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Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on :
 
I"m back at the gym again and I would like to get some recomendations on some good supplements to use to build lean muscle and drop a little bodyfat. I'm not a fat out of shape beer drinker by any means lol! but I wanna get more "cut" I tried some stuff someone recommended in a thread last year "sus 500" It worked good but it made me wanna kick my friends ass when we went out lol! Now i already know that most of you guys on this board bench press ATLEAST 500lbs with ease so I'm sure I will get some good suggestions
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
Find a good whey protein (I use the stacked GNC brand)
Find a very good multi-vitamin (I use the GNC Mega Mens multipack.
I cycle on and off Creatine from time to time
And I use Glutamine after my workouts.

This plus a nice balanced diet will get you there. (for a good diet plan check out www.sparkpeople.com I use this for my diet tracker and its free). If you find you are plateauing and not getting your results look into some upper level supps. BUt chances are this will get you there. No need to go balls out on supps if you are just starting. Not quite to 500, but I am slappin 4 plates

[ April 12, 2010, 12:03 AM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 

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Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
It may sound funny but eating spinach gives lots of protein. I try to eat lots of veggies and fruits too. I make myself a shake everyday that consist of soy milk, one banana, spinach, and frozen fruits, Takes pretty good and healthy. Nuts also help with energy. I use to take whey protein but after taking health classes I learn that just by eating the right foods you could be healthy and lean. Hope this helps
 

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Posted by t top freak (Member # 6269) on :
 
i like the muscle milk products for protein (they just taste fantastic), a good multivitamin and universal animal pump.
 

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Posted by vjay88 (Member # 7495) on :
 
The BSN stuff is really good.

Pre work out-N.O. xplode
After work out- cell mass
Protien/after workout- Syntha 6, get cookies and cream.
Supplement- Nitrix
 

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Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on :
 
+1 on the muscle milk and i would add some man multi vitamin from gnc.i need to go get some myself ive been doing the low carb diet so im missing out on some stuff that i need.just think ive already lost 25 and still have 60 to go
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by losbadgts:
It may sound funny but eating spinach gives lots of protein. I try to eat lots of veggies and fruits too. I make myself a shake everyday that consist of soy milk, one banana, spinach, and frozen fruits, Takes pretty good and healthy. Nuts also help with energy. I use to take whey protein but after taking health classes I learn that just by eating the right foods you could be healthy and lean. Hope this helps

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+1, if you are disciplined enough, this is THE BEST route. But honestly I would try to do it as natural as possible when beginning. Lets your body do things naturally before you start supplementing it with stuff your body can do on its own.

Good luck.
 

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Posted by adower (Member # 5955) on :
 
On whey protein powder.
 

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Posted by 50 Deep (Member # 6216) on :
 
what happened to the chubby white chick diet you were on
 

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Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
V12 Turbo tricreatine. You will lose bodyfat and put on muscle quickly. Best supplement i have ever taken in my bodybuilding career. i was going to see how it would do in my fire career but the place i ordered it from ripped me off. Never buy from betterbodz.com, horrible customer service.
 

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Posted by AbominableSnoman... (Member # 8290) on :
 
pre workout: muscletech's naNO vapor
post: Muscle milk
gnc multivitamins

i think imma be switching out to six star whey protein, 50g of protein less calories. but if youre real serious on getting real lean you can cough up EXTRA dollars and get 0cal IsoPure. As far as naNO vapor goes, it claims to give you extra energy, and work you out harder. I believe it works you out harder, but it doesnt give me extra energy like N O Xplode did. Ever since i been taking Mega Men's multi vits i stopped drinking coffee, and just all out feel better all day.

P.S.
not too long ago i posted about starting p90x, since then i lost 29lbs. i was semi dedicated to p90x for the first 4weeks, i cut down to a way STRICTER diet since, and is now power lifting again. the only things i do from p90x is YOGA, AB ripper, and KENPO.
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 
lol@ all the supplement bs! if you're at the gym you're going to build no matter what, and for your cut that you're looking for you might wanna just hit some cardio jog on a treadmill. your body doesnt need supplements if your not a fat beer drinking lop!
 

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Posted by jaejae (Member # 7958) on :
 
muscle milk is great..and this product called monster mass..you should check it out
 

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Posted by king_jays_50 (Member # 9513) on :
 
muscle milk products work really good i no alot of people usin them and have improved alot including myself, i'm 6' tall and before i started usin muscle milk i was probably 155 soakin wet with rocks in my pockets (hella bony)and i was up 2 185 in a few months! But whatever u get u shouled order it from here http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/index.html they have the best prices i've seen
 

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Posted by 89point. (Member # 6078) on :
 
Serious mass is some good shit, it's protien has creatine and heella vitamins in it. It's like 45 for a 12lb bag. When u get it in the mail it looks like a small dog food bag.
 

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Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on :
 

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Originally posted by king_jays_50:
But whatever u get u shouled order it from here http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/index.html they have the best prices i've seen

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False...

buy from http://www.tfsupplements.com/
or http://www.supplementwarehouse.com/Default.asp?

I personally like supplement warehouse because they meet and beat any price by 5%, so I will use google shopping to find the lowest price online and have never had a problem. I will say that you will pay a little more in shipping and handling, but still the best prices I have seen considering they will meet and beat any competitor.



Oh, and bodybuilding.com quit selling pro hormones like sus 500 last year after the FDA started cracking down on pro hormones...

[ April 12, 2010, 06:13 AM: Message edited by: rgtrahn ]
 

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Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :
 
I hear steroids build lean mass pretty quick
 

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Posted by white1990stang (Member # 2307) on :
 
google is your friend.

http://www.criticalbench.com/how-to-get-ripped-muscle.htm
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by white1990stang:
google is your friend.

http://www.criticalbench.com/how-to-get-ripped-muscle.htm

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I do not necessarily agree with that article. The higher reps and lower weight thing has been proven to be essential when going through a hypertrophy stage in your workout. I also seen tremendous gains with cycling on and off a hypertrophy stage. Google + this article is like anything else you read. Take what you need from it. Weight lifting is not a one size fit all solution as everyone is different. But that article did contain some useful information.

[ April 12, 2010, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 

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Posted by white1990stang (Member # 2307) on :
 
I agree. I didnt really buy that part either. When i found that i was looking up ways to get more defined muscles and what i found is that you need to lower your body fat percentage. Good diet and cardio.
 

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Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on :
 
Thanks for the help guys. I'm gonna try a couple of the supplements you guys suggested to see how it works for me. I have already modified my diet with more fruits veggies and protein. I'm eating smaller meals and drinking ALOT of water too. If this don't work, My next thread is gonna ask "what are some good PED's!" I wanna get on that Manny Pacroid program lol
 

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Posted by 90fox5.0 (Member # 9338) on :
 
super pump 250 works good if u do get it get fruit punch and dont drink it passed 9pm or u will bee up all night
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
one thing no one mentioned is get a physical or get checked out. Some supps are not ideal for folks with high blood pressure or taking certain meds. I heard of a cat having a severe reaction to the supps he was taking when it mixed with his asthma meds.
 

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Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :
 
+1 superpump worked great for me but if I was you I would just ease my way back into it with a good protein (isolate) powder multivitamins and most importantly a good diet. Goodluck!
 

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Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:
one thing no one mentioned is get a physical or get checked out. Some supps are not ideal for folks with high blood pressure or taking certain meds. I heard of a cat having a severe reaction to the supps he was taking when it mixed with his asthma meds.

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Originally posted by 1sicmaro:
Tren 75
masterbol 75
privo 75
get you lean and cut haha
only take it every other day

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Originally posted by East Bay 50:

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Originally posted by 1sicmaro:
Tren 75
masterbol 75
privo 75
get you lean and cut haha
only take it every other day

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are those roids? lol

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Originally posted by vjay88:
The BSN stuff is really good.

Pre work out-N.O. xplode
After work out- cell mass
Protien/after workout- Syntha 6, get cookies and cream.
Supplement- Nitrix

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Originally posted by Eddie510-:
Tren extreme

or HGH =D

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Too bad Tren was banned this year, but m-drol is just as good.

I also heard you can go to max muscle and ask for the Tren clone called nanodrol and it's the exact same pill in a different bottle...

Couple of my buddies did a couple cycles of Tren and the strength gains were/ are ridiculous!!! You have to be worried about gyno and your testes... most prohormones/ steroids are harsh and will shut you down.
 

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Posted by phil a (Member # 6951) on :
 
With PED's like pro-hormones and pro-test, it's all a matter of risk vs. reward - basically, how much health-related risk are you willing to take to see phenomenal results?

With the pro-hormones/pro-test stuff, some of it can aromatize as the body attempts to regain hormonal equilibrium (by producing estrogen). Some people run anti-aromatizing pro-h's, while another option is to take an anti-estrogen supplement, like Nolvadex (or something similar). This is synonymous with tamoxifen, which is an anti-cancer drug, which basically keeps breast tissue from further development.

Consider the further "requirement" of a post-cycle therapy to restore hormones to their natural levels. I guess I look at it like this: I'm back in school now, and I'm giving it all I've got - can't risk screwing up the mental balance with some rage or depression or any of the other numerous possible side-effect. I've got a friend of mine who's doing all of this stuff (and seeing big results), but to me, it just wasn't worth the potential side-effects of fubar'ing my endocrine system. I guess I'm somewhat similar to N8, in that I take protein, creatine, glutamine, and a multi-V on top of a well-rounded diet and lots of water.

Though my gains aren't/won't be as high as they might be otherwise, I feel good every day and don't get stuck on trying to regulate chemical levels to keep from imploding.

Good luck!
 

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Posted by trickflow211 (Member # 8503) on :
 
i take no explode, an cytogainer. those are the two best products out!. also eat atleast 5 hardboiled eggs a day. they contain 6 grams of protien each.
 

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Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on :
 
Has anyone ever heard of or done a dirty bulk? I know the OP wanted to cut, but while on this topic I will ask and discuss...

Everyone talks about eating healthy, drinking lots of protein and taking a good multivitamin. However, I am a hard gainer and I hate drinking protein. It tears my stomach up! Last year, a coworker was talking about being on a dirty bulk and his results were impressive to me. For some it may seem taboo, but the idea is to eat any/ and everything including lots of fast food. Of course with this type of diet you are bound to gain fat, but that's what cutting cycle is for.

Has anyone else done this type of bulk and what have your results been?

I am just finishing a dirty bulk/ prohormone cycle and have gained almost 14 pounds. My gym partner loves to clown me and call it the "dreamer bulk", but I started at about 170 and now weigh about 182. I have gained some fat and water weight, but it's all in the right areas imo and I have even thinned out in the waist area; not to mention my strength has sky rocketed!!! Everything I was taking was legal and otc... I would have bought novadex, but that requires a prescription. The pct I bought is called Reversitol and has a serm... The worse side effects to me is a little to nonexistent sex drive and back pumps; the thought of gyno is rather scary though.
 

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Posted by snakebit95 (Member # 8871) on :
 
I have been using Force factor and Force Factor RAMP UP for the last 2 months. No complaints I have lost over 15 lbs. Of course no beer or fast food either.

http://www.forcefactor.com/products/force_factor

http://www.forcefactor.com/products/ramp_up


[ April 12, 2010, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: snakebit95 ]
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by rgtrahn:
...The worse side effects to me is a little to nonexistent sex drive and back pumps; the thought of gyno is rather scary though.

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Originally posted by snakebit95:
I have been using Force factor and Force Factor RAMP UP for the last 2 months. No complaints I have lost over 15 lbs. Of course no beer or fast food either.

http://www.forcefactor.com/products/force_factor

http://www.forcefactor.com/products/ramp_up

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x2 just add your man (GNC) vitamins and a dietary supplement like muscle milk or something else of your preference
 

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Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :
 

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Originally posted by trickflow211:
i take no explode, an cytogainer. those are the two best products out!. also eat atleast 5 hardboiled eggs a day. they contain 6 grams of protien each.

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Originally posted by 1sicmaro:
Tren 75

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Originally posted by rgtrahn:

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Originally posted by Eddie510-:
Tren extreme

or HGH =D

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Too bad Tren was banned this year, but m-drol is just as good.

I also heard you can go to max muscle and ask for the Tren clone called nanodrol and it's the exact same pill in a different bottle...

Couple of my buddies did a couple cycles of Tren and the strength gains were/ are ridiculous!!! You have to be worried about gyno and your testes... most prohormones/ steroids are harsh and will shut you down.

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Originally posted by N8:
Im just curious, those deep in the supplements game have you guys tried doing things naturally the first time around? I only ask because I get scared when sh*t works too good. I get good results naturally and great with the little stuff I do. But I might get my Lou Ferrigno (*sp) on with what you guys are taking.

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Originally posted by N8:
Im just curious, those deep in the supplements game have you guys tried doing things naturally the first time around? I only ask because I get scared when sh*t works too good. I get good results naturally and great with the little stuff I do. But I might get my Lou Ferrigno (*sp) on with what you guys are taking.

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Ahhhh you only live once.

Do they blood or urine test you pre or post fight when you compete?

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I have only been on 2 cards where they piss tested. Normally when I fight it is like gym to gym grudge matches.
 

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Posted by t top freak (Member # 6269) on :
 
ive always wanted to try cycle of anavar. from what i understand it gives some real solid results and isnt that rough on your liver.
expensive though
 

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Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:
Im just curious, those deep in the supplements game have you guys tried doing things naturally the first time around? I only ask because I get scared when sh*t works too good. I get good results naturally and great with the little stuff I do. But I might get my Lou Ferrigno (*sp) on with what you guys are taking.

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Ahhhh you only live once.

Do they blood or urine test you pre or post fight when you compete?

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Stuff kills your HDL(good cholesterol)... I did a cycle of m-drol a superdrol clone and when I got my blood work results back I was stunned as was the doctor. Normal HDL for a male is between 40-50 on the scale... mine was 16

Prohormones are also harsh on the immune system and I got swine flu and developed a respiratory infection while on my cycle. I am not saying this couldn't have happened naturally, but my body was definitely telling me something... I was literally sick for the month of October 30+ days and in the doctor's office twice.

Of course after telling you this, you would assume I would stay as far away as possible from this stuff, but the results are very compelling and well honestly a bit addictive.

[ April 13, 2010, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: rgtrahn ]
 

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Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 

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Originally posted by rgtrahn:

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Originally posted by turbo50:

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Originally posted by N8:
Im just curious, those deep in the supplements game have you guys tried doing things naturally the first time around? I only ask because I get scared when sh*t works too good. I get good results naturally and great with the little stuff I do. But I might get my Lou Ferrigno (*sp) on with what you guys are taking.

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Ahhhh you only live once.

Do they blood or urine test you pre or post fight when you compete?

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Stuff kills your HDL(good cholesterol)... I did a cycle of m-drol a superdrol clone and when I got my blood work results back I was stunned as was the doctor. Normal HDL for a male is between 40-50 on the scale... mine was 16

Prohormones are also harsh on the immune system and I got swine flu and developed a respiratory infection while on my cycle. I am not saying this couldn't have happened naturally, but my body was definitely telling me something... I was literally sick for the month of October 30+ days and in the doctor's office twice.

Of course after telling you this, you would assume I would stay as far away as possible from this stuff, but the results are to compelling and well honestly a bit addictive.

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Originally posted by rgtrahn:

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Originally posted by turbo50:

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Originally posted by N8:
Im just curious, those deep in the supplements game have you guys tried doing things naturally the first time around? I only ask because I get scared when sh*t works too good. I get good results naturally and great with the little stuff I do. But I might get my Lou Ferrigno (*sp) on with what you guys are taking.

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Ahhhh you only live once.

Do they blood or urine test you pre or post fight when you compete?

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Stuff kills your HDL(good cholesterol)... I did a cycle of m-drol a superdrol clone and when I got my blood work results back I was stunned as was the doctor. Normal HDL for a male is between 40-50 on the scale... mine was 16

Prohormones are also harsh on the immune system and I got swine flu and developed a respiratory infection while on my cycle. I am not saying this couldn't have happened naturally, but my body was definitely telling me something... I was literally sick for the month of October 30+ days and in the doctor's office twice.

Of course after telling you this, you would assume I would stay as far away as possible from this stuff, but the results are very compelling and well honestly a bit addictive.

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by rgtrahn:

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Originally posted by turbo50:

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Originally posted by N8:
Im just curious, those deep in the supplements game have you guys tried doing things naturally the first time around? I only ask because I get scared when sh*t works too good. I get good results naturally and great with the little stuff I do. But I might get my Lou Ferrigno (*sp) on with what you guys are taking.

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Ahhhh you only live once.

Do they blood or urine test you pre or post fight when you compete?

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Stuff kills your HDL(good cholesterol)... I did a cycle of m-drol a superdrol clone and when I got my blood work results back I was stunned as was the doctor. Normal HDL for a male is between 40-50 on the scale... mine was 16

Prohormones are also harsh on the immune system and I got swine flu and developed a respiratory infection while on my cycle. I am not saying this couldn't have happened naturally, but my body was definitely telling me something... I was literally sick for the month of October 30+ days and in the doctor's office twice.

Of course after telling you this, you would assume I would stay as far away as possible from this stuff, but the results are very compelling and well honestly a bit addictive.

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Yea I am good on that. Shit I get worried off of creatine. I am almost to my bench goal but have seriously plateaued. Considered upper level supps to get me there, but hearing things like this make me reconsider.

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Originally posted by rgtrahn:

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Originally posted by turbo50:

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Originally posted by N8:
Im just curious, those deep in the supplements game have you guys tried doing things naturally the first time around? I only ask because I get scared when sh*t works too good. I get good results naturally and great with the little stuff I do. But I might get my Lou Ferrigno (*sp) on with what you guys are taking.

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Ahhhh you only live once.

Do they blood or urine test you pre or post fight when you compete?

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Stuff kills your HDL(good cholesterol)... I did a cycle of m-drol a superdrol clone and when I got my blood work results back I was stunned as was the doctor. Normal HDL for a male is between 40-50 on the scale... mine was 16

Prohormones are also harsh on the immune system and I got swine flu and developed a respiratory infection while on my cycle. I am not saying this couldn't have happened naturally, but my body was definitely telling me something... I was literally sick for the month of October 30+ days and in the doctor's office twice.

Of course after telling you this, you would assume I would stay as far away as possible from this stuff, but the results are to compelling and well honestly a bit addictive.

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You take the good with the bad and for every known effect there is something out there to counter it just have to do research, ask around and of course do what works best for you.

I am just layin the facts out there not trying to persuade anyone either way.

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Originally posted by turbo50:

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Originally posted by N8:
Im just curious, those deep in the supplements game have you guys tried doing things naturally the first time around? I only ask because I get scared when sh*t works too good. I get good results naturally and great with the little stuff I do. But I might get my Lou Ferrigno (*sp) on with what you guys are taking.

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Ahhhh you only live once.

Do they blood or urine test you pre or post fight when you compete?

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Stuff kills your HDL(good cholesterol)... I did a cycle of m-drol a superdrol clone and when I got my blood work results back I was stunned as was the doctor. Normal HDL for a male is between 40-50 on the scale... mine was 16

Prohormones are also harsh on the immune system and I got swine flu and developed a respiratory infection while on my cycle. I am not saying this couldn't have happened naturally, but my body was definitely telling me something... I was literally sick for the month of October 30+ days and in the doctor's office twice.

Of course after telling you this, you would assume I would stay as far away as possible from this stuff, but the results are very compelling and well honestly a bit addictive.

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Yea I am good on that. Shit I get worried off of creatine. I am almost to my bench goal but have seriously plateaued. Considered upper level supps to get me there, but hearing things like this make me reconsider.

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Iam far from being buff but when I hit my plateau on anything (and I dont bench 500) I get back to the basics and go with push ups, chin ups, pull ups and squats.

Always pushes me past any plateau but then again I am FAR from a pro body builder and dont even look that strong so this is just me and what works for me.

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Always pushes me past any plateau but then again I am FAR from a pro body builder and dont even look that strong so this is just me and what works for me. [/QB]

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I dont agree with pulsing but thats just me.

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I dont agree with pulsing but thats just me.

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Is there a reason?

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Originally posted by trickflow211:
i take no explode, an cytogainer. those are the two best products out!. also eat atleast 5 hardboiled eggs a day. they contain 6 grams of protien each.

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I read a lot of reviews where people ended up getting kidney stones from taking no explode too much

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really? ive never heard any neggatives about it?. how long were they tAKING IT FOR?
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 
Why do the stupid motherfuckers reading the muscle magazines continue to fall prey to the fancy supplement ads with some guy in a lab coat along with the before and after shots of some fuckin beer guzzling, pizza eating motherfucker that is magically transformed into some muscle bound meat head by simply using some bull shit supplement.

Gotta laugh at the names of these worthless products that gullible people fall for; hydroxycut and animal pump. I'm surprised nobody has come out with a bull shit supplement called "meat head"

I can only think of one reason why the supplement companies continue to trick you stupid motherfuckers into buying their worthless products that don't provide and advantage over a normal balanced diet;

You people don't understand the concept of hard work and discipline. All you people want is just take some magic potion that will quickly transform you from a flabby mother fucker into a champion. Save your fuckin money you dumb shits.




[ April 14, 2010, 01:24 PM: Message edited by: cobraracer46 ]
 

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Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :
 
ya because supliments dont work at all go back to riding your bike and saving the world...
 

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Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
Hehehehee

Trust me with hard work and discipline my supplements have been working well.

I have lost 46 pounds to date gone down 8 pant sizes.

I have seen a 60% increase in my workout weights.
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
Yea cobraracer you are wrong there playa.

I do agree some go overboard. But the word "supplement" means basically in addition to. There is a reason why all the top athletes in any sport supplement their "balanced diet". So in a sense you are right. Balanced diet is the key. But you are wrong because it is not the only key. You sound like you need to educate yourself. To do what I do and compete like I compete, I would have to eat an absurd amount of calories to get my protein intake and muscle recovery (glutamine) in. But with a normal diet and my whey protein and glutamine I am able to maintain better. And I am not even a pro-athlete, but a simple day job kind of cat that cares about his health.
 

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Posted by t top freak (Member # 6269) on :
 

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
Why do the stupid motherfuckers reading the muscle magazines continue to fall prey to the fancy supplement ads with some guy in a lab coat along with the before and after shots of some fuckin beer guzzling, pizza eating motherfucker that is magically transformed into some muscle bound meat head by simply using some bull shit supplement.

Gotta laugh at the names of these worthless products that gullible people fall for; hydroxycut and animal pump. I'm surprised nobody has come out with a bull shit supplement called "meat head"

I can only think of one reason why the supplement companies continue to trick you stupid motherfuckers into buying their worthless products that don't provide and advantage over a normal balanced diet;

You people don't understand the concept of hard work and discipline. All you people want is just take some magic potion that will quickly transform you from a flabby mother fucker into a champion. Save your fuckin money you dumb shits.

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Originally posted by vjay88:
The BSN stuff is really good.

Pre work out-N.O. xplode
After work out- cell mass
Protien/after workout- Syntha 6, get cookies and cream.
Supplement- Nitrix

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hey man do you workout at the disco bay athletic club?

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