangs take way better to mods than ls1, go to the track and tell me how many 12 second ls1's you see, and then walk up to all the 13 second ls1's out there and see all the work they have into there motor and there only running 13 or low 12's and then get back at us.
Originally posted by RONIN:
Whoa Whoa now, don't get ahead of yourself fellas. I have had plenty of seat time, not at the track but on the streets for sure. The foxes I am speaking of had good suspension and great weight transfer. I said it took an H/C/I and s/c to "put the smokes on ls1 Camaro's" I'm talking bus lengths . I would still get some good runs in with only the H/C/I setup versus stock Ls1's but the ls1's with boltons and sticky tires were still faster. With the my s/c setup I was serving them left and right. But still for the amount of work to make a fox faster than an ls1 camaro is alot and not to say if you do the same mods to an ls1 the fox would look pathetic. Plain and simple ls1's have a better engine design and can maximze power better.
I love mustangs but thats a dumb statement. If Fbodys had a decent rearend it would be game over. I had a cam longtube ws6(411rwhp) that just slayed mustangs and even hung door to door with ported blower cobras.
With a properly setup mustang and a driver who can DRIVE his car, a bolt on ls1 is a healthy race. But dont take credit away from an fbody because they run hard too
quote:Thanks tony
Originally posted by 18x10roushes:
Very true ^^^. Nice pic of whip
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quote:Yea but its .7 liter difference but seen h/c/I supercharged 5.0s get taken by cam ls1s
Originally posted by NEIGHT:
What size are motors are LS1's?
How much newer are LS1's compared to a fox 302?
quote:mine cracked the 500rwhp mark with no nitrous and still has A/C....
Originally posted by 65mustang408:
Haha the never ending debate! If i swapped a bolt on ls1/ls6 in a fox it would walk all bolt for bolt ford powered fox bodys. How many 347 strokers are even cracking the 400rwhp mark ?
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quote:+1000 well said Vndcatr Mach1
Originally posted by Vndcatr:
quote:Are you kidding me ?.. All it takes is a Longtube'd Fbody and someone who knows how to drive. Shit, ive seen non longtube fbodys doing high 12s. I trapped 113 in my old longtube only ws6. Ls1's handle bolt ons WAY more than a mustang
Originally posted by 86- 50:
quote:its funny when people say do the same mods to a ls1 or mustang and ls1 handsdown. Ls1 stock is way better than a mustang stock, but when you start modding them, mustangs take way better to mods than ls1, go to the track and tell me how many 12 second ls1's you see, and then walk up to all the 13 second ls1's out there and see all the work they have into there motor and there only running 13 or low 12's and then get back at us.
Originally posted by RONIN:
Whoa Whoa now, don't get ahead of yourself fellas. I have had plenty of seat time, not at the track but on the streets for sure. The foxes I am speaking of had good suspension and great weight transfer. I said it took an H/C/I and s/c to "put the smokes on ls1 Camaro's" I'm talking bus lengths . I would still get some good runs in with only the H/C/I setup versus stock Ls1's but the ls1's with boltons and sticky tires were still faster. With the my s/c setup I was serving them left and right. But still for the amount of work to make a fox faster than an ls1 camaro is alot and not to say if you do the same mods to an ls1 the fox would look pathetic. Plain and simple ls1's have a better engine design and can maximze power better.
I love mustangs but thats a dumb statement. If Fbodys had a decent rearend it would be game over. I had a cam longtube ws6(411rwhp) that just slayed mustangs and even hung door to door with ported blower cobras.
With a properly setup mustang and a driver who can DRIVE his car, a bolt on ls1 is a healthy race. But dont take credit away from an fbody because they run hard too
quote:My exact point, for a n/a mustang to see that kind of power it would basically have to have a whole different engine setup...ie stroker kit and much more
Originally posted by 65mustang408:
500rwhp n/a? Congrats if so! There are many stock bottom end ls6 motors making 500rwhp with ported oem heads aftermarket cam and intake.
quote:I'm not arguing that there not easy to get 400 horsepower out of them, but that don't translate to well on the track or the streets. i had 330 horsepower in my mustang and never came close to losing to a cam\longtube ls1, DYNO numbers don't win races. Like i said, just go to the track and see in REAL LIFE how many fast ls1 camaro's are out there, and then if you find one ask him what he has done to it, you'll be surprised. Don't get me wrong camaro's are nice cars, I had one before and plan on getting another one and just enjoying it stock, but as in modding cars, i'll stick to mustangs
Originally posted by RONIN:
Good lookin bro, I'm glad someone on here that actually knows there shit spoke up. The amount of LS equipped F-bodies that I've encountered make 400hp easy as you stated and take way better to boltons than the 5.0's. There's no doubt that a bolt on 4th gen will hang if not beat a stock 03/04 Cobra, I've seen it countless times.
quote:
Originally posted by Vndcatr:
quote:Are you kidding me ?.. All it takes is a Longtube'd Fbody and someone who knows how to drive. Shit, ive seen non longtube fbodys doing high 12s. I trapped 113 in my old longtube only ws6. Ls1's handle bolt ons WAY more than a mustang
Originally posted by 86- 50:
quote:its funny when people say do the same mods to a ls1 or mustang and ls1 handsdown. Ls1 stock is way better than a mustang stock, but when you start modding them, mustangs take way better to mods than ls1, go to the track and tell me how many 12 second ls1's you see, and then walk up to all the 13 second ls1's out there and see all the work they have into there motor and there only running 13 or low 12's and then get back at us.
Originally posted by RONIN:
Whoa Whoa now, don't get ahead of yourself fellas. I have had plenty of seat time, not at the track but on the streets for sure. The foxes I am speaking of had good suspension and great weight transfer. I said it took an H/C/I and s/c to "put the smokes on ls1 Camaro's" I'm talking bus lengths . I would still get some good runs in with only the H/C/I setup versus stock Ls1's but the ls1's with boltons and sticky tires were still faster. With the my s/c setup I was serving them left and right. But still for the amount of work to make a fox faster than an ls1 camaro is alot and not to say if you do the same mods to an ls1 the fox would look pathetic. Plain and simple ls1's have a better engine design and can maximze power better.
I love mustangs but thats a dumb statement. If Fbodys had a decent rearend it would be game over. I had a cam longtube ws6(411rwhp) that just slayed mustangs and even hung door to door with ported blower cobras.
With a properly setup mustang and a driver who can DRIVE his car, a bolt on ls1 is a healthy race. But dont take credit away from an fbody because they run hard too
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quote:Yea but its .7 liter difference but seen h/c/I supercharged 5.0s get taken by cam ls1s
Originally posted by NEIGHT:
What size are motors are LS1's?
How much newer are LS1's compared to a fox 302?
quote:I never said it was n/a! Lol
Originally posted by 65mustang408:
500rwhp n/a? Congrats if so! There are many stock bottom end ls6 motors making 500rwhp with ported oem heads aftermarket cam and intake.
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quote:They cant drive and are probably gt40 heads and e cam.
Originally posted by arodeast408:
quote:Yea but its .7 liter difference but seen h/c/I supercharged 5.0s get taken by cam ls1s
Originally posted by NEIGHT:
What size are motors are LS1's?
How much newer are LS1's compared to a fox 302?
quote:I can do all 8 in less then an 2 hours while bullshitting with my friends. You just need to lay over the front of the car and you can reach #8.
Originally posted by Vallejo707:
my bro has one, it's a pain to work in the engine. ex: changing spark plugs if you have big hands it sucks. too me like 2 hours couldn't get the last spark plug in
quote:I remmbr first time i.did them, took around two hours. After longtubes shaved off about half hour. With a swive anything possible.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
quote:I can do all 8 in less then an 2 hours while bullshitting with my friends. You just need to lay over the front of the car and you can reach #8.
Originally posted by Vallejo707:
my bro has one, it's a pain to work in the engine. ex: changing spark plugs if you have big hands it sucks. too me like 2 hours couldn't get the last spark plug in
quote:I love the powerband those LS engines have
Originally posted by svfreerider87:
camaro=slighlty more refined ride, with a completely different powerband.
quote:Believe it or not but I don't use a swivel. I use a bunch of different extentions, I could probably do them in under an hour if my friends weren't around lol.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:I remmbr first time i.did them, took around two hours. After longtubes shaved off about half hour. With a swive anything possible.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
quote:I can do all 8 in less then an 2 hours while bullshitting with my friends. You just need to lay over the front of the car and you can reach #8.
Originally posted by Vallejo707:
my bro has one, it's a pain to work in the engine. ex: changing spark plugs if you have big hands it sucks. too me like 2 hours couldn't get the last spark plug in
quote:The Truest/Unbiased statement that I've heard yet.
Originally posted by Robb:
Best bang for the buck goes to 98-02 fbodies. It took ford all the way to 2011 to beat the power of it stock. I'll definitely get another fbody.
quote:Not talking shit but it might be the owner/mechanic. Just like most things they last if you take care of them.
Originally posted by 510cpskid:
My cousin owns a ws6 that thing breaks every other week.
quote:First time I've ever heard of an ls1 being unreliable.
Originally posted by 510cpskid:
My cousin owns a ws6 that thing breaks every other week.
quote:ls=yates
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
SBFs are just old technology, sbf debuted in the 1950s? Ls engines came out in 97, and they were designed with newer with more then just trial and error.
quote:jessica's bird?
Originally posted by 510cpskid:
not her first bird that was a problem either
quote:wasnt that angels bird? he drove it alot. ALways wondered why the plate said ws6chick LOL
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
quote:jessica's bird?
Originally posted by 510cpskid:
not her first bird that was a problem either
quote:I think it's only exhaust. Raced when I had mine still lol.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
Seen that car at 7th, I wanted to race her lol
quote:stock 2v trapping at 111??? theres just no way. gotta have something in there...
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
only on nitrous n a few bolt ons n tires breaking 10's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X5EDspJ8kE&sns=fb
2V new edge all stock motor into 12'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzv0EhVLX74
edit this is the video i was looking for
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e96ZAAY-hVs
like 86-50 said rwhp doesnt mean anything if you cant get good times at the track
quote:Lmao! Angel calls himself ws6chick LoL! J/K
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:wasnt that angels bird? he drove it alot. ALways wondered why the plate said ws6chick LOL
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
quote:jessica's bird?
Originally posted by 510cpskid:
not her first bird that was a problem either
quote:That's 1hotls1 he's got a little more then nitrous, a few bolt ons, and tires lol
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
only on nitrous n a few bolt ons n tires breaking 10's
quote:Thanks dick ! haha
Originally posted by 65mustang408:
Ok would you like to compare a newer 2v 3v 4v? Yes the coyote is the exception they are nasty!
quote:but besides nitrous its basicaly all motor no blower/turbo
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
quote:That's 1hotls1 he's got a little more then nitrous, a few bolt ons, and tires lol
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
only on nitrous n a few bolt ons n tires breaking 10's
quote:just long tubes n cut outs -_-
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:I think it's only exhaust. Raced when I had mine still lol.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
Seen that car at 7th, I wanted to race her lol
quote:Yup she knows she don't want it with my coupe..... been calling her out for years.
Originally posted by 98 ROUSH:
quote:Lmao! Angel calls himself ws6chick LoL! J/K
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:wasnt that angels bird? he drove it alot. ALways wondered why the plate said ws6chick LOL
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
quote:jessica's bird?
Originally posted by 510cpskid:
not her first bird that was a problem either
quote:Don't think of it like that, because he has a good setup. For instence my old bolt on TA on motor took down H/C LS1s all the time. Some people don't have a very well set up LS1s, just like other cars.
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
quote:but besides nitrous its basicaly all motor no blower/turbo
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
quote:That's 1hotls1 he's got a little more then nitrous, a few bolt ons, and tires lol
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
only on nitrous n a few bolt ons n tires breaking 10's
quote:If your directing your statement towards me, you must not have clearly perceived what I was trying to get across. The whole point of this disscussion was about factory HP and that almost all mustangs are lacking in that department from the factory in the 1998-2002 era. The GT's and Cobra's of that time frame specifically, stock for stock if put up against an Fbidy of the same time period would lose in every aspect. Not to mention that it takes very little for the ls1 fbodies to hang with the all renowned terminators. So that's what my point was, the power versus price compared to newer mustangs and modded foxes. Believe me, I love Mustangs and always will. I'm just ready for a change and definitely ain't going with an import. Lol that would be a disgrace. But all in all no matter how you look at it, it's not cheap to go fast by any means.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
bro none of it matters.
what do u like more mustangs or camaros because either way goin fast cast money. handling and performance cost money. u aint guna save shit buy choosing chevy ur looking at it all wrong
quote:yea but in reality ur tryna go fast so u aint guna leave either one stock or close to
Originally posted by RONIN:
quote:If your directing your statement towards me, you must not have clearly perceived what I was trying to get across. The whole point of this disscussion was about factory HP and that almost all mustangs are lacking in that department from the factory in the 1998-2002 era. The GT's and Cobra's of that time frame specifically, stock for stock if put up against an Fbidy of the same time period would lose in every aspect. Not to mention that it takes very little for the ls1 fbodies to hang with the all renowned terminators. So that's what my point was, the power versus price compared to newer mustangs and modded foxes. Believe me, I love Mustangs and always will. I'm just ready for a change and definitely ain't going with an import. Lol that would be a disgrace. But all in all no matter how you look at it, it's not cheap to go fast by any means.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
bro none of it matters.
what do u like more mustangs or camaros because either way goin fast cast money. handling and performance cost money. u aint guna save shit buy choosing chevy ur looking at it all wrong
quote:To answer your first question, NO. It's not about saving money because ls1 parts are not cheap. To answer your second question, YES, pretty much what my point was concerning mustangs of that time period.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
so are u tryna say if u do a mild ls1 youll be saving money? or just stating the fact that the mustangs are slower from factory?
haters can hate i don't give a damm. I'm going to call it my poor mans z06 ftw quote:There ya go, my boy has a ls1 swapped Notch. It's a automatic but still can outrun most Cobra's. Even has the S197 intake manifold cover on it so it looks like a 3valve.
Originally posted by ISP89LX:
I'm just going to slap a lsx under the hood of my foxbody and have the best of both world's
quote:They look like a fun car to drive bro, so if i don't end up having enough funds for a ws6 im making my notch a hybrid with a prius motor
Originally posted by RONIN:
quote:There ya go, my boy has a ls1 swapped Notch. It's a automatic but still can outrun most Cobra's. Even has the S197 intake manifold cover on it so it looks like a 3valve.
Originally posted by ISP89LX:
I'm just going to slap a lsx under the hood of my foxbody and have the best of both world's
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I like that 3rd vid too. Good match !
quote:Hell yeah those are some dope rides. I bet a lot o time and money went into those cars. Glad you enjoyed the vids brotha.
Originally posted by RONIN:
@ ISP89LX , those vids are crazy. That TBSS moves
quote:Right on bro ! Thanks for the helpful advice.
Originally posted by *1 HoT Ls1*:
A well setup ls1 will haul ass and they respond very well to mods. If u got a 6spd then first mod should be a moser rear and some tires. I would then do a full coil over to transfer the weight. Basically suspension 1st. With that u can go into the low 12s or high 11s. Then some 1 7/8 headers from tsp with a y pipe and electric cutout and a fast toys lid and speed density
Tune. You'll be hauling ass!!!
Oh and my maro is cammed not just bolt ons. It doesn't have heads.
quote:+100000! you just cant compare them.
Originally posted by MikeD.:
You guys are compairing technology. The ls1 is ahead in than the 5.0l. Compare the same technology they had in a 90 Camaro to 90s fox.. Now you can say that one is better than the other.
Obviously a car built 12 years later, is going to be leaps and bounds ahead of an outdated vehicle.
My cold air, catback 1999 C5 went 12.96 @ 109 with stock run flats.. Wierd how that was faster than my 1990 HCI fox.. Ohh yeah is 9 years newer.
quote:Well said tony... Ford chev what ever you got, it don't mean shit if your shit ain't Hott shit ain't Hott
Originally posted by 18x10roushes:
Camaros or mustangs not gonna hate on either both cars are baddass to me ... Just Run your shit
quote:I knew id suck you into this one.Love ya man.Im not blinded,im bitter,lol.Years of growing up a Ford and Mopar guy around a bunch of shit talking Chevy guys made me this way.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
I'm not a huge F-Body fan styling wise, & yes the interior quality is pretty crappy, & the 10 bolt is glass. But the drivetrain shits on anything ford put out at the same time period (98-02). The SLA front suspension & rear tq arm/phb setup is far superior to the 1970's Fox chassis that Ford kept until 2005...
I've never owned an F-Body, & never will, but I'm not biased & blinded by the Blue Oval either. Gotta respect the bang for the buck the 4th gen F-Body offers.
On another note, although better, the 94-04 Mustang interior isn't all that great either....
quote:hahaha!!!! I was waiting for your reply... U know the new edge interior aint the best either because we both already talked about all that damn plastic LOL!!!
Originally posted by 50DADDY:
quote:I knew id suck you into this one.Love ya man.Im not blinded,im bitter,lol.Years of growing up a Ford and Mopar guy around a bunch of shit talking Chevy guys made me this way.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
I'm not a huge F-Body fan styling wise, & yes the interior quality is pretty crappy, & the 10 bolt is glass. But the drivetrain shits on anything ford put out at the same time period (98-02). The SLA front suspension & rear tq arm/phb setup is far superior to the 1970's Fox chassis that Ford kept until 2005...
I've never owned an F-Body, & never will, but I'm not biased & blinded by the Blue Oval either. Gotta respect the bang for the buck the 4th gen F-Body offers.
On another note, although better, the 94-04 Mustang interior isn't all that great either....
But yes,the bang for the buck is definitely there.
quote:LMAO!Youll notice i got rid of it.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:hahaha!!!! I was waiting for your reply... U know the new edge interior aint the best either because we both already talked about all that damn plastic LOL!!!
Originally posted by 50DADDY:
quote:I knew id suck you into this one.Love ya man.Im not blinded,im bitter,lol.Years of growing up a Ford and Mopar guy around a bunch of shit talking Chevy guys made me this way.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
I'm not a huge F-Body fan styling wise, & yes the interior quality is pretty crappy, & the 10 bolt is glass. But the drivetrain shits on anything ford put out at the same time period (98-02). The SLA front suspension & rear tq arm/phb setup is far superior to the 1970's Fox chassis that Ford kept until 2005...
I've never owned an F-Body, & never will, but I'm not biased & blinded by the Blue Oval either. Gotta respect the bang for the buck the 4th gen F-Body offers.
On another note, although better, the 94-04 Mustang interior isn't all that great either....
But yes,the bang for the buck is definitely there.
quote:that's because the 80 and early 90 maros are in my opinion crap. the lt1 motor is not a good way to go. the body is ok. now the iroc camaro is a worse engine. but they look good on iroc rims. beside that its late 60s, early 70s. and 98-02!
Originally posted by 50DADDY:
Heres my .02 cents on Camaros.Other than the 67-73 models,theres a reason you dont see many 20+ year old Crapmaros on the road.And that reason is they are low quality,plastic fantastic junk cars.The LSX motors may be strong,blah,blah,blah.But the cars are crappy.You see tons of nice 80's and 90's Mustangs on the road but how many nice 80's and 90's Camaros do you see?Lol.And thats because theyre cheaply built garbage.The doors wont close and windows wont roll up,the cats need replacing every other year and the o2 sensors need replacing every 6 months....etc,etc.And the same will hold true for the "almighty" LT1 and LS1 Camaros and the current pile of crap theyre pushing right now.
Ok,now i know some Camaro people and turncoats are gonna fire back at me for this,so fire away cookie cutter boys,your Crapmaros are still cheap,heavy,ugly,piles of camel dung no matter how fast and theyll be in the yard at Pick-n-Pull within 10-20 years,lol.
You know i had to open one of these in here!!!!!!
No hard feelins now kids.
most of the cats in this thread have no clue how to get a fox to work. or how to drive one! shit i had a 100% stock short block. heads & a old preformer 5.0 intake. the old ones with the 5.0 stamped in them. shorty headers and the rest of the bolts ons. the car ran 12.6 @ 107 with cats 100% smog legal & a road race style suspension. no weight transfer at all. can't tell you how many 450+ whp ls1 running in the 11-12's i see at sac raceway. my car with 430whp runs 10.5's & 124. maybe you kids and your freeway speeding get pulled on. but if you can drive and your car is set, you will be out bus lengths on the ls1. he will have to try to run you down. know how many ls1 get by my mustang now on the street? 0 now i'm not saying i'm the fastest car ever and will never lose to one, but it sure as hell won't be a ls1 in a crapmaro or fireturd!
quote:this just points out what i said. no clue how to set up a fox. lol for 5-7k i'll buy a fox and get it in the 10's.
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
quote:I'm talking about stock cars. Anybody could mod a car to be fast. The fact you can get a bone stock 320rwhp 6 speed car for 5-7k is unbeatable
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:this just points out what i said. no clue how to set up a fox. lol for 5-7k i'll buy a fox and get it in the 10's.
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
quote:2 things wrong with this. 1 no one every buys a car to keep it stock. 2nd. glad you got 320 rwhp and still run low 14's.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:I'm talking about stock cars. Anybody could mod a car to be fast. The fact you can get a bone stock 320rwhp 6 speed car for 5-7k is unbeatable
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:this just points out what i said. no clue how to set up a fox. lol for 5-7k i'll buy a fox and get it in the 10's.
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
quote:never said the ls1's don't make power. i have some buddy's that make great power with them. but he (op) asked about 98-02 crapmaro's. dollar for dollar, they will never be as fast as a fox. it's that simple. ls1 guys never want to compare equal motors. they always want to do stock to stock. why? cause they have better heads, more cubes, bigger cams. but when you say let me add a cam or heads to my stock short block to equal the playing field they always cry fowl. why? cause they know if you just throw some h/c/i on a well set up car they will get drug out. any motor can make power. power don't mean nothing if it's in a crappy chassis. 83-02 maro's are just shit for doing anything but going straight.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
Either way, both Mustangs & Camaro's have their strong & weak points. I am just saying, the Mustangs from the same time period as the LSX powered 4th Gen Camaro's don't really compare power wise or in bang for the buck...
After owning a 32V Mach 1 & seeing how my car only trapped like 107-108 mph with full bolt ons & a tune was pretty disappointing. I personally will NEVER own another 32v Mustang unless it's a 2011+... My 03/04 had valve issues at only 50k miles, & that is unacceptable on an N/A car that's babied IMO...
Now my fox body on the other hand & Fox's in general... Those cars impress me all the time. It has a stock bottom end 100k+ mile motor with a basic HCI setup, full exhaust, gears, power pipe, basic bolt ons, & an AC/Smog pump delete ran 12.31 @109. This was with Road race coil overs up front & eibach sport lines out back so the car had ZERO weight transfer & like a 1.85 60ft. Also I'm a track noob, so my driving isn't the best...
Warhorse your car(s) are always impressive & I respect you... I just disagree with you about LSX motors... They are also impressive, can't deny that...
Pushrods are where it's @ IMO....
quote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUna_lNIaDg&feature=related
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:2 things wrong with this. 1 no one every buys a car to keep it stock. 2nd. glad you got 320 rwhp and still run low 14's.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:I'm talking about stock cars. Anybody could mod a car to be fast. The fact you can get a bone stock 320rwhp 6 speed car for 5-7k is unbeatable
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:this just points out what i said. no clue how to set up a fox. lol for 5-7k i'll buy a fox and get it in the 10's.
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
quote:I won't argue with you there...
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:never said the ls1's don't make power. i have some buddy's that make great power with them. but he (op) asked about 98-02 crapmaro's. dollar for dollar, they will never be as fast as a fox. it's that simple. ls1 guys never want to compare equal motors. they always want to do stock to stock. why? cause they have better heads, more cubes, bigger cams. but when you say let me add a cam or heads to my stock short block to equal the playing field they always cry fowl. why? cause they know if you just throw some h/c/i on a well set up car they will get drug out. any motor can make power. power don't mean nothing if it's in a crappy chassis. 83-02 maro's are just shit for doing anything but going straight.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
Either way, both Mustangs & Camaro's have their strong & weak points. I am just saying, the Mustangs from the same time period as the LSX powered 4th Gen Camaro's don't really compare power wise or in bang for the buck...
After owning a 32V Mach 1 & seeing how my car only trapped like 107-108 mph with full bolt ons & a tune was pretty disappointing. I personally will NEVER own another 32v Mustang unless it's a 2011+... My 03/04 had valve issues at only 50k miles, & that is unacceptable on an N/A car that's babied IMO...
Now my fox body on the other hand & Fox's in general... Those cars impress me all the time. It has a stock bottom end 100k+ mile motor with a basic HCI setup, full exhaust, gears, power pipe, basic bolt ons, & an AC/Smog pump delete ran 12.31 @109. This was with Road race coil overs up front & eibach sport lines out back so the car had ZERO weight transfer & like a 1.85 60ft. Also I'm a track noob, so my driving isn't the best...
Warhorse your car(s) are always impressive & I respect you... I just disagree with you about LSX motors... They are also impressive, can't deny that...
Pushrods are where it's @ IMO....
quote:lol you want me to take video of how many run 14's at sac? i'm at the track all the time. glad you found one on youtube that went faster. you know how many i can find on youtube the runs 14's. now show me one with 320whp that runs 12.5's or faster. my 100% smog legal 88 coupe on road race suspension went 12.5's @ 109 with only 280whp. shit i think i still have video of a ls1 guy with 470whp that could only run 11.7x's. that was on slicks and is 40 more whp than my car now yet 1.2 seconds slower.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUna_lNIaDg&feature=related
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:2 things wrong with this. 1 no one every buys a car to keep it stock. 2nd. glad you got 320 rwhp and still run low 14's.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:I'm talking about stock cars. Anybody could mod a car to be fast. The fact you can get a bone stock 320rwhp 6 speed car for 5-7k is unbeatable
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:this just points out what i said. no clue how to set up a fox. lol for 5-7k i'll buy a fox and get it in the 10's.
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
Yep they run 14's stock.
quote:Where to start..
Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:
So just out of curiosity, if one were in the market for a 98-02 Z28 or SS Camaro, 6 speed of course, what would you look out for when looking to buy?
quote:Can the 10 bolt be replaced by a 12 bolt rear end? Or would it be worth it?
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:Where to start..
Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:
So just out of curiosity, if one were in the market for a 98-02 Z28 or SS Camaro, 6 speed of course, what would you look out for when looking to buy?
Listen for whining from the 10 Bolt.
Look at the slave & Master cylinders for leakage.
Listen for a cold-startup knock, mine did it but it goes away within a minute.
Thats about it.
quote:Yes it can. Moser makes a 12bolt for f-body or u can go with a moser 9inch
Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:
quote:Can the 10 bolt be replaced by a 12 bolt rear end? Or would it be worth it?
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:Where to start..
Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:
So just out of curiosity, if one were in the market for a 98-02 Z28 or SS Camaro, 6 speed of course, what would you look out for when looking to buy?
Listen for whining from the 10 Bolt.
Look at the slave & Master cylinders for leakage.
Listen for a cold-startup knock, mine did it but it goes away within a minute.
Thats about it.
quote:Ive owned mine for about 5 years now and have raced the fucking shit outa her so bad! and never had i had one problem with my car, except having to change the tensioner and stock trans. the motors are legit.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:Where to start..
Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:
So just out of curiosity, if one were in the market for a 98-02 Z28 or SS Camaro, 6 speed of course, what would you look out for when looking to buy?
Listen for whining from the 10 Bolt.
Look at the slave & Master cylinders for leakage.
Listen for a cold-startup knock, mine did it but it goes away within a minute.
Thats about it.
quote:12bolt Well worth it 4l60e suck !!!
Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:
quote:Can the 10 bolt be replaced by a 12 bolt rear end? Or would it be worth it?
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:Where to start..
Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:
So just out of curiosity, if one were in the market for a 98-02 Z28 or SS Camaro, 6 speed of course, what would you look out for when looking to buy?
Listen for whining from the 10 Bolt.
Look at the slave & Master cylinders for leakage.
Listen for a cold-startup knock, mine did it but it goes away within a minute.
Thats about it.
quote:I ran tens with my 10 bolt and 4l60e. 10 bolt sucks but tranny is a dam champ if built right! Im the one whos proven the "who said a stock 4l60e cant go season after season with nitrous".
Originally posted by 18x10roushes:
quote:12bolt Well worth it 4l60e suck !!!
Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:
quote:Can the 10 bolt be replaced by a 12 bolt rear end? Or would it be worth it?
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:Where to start..
Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:
So just out of curiosity, if one were in the market for a 98-02 Z28 or SS Camaro, 6 speed of course, what would you look out for when looking to buy?
Listen for whining from the 10 Bolt.
Look at the slave & Master cylinders for leakage.
Listen for a cold-startup knock, mine did it but it goes away within a minute.
Thats about it.
quote:Dont come in here disrespecting respected members of OUR forum you mullet having Camaro lover.You must be incredibly high,i mean like,look mom i can fly,jump off a bridge high.Check your facts.80% of cam only LSX,s are in the 10's!!!!!!!!!!!!!LMFAO!!!!!!And warhore,as you called him,has a 9 second Mustang,how fast is your pile of crap?Stick to norcal ls1 forums if thats how you feel.Stay the fuck outta our Ford forum if you hate them so much.I dont even know why some of you guys come in here.Kick rocks kid.
Originally posted by wichoms4:
@warhore... Anyone can say this that. Then why 80% of the cam only ls1 camaros break into da 10's???? Read n look at da facts. Record for cam only is a 9.98 check da video out. U just run Ur mouth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQE-Ea1kfM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
quote:really? you son have no clue. i have more track time than 97% of this site & have more street time than 99%. i have time slips to back everything i have said about my car's. i don't need to search youtube to find the 3 people that can set up a f-body. shit camcam's car runs in the 9's. with a so called stock bottom end. but you guys don't get it. they go threw those motor and balance them out, do head work, do intake work and call them stock. do i need to search youtube to see how fast the so called record is for a stock block fox. i'm sure i can. but i don't need to. i can/ have built my own shit, drove my own shit to the times. i don't need to search the world for a few guys that know what they are doing. how bout you bring your ls1, i'll bring my fox and we can see who's car is faster. not who can search the internet ( bullshitters glore/ liers)who did this or that.
Originally posted by wichoms4:
@warhore... Anyone can say this that. Then why 80% of the cam only ls1 camaros break into da 10's???? Read n look at da facts. Record for cam only is a 9.98 check da video out. U just run Ur mouth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQE-Ea1kfM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
quote:easy way to fix this.
Originally posted by wichoms4:
Relax it's open forum n (disrespect) check how many times this guy has disrespected members on this forum. I didn't disrespect I'm apply to da topic that was posted. I don't hate mustangs there fast rides I just peffer a Chevy. Anything that is posted about a Chevy this guy jumps on it n starts bashing on members.
quote:yeah it is tagged and smogged.
Originally posted by wichoms4:
Streetcar as its smog legal n tagged??? Cause that's I drive in da streets
i'll even put my plates on it for you. so lets lock some money up.
quote:Get off the internet and actually go to the track and see real life facts, not something you searched on the internet. Like i said go to the track and if your lucky enough to find a 12 second camaro, guarantee they got atleast cam and longtubes if not more. Warhorse and I are speaking real life facts from staying at the track, so you really have no argument
Originally posted by wichoms4:
@warhore... Anyone can say this that. Then why 80% of the cam only ls1 camaros break into da 10's???? Read n look at da facts. Record for cam only is a 9.98 check da video out. U just run Ur mouth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQE-Ea1kfM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
quote:if can drive it on the street its a street car.tags an smog dont mean shit.
Originally posted by wichoms4:
Streetcar as its smog legal n tagged??? Cause that's I drive in da streets
quote:One more question, What does you almighty BASIC BOLT-ON SS run, were dying to know since its so easy to get into the 12's. My guess would be you never even ran a car at the track. But I guess youtube made you feel like you have.
Originally posted by wichoms4:
Streetcar as its smog legal n tagged??? Cause that's I drive in da streets
quote:hey kip is a sexy some of a bitch!
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:if can drive it on the street its a street car.tags an smog dont mean shit.
Originally posted by wichoms4:
Streetcar as its smog legal n tagged??? Cause that's I drive in da streets
an i got 500 wardick will drag your ass down the street or track why is playing winger tape an drinking a coke.
quote:that is all you john
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:hey kip is a sexy some of a bitch!
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:if can drive it on the street its a street car.tags an smog dont mean shit.
Originally posted by wichoms4:
Streetcar as its smog legal n tagged??? Cause that's I drive in da streets
an i got 500 wardick will drag your ass down the street or track why is playing winger tape an drinking a coke.
quote:Its all good man,i just love f*ing Chevy guys like theyve always f*ed with me.Shit talking and bench racing is all just a a part of our sport.On the real though,Warhorse is a cool guy with a very fast ride.I think we need to set up another Ford vs Chevy event at Sac.
Originally posted by wichoms4:
Relax it's open forum n (disrespect) check how many times this guy has disrespected members on this forum. I didn't disrespect I'm apply to da topic that was posted. I don't hate mustangs there fast rides I just peffer a Chevy. Anything that is posted about a Chevy this guy jumps on it n starts bashing on members.
quote:Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:easy way to fix this.
Originally posted by wichoms4:
Relax it's open forum n (disrespect) check how many times this guy has disrespected members on this forum. I didn't disrespect I'm apply to da topic that was posted. I don't hate mustangs there fast rides I just peffer a Chevy. Anything that is posted about a Chevy this guy jumps on it n starts bashing on members.
BRING YOUR POS LS1 TURD AND I WILL DRAG THAT SHIT ALL OVER THE STREETS OR THE TRACK WITH MY PUMP GAS STREET CAR!
quote:I hope your car is 9 second capable, because as you can see from His sig, Warhorses car is NO JOKE!!!
Originally posted by *1 HoT Ls1*:
quote:Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:easy way to fix this.
Originally posted by wichoms4:
Relax it's open forum n (disrespect) check how many times this guy has disrespected members on this forum. I didn't disrespect I'm apply to da topic that was posted. I don't hate mustangs there fast rides I just peffer a Chevy. Anything that is posted about a Chevy this guy jumps on it n starts bashing on members.
BRING YOUR POS LS1 TURD AND I WILL DRAG THAT SHIT ALL OVER THE STREETS OR THE TRACK WITH MY PUMP GAS STREET CAR!
quote:sounds like it would be about a second slower and a waste of gas.
Originally posted by *1 HoT Ls1*:
na its not high 9 seconds but will be mid to low 10s. just tryna go for shits and giggles and see how a stock short-block keeps up against a fully built stang.
quote:Agreed............ But at the same time, he could get a built H/C/I fox that will have an advantage over the stock Camaro for the same price.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
To the OP, if you want a car in the 5-7k range that you don't have to tinker with to have some nice useable power, get an LS1.
If you like to work with your hands, get/keep your fox.
quote:well i dont see it that way. warhorse gave my boy tuttle a run in his evo a while back. and i beat tuttles evo back when i was still doing 11.40s.
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:sounds like it would be about a second slower and a waste of gas.
Originally posted by *1 HoT Ls1*:
na its not high 9 seconds but will be mid to low 10s. just tryna go for shits and giggles and see how a stock short-block keeps up against a fully built stang.
lmfao
quote:
Originally posted by wichoms4:
1htls1 will give em a run for his cash in da streets. Good luck hooking a nine sec car in da streets
jr. mine car goes wheels up on the street. i even leave off the trans brake and on the hit! care to lay some money on this race? lets lock something in.quote:100% correct sir. it is never ending. but there is a reason almost ever class is full of fox bodied mustangs and not f-body ls1's.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:Agreed............ But at the same time, he could get a built H/C/I fox that will have an advantage over the stock Camaro for the same price.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
To the OP, if you want a car in the 5-7k range that you don't have to tinker with to have some nice useable power, get an LS1.
If you like to work with your hands, get/keep your fox.
BUT... Throw LT's & a cam in that Camaro, & you will be seeing about the same power as a well built N/A 347 Fox....
This argument is never ending LOL....
quote:320rwhp bone stock are you high? maybe ls1 vettes but not camaros or T/a's
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
quote:Thank you. end of convo. anyone who says they care about the factory numbers and bang for buck can stfu
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:this just points out what i said. no clue how to set up a fox. lol for 5-7k i'll buy a fox and get it in the 10's.
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
quote:There's been many ls1 f bodies dynoing around 315-320 rwhp bone stock.
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
quote:320rwhp bone stock are you high? maybe ls1 vettes but not camaros or T/a's
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
they put down 290rwhp stock
quote:find me a video from a magazine like motor trend
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:There's been many ls1 f bodies dynoing around 315-320 rwhp bone stock.
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
quote:320rwhp bone stock are you high? maybe ls1 vettes but not camaros or T/a's
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
they put down 290rwhp stock
quote:
Originally posted by 98 ROUSH:
FUCK THIS THREAD,,,, FTW
quote:lol stop it. i put a hurting on his evo and his sc300. shit the same night i knocked off his evo, i shut down phet's blue evo. both of them i did on motor. now a all motor run isn't going to happen since i'm in the middle of the procharger install. so when i come back out i should be a few 10th's faster than i was on the hit. for now. since i will only be on "low boost" 12psi.
Originally posted by *1 HoT Ls1*:
quote:well i dont see it that way. warhorse gave my boy tuttle a run in his evo a while back. and i beat tuttles evo back when i was still doing 11.40s.
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:sounds like it would be about a second slower and a waste of gas.
Originally posted by *1 HoT Ls1*:
na its not high 9 seconds but will be mid to low 10s. just tryna go for shits and giggles and see how a stock short-block keeps up against a fully built stang.
we can for sure lock in a money race. no problems. but i won't be back out for a month or so. i should make next grudge if this go right. but it's going to happen when you ask about a brand x car on a ford web site. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
quote:I agree.... I will say this, I think from a factory handling stand point (more than going in a straight line) an F-Body has a MUCH better chassis design with the tq arm/PHB rear, & the SLA front suspension. Why do u think Griggs & Maximum Motorsports make that same rear setup design, because the 4 link SUCKS for anything other than straight line performance, & it has horrible bind & snap oversteer when pushed to the handling limits... But on the other side of the coin, the Fox Body platform is hands down better for drag racing.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:100% correct sir. it is never ending. but there is a reason almost ever class is full of fox bodied mustangs and not f-body ls1's.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:Agreed............ But at the same time, he could get a built H/C/I fox that will have an advantage over the stock Camaro for the same price.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
To the OP, if you want a car in the 5-7k range that you don't have to tinker with to have some nice useable power, get an LS1.
If you like to work with your hands, get/keep your fox.
BUT... Throw LT's & a cam in that Camaro, & you will be seeing about the same power as a well built N/A 347 Fox....
This argument is never ending LOL....
quote:
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol stop it. i put a hurting on his evo and his sc300. shit the same night i knocked off his evo, i shut down phet's blue evo. both of them i did on motor. now a all motor run isn't going to happen since i'm in the middle of the procharger install. so when i come back out i should be a few 10th's faster than i was on the hit. for now. since i will only be on "low boost" 12psi.
Originally posted by *1 HoT Ls1*:
quote:well i dont see it that way. warhorse gave my boy tuttle a run in his evo a while back. and i beat tuttles evo back when i was still doing 11.40s.
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:sounds like it would be about a second slower and a waste of gas.
Originally posted by *1 HoT Ls1*:
na its not high 9 seconds but will be mid to low 10s. just tryna go for shits and giggles and see how a stock short-block keeps up against a fully built stang.
op. sorry about the thread jack.
quote:
Originally posted by 98 ROUSH:
FUCK THIS THREAD,,,, FTW
quote:Please find me a healthy stock ls1 camaro running 14's.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:Thank you. end of convo. anyone who says they care about the factory numbers and bang for buck can STFU
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:this just points out what i said. no clue how to set up a fox. lol for 5-7k i'll buy a fox and get it in the 10's.
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
in the real world on the streets its a 14 second car stock!! that doesnt handle all that well either!! NOT IMPRESSIVE
stop talkin up the camaro already
quote:
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Please find me a healthy stock ls1 camaro running 14's.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:Thank you. end of convo. anyone who says they care about the factory numbers and bang for buck can STFU
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:this just points out what i said. no clue how to set up a fox. lol for 5-7k i'll buy a fox and get it in the 10's.
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
in the real world on the streets its a 14 second car stock!! that doesnt handle all that well either!! NOT IMPRESSIVE
stop talkin up the camaro already
Funny thing is, im not even a die hard camaro guy. I just dont let a brand cloud my vision on what a good built car is. If the camaro in its exact form had a ford tag on it, im sure all the ford nut riders would blow a load over it.
I had an ls1 camaro and a fox body at the same time and put the same amount of money into the each of them and the camaro got way better gas mileage, was more comfortable, AC worked, TTops on nice days. I ended up selling the fox body after owning it for 2 months because the camaro got driven 99% of the time.
Now if you want to build a straight up race car then i could see why a fox would be the way to go. Im more of a cruiser type guy so thats why i'd rather own an ls1 camaro/trans am over any mustang from the 80's and 90s. Its the complete full package from the factory.
quote:Yeah. Give me a 6 speed, 27 mpg highway, ttops, working ac, with very good power with minimal mods, very reliable car for 6k anyday. My ls1 had 190k when i sold it and the owner before me took it to the drag strip every other weekend in the time he owned it. I had a hard time selling it because people claimed to have seen it at the strip every time they where out there. lol. All original car and i recently found some videos of it racing and beating low mileage ls1s on youtube in the bay area. That thing has to have over 200k on it now.
Originally posted by RONIN:
Hey Robb, you have made some good points about the fox and 98-02 f-bodies and I can certainly agree with you about the drivability aspect of the LS1's and also having a sixth gear for great freeway gas milage is a plus my book. I seemed to have ruffled alot of people's feathers about this topic, I mean it is a Ford forum and all but in all reality I was just wanting know about the pro's and con's of them, not a Ford vs Chevy battle and which is top dog on the streets and track.
I appreciate everyone's advice and opinions and would like to say thanks to everyone for keeping it 100
quote:
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Please find me a healthy stock ls1 camaro running 14's.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:Thank you. end of convo. anyone who says they care about the factory numbers and bang for buck can STFU
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:this just points out what i said. no clue how to set up a fox. lol for 5-7k i'll buy a fox and get it in the 10's.
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
in the real world on the streets its a 14 second car stock!! that doesnt handle all that well either!! NOT IMPRESSIVE
stop talkin up the camaro already
Funny thing is, im not even a die hard camaro guy. I just dont let a brand cloud my vision on what a good built car is. If the camaro in its exact form had a ford tag on it, im sure all the ford nut riders would blow a load over it.
I had an ls1 camaro and a fox body at the same time and put the same amount of money into the each of them and the camaro got way better gas mileage, was more comfortable, AC worked, TTops on nice days. I ended up selling the fox body after owning it for 2 months because the camaro got driven 99% of the time.
Now if you want to build a straight up race car then i could see why a fox would be the way to go. Im more of a cruiser type guy so thats why i'd rather own an ls1 camaro/trans am over any mustang from the 80's and 90s. Its the complete full package from the factory.
then if they were god's gift was there no 03 maro? you might want to go to the track once in a while. then you would see how many ls1 maro's really run in the 13-14's
quote:LMFAO...
Originally posted by Chavez66:
quote:
Originally posted by 98 ROUSH:
FUCK THIS THREAD,,,, FTW
quote:No bodys high, they will do 320 RWHP stock. Mine bone stock put down 312 RWHP. After a lid, 321 RWHP.
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
quote:320rwhp bone stock are you high? maybe ls1 vettes but not camaros or T/a's
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
they put down 290rwhp stock
quote:
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:No bodys high, they will do 320 RWHP stock. Mine bone stock put down 312 RWHP. After a lid, 321 RWHP.
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
quote:320rwhp bone stock are you high? maybe ls1 vettes but not camaros or T/a's
Originally posted by Robb:
Most of the 80s fox bodies and sn95s I see on the road are broke down faded paint piles of crap. I see a nice one every several months. No stock/bolt on mustang from the 80s and 90s could compete with the fbody ls1s in stock trim.. 320rwhp bone stock for 5-7k bucks is hard to beat
they put down 290rwhp stock
Also, the dyno depends on how well it was maintained, the DA Of the area, gas hes running.
There are a million dyno videos of them doing 300+ RWHP Easily, it isn't a myth.
Look at this link.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/ls1-based-engine-tech-19/what-did-your-ls1-f-body-dyno-stock-43335/
quote:Yeah i'd rather own a mustang 2 and an 83 gt =)
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
haha full package from the factory. hands down the funniest thing i have heard all day!
quote:lol my ford nut riding ass will put a hurting on any pos you drive. i also own a 83 capri rs 4/ turbo. one of only 423 made. sucks to be me.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Yeah i'd rather own a mustang 2 and an 83 gt =)
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
haha full package from the factory. hands down the funniest thing i have heard all day!
Youre an obvious ford nut rider so ill let you be.
![[Frown]](frown.gif)
now all that a side. don't mean i'm not right about 13=14 second ls1 at the track!
quote:My corolla would fly by you while youre filling up with gas =o
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol my ford nut riding ass will put a hurting on any pos you drive. i also own a 83 capri rs 4/ turbo. one of only 423 made. sucks to be me.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Yeah i'd rather own a mustang 2 and an 83 gt =)
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
haha full package from the factory. hands down the funniest thing i have heard all day!
Youre an obvious ford nut rider so ill let you be.
quote:you are wrong again. i would be so far out on you i could stop, eat lunch, read a book, get gas, and still beat you there!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:My corolla would fly by you while youre filling up with gas =o
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol my ford nut riding ass will put a hurting on any pos you drive. i also own a 83 capri rs 4/ turbo. one of only 423 made. sucks to be me.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Yeah i'd rather own a mustang 2 and an 83 gt =)
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
haha full package from the factory. hands down the funniest thing i have heard all day!
Youre an obvious ford nut rider so ill let you be.
quote:I doubt it, But i'd need to pit stop at kragen and get a quart of oil to make up the oil ill burn redlining it =o
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:you are wrong again. i would be so far out on you i could stop, eat lunch, read a book, get gas, and still beat you there!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:My corolla would fly by you while youre filling up with gas =o
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol my ford nut riding ass will put a hurting on any pos you drive. i also own a 83 capri rs 4/ turbo. one of only 423 made. sucks to be me.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Yeah i'd rather own a mustang 2 and an 83 gt =)
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
haha full package from the factory. hands down the funniest thing i have heard all day!
Youre an obvious ford nut rider so ill let you be.
quote:+!!!
Originally posted by 2T0NE:
LS MOTORS FTW
quote:+1,000 add cheap coilover sleeves like Groundcontrol, Bilsteins, upgrade the SLA, PH, & TA from stamped steel to tubular pieces, relocate the LCA's, and it will handle great, for a lot less money than an Agent 47 or Griggs SLA front and PH/TA or Watts Link rear setup on a Stang.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
I will say this, I think from a factory handling stand point (more than going in a straight line) an F-Body has a MUCH better chassis design with the tq arm/PHB rear, & the SLA front suspension. Why do u think Griggs & Maximum Motorsports make that same rear setup design, because the 4 link SUCKS for anything other than straight line performance, & it has horrible bind & snap oversteer when pushed to the handling limits... But on the other side of the coin, the Fox Body platform is hands down better for drag racing.
quote:if they are/were so great why is there no 03 crapmaro/fireturd? easy they weren't so great! cause they couldn't sell them for shit.
Originally posted by 04 S281:
quote:+1,000 add cheap coilover sleeves like Groundcontrol, Bilsteins, upgrade the SLA, PH, & TA from stamped steel to tubular pieces, relocate the LCA's, and it will handle great, for a lot less money than an Agent 47 or Griggs SLA front and PH/TA or Watts Link rear setup on a Stang.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
I will say this, I think from a factory handling stand point (more than going in a straight line) an F-Body has a MUCH better chassis design with the tq arm/PHB rear, & the SLA front suspension. Why do u think Griggs & Maximum Motorsports make that same rear setup design, because the 4 link SUCKS for anything other than straight line performance, & it has horrible bind & snap oversteer when pushed to the handling limits... But on the other side of the coin, the Fox Body platform is hands down better for drag racing.
SLA front conversion on a Fox Stang is over $4,000 alone... a PH/TA rear setup is over a grand. Plus all the supporting mods.
4th Gen F-Body comes with that suspension architecture, STOCK... PLUS a motor capable of 400rwhp with a mild cam and bolt-ons, and a T56 6-speed.
quote:LOL thats when the BIG BAD 32vs came to clean house
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:if they are/were so great why is there no 03 crapmaro/fireturd? easy they weren't so great! cause they couldn't sell them for shit.
Originally posted by 04 S281:
quote:+1,000 add cheap coilover sleeves like Groundcontrol, Bilsteins, upgrade the SLA, PH, & TA from stamped steel to tubular pieces, relocate the LCA's, and it will handle great, for a lot less money than an Agent 47 or Griggs SLA front and PH/TA or Watts Link rear setup on a Stang.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
I will say this, I think from a factory handling stand point (more than going in a straight line) an F-Body has a MUCH better chassis design with the tq arm/PHB rear, & the SLA front suspension. Why do u think Griggs & Maximum Motorsports make that same rear setup design, because the 4 link SUCKS for anything other than straight line performance, & it has horrible bind & snap oversteer when pushed to the handling limits... But on the other side of the coin, the Fox Body platform is hands down better for drag racing.
SLA front conversion on a Fox Stang is over $4,000 alone... a PH/TA rear setup is over a grand. Plus all the supporting mods.
4th Gen F-Body comes with that suspension architecture, STOCK... PLUS a motor capable of 400rwhp with a mild cam and bolt-ons, and a T56 6-speed.
quote:never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro
oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure
so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!
quote:I have to disagree there. I'd say the overall interior quality of F-Body cars has always been crap in my opinion. The Mustang always felt better made and everything not only had better fit & finish, but everything electronic worked better too... and in the aesthetics department, I say the 94-04 sn95 interior looks far far better than the 94-02 4th gen F-body interior... Especially once you get to the 99/01 Cobra, Bullitt, and Mach interiors...
Originally posted by Robb:
My old f body handled better than any mustang I've owned from the same years. The interior feel is 10x better than a gt. GTs feel like you're sitting on a bar stool in the interior. Fbodies have a lower seat level makes you feel like you're in the car, not on top of it.
quote:The Mustang interior is MUCH nicer, but the seating position DEFINITELY sucks!!! The seats are too high.
Originally posted by Robb:
Yeah, I won't go there with the speciality mustangs interiors. I just can't stand the little arm rest and low center console of the mustangs. Fbodies have a way more comfortable console.
quote:i was speaking in genral because the 98-02 camaro is overated,
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro
oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure
so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!
Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!
quote:
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:you are wrong again. i would be so far out on you i could stop, eat lunch, read a book, get gas, and still beat you there!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:My corolla would fly by you while youre filling up with gas =o
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol my ford nut riding ass will put a hurting on any pos you drive. i also own a 83 capri rs 4/ turbo. one of only 423 made. sucks to be me.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Yeah i'd rather own a mustang 2 and an 83 gt =)
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
haha full package from the factory. hands down the funniest thing i have heard all day!
Youre an obvious ford nut rider so ill let you be.
quote:LoL
Originally posted by Chavez66:
quote:
Originally posted by 98 ROUSH:
FUCK THIS THREAD,,,, FTW
quote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-XZIctvZg
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:i was speaking in genral because the 98-02 camaro is overated,
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro
oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure
so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!
Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!
look it up car an driver track tested the camaro didnt handle as well in corners as the '99 mustang gt
so if the phb/ta that chevrolet was running was so superior then why didnt it handle better than the 99 mustang????
dont get me wrong i am currently running a MM panhard bar and torque arm on my '90 mustang
the 4 link sucks, ive known this.
but chevys set up was cheap crap and basically useless wich is pretty obvious since the fact is the camaro didnt handle as good as the 99 mustang
and the 99 mustang was still using the 4link
so if were guna talk about stock vs stock chevys phb/ta was as good as not having one at all
quote:Cool... Well, you guys proved me wrong I guess?
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
quote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-XZIctvZg
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:i was speaking in genral because the 98-02 camaro is overated,
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro
oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure
so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!
Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!
look it up car an driver track tested the camaro didnt handle as well in corners as the '99 mustang gt
so if the phb/ta that chevrolet was running was so superior then why didnt it handle better than the 99 mustang????
dont get me wrong i am currently running a MM panhard bar and torque arm on my '90 mustang
the 4 link sucks, ive known this.
but chevys set up was cheap crap and basically useless wich is pretty obvious since the fact is the camaro didnt handle as good as the 99 mustang
and the 99 mustang was still using the 4link
so if were guna talk about stock vs stock chevys phb/ta was as good as not having one at all
@ 3:20 it says the mustang handles better in the corners/twisties
quote:the point is ur still guna have to put alot of money into it if u wana make it handle just like a mustang. its not way better like people make it sound and i dont see any bang for buck over the mustang and thats wat the whole arguments about
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:Cool... Well, you guys proved me wrong I guess?
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
quote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-XZIctvZg
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:i was speaking in genral because the 98-02 camaro is overated,
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro
oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure
so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!
Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!
look it up car an driver track tested the camaro didnt handle as well in corners as the '99 mustang gt
so if the phb/ta that chevrolet was running was so superior then why didnt it handle better than the 99 mustang????
dont get me wrong i am currently running a MM panhard bar and torque arm on my '90 mustang
the 4 link sucks, ive known this.
but chevys set up was cheap crap and basically useless wich is pretty obvious since the fact is the camaro didnt handle as good as the 99 mustang
and the 99 mustang was still using the 4link
so if were guna talk about stock vs stock chevys phb/ta was as good as not having one at all
@ 3:20 it says the mustang handles better in the corners/twisties
quote:True, but the suspension DESIGN is still superior on the F-Body....
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:the point is ur still guna have to put alot of money into it if u wana make it handle just like a mustang. its not way better like people make it sound and i dont see any bang for buck over the mustang and thats wat the whole arguments about
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:Cool... Well, you guys proved me wrong I guess?
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
quote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-XZIctvZg
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:i was speaking in genral because the 98-02 camaro is overated,
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro
oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure
so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!
Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!
look it up car an driver track tested the camaro didnt handle as well in corners as the '99 mustang gt
so if the phb/ta that chevrolet was running was so superior then why didnt it handle better than the 99 mustang????
dont get me wrong i am currently running a MM panhard bar and torque arm on my '90 mustang
the 4 link sucks, ive known this.
but chevys set up was cheap crap and basically useless wich is pretty obvious since the fact is the camaro didnt handle as good as the 99 mustang
and the 99 mustang was still using the 4link
so if were guna talk about stock vs stock chevys phb/ta was as good as not having one at all
@ 3:20 it says the mustang handles better in the corners/twisties
yea u throw a cam in a ls1...then u add the price of the car and that mod, use the same amount and get a stang you will afford more n be faster and handle better if u kno wat ur doing
quote:yea if its a superior design whyd a four link rear mustang beat it in the corners ?
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:True, but the suspension DESIGN is still superior on the F-Body....
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:the point is ur still guna have to put alot of money into it if u wana make it handle just like a mustang. its not way better like people make it sound and i dont see any bang for buck over the mustang and thats wat the whole arguments about
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:Cool... Well, you guys proved me wrong I guess?
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
quote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-XZIctvZg
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:i was speaking in genral because the 98-02 camaro is overated,
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro
oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure
so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!
Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!
look it up car an driver track tested the camaro didnt handle as well in corners as the '99 mustang gt
so if the phb/ta that chevrolet was running was so superior then why didnt it handle better than the 99 mustang????
dont get me wrong i am currently running a MM panhard bar and torque arm on my '90 mustang
the 4 link sucks, ive known this.
but chevys set up was cheap crap and basically useless wich is pretty obvious since the fact is the camaro didnt handle as good as the 99 mustang
and the 99 mustang was still using the 4link
so if were guna talk about stock vs stock chevys phb/ta was as good as not having one at all
@ 3:20 it says the mustang handles better in the corners/twisties
yea u throw a cam in a ls1...then u add the price of the car and that mod, use the same amount and get a stang you will afford more n be faster and handle better if u kno wat ur doing
Power wise, the bang for the buck will go with the F-Body over any 94-04 Mustang besides the Terminator, but that of course is in an entire different price range. Put a 99 GT & a 99 Z28 in the same garage, throw the same mods at it, Full exhaust & a cam (cams in the GT), & you tell me what car will be superior? Hell, you could even throw a Mach 1 in the mix instead of the GT, & the F-Body will still make more power.... You, I, & everyone on this forum knows this is true, if not they are in denial....
As loyal as everyone is to the blue oval, & how much they hate GM, cannot deny the truth....
quote:True.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:True, but the suspension DESIGN is still superior on the F-Body....
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:the point is ur still guna have to put alot of money into it if u wana make it handle just like a mustang. its not way better like people make it sound and i dont see any bang for buck over the mustang and thats wat the whole arguments about
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:Cool... Well, you guys proved me wrong I guess?
Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
quote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-XZIctvZg
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:i was speaking in genral because the 98-02 camaro is overated,
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro
oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure
so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!
Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!
look it up car an driver track tested the camaro didnt handle as well in corners as the '99 mustang gt
so if the phb/ta that chevrolet was running was so superior then why didnt it handle better than the 99 mustang????
dont get me wrong i am currently running a MM panhard bar and torque arm on my '90 mustang
the 4 link sucks, ive known this.
but chevys set up was cheap crap and basically useless wich is pretty obvious since the fact is the camaro didnt handle as good as the 99 mustang
and the 99 mustang was still using the 4link
so if were guna talk about stock vs stock chevys phb/ta was as good as not having one at all
@ 3:20 it says the mustang handles better in the corners/twisties
yea u throw a cam in a ls1...then u add the price of the car and that mod, use the same amount and get a stang you will afford more n be faster and handle better if u kno wat ur doing
Power wise, the bang for the buck will go with the F-Body over any 94-04 Mustang besides the Terminator, but that of course is in an entire different price range. Put a 99 GT & a 99 Z28 in the same garage, throw the same mods at it, Full exhaust & a cam (cams in the GT), & you tell me what car will be superior? Hell, you could even throw a Mach 1 in the mix instead of the GT, & the F-Body will still make more power.... You, I, & everyone on this forum knows this is true, if not they are in denial....
As loyal as everyone is to the blue oval, & how much they hate GM, cannot deny the truth....
not bad in my opinion.
quote:2k for a healthy Fox ? Where ?? show me and I'll buy it rightnow. The only thing that 2k will get you is some beat ass, whooped east Oakland Swang machine. If that's what you consider healthy then you are the one who's trippin.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
trippin.
buy a healthy fox for 2k, that leaves u with 5k
quote:Lol at this. You can barely find a pos primered fox for 2k. You need atleast 3500 for a decent fox, need an upgraded trans, h/c/i, upgraded suspension to even match a stock fbody and you still won't have a cupholder for your drink
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
trippin.
buy a healthy fox for 2k, that leaves u with 5k
quote:ther are deals out there u gotta look
Originally posted by RONIN:
quote:2k for a healthy Fox ? Where ?? show me and I'll buy it rightnow. The only thing that 2k will get you is some beat ass, whooped east Oakland Swang machine. If that's what you consider healthy then you are the one who's trippin.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
trippin.
buy a healthy fox for 2k, that leaves u with 5k
quote:I payed 3500 for my 99 z28 with 109k miles, my boy just bought a 00 z28 for 3200 off a lady in her 50s with 130k!!!!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Lol at this. You can barely find a pos primered fox for 2k. You need atleast 3500 for a decent fox, need an upgraded trans, h/c/i, upgraded suspension to even match a stock fbody and you still won't have a cupholder for your drink
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
trippin.
buy a healthy fox for 2k, that leaves u with 5k
quote:
Originally posted by 91SuperchargedNotchOn24s:
quote:I payed 3500 for my 99 z28 with 109k miles, my boy just bought a 00 z28 for 3200 off a lady in her 50s with 130k!!!!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Lol at this. You can barely find a pos primered fox for 2k. You need atleast 3500 for a decent fox, need an upgraded trans, h/c/i, upgraded suspension to even match a stock fbody and you still won't have a cupholder for your drink
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
trippin.
buy a healthy fox for 2k, that leaves u with 5k
quote:I paid 3800 for my old mystic real camaro.. I've seen some good deals on them. I've seen them as low as 2500
Originally posted by 91SuperchargedNotchOn24s:
quote:I payed 3500 for my 99 z28 with 109k miles, my boy just bought a 00 z28 for 3200 off a lady in her 50s with 130k!!!!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Lol at this. You can barely find a pos primered fox for 2k. You need atleast 3500 for a decent fox, need an upgraded trans, h/c/i, upgraded suspension to even match a stock fbody and you still won't have a cupholder for your drink
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
trippin.
buy a healthy fox for 2k, that leaves u with 5k
quote:Just so you know...... "REEKING" is not spelled correct, it goes like this "WREAKING" -the proper way to spell it.
Originally posted by ReekingHavoc:
This thread BLOWS!!!!
quote:it does. what is funny all the ls1 nut swingers on a ford site, don't have the balls to man up to a little primer pos fox!
Originally posted by ReekingHavoc:
This thread BLOWS!!!!
i guess they don't want to see how bad they get ran off on by a 430whp fox. there is a reason there was no 03 crapmaro/fireturd.
quote:im sure he knows...look how he spelled kalifornia
Originally posted by RONIN:
quote:Just so you know...... "REEKING" is not spelled correct, it goes like this "WREAKING" -the proper way to spell it.
Originally posted by ReekingHavoc:
This thread BLOWS!!!!
quote:And do you ever wonder why a healthy almighty ls1 camaro is worth less than a 20 year old mustang. And everyone in this thread repping camaro's, can you please start saying what you guys ran in the quarter mile. Maro's are so easy to get to fast, but 1hotls1 is running the maro game and he was running 11.4(wonder why)
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:I paid 3800 for my old mystic real camaro.. I've seen some good deals on them. I've seen them as low as 2500
Originally posted by 91SuperchargedNotchOn24s:
quote:I payed 3500 for my 99 z28 with 109k miles, my boy just bought a 00 z28 for 3200 off a lady in her 50s with 130k!!!!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Lol at this. You can barely find a pos primered fox for 2k. You need atleast 3500 for a decent fox, need an upgraded trans, h/c/i, upgraded suspension to even match a stock fbody and you still won't have a cupholder for your drink
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
trippin.
buy a healthy fox for 2k, that leaves u with 5k
[LIST]
quote:The camaro is on the slide down, give it as much time as a fox and the prices will pick back up. Even more so being the fbody wasnt around as long as a mustsng. Its the same reason 03/04 Cobras are going to plummet, GT500s and the new 5.0s are going to drop it down, then it will rise in ten years.
Originally posted by 86- 50:
quote:And do you ever wonder why a healthy almighty ls1 camaro is worth less than a 20 year old mustang. And everyone in this thread repping camaro's, can you please start saying what you guys ran in the quarter mile. Maro's are so easy to get to fast, but 1hotls1 is running the maro game and he was running 11.4(wonder why)
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:I paid 3800 for my old mystic real camaro.. I've seen some good deals on them. I've seen them as low as 2500
Originally posted by 91SuperchargedNotchOn24s:
quote:I payed 3500 for my 99 z28 with 109k miles, my boy just bought a 00 z28 for 3200 off a lady in her 50s with 130k!!!!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Lol at this. You can barely find a pos prime red fox for 2k. You need atleast 3500 for a decent fox, need an upgraded trans, h/c/i, upgraded suspension to even match a stock fbody and you still won't have a cupholder for your drink
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
trippin.
buy a healthy fox for 2k, that leaves u with 5k
quote:Yea, thats why the 87-92 camaro's if you can find them running go for a whole 1000 dollars(good point)
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:The camaro is on the slide down, give it as much time as a fox and the prices will pick back up. Even more so being the fbody wasnt around as long as a mustsng. Its the same reason 03/04 Cobras are going to plummet, GT500s and the new 5.0s are going to drop it down, then it will rise in ten years.
Originally posted by 86- 50:
quote:And do you ever wonder why a healthy almighty ls1 camaro is worth less than a 20 year old mustang. And everyone in this thread repping camaro's, can you please start saying what you guys ran in the quarter mile. Maro's are so easy to get to fast, but 1hotls1 is running the maro game and he was running 11.4(wonder why)
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:I paid 3800 for my old mystic real camaro.. I've seen some good deals on them. I've seen them as low as 2500
Originally posted by 91SuperchargedNotchOn24s:
quote:I payed 3500 for my 99 z28 with 109k miles, my boy just bought a 00 z28 for 3200 off a lady in her 50s with 130k!!!!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Lol at this. You can barely find a pos prime red fox for 2k. You need atleast 3500 for a decent fox, need an upgraded trans, h/c/i, upgraded suspension to even match a stock fbody and you still won't have a cupholder for your drink
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
trippin.
buy a healthy fox for 2k, that leaves u with 5k
. Have you ever wondered why pick&pull has a couple rows full of camaro's and very few foxbodies? And once again can we start getting some track numbers of what all the people on here run or ran with there camaro's, I have asked that question a couple of times already and for some reason can't get a reply.
quote:13.6 107.9 with alot of wheel hop and bald tires. 2.6 60ft
Originally posted by 86- 50:
quote:Yea, thats why the 87-92 camaro's if you can find them running go for a whole 1000 dollars(good point)
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:The camaro is on the slide down, give it as much time as a fox and the prices will pick back up. Even more so being the fbody wasnt around as long as a mustsng. Its the same reason 03/04 Cobras are going to plummet, GT500s and the new 5.0s are going to drop it down, then it will rise in ten years.
Originally posted by 86- 50:
quote:And do you ever wonder why a healthy almighty ls1 camaro is worth less than a 20 year old mustang. And everyone in this thread repping camaro's, can you please start saying what you guys ran in the quarter mile. Maro's are so easy to get to fast, but 1hotls1 is running the maro game and he was running 11.4(wonder why)
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:I paid 3800 for my old mystic real camaro.. I've seen some good deals on them. I've seen them as low as 2500
Originally posted by 91SuperchargedNotchOn24s:
quote:I payed 3500 for my 99 z28 with 109k miles, my boy just bought a 00 z28 for 3200 off a lady in her 50s with 130k!!!!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Lol at this. You can barely find a pos prime red fox for 2k. You need atleast 3500 for a decent fox, need an upgraded trans, h/c/i, upgraded suspension to even match a stock fbody and you still won't have a cupholder for your drink
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
trippin.t
buy a healthy fox for 2k, that leaves u with 5k
quote:epik, i know where you are coming from and i'm not try to call you out. you just really make the best points to try to debate.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
Call me an LS1 nut swinger if you want, it is a good motor that makes great power out of the box. Am I a fan of the Camaro? Besides the 67-73, I am definitely not a huge fan, but I'm just a realist & you cannot deny the potential... Yes, with a 5.0 fox body & $5k to work with, one could most definitely DEMOLISH a stock F-Body. You could build a healthy 347 with that amount of cash, & the platform is MUCH lighter. That is not a real world comparison though, because the cars aren't even from the same time period. Like I said earlier, put up a Mustang from the same time period (98-02) up against a stock F-Body, or give both owners the same budget to work with, & the F-Body will win every time!!!
It's funny all of y'all think I'm hating on Mustangs, or jockin the Camaro... I'm definitely NOT at all, I'm just speaking the truth & being real... I love my Fox Body, & I would NEVER take an F-Body over my 91 coupe... But I also love my 418rwhp LS6 powered Cadillac equally as much. Yeah it's not a very fast car because it weighs almost 4000lbs, but it isn't built for drag anyway. But, just remember, this power was made with nothing but a cam, full exhaust, drop in filter, & a tune. Show me a similar CI, fully stock pushrod SBF motor (stock heads/stock bottom end/stock intake manifold) that will make that kind of power with the same mods???? It WON'T happen...
I have my Fox for drag racing, because that is what they are made for. ..
I'm gonna try to be done with this thread now.... LOL
quote:Yee
Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
Foxes rock, FBodies rock mullets.
Foxes FTMFW!
quote:for the win
Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
Foxes rock, FBodies rock mullets.
Foxes FTMFW!
quote:Haha, good one.
Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
Foxes rock, FBodies rock mullets.
Foxes FTMFW!
quote:
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:Haha, good one.
Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
Foxes rock, FBodies rock mullets.
Foxes FTMFW!
I dont swing chevy or mustang, but that camaro will be my last.
On top of my rear end being a glass bottle, the window motors are probably made from plastic. The hump on passenger side floor makes it difficult for a big person, or someone taller than 5;10 to sit there without seat all the way back.
The rear seats are better folded down, or removed. You could have a midget in the front and the back and someones knees will be somewhere uncomfortable.
The interior was nicer than my 02', there wasnt any rattles. Nothing was broken, no dash cracks. The leather held up nicely, with 110k only had one inch sized crack.
They do eat oil, alot. Inbetween oil changes, you will need to add half a quart. Which isnt bad. The stereo has the speakers in the right spots as far as quality.
But everyone is right, i look at it like this.
Get a fox if you work with your hands, and you like to watch your progress. For a beginner an ls1 isnt the right car to mod.
Whatever you choose, who gives a fuck what anyone says?
People feel like their opinion means shit on the internet, or their facts are always right. Weather its a fact or not, i still look at everything as an opinion from that person. Because everyone is different on judgement.
quote:You might if its your first time! Ha!
Originally posted by ISP89LX:
quote:
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:Haha, good one.
Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
Foxes rock, FBodies rock mullets.
Foxes FTMFW!
I dont swing chevy or mustang, but that camaro will be my last.
On top of my rear end being a glass bottle, the window motors are probably made from plastic. The hump on passenger side floor makes it difficult for a big person, or someone taller than 5;10 to sit there without seat all the way back.
The rear seats are better folded down, or removed. You could have a midget in the front and the back and someones knees will be somewhere uncomfortable.
The interior was nicer than my 02', there wasnt any rattles. Nothing was broken, no dash cracks. The leather held up nicely, with 110k only had one inch sized crack.
They do eat oil, alot. Inbetween oil changes, you will need to add half a quart. Which isnt bad. The stereo has the speakers in the right spots as far as quality.
But everyone is right, i look at it like this.
Get a fox if you work with your hands, and you like to watch your progress. For a beginner an ls1 isnt the right car to mod.
Whatever you choose, who gives a fuck what anyone says?
People feel like their opinion means shit on the internet, or their facts are always right. Weather its a fact or not, i still look at everything as an opinion from that person. Because everyone is different on judgement.
I'm going to build my POS fox with just HCI, a baby s trim with a face plated TKO or C4 hopefully I run mid 13's
quote:Oh NO !!!! I feel like such a ghetto thug that can't spell now. Well damn I guess it's time to go back to adult school classes at night to get my GED
Originally posted by a302juGRnuat:
quote:im sure he knows...look how he spelled kalifornia
Originally posted by RONIN:
quote:Just so you know...... "REEKING" is not spelled correct, it goes like this "WREAKING" -the proper way to spell it.
Originally posted by ReekingHavoc:
This thread BLOWS!!!!
![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
quote:12.8 stock cam, stock suspenion, stock gears, stock shifter, hell this thing had cats still lol, basic bolt ons that can be done in a day. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Originally posted by 86- 50:
if your lucky enough to find a 12 second
camaro, guarantee they got atleast cam and longtubes if not
more.
quote:See me in your ls1 bruh bruh
Originally posted by 2T0NE:
LS1BRUH
quote:SSSsshhh it deff wont me by first time, just keep it on the low don't want the LS1 owners to know im trying to make some mula hahaha
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You might if its your first time! Ha!
Originally posted by ISP89LX:
quote:
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:Haha, good one.
Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
Foxes rock, FBodies rock mullets.
Foxes FTMFW!
I dont swing chevy or mustang, but that camaro will be my last.
On top of my rear end being a glass bottle, the window motors are probably made from plastic. The hump on passenger side floor makes it difficult for a big person, or someone taller than 5;10 to sit there without seat all the way back.
The rear seats are better folded down, or removed. You could have a midget in the front and the back and someones knees will be somewhere uncomfortable.
The interior was nicer than my 02', there wasnt any rattles. Nothing was broken, no dash cracks. The leather held up nicely, with 110k only had one inch sized crack.
They do eat oil, alot. Inbetween oil changes, you will need to add half a quart. Which isnt bad. The stereo has the speakers in the right spots as far as quality.
But everyone is right, i look at it like this.
Get a fox if you work with your hands, and you like to watch your progress. For a beginner an ls1 isnt the right car to mod.
Whatever you choose, who gives a fuck what anyone says?
People feel like their opinion means shit on the internet, or their facts are always right. Weather its a fact or not, i still look at everything as an opinion from that person. Because everyone is different on judgement.
I'm going to build my POS fox with just HCI, a baby s trim with a face plated TKO or C4 hopefully I run mid 13's
, Me and my bro in law will finish putting her together soon and he's a former ls1 owner and he's even excited to see my slow fox come out quote:12.8 stock cam, stock suspenion, stock gears, stock shifter, hell this thing had cats still lol, basic bolt ons that can be done in a day. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 86- 50:
if your lucky enough to find a 12 second
camaro, guarantee they got atleast cam and longtubes if not
more.
quote:+1 on the rearend... Mine didn't break but it was leaking from between the axle tubes and the housing.
Originally posted by Robb:
Its definitely possible to get into 12's stock with slicks. I'd like to see how long the rear end lasts though
quote:Oh yeah, I forgot about the S-10 rear end those things have under them LOL...
Originally posted by Robb:
Its definitely possible to get into 12's stock with slicks. I'd like to see how long the rear end lasts though
quote:107.9 for me. No gears, 13.6 @ 107.9, high 60 ft. If I shaved a second off the 60, I would have ran an identical time.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
What do LS1 F-Bodies trap in 100% stock trim? I don't see how a 12.99 would be impossible with a stock LS1 F-Body on slicks with a good driver...
My 03 Mach 1 ran a 12.73, & that was with a trap speed of only 107, with a 1.6 60ft. The car made 315 rwhp/323rwtq. I'm pretty sure a stock F-Body should be trapping close to 107 stock right?
quote:Yup, that was about what I expected. The cars are pretty similar in weight too.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:107.9 for me. No gears, 13.6 @ 107.9, high 60 ft. If I shaved a second off the 60, I would have ran an identical time.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
What do LS1 F-Bodies trap in 100% stock trim? I don't see how a 12.99 would be impossible with a stock LS1 F-Body on slicks with a good driver...
My 03 Mach 1 ran a 12.73, & that was with a trap speed of only 107, with a 1.6 60ft. The car made 315 rwhp/323rwtq. I'm pretty sure a stock F-Body should be trapping close to 107 stock right?
well now lets see a stock ls1 do this. now what do you think would happen if he got h/c/i on this little pup. not to mention if he had a 331/347. quote:Well that's not a good comparison..... It has a bored and stroked motor for one.... Second the car is probably gutted to shit and probably has aftermarket suspension. That's like comparing apples and oranges.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
here lets just do this.
11.80 @ 110.6 1.58 9" M/T ET Drag Sac Notch1320 88 Coupe N/A 311 Unported E7's, Stock Intake & TB & Stock Lift Cam.
quote:stroked? really stop it. 311 that is a over bore. comparing apples to oranges? haha. comparing a 346 ci with bigger heads, cam, and more compression isn't. his car weighs 3020 lbs. no not even close to gutted. as for the suspension goes, the f-body is better right? then why bring it up? besides does it matter if he has upper & lowers? he run a stock elm class. that mean stock style. nothing crazy just bolts ons.
Originally posted by RONIN:
quote:Well that's not a good comparison..... It has a bored and stroked motor for one.... Second the car is probably gutted to shit and probably has aftermarket suspension. That's like comparing apples and oranges.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
here lets just do this.
11.80 @ 110.6 1.58 9" M/T ET Drag Sac Notch1320 88 Coupe N/A 311 Unported E7's, Stock Intake & TB & Stock Lift Cam.
quote:stock stroke for one since it is a factroy class that has all kinds of rules the have to go by
Originally posted by RONIN:
quote:Well that's not a good comparison..... It has a bored and stroked motor for one.... Second the car is probably gutted to shit and probably has aftermarket suspension. That's like comparing apples and oranges.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
here lets just do this.
11.80 @ 110.6 1.58 9" M/T ET Drag Sac Notch1320 88 Coupe N/A 311 Unported E7's, Stock Intake & TB & Stock Lift Cam.
quote:dave they just don't understand. it's a track thing.
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:stock stroke for one since it is a factroy class that has all kinds of rules the have to go by
Originally posted by RONIN:
quote:Well that's not a good comparison..... It has a bored and stroked motor for one.... Second the car is probably gutted to shit and probably has aftermarket suspension. That's like comparing apples and oranges.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
here lets just do this.
11.80 @ 110.6 1.58 9" M/T ET Drag Sac Notch1320 88 Coupe N/A 311 Unported E7's, Stock Intake & TB & Stock Lift Cam.
quote:yup.. but i think the ford guys are a head in the points.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
This Debate is gonna go on FOOOOORRRREEEEEEEEVVVVVEEEERRRRRR!!!!!!!! LOL...
quote:LOL.... Well, For what it's worth, I don't even care for F-Bodies much haha... Well, in the looks department that is...I still can't deny how awesome the LSX motor is....
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:yup.. but i think the ford guys are a head in the points.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
This Debate is gonna go on FOOOOORRRREEEEEEEEVVVVVEEEERRRRRR!!!!!!!! LOL...
quote:haha want to talk disappointment. 96-98 gt's performance is one of the greatest of all times.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:LOL.... Well, For what it's worth, I don't even care for F-Bodies much haha... Well, in the looks department that is...I still can't deny how awesome the LSX motor is....
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:yup.. but i think the ford guys are a head in the points.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
This Debate is gonna go on FOOOOORRRREEEEEEEEVVVVVEEEERRRRRR!!!!!!!! LOL...
Im thinking that's the main reason the Mustang stuck around, while the F-Body died was because the New Edge was a MUCH better looking car than the 4th gen F-Body, & styling sells more cars than power. Performance had nothing to do with it, because a stock 99-04 GT is a major disappointment performance wise when compared to a 4th Gen F-Body.....
quote:Hahahaha!!!! Who you telling? I used to own the biggest turd from the modern Mustang era. My 1st Mustang was a 96 GT AUTO!!!! I didn't know shit, I just wanted a nice Mustang when I bought it & it was super clean with 43k miles back in 2004. I thought it was fast too with my catted Bassani X pipe, weld in Flows, & K&N FIPK, that is until a newer 3.5 Maxima & a Lincoln LS hung with me on the street LOL.... I bet it made like 175rwhp on a good day... No disrespect to anybody that owns one, but we all know they are nice, reliable, but SLOW!!!!
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:haha want to talk disappointment. 96-98 gt's performance is one of the greatest of all times.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:LOL.... Well, For what it's worth, I don't even care for F-Bodies much haha... Well, in the looks department that is...I still can't deny how awesome the LSX motor is....
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:yup.. but i think the ford guys are a head in the points.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
This Debate is gonna go on FOOOOORRRREEEEEEEEVVVVVEEEERRRRRR!!!!!!!! LOL...
Im thinking that's the main reason the Mustang stuck around, while the F-Body died was because the New Edge was a MUCH better looking car than the 4th gen F-Body, & styling sells more cars than power. Performance had nothing to do with it, because a stock 99-04 GT is a major disappointment performance wise when compared to a 4th Gen F-Body.....
ps. don't tell anyone but your catty is pretty bad ass.
quote:How did he trap 110 with an apparently stock motor? Isn't 110 trap consistent with around 300+ WHP, atleast for weight.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
here lets just do this.
11.80 @ 110.6 1.58 9" M/T ET Drag Sac Notch1320 88 Coupe N/A 311 Unported E7's, Stock Intake & TB & Stock Lift Cam.
quote:Occasionlly you find so called factory freaks but the majority of stock 1s will run 13s. I ran a 12.8 in a modded f-body on my 3rd pass since buying car.
Originally posted by 50DADDY:
My buddy John used to run 12.80's all day long in a stock 01 automatic Z28 Camaro with a K&N and normal street tires.I dont even like Camaros so you know i aint lyin either.He used to kill em out at the spots.
quote:then can runs 12's pretty much stock. my friend had one with a slp lid and a little tune. ran 12.8. stock cam, stock full exhaust, nothing else. street tires.
Originally posted by 86- 50:
quote:12.8 stock cam, stock suspenion, stock gears, stock shifter, hell this thing had cats still lol, basic bolt ons that can be done in a day. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 86- 50:
if your lucky enough to find a 12 second
camaro, guarantee they got atleast cam and longtubes if not
more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MPj7L_Kgjk&feature=youtube_gdata_player [/QUOTE
Is this yours? and people is saying 12's stock, that car had everything but a cam with nitto's, and barely got into the 12's. But if its yours good run, So now thats one 12 second and probably the only one in this thread of people jocking there ls1 camaro\firebird's. keep your personal times coming guys, can't wait to hear.
quote:because your shit is ugly and slow.. all you ls1 that think your so fast don't want any of my weak ass pony. that simple. you can't compare those ls turds with a fox. look you guys talking how you got 12-13's but i showed you a fox that runs 11.80 and no one wants to show me a bigger ci, bigger cam, bigger heads, and godly power that goes faster than a stock elim fox running 11.80 in stock trim.
Originally posted by wichoms4:
Warhorse... Cali is not big on f-bodys. Cali is mostly ponys. Go to da east coast n u will find lot of lsx cars. But il tell u one thing the f-body's that are setup for drag here in NorCal runs 9's or quicker. Keep bashing us Chevy guys . Ls1 are hated for a reason...lol
quote:so a second slower than a stock fox.. props!
Originally posted by norcalfiddy:
quote:then can runs 12's pretty much stock. my friend had one with a slp lid and a little tune. ran 12.8. stock cam, stock full exhaust, nothing else. street tires.
Originally posted by 86- 50:
quote:12.8 stock cam, stock suspenion, stock gears, stock shifter, hell this thing had cats still lol, basic bolt ons that can be done in a day. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 86- 50:
if your lucky enough to find a 12 second
camaro, guarantee they got atleast cam and longtubes if not
more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MPj7L_Kgjk&feature=youtube_gdata_player [/QUOTE
Is this yours? and people is saying 12's stock, that car had everything but a cam with nitto's, and barely got into the 12's. But if its yours good run, So now thats one 12 second and probably the only one in this thread of people jocking there ls1 camaro\firebird's. keep your personal times coming guys, can't wait to hear.
quote:So you want people to post up their own time slips to compete with a time that you pulled off the net?
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:so a second slower than a stock fox.. props!
Originally posted by norcalfiddy:
quote:then can runs 12's pretty much stock. my friend had one with a slp lid and a little tune. ran 12.8. stock cam, stock full exhaust, nothing else. street tires.
Originally posted by 86- 50:
quote:12.8 stock cam, stock suspenion, stock gears, stock shifter, hell this thing had cats still lol, basic bolt ons that can be done in a day. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 86- 50:
if your lucky enough to find a 12 second
camaro, guarantee they got atleast cam and longtubes if not
more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MPj7L_Kgjk&feature=youtube_gdata_player [/QUOTE
Is this yours? and people is saying 12's stock, that car had everything but a cam with nitto's, and barely got into the 12's. But if its yours good run, So now thats one 12 second and probably the only one in this thread of people jocking there ls1 camaro\firebird's. keep your personal times coming guys, can't wait to hear.
quote:you can't really be that slow? it is a member on this site. go look at the fastest list on this site. he is on it #21. hell he runs the list. lots of guys on this site know him. what more do you want?
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:So you want people to post up their own time slips to compete with a time that you pulled off the net?
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:so a second slower than a stock fox.. props!
Originally posted by norcalfiddy:
quote:then can runs 12's pretty much stock. my friend had one with a slp lid and a little tune. ran 12.8. stock cam, stock full exhaust, nothing else. street tires.
Originally posted by 86- 50:
quote:12.8 stock cam, stock suspenion, stock gears, stock shifter, hell this thing had cats still lol, basic bolt ons that can be done in a day. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 86- 50:
if your lucky enough to find a 12 second
camaro, guarantee they got atleast cam and longtubes if not
more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MPj7L_Kgjk&feature=youtube_gdata_player [/QUOTE
Is this yours? and people is saying 12's stock, that car had everything but a cam with nitto's, and barely got into the 12's. But if its yours good run, So now thats one 12 second and probably the only one in this thread of people jocking there ls1 camaro\firebird's. keep your personal times coming guys, can't wait to hear.
quote:Apparently lol. Maybe in the 1/8th. There must be alot of god awful drivers out there because all i see are high 13's and low 14's with bolt on foxes.
Originally posted by 04 S281:
So you're saying a showroom stock fox can run 11's with 215hp?
quote:+1 that's deff not a time off YouTube and like warhorse said he is a part of the cafords fam and he is always on here and plays a big roll on this site. Look at the drag racing section he's all over it!!!!
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:you can't really be that slow? it is a member on this site. go look at the fastest list on this site. he is on it #21. hell he runs the list. lots of guys on this site know him. what more do you want?
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:So you want people to post up their own time slips to compete with a time that you pulled off the net?
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:so a second slower than a stock fox.. props!
Originally posted by norcalfiddy:
quote:then can runs 12's pretty much stock. my friend had one with a slp lid and a little tune. ran 12.8. stock cam, stock full exhaust, nothing else. street tires.
Originally posted by 86- 50:
quote:12.8 stock cam, stock suspenion, stock gears, stock shifter, hell this thing had cats still lol, basic bolt ons that can be done in a day. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 86- 50:
if your lucky enough to find a 12 second
camaro, guarantee they got atleast cam and longtubes if not
more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MPj7L_Kgjk&feature=youtube_gdata_player [/QUOTE
Is this yours? and people is saying 12's stock, that car had everything but a cam with nitto's, and barely got into the 12's. But if its yours good run, So now thats one 12 second and probably the only one in this thread of people jocking there ls1 camaro\firebird's. keep your personal times coming guys, can't wait to hear.
quote:lol wow that's funny outta left field
Originally posted by RONIN:
Alright... So here's the deal fellas. I've made up my mind and I'm not gonna get a Camaro or a Mustang. It's time for a change, so I've come to the conclusion that I'm gonna get a 1994-1995 BMW 325i E36 and then I'm gonna slap an eBay turbo kit on it. We'll see how it runs when I go turbo !!! Yeeeeeeee
quote:BMW's are awesome daily drivers. I'd like to pick up an 2002- M3 someday
Originally posted by RONIN:
Alright... So here's the deal fellas. I've made up my mind and I'm not gonna get a Camaro or a Mustang. It's time for a change, so I've come to the conclusion that I'm gonna get a 1994-1995 BMW 325i E36 and then I'm gonna slap an eBay turbo kit on it. We'll see how it runs when I go turbo !!! Yeeeeeeee
quote:Yea I think it will be a good change, they are obd1 so smog won't be as difficult as the 96 and newer cars. I'll probably smog it then put the turbo kit on right after. The motor design on the 3.0 liter inline 6's is badass. They are easy to work on and parts are easily available and not as expensive as the newer BMW. It will look nice in my driveway along with my 08 335i. And with the turbo kit it will be a fun little driver, they come with IRS and are rear wheel drive. Also have individual throttle bodies (ITB's).
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:BMW's are awesome daily drivers. I'd like to pick up an 2002- M3 someday
Originally posted by RONIN:
Alright... So here's the deal fellas. I've made up my mind and I'm not gonna get a Camaro or a Mustang. It's time for a change, so I've come to the conclusion that I'm gonna get a 1994-1995 BMW 325i E36 and then I'm gonna slap an eBay turbo kit on it. We'll see how it runs when I go turbo !!! Yeeeeeeee
quote:what no one that saying ls1 catfish wants run you for cash its becuase there ball havent drop yet hell john next grudge i race for 50 bucks in my bone fox
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:because your shit is ugly and slow.. all you ls1 that think your so fast don't want any of my weak ass pony. that simple. you can't compare those ls turds with a fox. look you guys talking how you got 12-13's but i showed you a fox that runs 11.80 and no one wants to show me a bigger ci, bigger cam, bigger heads, and godly power that goes faster than a stock elim fox running 11.80 in stock trim.
Originally posted by wichoms4:
Warhorse... Cali is not big on f-bodys. Cali is mostly ponys. Go to da east coast n u will find lot of lsx cars. But il tell u one thing the f-body's that are setup for drag here in NorCal runs 9's or quicker. Keep bashing us Chevy guys . Ls1 are hated for a reason...lol
like i have said before in this thread. i will drag any one of you ls1 nut swingers down the track. only 1 of you half ass step up to the plate. i said, lets put some money on it. and all i got from the peanut gallery. was crickets. put some money on hotls1 vs. me!
or show me a stock ls1 running 11.80's stock!
edit not some scrub off youtube either! any one can say there are stock on youtube.
quote:You should've seen the way everyone reacted when I sold my immaculate 03 Mach 1 to get a CTS-V....
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
Lol on the F-Body haters. They only hate because it is better than all 87-04 (excl. 03/04 cobras & Machs) in every aspect.
Because it's fucking newer! It's like it's a crime to like both vehicles here. Stupid ass people.
quote:newer does not = better all the time.i love gm cars but i have to say fbody are ugly ass sin.an hell i have at of the 8 cars i own 5 are gms
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
Lol on the F-Body haters. They only hate because it is better than all 87-04 (excl. 03/04 cobras & Machs) in every aspect.
Because it's fucking newer! It's like it's a crime to like both vehicles here. Stupid ass people.
quote:ist funny how the old shool technology of the foxbody be gettin it done tho
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
Lol on the F-Body haters. They only hate because it is better than all 87-04 (excl. 03/04 cobras & Machs) in every aspect.
Because it's fucking newer! It's like it's a crime to like both vehicles here. Stupid ass people.
quote:That won't be an issue. I do my own work and definitely would not pay someone or a shop to do maintainence or tune ups. Parts on the other hand might be more expensive but to me it's worth the trade off.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
have fune paying for maintnence and tune ups with an m3....
ist not hard to make a fox outhandle one of those either
you will not find a better bang for you buck than a foxbody
quote:Fox bodies are looked at as one of the ugliest mustangs made by many people.. Even most aero nosed fox owners look down on the four eyed mustang. So yeah, Appearance doesnt really come into play here.
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:newer does not = better all the time.i love gm cars but i have to say fbody are ugly ass sin.an hell i have at of the 8 cars i own 5 are gms
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
Lol on the F-Body haters. They only hate because it is better than all 87-04 (excl. 03/04 cobras & Machs) in every aspect.
Because it's fucking newer! It's like it's a crime to like both vehicles here. Stupid ass people.
quote:have you evey worked on an m3?
Originally posted by RONIN:
quote:That won't be an issue. I do my own work and definitely would not pay someone or a shop to do maintainence or tune ups. Parts on the other hand might be more expensive but to me it's worth the trade off.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
have fune paying for maintnence and tune ups with an m3....
ist not hard to make a fox outhandle one of those either
you will not find a better bang for you buck than a foxbody
quote:speak for ur self buddy!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Fox bodies are looked at as one of the ugliest mustangs made by many people.. Even most aero nosed fox owners look down on the four eyed mustang. So yeah, Appearance doesnt really come into play here.
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:newer does not = better all the time.i love gm cars but i have to say fbody are ugly ass sin.an hell i have at of the 8 cars i own 5 are gms
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
Lol on the F-Body haters. They only hate because it is better than all 87-04 (excl. 03/04 cobras & Machs) in every aspect.
Because it's fucking newer! It's like it's a crime to like both vehicles here. Stupid ass people.
quote:I like foxes, Ive had 3 of them. I just dont run around acting like its the perfect car because in reality, theres more wrong about them than there is right.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:speak for ur self buddy!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Fox bodies are looked at as one of the ugliest mustangs made by many people.. Even most aero nosed fox owners look down on the four eyed mustang. So yeah, Appearance doesnt really come into play here.
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:newer does not = better all the time.i love gm cars but i have to say fbody are ugly ass sin.an hell i have at of the 8 cars i own 5 are gms
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
Lol on the F-Body haters. They only hate because it is better than all 87-04 (excl. 03/04 cobras & Machs) in every aspect.
Because it's fucking newer! It's like it's a crime to like both vehicles here. Stupid ass people.
quote:Svt escort ftw
Originally posted by Robb:
escort ftw
quote:lol you seem to be the guy that is butt hurt. jocking gm's on a ford site. or maybe it;s that you are losing the debate with facts & times slips. none of which you have. sucks to be the angry guy that keeps getting his shit pushed in by a ugly ass mustang with less everything than your crapmaro's. stick to the ls1 forums jr.
Originally posted by Robb:
Whats funny is over on the ls1 forums, the people that phrase mustangs outweight the ones that bash them. Its the ford guys that talk the most shit. Bitter much?
quote:
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:have you evey worked on an m3?
Originally posted by RONIN:
quote:That won't be an issue. I do my own work and definitely would not pay someone or a shop to do maintainence or tune ups. Parts on the other hand might be more expensive but to me it's worth the trade off.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
have fune paying for maintnence and tune ups with an m3....
ist not hard to make a fox outhandle one of those either
you will not find a better bang for you buck than a foxbody
lol if u thougt it was hard to work on any ford
quote:What facts? I havent seen one. I see opinions from fox body worshipers that hold no water to the unbiased statements of people who have owned both cars and could give a legitimate comparison of the 2, Which is what this thread was all about from the start and not "omg my 83 gt goes 9 secs dawg.. i could beat everything yeah boi".
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol you seem to be the guy that is butt hurt. jocking gm's on a ford site. or maybe it;s that you are losing the debate with facts & times slips. none of which you have. sucks to be the angry guy that keeps getting his shit pushed in by a ugly ass mustang with less everything than your crapmaro's. stick to the ls1 forums jr.
Originally posted by Robb:
Whats funny is over on the ls1 forums, the people that phrase mustangs outweight the ones that bash them. Its the ford guys that talk the most shit. Bitter much?
again crickets on you or the ls1 nut swingers throwing money on my vs. 1hotls1.
quote:only a retard such as yourself would not be able to comprehend a time slip is a fact. my time & video's are fact. the bullshit you spew fiction. fact is my being faster than all you nut swingers. just for the record. i have a 91 piss gas street car that is faster than any thing you have ever owned boi!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:What facts? I havent seen one. I see opinions from fox body worshipers that hold no water to the unbiased statements of people who have owned both cars and could give a legitimate comparison of the 2, Which is what this thread was all about from the start and not "omg my 83 gt goes 9 secs dawg.. i could beat everything yeah boi".
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol you seem to be the guy that is butt hurt. jocking gm's on a ford site. or maybe it;s that you are losing the debate with facts & times slips. none of which you have. sucks to be the angry guy that keeps getting his shit pushed in by a ugly ass mustang with less everything than your crapmaro's. stick to the ls1 forums jr.
Originally posted by Robb:
Whats funny is over on the ls1 forums, the people that phrase mustangs outweight the ones that bash them. Its the ford guys that talk the most shit. Bitter much?
again crickets on you or the ls1 nut swingers throwing money on my vs. 1hotls1.
And i dont own a camaro or anything chevy related anymore.
quote:Ive had cars that would ass rape anything you own on corners. and again, So? Not everybody cares about going fast down a 1/4 mile piece of road. If that was the case, I wouldve bought a gutted low 8 second car and hauled it to the track.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:only a retard such as yourself would not be able to comprehend a time slip is a fact. my time & video's are fact. the bullshit you spew fiction. fact is my being faster than all you nut swingers. just for the record. i have a 91 piss gas street car that is faster than any thing you have ever owned boi!
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:What facts? I havent seen one. I see opinions from fox body worshipers that hold no water to the unbiased statements of people who have owned both cars and could give a legitimate comparison of the 2, Which is what this thread was all about from the start and not "omg my 83 gt goes 9 secs dawg.. i could beat everything yeah boi".
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol you seem to be the guy that is butt hurt. jocking gm's on a ford site. or maybe it;s that you are losing the debate with facts & times slips. none of which you have. sucks to be the angry guy that keeps getting his shit pushed in by a ugly ass mustang with less everything than your crapmaro's. stick to the ls1 forums jr.
Originally posted by Robb:
Whats funny is over on the ls1 forums, the people that phrase mustangs outweight the ones that bash them. Its the ford guys that talk the most shit. Bitter much?
again crickets on you or the ls1 nut swingers throwing money on my vs. 1hotls1.
And i dont own a camaro or anything chevy related anymore.
quote:yea ive gotten my hands dirty with bmws buddy thats why i asked if you knew what is like
Originally posted by RONIN:
[qb] Yes I have worked on several. Have you ? I guarantee that you know nothing in which you are speaking of. Foxbodies are so easy to work on, a cave man could do an engine swap in a day.
quote:There was a very nice 6 sp 102k mile 1999 camaro z28 at the sierra auto fair this week for $4k... Was a steal
Originally posted by hilltim54:
This is how I look at it... If I only had 8 or 9k to buy a car and mod it, which one could I get more gains out of.. U can find a clean fox for 4k.. That leaves u with another 4k to mod.. How much are fbodies going for?? 7 or 8k? Me personally, I like mustangs bcuz I grew up around fast mustangs.. Will I ever own a fbody? Sure I will.. But I wud prefer a built fox.. This debate can go on forever lol
quote:that was a steal... Especially if it was in good shape
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:There was a very nice 6 sp 102k mile 1999 camaro z28 at the sierra auto fair this week for $4k... Was a steal
Originally posted by hilltim54:
This is how I look at it... If I only had 8 or 9k to buy a car and mod it, which one could I get more gains out of.. U can find a clean fox for 4k.. That leaves u with another 4k to mod.. How much are fbodies going for?? 7 or 8k? Me personally, I like mustangs bcuz I grew up around fast mustangs.. Will I ever own a fbody? Sure I will.. But I wud prefer a built fox.. This debate can go on forever lol
quote:Yeah only thing wrong with it was the front bumper was alittle faded. Believe it had a new clutch some bolt ons and everything. Dont see them often but they are out there
Originally posted by hilltim54:
quote:that was a steal... Especially if it was in good shape
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:There was a very nice 6 sp 102k mile 1999 camaro z28 at the sierra auto fair this week for $4k... Was a steal
Originally posted by hilltim54:
This is how I look at it... If I only had 8 or 9k to buy a car and mod it, which one could I get more gains out of.. U can find a clean fox for 4k.. That leaves u with another 4k to mod.. How much are fbodies going for?? 7 or 8k? Me personally, I like mustangs bcuz I grew up around fast mustangs.. Will I ever own a fbody? Sure I will.. But I wud prefer a built fox.. This debate can go on forever lol
quote:all cars from the mid 70s to now are ugly.i own to fox becuase price an you can get parts at 7/11 for them.i love trucks almost any year or style an that why have 4 of them
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Fox bodies are looked at as one of the ugliest mustangs made by many people.. Even most aero nosed fox owners look down on the four eyed mustang. So yeah, Appearance doesnt really come into play here.
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:newer does not = better all the time.i love gm cars but i have to say fbody are ugly ass sin.an hell i have at of the 8 cars i own 5 are gms
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
Lol on the F-Body haters. They only hate because it is better than all 87-04 (excl. 03/04 cobras & Machs) in every aspect.
Because it's fucking newer! It's like it's a crime to like both vehicles here. Stupid ass people.
quote:Speaking of them being easy to find parts for.. I saw a fox hood on the side of the freeway a couple weeks ago...
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:all cars from the mid 70s to now are ugly.i own to fox becuase price an you can get parts at 7/11 for them.i love trucks almost any year or style an that why have 4 of them
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Fox bodies are looked at as one of the ugliest mustangs made by many people.. Even most aero nosed fox owners look down on the four eyed mustang. So yeah, Appearance doesnt really come into play here.
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:newer does not = better all the time.i love gm cars but i have to say fbody are ugly ass sin.an hell i have at of the 8 cars i own 5 are gms
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
Lol on the F-Body haters. They only hate because it is better than all 87-04 (excl. 03/04 cobras & Machs) in every aspect.
Because it's fucking newer! It's like it's a crime to like both vehicles here. Stupid ass people.
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
quote:but my car goes 9 secs dawg!
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
You are the only one in here who has something to say every turn weather its right or wrong.
And i wont be putting money on anything, i dont give a damn about your shit. Fast is fast, it just takes money. There are more foxes up for the same price as ls1s.
Just so were clear where we stand, however the amount of fucks i gave is non existent on this forum.
Fbody is just a better built car, i dont see floor pans, torque boxes falling off of a camaro.
Ls1 is better in every way.
The chassis only downfall is weight. Alot of camaros autocross because the weight distribution is far superior than a foxes.
The six speed is an entire different class.
The only fucking timeslip yoy posted was that of stock apparently 311 ci stock heads etc. Sorry, only a 302 in a gokart will trap 110. We are missing information.
The best part is, im humble and will drive anything fast. The lsx forums are a hundred times more civil if someone drives a mustang there.
quote:the camaro is not a better built car that is a false statement
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
You are the only one in here who has something to say every turn weather its right or wrong.
And i wont be putting money on anything, i dont give a damn about your shit. Fast is fast, it just takes money. There are more foxes up for the same price as ls1s.
Just so were clear where we stand, however the amount of fucks i gave is non existent on this forum.
Fbody is just a better built car, i dont see floor pans, torque boxes falling off of a camaro.
Ls1 is better in every way.
The chassis only downfall is weight. Alot of camaros autocross because the weight distribution is far superior than a foxes.
The six speed is an entire different class.
The only fucking timeslip yoy posted was that of stock apparently 311 ci stock heads etc. Sorry, only a 302 in a gokart will trap 110. We are missing information.
The best part is, im humble and will drive anything fast. The lsx forums are a hundred times more civil if someone drives a mustang there.
quote:Is this april fools day or something? a fox is built better than a much newer fbody? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:the camaro is not a better built car that is a false statement
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
You are the only one in here who has something to say every turn weather its right or wrong.
And i wont be putting money on anything, i dont give a damn about your shit. Fast is fast, it just takes money. There are more foxes up for the same price as ls1s.
Just so were clear where we stand, however the amount of fucks i gave is non existent on this forum.
Fbody is just a better built car, i dont see floor pans, torque boxes falling off of a camaro.
Ls1 is better in every way.
The chassis only downfall is weight. Alot of camaros autocross because the weight distribution is far superior than a foxes.
The six speed is an entire different class.
The only fucking timeslip yoy posted was that of stock apparently 311 ci stock heads etc. Sorry, only a 302 in a gokart will trap 110. We are missing information.
The best part is, im humble and will drive anything fast. The lsx forums are a hundred times more civil if someone drives a mustang there.
quote:Another bogus statement. My fbody had both original window motors when i had it at 180k.
Originally posted by Blind:
at least foxbodys don't have a regular window regulator replacement schedule or else have the windows fall down off their tracks once a week...
quote:Really your 20+ year old car is better built then an F-Body, I don't think you have ever driven one. Riding bitch doesn't count either. I can go ride bitch in a ten second corvette and say it's better then every other car.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:the camaro is not a better built car that is a false statement
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
You are the only one in here who has something to say every turn weather its right or wrong.
And i wont be putting money on anything, i dont give a damn about your shit. Fast is fast, it just takes money. There are more foxes up for the same price as ls1s.
Just so were clear where we stand, however the amount of fucks i gave is non existent on this forum.
Fbody is just a better built car, i dont see floor pans, torque boxes falling off of a camaro.
Ls1 is better in every way.
The chassis only downfall is weight. Alot of camaros autocross because the weight distribution is far superior than a foxes.
The six speed is an entire different class.
The only fucking timeslip yoy posted was that of stock apparently 311 ci stock heads etc. Sorry, only a 302 in a gokart will trap 110. We are missing information.
The best part is, im humble and will drive anything fast. The lsx forums are a hundred times more civil if someone drives a mustang there.
quote:Atleast if the windows were down it wouldn't get stolen! LOL
Originally posted by Blind:
at least foxbodys don't have a regular window regulator replacement schedule or else have the windows fall down off their tracks once a week...
quote:wow ur comparing a 20 year old motor to the ls1
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:Really your 20+ year old car is better built then an F-Body, I don't think you have ever driven one. Riding bitch doesn't count either. I can go ride bitch in a ten second corvette and say it's better then every other car.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:the camaro is not a better built car that is a false statement
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
You are the only one in here who has something to say every turn weather its right or wrong.
And i wont be putting money on anything, i dont give a damn about your shit. Fast is fast, it just takes money. There are more foxes up for the same price as ls1s.
Just so were clear where we stand, however the amount of fucks i gave is non existent on this forum.
Fbody is just a better built car, i dont see floor pans, torque boxes falling off of a camaro.
Ls1 is better in every way.
The chassis only downfall is weight. Alot of camaros autocross because the weight distribution is far superior than a foxes.
The six speed is an entire different class.
The only fucking timeslip yoy posted was that of stock apparently 311 ci stock heads etc. Sorry, only a 302 in a gokart will trap 110. We are missing information.
The best part is, im humble and will drive anything fast. The lsx forums are a hundred times more civil if someone drives a mustang there.
Torque Arm, Panhard Bar, Macphearson Struts up front. Aluminun Driveshaft.
Not to mention a 1:1 fourth gear, better rear end ratio's stock. Not to mention the weight disbursement front to back is very close to equal because of how far back the motor is.
The LS1 Stock for stock is 10x better than a 302.
The F-Body doors don't sound like a beer can when shut.
This is a STOCK for STOCK Debate, seeing as stock foxes sell for the same fucking price.
quote:lol i think you bumped your head. how many of my 12.5-12.6's @ 108-110 time slips you need me to post? how many will it take to prove your "lack of knowledge" about 302 trapping 110? maybe you need to hit up the track to help you learn some things about cars & times they run.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
You are the only one in here who has something to say every turn weather its right or wrong.
And i wont be putting money on anything, i dont give a damn about your shit. Fast is fast, it just takes money. There are more foxes up for the same price as ls1s.
Just so were clear where we stand, however the amount of fucks i gave is non existent on this forum.
Fbody is just a better built car, i dont see floor pans, torque boxes falling off of a camaro.
Ls1 is better in every way.
The chassis only downfall is weight. Alot of camaros autocross because the weight distribution is far superior than a foxes.
The six speed is an entire different class.
The only fucking timeslip yoy posted was that of stock apparently 311 ci stock heads etc. Sorry, only a 302 in a gokart will trap 110. We are missing information.
The best part is, im humble and will drive anything fast. The lsx forums are a hundred times more civil if someone drives a mustang there.
quote:yet for all this, there is no 03 crapmaro/fireturd for a good reason. they couldn't sell them for shit.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:Really your 20+ year old car is better built then an F-Body, I don't think you have ever driven one. Riding bitch doesn't count either. I can go ride bitch in a ten second corvette and say it's better then every other car.
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:the camaro is not a better built car that is a false statement
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
You are the only one in here who has something to say every turn weather its right or wrong.
And i wont be putting money on anything, i dont give a damn about your shit. Fast is fast, it just takes money. There are more foxes up for the same price as ls1s.
Just so were clear where we stand, however the amount of fucks i gave is non existent on this forum.
Fbody is just a better built car, i dont see floor pans, torque boxes falling off of a camaro.
Ls1 is better in every way.
The chassis only downfall is weight. Alot of camaros autocross because the weight distribution is far superior than a foxes.
The six speed is an entire different class.
The only fucking timeslip yoy posted was that of stock apparently 311 ci stock heads etc. Sorry, only a 302 in a gokart will trap 110. We are missing information.
The best part is, im humble and will drive anything fast. The lsx forums are a hundred times more civil if someone drives a mustang there.
Torque Arm, Panhard Bar, Macphearson Struts up front. Aluminun Driveshaft.
Not to mention a 1:1 fourth gear, better rear end ratio's stock. Not to mention the weight disbursement front to back is very close to equal because of how far back the motor is.
The LS1 Stock for stock is 10x better than a 302.
The F-Body doors don't sound like a beer can when shut.
This is a STOCK for STOCK Debate, seeing as stock foxes sell for the same fucking price.
sucks to jock a car that no body wanted when it was selling new.
quote:How do you "Build" what you said was stock? Then it isn't stock. Thanks!
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol i think you bumped your head. how many of my 12.5-12.6's @ 108-110 time slips you need me to post? how many will it take to prove your "lack of knowledge" about 302 trapping 110? maybe you need to hit up the track to help you learn some things about cars & times they run.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
You are the only one in here who has something to say every turn weather its right or wrong.
And i wont be putting money on anything, i dont give a damn about your shit. Fast is fast, it just takes money. There are more foxes up for the same price as ls1s.
Just so were clear where we stand, however the amount of fucks i gave is non existent on this forum.
Fbody is just a better built car, i dont see floor pans, torque boxes falling off of a camaro.
Ls1 is better in every way.
The chassis only downfall is weight. Alot of camaros autocross because the weight distribution is far superior than a foxes.
The six speed is an entire different class.
The only fucking timeslip yoy posted was that of stock apparently 311 ci stock heads etc. Sorry, only a 302 in a gokart will trap 110. We are missing information.
The best part is, im humble and will drive anything fast. The lsx forums are a hundred times more civil if someone drives a mustang there.
quote:The ls1 guys are starting to get down to just name calling at this point.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
Can't believe this is still going on lol...
quote:haha!!!
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:The ls1 guys are starting to get down to just name calling at this point.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
Can't believe this is still going on lol...
quote:I remember the word "Crapmaro" being used. Not an LS1 guy, I don't jock either. I just know better when I see it.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:The ls1 guys are starting to get down to just name calling at this point.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
Can't believe this is still going on lol...
quote:12.6 with stock 89 gt with 4:10 pepboys tires an cold airintake at sears point in 2002 at 110mph .you just have to know how to drive an bang gears
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol i think you bumped your head. how many of my 12.5-12.6's @ 108-110 time slips you need me to post? how many will it take to prove your "lack of knowledge" about 302 trapping 110? maybe you need to hit up the track to help you learn some things about cars & times they run.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
You are the only one in here who has something to say every turn weather its right or wrong.
And i wont be putting money on anything, i dont give a damn about your shit. Fast is fast, it just takes money. There are more foxes up for the same price as ls1s.
Just so were clear where we stand, however the amount of fucks i gave is non existent on this forum.
Fbody is just a better built car, i dont see floor pans, torque boxes falling off of a camaro.
Ls1 is better in every way.
The chassis only downfall is weight. Alot of camaros autocross because the weight distribution is far superior than a foxes.
The six speed is an entire different class.
The only fucking timeslip yoy posted was that of stock apparently 311 ci stock heads etc. Sorry, only a 302 in a gokart will trap 110. We are missing information.
The best part is, im humble and will drive anything fast. The lsx forums are a hundred times more civil if someone drives a mustang there.
quote:So you trapped a HUNDRED AND TEN, with a cold air intake and 4.10's? With a 190WHP CAR? Alright.
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:12.6 with stock 89 gt with 4:10 pepboys tires an cold airintake at sears point in 2002 at 110mph .you just have to know how to drive an bang gears
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol i think you bumped your head. how many of my 12.5-12.6's @ 108-110 time slips you need me to post? how many will it take to prove your "lack of knowledge" about 302 trapping 110? maybe you need to hit up the track to help you learn some things about cars & times they run.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
You are the only one in here who has something to say every turn weather its right or wrong.
And i wont be putting money on anything, i dont give a damn about your shit. Fast is fast, it just takes money. There are more foxes up for the same price as ls1s.
Just so were clear where we stand, however the amount of fucks i gave is non existent on this forum.
Fbody is just a better built car, i dont see floor pans, torque boxes falling off of a camaro.
Ls1 is better in every way.
The chassis only downfall is weight. Alot of camaros autocross because the weight distribution is far superior than a foxes.
The six speed is an entire different class.
The only fucking timeslip yoy posted was that of stock apparently 311 ci stock heads etc. Sorry, only a 302 in a gokart will trap 110. We are missing information.
The best part is, im humble and will drive anything fast. The lsx forums are a hundred times more civil if someone drives a mustang there.
quote:Sorry bro, I'm not doubting Foxes at all, but a stock fox with a cold air intake will NOT trap 110, even on a good day
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:12.6 with stock 89 gt with 4:10 pepboys tires an cold airintake at sears point in 2002 at 110mph .you just have to know how to drive an bang gears
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol i think you bumped your head. how many of my 12.5-12.6's @ 108-110 time slips you need me to post? how many will it take to prove your "lack of knowledge" about 302 trapping 110? maybe you need to hit up the track to help you learn some things about cars & times they run.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
You are the only one in here who has something to say every turn weather its right or wrong.
And i wont be putting money on anything, i dont give a damn about your shit. Fast is fast, it just takes money. There are more foxes up for the same price as ls1s.
Just so were clear where we stand, however the amount of fucks i gave is non existent on this forum.
Fbody is just a better built car, i dont see floor pans, torque boxes falling off of a camaro.
Ls1 is better in every way.
The chassis only downfall is weight. Alot of camaros autocross because the weight distribution is far superior than a foxes.
The six speed is an entire different class.
The only fucking timeslip yoy posted was that of stock apparently 311 ci stock heads etc. Sorry, only a 302 in a gokart will trap 110. We are missing information.
The best part is, im humble and will drive anything fast. The lsx forums are a hundred times more civil if someone drives a mustang there.
quote:and there is a member on the site that goes 11.8's with a over bore. but you won't believe his times cause of your lack of knowledge.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:How do you "Build" what you said was stock? Then it isn't stock. Thanks!
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol i think you bumped your head. how many of my 12.5-12.6's @ 108-110 time slips you need me to post? how many will it take to prove your "lack of knowledge" about 302 trapping 110? maybe you need to hit up the track to help you learn some things about cars & times they run.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
You are the only one in here who has something to say every turn weather its right or wrong.
And i wont be putting money on anything, i dont give a damn about your shit. Fast is fast, it just takes money. There are more foxes up for the same price as ls1s.
Just so were clear where we stand, however the amount of fucks i gave is non existent on this forum.
Fbody is just a better built car, i dont see floor pans, torque boxes falling off of a camaro.
Ls1 is better in every way.
The chassis only downfall is weight. Alot of camaros autocross because the weight distribution is far superior than a foxes.
The six speed is an entire different class.
The only fucking timeslip yoy posted was that of stock apparently 311 ci stock heads etc. Sorry, only a 302 in a gokart will trap 110. We are missing information.
The best part is, im humble and will drive anything fast. The lsx forums are a hundred times more civil if someone drives a mustang there.
Plenty of FBody's in 12's that was already stated, all it takes is drag radials.
quote:The fox jock's sound like paid advertisements! Jesus fucking christ, I have owned three mustangs and an f-body and a few other useless cars.
Originally posted by Robb:
Camaro:
Better interior
Better trans.. both auto and manual
Better gas mileage
Better handling
Better motor
better brakes
better suspension
AC
traction control
5 lugs stock
Fox:
Better rear end
Looks are youre own opinion.
quote:I can give him an equal amount of timeslips of slow ass 302's with alot of work done.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
My 91 coupe with H/C/I, full exhaust, all the bolt ons, slicks & skinnies, & 3.73's trapped 110. It made 300rwhp/320rwtq too. Granted, I'm not the best gear banger in the world, but I could see a FULLY stock (besides Cold air) fox with 4.10's trapping like 101-102 MAYBE?
quote:i look to se if i have the slip still.it did have rear control arms an may have been mising bumper reforecments an some other stuff.hell you can get 500 power combo to run high 8s low 9s by taking lots of weight out of it
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:Sorry bro, I'm not doubting Foxes at all, but a stock fox with a cold air intake will NOT trap 110, even on a good day
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:12.6 with stock 89 gt with 4:10 pepboys tires an cold airintake at sears point in 2002 at 110mph .you just have to know how to drive an bang gears
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:lol i think you bumped your head. how many of my 12.5-12.6's @ 108-110 time slips you need me to post? how many will it take to prove your "lack of knowledge" about 302 trapping 110? maybe you need to hit up the track to help you learn some things about cars & times they run.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:You senile grandpa? Ive been stating everything wrong with f bodys from the start, not once did i say its faster than a properly setup fox.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
i'll make this simple! 1hotls1 said, "Im down to give u a run after my head swap. its just a stock bottom end ls1" at least he has a pair.
so, wichoms4, robb, Wrenchin, 02angrybird, grow some yourself's throw some money on this shit and lets lock something up!
You are the only one in here who has something to say every turn weather its right or wrong.
And i wont be putting money on anything, i dont give a damn about your shit. Fast is fast, it just takes money. There are more foxes up for the same price as ls1s.
Just so were clear where we stand, however the amount of fucks i gave is non existent on this forum.
Fbody is just a better built car, i dont see floor pans, torque boxes falling off of a camaro.
Ls1 is better in every way.
The chassis only downfall is weight. Alot of camaros autocross because the weight distribution is far superior than a foxes.
The six speed is an entire different class.
The only fucking timeslip yoy posted was that of stock apparently 311 ci stock heads etc. Sorry, only a 302 in a gokart will trap 110. We are missing information.
The best part is, im humble and will drive anything fast. The lsx forums are a hundred times more civil if someone drives a mustang there.
quote:Some of those times sound like they have some tired ass motors under the hood or something LOL?
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:I can give him an equal amount of timeslips of slow ass 302's with alot of work done.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
My 91 coupe with H/C/I, full exhaust, all the bolt ons, slicks & skinnies, & 3.73's trapped 110. It made 300rwhp/320rwtq too. Granted, I'm not the best gear banger in the world, but I could see a FULLY stock (besides Cold air) fox with 4.10's trapping like 101-102 MAYBE?
14.12 @ 98.6 2.20 Street Tires Infineon FOXX5.0 93 GT Full Exhuast & Pulleys 03/08/12
14.13 @ 95.7 2.06 Nitto NT555RS 275/40/17's Sac coupe5oh 94GT TFS 1 Cobra Intake 1" Spacer Longtubes 3.73's 06/11/11
14.38 @ 96.8 2.25 Bridgestone Street Tires Sac sydewayzlx50 91 Coupe Stock Heads & Cam Edelbrock Performer 3.73's 06/11/11
14.56 @ 93.6 2.13 Street Tires Sac NEIGHT 86 LX Hatch Stock, Longtubes, 3.73's 04/14/12
15.52 @ 89.0 2.49 Street Tires Sac jmcclesk 90GT 100% Stock w/AOD 2:73's 04/04/12
quote:no it's is not! in you opinion it is better. they fact the they didn't sell a 03 goes a long way to show they weren't better.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:The fox jock's sound like paid advertisements! Jesus fucking christ, I have owned three mustangs and an f-body and a few other useless cars.
Originally posted by Robb:
Camaro:
Better interior
Better trans.. both auto and manual
Better gas mileage
Better handling
Better motor
better brakes
better suspension
AC
traction control
5 lugs stock
Fox:
Better rear end
Looks are youre own opinion.
And I can tell you by far, the fox is not the nicer car.
@Warhorse, who gives a shit about timeslips? The F-Body is better, PLAIN & SIMPLE. Theres nothing too it, really there isn't. I don't care how you "gimped" a mustang. Good job! It's still not as nice.
time slips go a long ways in show that your opinions are false.
quote:put me in those cars and i bet you money i go faster than they do! driver & tires make a big difference. again you lack of knowledge shows.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:I can give him an equal amount of timeslips of slow ass 302's with alot of work done.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
My 91 coupe with H/C/I, full exhaust, all the bolt ons, slicks & skinnies, & 3.73's trapped 110. It made 300rwhp/320rwtq too. Granted, I'm not the best gear banger in the world, but I could see a FULLY stock (besides Cold air) fox with 4.10's trapping like 101-102 MAYBE?
14.12 @ 98.6 2.20 Street Tires Infineon FOXX5.0 93 GT Full Exhuast & Pulleys 03/08/12
14.13 @ 95.7 2.06 Nitto NT555RS 275/40/17's Sac coupe5oh 94GT TFS 1 Cobra Intake 1" Spacer Longtubes 3.73's 06/11/11
14.38 @ 96.8 2.25 Bridgestone Street Tires Sac sydewayzlx50 91 Coupe Stock Heads & Cam Edelbrock Performer 3.73's 06/11/11
14.56 @ 93.6 2.13 Street Tires Sac NEIGHT 86 LX Hatch Stock, Longtubes, 3.73's 04/14/12
15.52 @ 89.0 2.49 Street Tires Sac jmcclesk 90GT 100% Stock w/AOD 2:73's 04/04/12
quote:it isn't lack of knowledge it's real world facts.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:put me in those cars and i bet you money i go faster than they do! driver & tires make a big difference. again you lack of knowledge shows.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:I can give him an equal amount of timeslips of slow ass 302's with alot of work done.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
My 91 coupe with H/C/I, full exhaust, all the bolt ons, slicks & skinnies, & 3.73's trapped 110. It made 300rwhp/320rwtq too. Granted, I'm not the best gear banger in the world, but I could see a FULLY stock (besides Cold air) fox with 4.10's trapping like 101-102 MAYBE?
14.12 @ 98.6 2.20 Street Tires Infineon FOXX5.0 93 GT Full Exhuast & Pulleys 03/08/12
14.13 @ 95.7 2.06 Nitto NT555RS 275/40/17's Sac coupe5oh 94GT TFS 1 Cobra Intake 1" Spacer Longtubes 3.73's 06/11/11
14.38 @ 96.8 2.25 Bridgestone Street Tires Sac sydewayzlx50 91 Coupe Stock Heads & Cam Edelbrock Performer 3.73's 06/11/11
14.56 @ 93.6 2.13 Street Tires Sac NEIGHT 86 LX Hatch Stock, Longtubes, 3.73's 04/14/12
15.52 @ 89.0 2.49 Street Tires Sac jmcclesk 90GT 100% Stock w/AOD 2:73's 04/04/12
quote:Isnt it funny now that the camaro is back and is owning the mustang in sales?
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:no it's is not! in you opinion it is better. they fact the they didn't sell a 03 goes a long way to show they weren't better.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:The fox jock's sound like paid advertisements! Jesus fucking christ, I have owned three mustangs and an f-body and a few other useless cars.
Originally posted by Robb:
Camaro:
Better interior
Better trans.. both auto and manual
Better gas mileage
Better handling
Better motor
better brakes
better suspension
AC
traction control
5 lugs stock
Fox:
Better rear end
Looks are youre own opinion.
And I can tell you by far, the fox is not the nicer car.
@Warhorse, who gives a shit about timeslips? The F-Body is better, PLAIN & SIMPLE. Theres nothing too it, really there isn't. I don't care how you "gimped" a mustang. Good job! It's still not as nice.
quote:just stop trying to convince ford guys that the camaro is better or a ls1 is better
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
All hes trying to do is convince me, that a stock 302 built properly will scrape a stock camaro.
How about a properly built stock camaro? The same thing applies because it has more power simple.
quote:i don't need to prove anything i already have prove that a stock heads, cam, intake, tb, already went 11.80. glad he is fully built with his change in shocks and what not. go read a rule book on what he can change out. he runs stock elim. again your lack of knowledge is showing.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
All hes trying to do is convince me, that a stock 302 built properly will scrape a stock camaro.
How about a properly built stock camaro? The same thing applies because it has more power simple.
quote:Im going to need to see a video of this 11.80 pass.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:i don't need to prove anything i already have prove that a stock heads, cam, intake, tb, already went 11.80. glad he is fully built with his change in shocks and what not. go read a rule book on what he can change out. he runs stock elim. again your lack of knowledge is showing.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
All hes trying to do is convince me, that a stock 302 built properly will scrape a stock camaro.
How about a properly built stock camaro? The same thing applies because it has more power simple.
quote:wrong again. try a new gt 1000 or the track only 1200hp version of the gt 1000! damn mustangs.
Originally posted by Robb:
Corvette Z06> Anything ford has ever put out besides the Ford GT
quote:easy to get big sales when you haven't made a car in 10 years.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Isnt it funny now that the camaro is back and is owning the mustang in sales?
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:no it's is not! in you opinion it is better. they fact the they didn't sell a 03 goes a long way to show they weren't better.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:The fox jock's sound like paid advertisements! Jesus fucking christ, I have owned three mustangs and an f-body and a few other useless cars.
Originally posted by Robb:
Camaro:
Better interior
Better trans.. both auto and manual
Better gas mileage
Better handling
Better motor
better brakes
better suspension
AC
traction control
5 lugs stock
Fox:
Better rear end
Looks are youre own opinion.
And I can tell you by far, the fox is not the nicer car.
@Warhorse, who gives a shit about timeslips? The F-Body is better, PLAIN & SIMPLE. Theres nothing too it, really there isn't. I don't care how you "gimped" a mustang. Good job! It's still not as nice.
Also there wasnt an 00 or 02 cobra. They must suck
quote:alrite so is there a chevy built better than a ford gt?
Originally posted by Robb:
Corvette Z06> Anything ford has ever put out besides the Ford GT
quote:Robb, they are not lying about the 11.80, this is true. The car has SUBSTANTIAL weight reduction, good suspension, full exhaust, & I'm pretty sure a VERY healthy cam with stock lift. If I'm not mistaken, there are other Mustangs in that same class that are even faster, but not local.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Im going to need to see a video of this 11.80 pass.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:i don't need to prove anything i already have prove that a stock heads, cam, intake, tb, already went 11.80. glad he is fully built with his change in shocks and what not. go read a rule book on what he can change out. he runs stock elim. again your lack of knowledge is showing.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
All hes trying to do is convince me, that a stock 302 built properly will scrape a stock camaro.
How about a properly built stock camaro? The same thing applies because it has more power simple.
Because guess what? my fbody went 10.3 with a lid and exhaust at 129!
quote:those are beasts
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:wrong again. try a new gt 1000 or the track only 1200hp version of the gt 1000! damn mustangs.
Originally posted by Robb:
Corvette Z06> Anything ford has ever put out besides the Ford GT
quote:no it is your lack of knowledge. 100% sure of that. come to the track i'll have my buddy bring my old coupe. it has headers only, cats tired old 180k bone stock motor and runs 13.5's with bald ass 225 with cords showing. when you get to the track you will see all you godly ls1 running 13-14's so it will be a win win for you!
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:it isn't lack of knowledge it's real world facts.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:put me in those cars and i bet you money i go faster than they do! driver & tires make a big difference. again you lack of knowledge shows.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:I can give him an equal amount of timeslips of slow ass 302's with alot of work done.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
My 91 coupe with H/C/I, full exhaust, all the bolt ons, slicks & skinnies, & 3.73's trapped 110. It made 300rwhp/320rwtq too. Granted, I'm not the best gear banger in the world, but I could see a FULLY stock (besides Cold air) fox with 4.10's trapping like 101-102 MAYBE?
14.12 @ 98.6 2.20 Street Tires Infineon FOXX5.0 93 GT Full Exhuast & Pulleys 03/08/12
14.13 @ 95.7 2.06 Nitto NT555RS 275/40/17's Sac coupe5oh 94GT TFS 1 Cobra Intake 1" Spacer Longtubes 3.73's 06/11/11
14.38 @ 96.8 2.25 Bridgestone Street Tires Sac sydewayzlx50 91 Coupe Stock Heads & Cam Edelbrock Performer 3.73's 06/11/11
14.56 @ 93.6 2.13 Street Tires Sac NEIGHT 86 LX Hatch Stock, Longtubes, 3.73's 04/14/12
15.52 @ 89.0 2.49 Street Tires Sac jmcclesk 90GT 100% Stock w/AOD 2:73's 04/04/12
quote:Ok... As much as I have been praising the 4th gen F-Body in this thread, I will NEVER agree with you about the new Camaro. Those cars are so FUGLY, heavy as shit, & NEVER impressive, especially in stock trim. If you wanna buy a bulky GM with power, why not buy a CTS-V instead? My 4 door Cadi is lighter than a 5th gen Camaro BTW
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Isnt it funny now that the camaro is back and is owning the mustang in sales?
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:no it's is not! in you opinion it is better. they fact the they didn't sell a 03 goes a long way to show they weren't better.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:The fox jock's sound like paid advertisements! Jesus fucking christ, I have owned three mustangs and an f-body and a few other useless cars.
Originally posted by Robb:
Camaro:
Better interior
Better trans.. both auto and manual
Better gas mileage
Better handling
Better motor
better brakes
better suspension
AC
traction control
5 lugs stock
Fox:
Better rear end
Looks are youre own opinion.
And I can tell you by far, the fox is not the nicer car.
@Warhorse, who gives a shit about timeslips? The F-Body is better, PLAIN & SIMPLE. Theres nothing too it, really there isn't. I don't care how you "gimped" a mustang. Good job! It's still not as nice.
Also there wasnt an 00 or 02 cobra. They must suck
quote:So its not so stock then?
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:Robb, they are not lying about the 11.80, this is true. The car has SUBSTANTIAL weight reduction, good suspension, full exhaust, & I'm pretty sure a VERY healthy cam with stock lift. If I'm not mistaken, there are other Mustangs in that same class that are even faster, but not local.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Im going to need to see a video of this 11.80 pass.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:i don't need to prove anything i already have prove that a stock heads, cam, intake, tb, already went 11.80. glad he is fully built with his change in shocks and what not. go read a rule book on what he can change out. he runs stock elim. again your lack of knowledge is showing.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
All hes trying to do is convince me, that a stock 302 built properly will scrape a stock camaro.
How about a properly built stock camaro? The same thing applies because it has more power simple.
Because guess what? my fbody went 10.3 with a lid and exhaust at 129!
quote:I was just trolling there. I cant stand that big lump of crap. As soon as i sat in one.. i was like wtf..It surprises me that its selling so well
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:Ok... As much as I have been praising the 4th gen F-Body in this thread, I will NEVER agree with you about the new Camaro. Those cars are so FUGLY, heavy as shit, & NEVER impressive, especially in stock trim. If you wanna buy a bulky GM with power, why not buy a CTS-V instead? My 4 door Cadi is lighter than a 5th gen Camaro BTW
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Isnt it funny now that the camaro is back and is owning the mustang in sales?
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:no it's is not! in you opinion it is better. they fact the they didn't sell a 03 goes a long way to show they weren't better.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:The fox jock's sound like paid advertisements! Jesus fucking christ, I have owned three mustangs and an f-body and a few other useless cars.
Originally posted by Robb:
Camaro:
Better interior
Better trans.. both auto and manual
Better gas mileage
Better handling
Better motor
better brakes
better suspension
AC
traction control
5 lugs stock
Fox:
Better rear end
Looks are youre own opinion.
And I can tell you by far, the fox is not the nicer car.
@Warhorse, who gives a shit about timeslips? The F-Body is better, PLAIN & SIMPLE. Theres nothing too it, really there isn't. I don't care how you "gimped" a mustang. Good job! It's still not as nice.
Also there wasnt an 00 or 02 cobra. They must suck
quote:look at the 60 ft on all those times.....
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:no it is your lack of knowledge. 100% sure of that. come to the track i'll have my buddy bring my old coupe. it has headers only, cats tired old 180k bone stock motor and runs 13.5's with bald ass 225 with cords showing. when you get to the track you will see all you godly ls1 running 13-14's so it will be a win win for you!
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:it isn't lack of knowledge it's real world facts.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:put me in those cars and i bet you money i go faster than they do! driver & tires make a big difference. again you lack of knowledge shows.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:I can give him an equal amount of timeslips of slow ass 302's with alot of work done.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
My 91 coupe with H/C/I, full exhaust, all the bolt ons, slicks & skinnies, & 3.73's trapped 110. It made 300rwhp/320rwtq too. Granted, I'm not the best gear banger in the world, but I could see a FULLY stock (besides Cold air) fox with 4.10's trapping like 101-102 MAYBE?
14.12 @ 98.6 2.20 Street Tires Infineon FOXX5.0 93 GT Full Exhuast & Pulleys 03/08/12
14.13 @ 95.7 2.06 Nitto NT555RS 275/40/17's Sac coupe5oh 94GT TFS 1 Cobra Intake 1" Spacer Longtubes 3.73's 06/11/11
14.38 @ 96.8 2.25 Bridgestone Street Tires Sac sydewayzlx50 91 Coupe Stock Heads & Cam Edelbrock Performer 3.73's 06/11/11
14.56 @ 93.6 2.13 Street Tires Sac NEIGHT 86 LX Hatch Stock, Longtubes, 3.73's 04/14/12
15.52 @ 89.0 2.49 Street Tires Sac jmcclesk 90GT 100% Stock w/AOD 2:73's 04/04/12
quote:So if youre arguing that putting a good driver in those cars would substantially lower the times, Wouldnt it be fair to put those good drivers in ls1's running 13s/14s?
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:look at the 60 ft on all those times.....
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:no it is your lack of knowledge. 100% sure of that. come to the track i'll have my buddy bring my old coupe. it has headers only, cats tired old 180k bone stock motor and runs 13.5's with bald ass 225 with cords showing. when you get to the track you will see all you godly ls1 running 13-14's so it will be a win win for you!
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:it isn't lack of knowledge it's real world facts.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:put me in those cars and i bet you money i go faster than they do! driver & tires make a big difference. again you lack of knowledge shows.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:I can give him an equal amount of timeslips of slow ass 302's with alot of work done.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
My 91 coupe with H/C/I, full exhaust, all the bolt ons, slicks & skinnies, & 3.73's trapped 110. It made 300rwhp/320rwtq too. Granted, I'm not the best gear banger in the world, but I could see a FULLY stock (besides Cold air) fox with 4.10's trapping like 101-102 MAYBE?
14.12 @ 98.6 2.20 Street Tires Infineon FOXX5.0 93 GT Full Exhuast & Pulleys 03/08/12
14.13 @ 95.7 2.06 Nitto NT555RS 275/40/17's Sac coupe5oh 94GT TFS 1 Cobra Intake 1" Spacer Longtubes 3.73's 06/11/11
14.38 @ 96.8 2.25 Bridgestone Street Tires Sac sydewayzlx50 91 Coupe Stock Heads & Cam Edelbrock Performer 3.73's 06/11/11
14.56 @ 93.6 2.13 Street Tires Sac NEIGHT 86 LX Hatch Stock, Longtubes, 3.73's 04/14/12
15.52 @ 89.0 2.49 Street Tires Sac jmcclesk 90GT 100% Stock w/AOD 2:73's 04/04/12
whay a noob for posting that
clealry a a good driver would put put those cars through the traps quicker
quote:omg stop it. you are just trolling now. so it's ok for your ls1 to have "bolt on's" tune, lids and what not and still claim stock. but he can't change his shocks? read the rules books you might learn something.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:So its not so stock then?
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:Robb, they are not lying about the 11.80, this is true. The car has SUBSTANTIAL weight reduction, good suspension, full exhaust, & I'm pretty sure a VERY healthy cam with stock lift. If I'm not mistaken, there are other Mustangs in that same class that are even faster, but not local.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Im going to need to see a video of this 11.80 pass.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:i don't need to prove anything i already have prove that a stock heads, cam, intake, tb, already went 11.80. glad he is fully built with his change in shocks and what not. go read a rule book on what he can change out. he runs stock elim. again your lack of knowledge is showing.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
All hes trying to do is convince me, that a stock 302 built properly will scrape a stock camaro.
How about a properly built stock camaro? The same thing applies because it has more power simple.
Because guess what? my fbody went 10.3 with a lid and exhaust at 129!
quote:congratulations, my brother in laws `02 z28 has 62k miles on it, and it's killed the drivers regulator twice, the passengers once, the controls for the windows on the drivers side keep breaking out of the door, the cd changer died at 40k miles, the t-tops leak every other time he takes them off, the flexplate has broken once, the starter case cracked once, and the rear end had to be replaced because the diff munched itself while going down the highway...
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Another bogus statement. My fbody had both original window motors when i had it at 180k.
Originally posted by Blind:
at least foxbodys don't have a regular window regulator replacement schedule or else have the windows fall down off their tracks once a week...
oh and my ac worked and my hood didnt fly up.
and i also had a cup holder
quote:yea n im sure a similar effect would happen?
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:So if youre arguing that putting a good driver in those cars would substantially lower the times, Wouldnt it be fair to put those good drivers in ls1's running 13s/14s?
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:look at the 60 ft on all those times.....
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:no it is your lack of knowledge. 100% sure of that. come to the track i'll have my buddy bring my old coupe. it has headers only, cats tired old 180k bone stock motor and runs 13.5's with bald ass 225 with cords showing. when you get to the track you will see all you godly ls1 running 13-14's so it will be a win win for you!
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:it isn't lack of knowledge it's real world facts.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:put me in those cars and i bet you money i go faster than they do! driver & tires make a big difference. again you lack of knowledge shows.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:I can give him an equal amount of timeslips of slow ass 302's with alot of work done.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
My 91 coupe with H/C/I, full exhaust, all the bolt ons, slicks & skinnies, & 3.73's trapped 110. It made 300rwhp/320rwtq too. Granted, I'm not the best gear banger in the world, but I could see a FULLY stock (besides Cold air) fox with 4.10's trapping like 101-102 MAYBE?
14.12 @ 98.6 2.20 Street Tires Infineon FOXX5.0 93 GT Full Exhuast & Pulleys 03/08/12
14.13 @ 95.7 2.06 Nitto NT555RS 275/40/17's Sac coupe5oh 94GT TFS 1 Cobra Intake 1" Spacer Longtubes 3.73's 06/11/11
14.38 @ 96.8 2.25 Bridgestone Street Tires Sac sydewayzlx50 91 Coupe Stock Heads & Cam Edelbrock Performer 3.73's 06/11/11
14.56 @ 93.6 2.13 Street Tires Sac NEIGHT 86 LX Hatch Stock, Longtubes, 3.73's 04/14/12
15.52 @ 89.0 2.49 Street Tires Sac jmcclesk 90GT 100% Stock w/AOD 2:73's 04/04/12
whay a noob for posting that
clealry a a good driver would put put those cars through the traps quicker
quote:A camaro still has stock h/c/i with lid, u/p, exhaust?
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:omg stop it. you are just trolling now. so it's ok for your ls1 to have "bolt on's" tune, lids and what not and still claim stock. but he can't change his shocks? read the rules books you might learn something.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:So its not so stock then?
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
quote:Robb, they are not lying about the 11.80, this is true. The car has SUBSTANTIAL weight reduction, good suspension, full exhaust, & I'm pretty sure a VERY healthy cam with stock lift. If I'm not mistaken, there are other Mustangs in that same class that are even faster, but not local.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Im going to need to see a video of this 11.80 pass.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:i don't need to prove anything i already have prove that a stock heads, cam, intake, tb, already went 11.80. glad he is fully built with his change in shocks and what not. go read a rule book on what he can change out. he runs stock elim. again your lack of knowledge is showing.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
All hes trying to do is convince me, that a stock 302 built properly will scrape a stock camaro.
How about a properly built stock camaro? The same thing applies because it has more power simple.
Because guess what? my fbody went 10.3 with a lid and exhaust at 129!
all that matters is this 11.80 stock h/c/i, tb. must be fully built.
quote:Every brand has its lemons. Look at those 2011 gts blowing transmissions and blowing 8 CYL with barely any miles on them.
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:congratulations, my brother in laws `02 z28 has 62k miles on it, and it's killed the drivers regulator twice, the passengers once, the controls for the windows on the drivers side keep breaking out of the door, the cd changer died at 40k miles, the t-tops leak every other time he takes them off, the flexplate has broken once, the starter case cracked once, and the rear end had to be replaced because the diff munched itself while going down the highway...
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Another bogus statement. My fbody had both original window motors when i had it at 180k.
Originally posted by Blind:
at least foxbodys don't have a regular window regulator replacement schedule or else have the windows fall down off their tracks once a week...
oh and my ac worked and my hood didnt fly up.
and i also had a cup holder
quote:Your just dumb, let me go pick the best of the best I can find on youtube then
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:yea n im sure a similar effect would happen?
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:So if youre arguing that putting a good driver in those cars would substantially lower the times, Wouldnt it be fair to put those good drivers in ls1's running 13s/14s?
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
quote:look at the 60 ft on all those times.....
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:no it is your lack of knowledge. 100% sure of that. come to the track i'll have my buddy bring my old coupe. it has headers only, cats tired old 180k bone stock motor and runs 13.5's with bald ass 225 with cords showing. when you get to the track you will see all you godly ls1 running 13-14's so it will be a win win for you!
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:it isn't lack of knowledge it's real world facts.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:put me in those cars and i bet you money i go faster than they do! driver & tires make a big difference. again you lack of knowledge shows.
Originally posted by Wrenchin:
quote:I can give him an equal amount of timeslips of slow ass 302's with alot of work done.
Originally posted by *EPIK*:
My 91 coupe with H/C/I, full exhaust, all the bolt ons, slicks & skinnies, & 3.73's trapped 110. It made 300rwhp/320rwtq too. Granted, I'm not the best gear banger in the world, but I could see a FULLY stock (besides Cold air) fox with 4.10's trapping like 101-102 MAYBE?
14.12 @ 98.6 2.20 Street Tires Infineon FOXX5.0 93 GT Full Exhuast & Pulleys 03/08/12
14.13 @ 95.7 2.06 Nitto NT555RS 275/40/17's Sac coupe5oh 94GT TFS 1 Cobra Intake 1" Spacer Longtubes 3.73's 06/11/11
14.38 @ 96.8 2.25 Bridgestone Street Tires Sac sydewayzlx50 91 Coupe Stock Heads & Cam Edelbrock Performer 3.73's 06/11/11
14.56 @ 93.6 2.13 Street Tires Sac NEIGHT 86 LX Hatch Stock, Longtubes, 3.73's 04/14/12
15.52 @ 89.0 2.49 Street Tires Sac jmcclesk 90GT 100% Stock w/AOD 2:73's 04/04/12
whay a noob for posting that
clealry a a good driver would put put those cars through the traps quicker
quote:Im just playing around with all the different directions this is being taken in lol. Next itll probably be fasted gutted race car.
Originally posted by 04 S281:
So... we went from comparing showroom stock to showroom stock, and now we're talking about what would qualify for stock eliminator class? It has weight reduction, suspension, tires, etc etc... oh but it's "stock" because that's what the rule book says?
Doesn't change the fact the 4th gen F-body has a better motor, better chassis, better suspension design, and better transmission than a Foxbody.
Motor to Motor: when do you seen stock unopened longblock smogable 302's with cam only pumping out 400rwhp on pump gas?
Chassis to Chassis: Do F-bodies need full length subframe connectors? Do they rip their own torque boxes?
Suspension: How many cars of ANY MAKE and MODEL do you see CONVERTING to the inverted Macpherson front strut, or 4-link rear end design found in a Fox? How many Mustangs do you see converting to panhard rod/torque arm and Short/Long Arm front?
Transmission: How often do Viper and Vette and Cobra R owners ditch that weak T-56 and put in a manly T-45?
The F-body isn't perfect. It's pig heavy, most of the car besides the drivetrain is put together like crap. The dinky 10-bolt rearend is weak. and it's got love-it or hate-it looks... and in the end I wouldn't own one. I can however acknowledge it's strengths.
quote:+1!
Originally posted by 04 S281:
So... we went from comparing showroom stock to showroom stock, and now we're talking about what would qualify for stock eliminator class? It has weight reduction, suspension, tires, etc etc... oh but it's "stock" because that's what the rule book says?
Doesn't change the fact the 4th gen F-body has a better motor, better chassis, better suspension design, and better transmission than a Foxbody.
Motor to Motor: when do you seen stock unopened longblock smogable 302's with cam only pumping out 400rwhp on pump gas?
Chassis to Chassis: Do F-bodies need full length subframe connectors? Do they rip their own torque boxes?
Suspension: How many cars of ANY MAKE and MODEL do you see CONVERTING to the inverted Macpherson front strut, or 4-link rear end design found in a Fox? How many Mustangs do you see converting to panhard rod/torque arm and Short/Long Arm front?
Transmission: How often do Viper and Vette and Cobra R owners ditch that weak T-56 and put in a manly T-45?
The F-body isn't perfect. It's pig heavy, most of the car besides the drivetrain is put together like crap. The dinky 10-bolt rearend is weak. and it's got love-it or hate-it looks... and in the end I wouldn't own one. I can however acknowledge it's strengths.
quote:I laughed hard !!! Lol
Originally posted by Robb:
I swear some fox mustang owners are so full of themselves, if their fox body had a dildo attached to the front of the car, they would probably sit on it and be their own hood ornament.
quote:well we know you already have the ls1 version.
Originally posted by Robb:
I swear some fox mustang owners are so full of themselves, if their fox body had a dildo attached to the front of the car, they would probably sit on it and be their own hood ornament.
quote:Lol-
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:well we know you already have the ls1 version.
Originally posted by Robb:
I swear some fox mustang owners are so full of themselves, if their fox body had a dildo attached to the front of the car, they would probably sit on it and be their own hood ornament.
You guys crack me up .
quote:That's why you got two. :]
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:well we know you already have the ls1 version.
Originally posted by Robb:
I swear some fox mustang owners are so full of themselves, if their fox body had a dildo attached to the front of the car, they would probably sit on it and be their own hood ornament.
quote:Nice try but Im not a brand nut hugger. I like imports, mustangs, fbodies, corvettes, trucks.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:well we know you already have the ls1 version.
Originally posted by Robb:
I swear some fox mustang owners are so full of themselves, if their fox body had a dildo attached to the front of the car, they would probably sit on it and be their own hood ornament.
quote:I work for a ford dealership(truckshop) and I've replaced 4 engines in the last 6 months with less then 15k miles on them 2 6.8s and 2 5.4s. 2 of these engines had less than 5k not even the 1st oil change. 1 of my coworkers has done a bunch of them too. All I'm saying here is shit happens lol... A friend of mine went through a bunch of shit in his old 06 gto and got it lemoned...
Originally posted by Robb:
Every brand has its lemons. Look at those 2011 gts blowing transmissions and blowing 8 CYL with barely any miles on them.
quote:jesus. Why is ford putting out stuff that is failing so early. You think they'd catch this type of stuff.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
quote:I work for a ford dealership(truckshop) and I've replaced 4 engines in the last 6 months with less then 15k miles on them 2 6.8s and 2 5.4s. 2 of these engines had less than 5k not even the 1st oil change. 1 of my coworkers has done a bunch of them too. All I'm saying here is shit happens lol... A friend of mine went through a bunch of shit in his old 06 gto and got it lemoned...
Originally posted by Robb:
Every brand has its lemons. Look at those 2011 gts blowing transmissions and blowing 8 CYL with barely any miles on them.
quote:Gotta love Ford sometimes... lol
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
They're having a problem with rapid oil consumption. I got 2 bad reman 6.8s in a row, that was a bit frustrating to deal with.
quote:
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Nice try but Im not a brand nut hugger. I like imports, mustangs, fbodies, corvettes, trucks.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:well we know you already have the ls1 version.
Originally posted by Robb:
I swear some fox mustang owners are so full of themselves, if their fox body had a dildo attached to the front of the car, they would probably sit on it and be their own hood ornament.
Damn after having 4 Foxbodies in my driveway at once, wish I would've had a Camaro in there. Would've looked nice !
Very good looking Camaro though., it looks like it had an SS wing ? What was the color, it looks green.... Very nice
ps.. damn it was fun washing 2 cars at once
quote:Yeah, i blacked out the back panel, put an ss wing on it. The color is similar to mystichrome, It was called mystic teal. Very beautful color when waxed up and would like to find a nice lower mileage one to mess around with someday
Originally posted by RONIN:
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Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Nice try but Im not a brand nut hugger. I like imports, mustangs, fbodies, corvettes, trucks.
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:well we know you already have the ls1 version.
Originally posted by Robb:
I swear some fox mustang owners are so full of themselves, if their fox body had a dildo attached to the front of the car, they would probably sit on it and be their own hood ornament.
Damn after having 4 Foxbodies in my driveway at once, wish I would've had a Camaro in there. Would've looked nice !
Very good looking Camaro though., it looks like it had an SS wing ? What was the color, it looks green.... Very nice
ps.. damn it was fun washing 2 cars at once
quote:Lol, yea they are badass. I like them, don't care what other folks might say. The SS wing and hood really make a z28 look sick. Why buy an SS when you can just get a Z and swap the SS exterior parts. Looks tight though
Originally posted by Robb:
Damn i loved that cars ass. If only i couldve gotten the cme for it. I had bassani tips i was going to swap but sold the car a few weeks later
I want another one now.
quote:Lt1 bruh
Originally posted by 2T0NE:
LS1BRUH!
quote:lol good luck on that! you are going to get crickets.
Originally posted by 86- 50:
I don't know if I missed it, but what did wrenching and robb run with there own camaro's. You two need to go to the track and see in person how many slow ass camaro's are out there most the time with a lot of mods, and get off YouTube.
quote:your putting reman in car with less then 12k an year old.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
They're having a problem with rapid oil consumption. I got 2 bad reman 6.8s in a row, that was a bit frustrating to deal with.
quote:Lol at owning an Intrepid
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
robb you said, "Nice try but Im not a brand nut hugger. I like imports, mustangs, fbodies, corvettes, trucks"
you don't have a clue about me and what i own. need me to take a pic of my cars at my house? i can. what you will see a 83gt IT RUNS 9'S BOI! 04 tacoma, my dd 2000 m series roadster hard top vert 50k miles, 83 capri rs, 77 cobra 2, 72 demon 5.7 hemi swap, and the worst of the bunch, 02 interpid. but i'm just a ford nut swinger. your lack of knowledge on cars and my life is laughable at best!
ps. i don't wash all my cars at the same time. it would take all day.
quote:something we both can agree on! haha atleast i didn't pay for it. it was giving to my wife as her first car.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:Lol at owning an Intrepid
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
robb you said, "Nice try but Im not a brand nut hugger. I like imports, mustangs, fbodies, corvettes, trucks"
you don't have a clue about me and what i own. need me to take a pic of my cars at my house? i can. what you will see a 83gt IT RUNS 9'S BOI! 04 tacoma, my dd 2000 m series roadster hard top vert 50k miles, 83 capri rs, 77 cobra 2, 72 demon 5.7 hemi swap, and the worst of the bunch, 02 interpid. but i'm just a ford nut swinger. your lack of knowledge on cars and my life is laughable at best!
ps. i don't wash all my cars at the same time. it would take all day.
quote:she got lucky on her's. she got it with 10k. it has 116k now. only thing that has went bad, is the shifter pack in the trans. but now that i said that, i'm sure it will blow up tomorrow.
Originally posted by Robb:
I bought one of those thinking it would be a decent daily driver and that big pile of crap had everything go wrong with it in 2 weeks from engine problems to electrical problems to suspension problems. Jesus
quote:That was another time with customer pay. Ford sends new engines when the vehicle is under warranty.
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:your putting reman in car with less then 12k an year old.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
They're having a problem with rapid oil consumption. I got 2 bad reman 6.8s in a row, that was a bit frustrating to deal with.
quote:If i were you, id change that internal water pump before it starts seeping(if it hasnt already). Apparently Dodge decided it would be a good idea to put in a internal waterpump that fails prematurely and people dont even realize it until their motor is knocking.. lol
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:she got lucky on her's. she got it with 10k. it has 116k now. only thing that has went bad, is the shifter pack in the trans. but now that i said that, i'm sure it will blow up tomorrow.
Originally posted by Robb:
I bought one of those thinking it would be a decent daily driver and that big pile of crap had everything go wrong with it in 2 weeks from engine problems to electrical problems to suspension problems. Jesus
quote:rotflmfao at lt1.. Big ass paper weight
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
quote:Lt1 bruh
Originally posted by 2T0NE:
LS1BRUH!
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quote:only if its 12k 12motnhs the get a new engine or trans.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
quote:That was another time with customer pay. Ford sends new engines when the vehicle is under warranty.
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:your putting reman in car with less then 12k an year old.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
They're having a problem with rapid oil consumption. I got 2 bad reman 6.8s in a row, that was a bit frustrating to deal with.
quote:nope. not going to do it. haha it's my out. i have tried to get rid of it and she won't let me. so if it just happens to go bad and blow up.. that is all win for me.
Originally posted by Robb:
quote:If i were you, id change that internal water pump before it starts seeping(if it hasnt already). Apparently Dodge decided it would be a good idea to put in a internal waterpump that fails prematurely and people dont even realize it until their motor is knocking.. lol
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:she got lucky on her's. she got it with 10k. it has 116k now. only thing that has went bad, is the shifter pack in the trans. but now that i said that, i'm sure it will blow up tomorrow.
Originally posted by Robb:
I bought one of those thinking it would be a decent daily driver and that big pile of crap had everything go wrong with it in 2 weeks from engine problems to electrical problems to suspension problems. Jesus
quote:Not to sure, those are the only 1s I've had to R/R under warranty, I usually get customer pay.
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:only if its 12k 12motnhs the get a new engine or trans.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
quote:That was another time with customer pay. Ford sends new engines when the vehicle is under warranty.
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:your putting reman in car with less then 12k an year old.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
They're having a problem with rapid oil consumption. I got 2 bad reman 6.8s in a row, that was a bit frustrating to deal with.
quote:i have worked for ford many years.an the reman suck balls had focus engine lock in my stall after let run for a half hour
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
quote:Not to sure, those are the only 1s I've had to R/R under warranty, I usually get customer pay.
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:only if its 12k 12motnhs the get a new engine or trans.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
quote:That was another time with customer pay. Ford sends new engines when the vehicle is under warranty.
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:your putting reman in car with less then 12k an year old.
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
They're having a problem with rapid oil consumption. I got 2 bad reman 6.8s in a row, that was a bit frustrating to deal with.
quote:to ba not for that remans them its a out side company that does it for them
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
I got a bad reman alt the other day
quote:Guarenteed Parts Defective
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch:
quote:to ba not for that remans them its a out side company that does it for them
Originally posted by 02angrybird:
I got a bad reman alt the other day
quote:Better interior? Serious? Wow its some of the shittiest, most uncomfortable interior ive ever sat in. Theyre fast yes, but fuck was the inside ugly
Originally posted by Robb:
Camaro:
Better interior
Better trans.. both auto and manual
Better gas mileage
Better handling
Better motor
better brakes
better suspension
AC
traction control
5 lugs stock
Fox:
Better rear end
Looks are youre own opinion.
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