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<table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="99%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#000000"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"> <tr bgcolor="#000099"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="2" color="#ffffff" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>T O P I C R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>WildFire532FB</b> <br /><small>Member # 1482</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,18,22,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Hell yeah! Our 2nd Amendment Rights are upheld!<br /><br />[QUOTE=PolishMike;5641099]Just got this email from a distributor -<br /><br />Just in AB962 Is dead. Judge Hamilton over ruled it.<br />Finally someone in California with some common sense!!!!!!!!<br /><br />==========<br />Official announcement from legal team shortly.<br /><br />ETA -<br /><br />[COLOR="Red"]<b>COURT GRANTS NRA / CRPA FOUNDATION MOTION, INVALIDATES UNCONSTITUTIONAL AMMUNITION REGULATION STATUTE THAT WOULD HAVE BANNED MAIL ORDER AMMO SALES & REQUIRED AMMO SALES REGISTRATION </b>[/COLOR]<br /> <br />In a dramatic ruling giving gun owners a win in an National Rifle Association / California Rifle and Pistol (CRPA) Foundation lawsuit, this morning Fresno Superior Court Judge Jeffrey Hamilton ruled that AB 962, the hotly contested statute that would have banned mail order ammunition sales and required all purchases of so called “handgun ammunition” to be registered, was unconstitutionally vague on its face. The Court enjoined enforcement of the statute, so mail order ammunition sales to California can continue unabated, and ammunition sales need not be registered under the law.<br /> <br />The lawsuit was prompted in part by the many objections and questions raised by confused police, ammunition purchasers, and sellers about what ammunition is covered by the new laws created by AB 962. In a highly unusual move that reflects growing law enforcement opposition to ineffective gun control laws, Tehama County Sheriff Clay Parker is the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit. Other plaintiffs include the CRPA Foundation, Herb Bauer Sporting Goods, ammunition shipper Able’s Ammo, collectible ammunition shipper RTG Sporting Collectibles, and individual Steven Stonecipher. Mendocino Sheriff Tom Allman also supported the lawsuit.<br /> <br />The ruling comes just days before the portion of the law that bans mail order sales of so called “handgun ammunition” was set to take effect on February 1, 2011. The lawsuit, <i>Parker v. California</i> is funded exclusively by the NRA and the CRPA Foundation. If it had gone into effect, AB 962 would have imposed burdensome and ill conceived restrictions on the sales of ammunition. AB 962 required that “handgun ammunition” be stored out of the reach of customers, that ammunition vendors collect ammunition sales registration information and thumb-prints from purchasers, and conduct transactions face-to-face for all deliveries and transfers of “handgun ammunition.” The lawsuit successfully sought the declaration from the Court that the statute was unconstitutional, and successfully sought the injunctive relief prohibiting law enforcement from enforcing the new laws.<br /> <br />The lawsuit alleged, and the Court agreed, that AB 962 is unconstitutionally vague on its face because it fails to provide sufficient legal notice of what ammunition cartridges are “principally for use in a handgun,” and thus is considered “handgun ammunition” that is regulated under AB 962. It is practically impossible, both for those subject to the law and for those who must enforce it, to determine whether any of the thousands of different types of ammunition cartridges that can be used in handguns are actually “principally for use in” or used more often in, a handgun. The proportional usage of any given cartridge is impossible to determine, and in any event changes with market demands. In fact, the legislature itself is well aware of the vagueness problem with AB 962's definition of "handgun ammunition" and tried to redefine it via AB 2358 in 2010. AB 2358 failed in the face of opposition from the NRA and CRPA based on the proposal’s many other nonsensical infringements on ammunition sales to law abiding citizens.<br /> <br />Constitutional vagueness challenges to state laws are extremely difficult to win, particularly in California firearms litigation so this success is particularly noteworthy. Even so, an appeal by the State is likely, but the Court’s Order enjoining enforcement of the law is effective – February 1, 2011 – immediately regardless.<br /> <br />Despite this win for common sense over ill-conceived and counter productive gun laws, additional legislation on this and related subjects will no doubt be proposed in Sacramento this legislative session. It is absolutely critical that those who believe in the right to keep and bear arms stay informed and make their voices heard in Sacramento. When AB 962 passed there was loud outcry from law abiding gun owners impacted by the new law. Those voices must be heard <i>during </i>the legislative session and <i>before</i> a proposed law passes, not after a law is signed. To help, sign up for legislative alerts at [url= http://"http://www.nraila.com,/"][COLOR=blue]www.nraila.com[/COLOR][/url] and [url= http://"http://www.calnra.com/"][COLOR=blue]www.calnra.com[/COLOR][/url] and respond when called upon.<br /> <br />Seventeen years ago the NRA and CRPA joined forces to fight local gun bans being written and pushed in California by the gun ban lobby. Their coordinated efforts became the NRA/CRPA "Local Ordinance Project" (LOP) - a statewide campaign to fight ill conceived local efforts at gun control and educate politicians about available programs that are effective in reducing accidents and violence without infringing on the rights of law-abiding gun owners. The NRA/CRPA LOP has had tremendous success in beating back most of these anti-self-defense proposals.<br /> <br />In addition to fighting local gun bans, for decades the NRA has been litigating dozens of cases in California courts to promote the right to self-defense and the 2nd Amendment. In the post Heller and McDonaldlegal environment, NRA and CRPA Foundation have formed the NRA/CRPA Foundation Legal Action Project (LAP), a joint venture to pro-actively strike down ill-conceived gun control laws and ordinances and advance the rights of firearms owners, specifically in California. Sometimes, success is more likely when LAP's litigation efforts are kept low profile, so the details of every lawsuit are not always released. To see a partial list of the LAP’s recent accomplishments, or to contribute to the NRA or to the NRA / CRPAF LAP and support this and similar Second Amendment cases, visit [url= http://"http://www.nraila.com/"][COLOR=blue]www.nraila.com[/COLOR][/url] and [url= http://"http://www.crpafoundation.org./"][COLOR=blue]www.crpafoundation.org.[/COLOR][/url][/QUOTE] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>fstryde3</b> <br /><small>Member # 8436</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,18,22,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Well there's some good news for once.<br /> <br /> <small>[ January 19, 2011, 12:34 AM: Message edited by: fstryde3 ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Slowback67</b> <br /><small>Member # 6348</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,18,22,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> It's good to see this was stopped. <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>WildFire532FB</b> <br /><small>Member # 1482</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,18,23,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fstryde3:<br /><strong> Well there's some good news for once. When I order ammo through cabelas they take my name, address, credit card info and email so I don't know why it was such a big deal to ban internet sales. Glad to hear this cause now I can get a box of .45 for 17 bucks online instead of 30+ at the local gun store, boy they sure made a killing by putting fear in people lol. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">you get all your ammo from cabelas? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>v-town coupe</b> <br /><small>Member # 2771</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,18,23,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> just seen this on calguns. fuck yeah! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>warhorse58gt</b> <br /><small>Member # 7702</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,18,23,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> fuck yeah.. best news i heard all day! <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>fstryde3</b> <br /><small>Member # 8436</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,18,23,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by WildFire532FB:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fstryde3:<br /><strong> Well there's some good news for once. When I order ammo through cabelas they take my name, address, credit card info and email so I don't know why it was such a big deal to ban internet sales. Glad to hear this cause now I can get a box of .45 for 17 bucks online instead of 30+ at the local gun store, boy they sure made a killing by putting fear in people lol. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">you get all your ammo from cabelas? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I used to yep prices were good.<br /> <br /> <small>[ January 19, 2011, 12:35 AM: Message edited by: fstryde3 ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>WildFire532FB</b> <br /><small>Member # 1482</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,18,23,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fstryde3:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by WildFire532FB:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fstryde3:<br /><strong> Well there's some good news for once. When I order ammo through cabelas they take my name, address, credit card info and email so I don't know why it was such a big deal to ban internet sales. Glad to hear this cause now I can get a box of .45 for 17 bucks online instead of 30+ at the local gun store, boy they sure made a killing by putting fear in people lol. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">you get all your ammo from cabelas? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I've used pretty much every mail order cabelas, midwayusa, cheaper then dirt etc, I used to go through Sportmans guide but they haven't shipped to CA for a while now, Cabelas usually has decent prices and ammo in stock I take my old lady to the range all the time so it's good to have target ammo on hand. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I haven't ordered ammo online before. MiWall is here in Grass Valley, they don't sell to public but the shooting range next door sells their ammo and its pretty good prices. Thinking about buying ammo online if its cheaper. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>fstryde3</b> <br /><small>Member # 8436</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,18,23,50,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by WildFire532FB:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fstryde3:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by WildFire532FB:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fstryde3:<br /><strong> Well there's some good news for once. When I order ammo through cabelas they take my name, address, credit card info and email so I don't know why it was such a big deal to ban internet sales. Glad to hear this cause now I can get a box of .45 for 17 bucks online instead of 30+ at the local gun store, boy they sure made a killing by putting fear in people lol. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">you get all your ammo from cabelas? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I've used pretty much every mail order cabelas, midwayusa, cheaper then dirt etc, I used to go through Sportmans guide but they haven't shipped to CA for a while now, Cabelas usually has decent prices and ammo in stock I take my old lady to the range all the time so it's good to have target ammo on hand. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I haven't ordered ammo online before. MiWall is here in Grass Valley, they don't sell to public but the shooting range next door sells their ammo and its pretty good prices. Thinking about buying ammo online if its cheaper. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You have to shop around.<br /> <br /> <small>[ January 19, 2011, 12:36 AM: Message edited by: fstryde3 ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>WildFire532FB</b> <br /><small>Member # 1482</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,18,23,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fstryde3:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by WildFire532FB:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fstryde3:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by WildFire532FB:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fstryde3:<br /><strong> Well there's some good news for once. When I order ammo through cabelas they take my name, address, credit card info and email so I don't know why it was such a big deal to ban internet sales. Glad to hear this cause now I can get a box of .45 for 17 bucks online instead of 30+ at the local gun store, boy they sure made a killing by putting fear in people lol. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">you get all your ammo from cabelas? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I've used pretty much every mail order cabelas, midwayusa, cheaper then dirt etc, I used to go through Sportmans guide but they haven't shipped to CA for a while now, Cabelas usually has decent prices and ammo in stock I take my old lady to the range all the time so it's good to have target ammo on hand. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I haven't ordered ammo online before. MiWall is here in Grass Valley, they don't sell to public but the shooting range next door sells their ammo and its pretty good prices. Thinking about buying ammo online if its cheaper. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I've always gone mail order bulk cause it's cheaper to go to the range and fire away, try Cabela's/Midwayusa/Cheaperthendirt/Natchez, shop around it can't hurt to save some coin, I took my girl shooting while back we shot about 1000 rounds that day and it only cost a few hundred bucks through Cabela's. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I just looked at Cabelas and i think i get my ammo cheaper than that. I can't find my damn price guide though. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>fstryde3</b> <br /><small>Member # 8436</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,18,23,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by WildFire532FB:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fstryde3:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by WildFire532FB:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fstryde3:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by WildFire532FB:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fstryde3:<br /><strong> Well there's some good news for once. When I order ammo through cabelas they take my name, address, credit card info and email so I don't know why it was such a big deal to ban internet sales. Glad to hear this cause now I can get a box of .45 for 17 bucks online instead of 30+ at the local gun store, boy they sure made a killing by putting fear in people lol. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">you get all your ammo from cabelas? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I've used pretty much every mail order cabelas, midwayusa, cheaper then dirt etc, I used to go through Sportmans guide but they haven't shipped to CA for a while now, Cabelas usually has decent prices and ammo in stock I take my old lady to the range all the time so it's good to have target ammo on hand. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I haven't ordered ammo online before. MiWall is here in Grass Valley, they don't sell to public but the shooting range next door sells their ammo and its pretty good prices. Thinking about buying ammo online if its cheaper. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I've always gone mail order bulk cause it's cheaper to go to the range and fire away, try Cabela's/Midwayusa/Cheaperthendirt/Natchez, shop around it can't hurt to save some coin, I took my girl shooting while back we shot about 1000 rounds that day and it only cost a few hundred bucks through Cabela's. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I just looked at Cabelas and i think i get my ammo cheaper than that. I can't find my damn price guide though. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeah you have to shop around they have sales on certain brands from time to time that will save you money if you buy in bulk lol then again they just spent the last month selling tons of regular priced ammo to CA lol. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>WildFire532FB</b> <br /><small>Member # 1482</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,19,0,8,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Yeah cheaper than dirt does look cheaper than mine if my memory serves me right. How much is shipping though? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>fstryde3</b> <br /><small>Member # 8436</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,19,0,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by WildFire532FB:<br /><strong> Yeah cheaper than dirt does look cheaper than mine if my memory serves me right. How much is shipping though? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">They vary if you're patient enough a lot of times those sites offer reduced or free shipping if you order over $100 etc. it's not perfect.<br /> <br /> <small>[ January 19, 2011, 12:36 AM: Message edited by: fstryde3 ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>90FoX</b> <br /><small>Member # 1974</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,19,0,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> FTW <img border="0" alt="[worship]" title="" src="graemlins/worship.gif" /> But it sounds like it was shot down because of being vague, I'm sure those who proposed it will be more specific when, not if, they propose something similar.<br /><br />Thanks for the heads up <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ January 19, 2011, 12:28 AM: Message edited by: 90FoX ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>fstryde3</b> <br /><small>Member # 8436</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,19,0,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 90FoX:<br /><strong> FTW <img border="0" alt="[worship]" title="" src="graemlins/worship.gif" /> But it sounds like it was shot down because of being vague, I'm sure those who proposed it will be more specific when, not if, they propose something similar.<br /><br />Thanks for the heads up <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'm sure this will be a back and forth battle but at least for now it looks liek Ca residents can continue to buy ammo online and not have to worry about fingerprints etc. I'm sure the politicians and the NRA will fight about this one for a long time. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>blueoval55</b> <br /><small>Member # 9787</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,19,1,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> just got back from the gun range, this is the definitely the best news all day! maybe even all year. i just cant comprehend how anyone could justify registration of ammunition, let alone guns themselves. criminals and felons still acquire guns through ILLEGAL means, just like they would ammunition. or take a road trip and get some in another state. <br />too bad it took so long though! i bought 2500 rounds of one caliber and 1350 of another! oh well.... better late than never <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>fstryde3</b> <br /><small>Member # 8436</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,19,1,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by blueoval55:<br /><strong> just got back from the gun range, this is the definitely the best news all day! maybe even all year. i just cant comprehend how anyone could justify registration of ammunition, let alone guns themselves. criminals and felons still acquire guns through ILLEGAL means, just like they would ammunition. or take a road trip and get some in another state. <br />too bad it took so long though! i bought 2500 rounds of one caliber and 1350 of another! oh well.... better late than never </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well at least you're stocked up for a bit. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>NiftyWhiteFifty</b> <br /><small>Member # 4320</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,19,4,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> FINALLY someone dose something that makes sense in this state! This is why I am a proud member of the NRA! <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>WildFire532FB</b> <br /><small>Member # 1482</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,19,14,17,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I am still surprised it hasn't hit the major news networks, i bet the anti's are suppressing it so no one knows they are trying to take our constitutional rights away. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>707notchback jaejae</b> <br /><small>Member # 7958</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,19,14,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> yea son! 2nd amendment for the win <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>SnakeBit</b> <br /><small>Member # 8871</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2011,0,19,14,27,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I think this was a great eye opener and I don't think we have heard the last of this. I'm going to make it a habit to buy a few boxes of ammo every month. I bet we will see some sort of ammunition tax increase. <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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