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Topic: Pacquiao VS Clottey - NO CATCH WEIGHT
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Originally posted by SIC66:
follow the link.
http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/01/11/manny-pacquiao-to-fight-joshua-clottey-at-144-catchweight/
STOP HATIN'
Not hatin, look at this quote
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Originally, Koncz had said that there was a catchweight of 144 for Pacquiao-Clottey, but he has since corrected that. A catchweight could have been a huge advantage for Pacquiao.
Cotto = catch weight, Hatton = catch weight, Oscar = catch weight. So now that the cat is out of the bag how much a disadvantage that is Pac fans should STFU about his other victories and the record books should place an asterisk next to those. Cotto has the same frame and issues Clottey has. Slowly but surely Manny is being outed. Now my next question is, is Manny declaring a "match weight". That is another tactic he uses where the opponent has to enter the ring weighing 147. But they dont advertise that aspect of it.
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diaz = 135 no catch weight
cotto = 145 catch weight
hatton = 140 no catch weight, hatton's best weight where he dominated.
dela hoya = he asked for pacquiao to fight at that weight.
these boxers would not sign if they didn't think they had a chance to win. stop the excuses. everytime pac wins you haters always got excuses. it's sad. i bet if he beats clottey, you'd be the first to post an excuse. you probably already have one ready. why don't you bring up when other boxers did catch weights. hopkins-delahoya had a catch weight of 158. no one's hating on that. sugar ray leonard won titles in 1988 vs danny lalonde at a catch weight. there's a long list. why all of sudden it's a big issue? it's just they can't believe a small filipino guy whoopin' some ass.
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by SIC66:
follow the link.
http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/01/11/manny-pacquiao-to-fight-joshua-clottey-at-144-catchweight/
STOP HATIN'
Not hatin, look at this quote
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Originally, Koncz had said that there was a catchweight of 144 for Pacquiao-Clottey, but he has since corrected that. A catchweight could have been a huge advantage for Pacquiao.
Cotto = catch weight, Hatton = catch weight, Oscar = catch weight. So now that the cat is out of the bag how much a disadvantage that is Pac fans should STFU about his other victories and the record books should place an asterisk next to those. Cotto has the same frame and issues Clottey has. Slowly but surely Manny is being outed. Now my next question is, is Manny declaring a "match weight". That is another tactic he uses where the opponent has to enter the ring weighing 147. But they dont advertise that aspect of it.
if they don't advertise, then you also don't know. you're just speculating or hating.
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Regardless...If testing was never a problem? why didn't Pacquiao fight someone else who was not a Top Rank fighter...What about Timothy Bradley 25-0 Light Welterweight Champion? He said he would fight anywhere in between 140-147? Oh i forgot he would need blood testing too...
Manny,
Continue to fight fighters hand picked by your promoter and handlers who won't call you out on your "suspected" PEDs usage...then retire when the only credible name left to fight is Moseley or Mayweather who won't ruin their legacys fighting a "suspected" dirty fighter...
Eventually it will come out, especially at the defamation trial where those emails Teddy Atlas spoke of surface...and I thought Barry, Sammy, Roger, and Mark were arrogant for believing they were above it all, the worst they did was ruin the integrity of the game...Pacquiao is in a league of his own...How can you use PEDs to not only win millions, belts, accolades, but also can possibly kill someone or cause permanant physical damage...I guess as long as he is humble and does it for his country it is ok...If these accusation were against Mayweather he would not be able to walk outside without being forced to take these blood tests...Ok my venting is done...Go Clottey!
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Originally posted by SIC66:
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by SIC66:
follow the link.
http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/01/11/manny-pacquiao-to-fight-joshua-clottey-at-144-catchweight/
STOP HATIN'
Not hatin, look at this quote
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Originally, Koncz had said that there was a catchweight of 144 for Pacquiao-Clottey, but he has since corrected that. A catchweight could have been a huge advantage for Pacquiao.
Cotto = catch weight, Hatton = catch weight, Oscar = catch weight. So now that the cat is out of the bag how much a disadvantage that is Pac fans should STFU about his other victories and the record books should place an asterisk next to those. Cotto has the same frame and issues Clottey has. Slowly but surely Manny is being outed. Now my next question is, is Manny declaring a "match weight". That is another tactic he uses where the opponent has to enter the ring weighing 147. But they dont advertise that aspect of it.
if they don't advertise, then you also don't know. you're just speculating or hating.
The information is readily available lets say. And it is no secret that all fighters come in at a more comfortable weight. Hence why Mayweather chose to just pay Marquez rather than subject his body to that misuse. Just face it, Manny does everything possible to tip the scale in his favor. His fights are not fair. And no DeLaHoya did not ask for that weight. Hatton was subjected to a match weight not catch weight so you are right there. Which was extremely unfair to him. Why you think they call him "Ricky Fatton" he has issues making weight as does cotto. And since Cotto and Clottey share the same frame and weight issues basically. Why all of a sudden now does his camp express how unfair it is to have a fighter come in so low?
Face it man, Manny is a sham and not the great boxer he is made out to be. I am SOOO hopin Clottey retires this dude. He is not good for boxing. Then he can go be a politician and admit to PEDs 10 years after the fact like McGwire.
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Ok my Manny rants will be over officially now. My Filipino homie just called after I sent him that link. And he is now convinced Manny is cheating. And he was hardcore Manny. He actually challenged me to a fight over the argument..lmao. But he has jump off the manny ride. So I feel good now. more will join.
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Originally posted by rmadison007:
Regardless...If testing was never a problem? why didn't Pacquiao fight someone else who was not a Top Rank fighter...What about Timothy Bradley 25-0 Light Welterweight Champion? He said he would fight anywhere in between 140-147? Oh i forgot he would need blood testing too...
Manny,
Continue to fight fighters hand picked by your promoter and handlers who won't call you out on your "suspected" PEDs usage...then retire when the only credible name left to fight is Moseley or Mayweather who won't ruin their legacys fighting a "suspected" dirty fighter...
Eventually it will come out, especially at the defamation trial where those emails Teddy Atlas spoke of surface...and I thought Barry, Sammy, Roger, and Mark were arrogant for believing they were above it all, the worst they did was ruin the integrity of the game...Pacquiao is in a league of his own...How can you use PEDs to not only win millions, belts, accolades, but also can possibly kill someone or cause permanant physical damage...I guess as long as he is humble and does it for his country it is ok...If these accusation were against Mayweather he would not be able to walk outside without being forced to take these blood tests...Ok my venting is done...Go Clottey!
those are all baseless accusations. where's the email from atlas? there is none. if there were it would have surfaced already. what about mayweather taking pain killers for his hands? which is illegal in 49 states except nevada. isn't that ironic? manny is innocent until proven guilty. and there aren't any proof what-so-ever. you guys are hoping it's true cuz he whooped your heroes asses and knocked them out silly. he must have hurt your feelings real bad. it's all good. clottey's gonna be a good fight. another fighter mayweather ducked. GO MANNY, another win.
link to mayweather's drug use.
http://www.8countnews.com/news/125/ARTICLE/2212/2010-01-09.html
[ January 11, 2010, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: SIC66 ]
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Originally posted by SIC66:
diaz = 135 no catch weight
cotto = 145 catch weight
hatton = 140 no catch weight, hatton's best weight where he dominated.
dela hoya = he asked for pacquiao to fight at that weight.
these boxers would not sign if they didn't think they had a chance to win. stop the excuses. everytime pac wins you haters always got excuses. it's sad. i bet if he beats clottey, you'd be the first to post an excuse. you probably already have one ready. why don't you bring up when other boxers did catch weights. hopkins-delahoya had a catch weight of 158. no one's hating on that. sugar ray leonard won titles in 1988 vs danny lalonde at a catch weight. there's a long list. why all of sudden it's a big issue? it's just they can't believe a small filipino guy whoopin' some ass.
It is not that he is filipino...it is the fact that he is avoiding a significant issue that has been a problem in professional sports in the last 10-15 years...Boxing PEDs testing procedures are behind the times and is now becoming a safety issue...I can almost guarantee the main reason the fight is in Texas is because the Nevada Boxing Commission want nothing to do with Manny until they have added a blood testing protocol to their drug testing procedures...
Also, in every fight Manny has fought he has made the demands...You honestly De La Hoya wanted to fight at a weight he has not fought at in 10 years...Mayweather fought De La Hoya at 160, Junior Middleweight...He walked in the night of the fight at 148...David Diaz was the slowest, weakness, and easiest opponent at that weight, he had no chance at any weight, also where is he now?...Hatton, never recovered from the Mayweather fight and still raves about Mayweather ability and skills and picked him to dominate Pacquiao...What most of your Manny fans don't understand is that Manny is so popular that he can place down a list of demands and make sure a fight is contracted at a point where he will have an advantage and if the opposing fighter does not agree he will walk away...For fighters who are less popular and need that payday they can not walk away and except the demands and come to fight at a disadvantage...Pacquiao walked away from the Mayweather fight because he has not fought a fair fight in so long that he was not willing to compromise...he only wanted to fight on his terms...Clottey is only fighting Manny because Arum agreed to pay Clottey more than any fight he has ever fought, the same thing he did with Cotto, I bet if Cotto could back in time he would demand blood testing too...
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Originally posted by SIC66:
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Originally posted by rmadison007:
Regardless...If testing was never a problem? why didn't Pacquiao fight someone else who was not a Top Rank fighter...What about Timothy Bradley 25-0 Light Welterweight Champion? He said he would fight anywhere in between 140-147? Oh i forgot he would need blood testing too...
Manny,
Continue to fight fighters hand picked by your promoter and handlers who won't call you out on your "suspected" PEDs usage...then retire when the only credible name left to fight is Moseley or Mayweather who won't ruin their legacys fighting a "suspected" dirty fighter...
Eventually it will come out, especially at the defamation trial where those emails Teddy Atlas spoke of surface...and I thought Barry, Sammy, Roger, and Mark were arrogant for believing they were above it all, the worst they did was ruin the integrity of the game...Pacquiao is in a league of his own...How can you use PEDs to not only win millions, belts, accolades, but also can possibly kill someone or cause permanant physical damage...I guess as long as he is humble and does it for his country it is ok...If these accusation were against Mayweather he would not be able to walk outside without being forced to take these blood tests...Ok my venting is done...Go Clottey!
those are all baseless accusations. where's the email from atlas? there is none. if there were it would have surfaced already. what about mayweather taking pain killers for his hands? which is illegal in 49 states except nevada. isn't that ironic? manny is innocent until proven guilty. and there aren't any proof what-so-ever. you guys are hoping it's true cuz he whooped your heroes asses and knocked them out silly. he must have hurt your feelings real bad. it's all good. clottey's gonna be a good fight. another fighter mayweather ducked. GO MANNY, another win.
link to mayweather's drug use.
http://www.8countnews.com/news/125/ARTICLE/2212/2010-01-09.html
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The fact is that the emails are GBP and Mayweathers defense to the Pacquiao Defamtion suit and that is why it has not surfaced...Also Teddy Atlas is a pretty credible source and if he is stating that there is some validity to the emails I am probably going to side with him...Also remember who outed Margarito...Golden Boy Promotions...They seem to get credible information and losing a fight of this magnitude on baseless allegations would be pretty business stupid...Also remember GBP would be entitled to 20% of Pacquaio's winnings, so I really don't understand why they would kill this fight...but excuses seem to be Pacquiao's fans defense these days...
Second,
Did you read the article that you linked...Maybe you should...The article is based on another article that can not be found or validated...And also just for your information only 7 states banned the use of Xylocaine and it is not texas, California or Nevada...talk about baseless...Maybe you should read websites that require their writers to use more credible sources...ESPN, CBSsports, or Yahoo sports...Something that is not written by a pacquaio fan trying to help their cheating hero...
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Ask yourself this...How much would it cost for you to validate to the world the all of your accomplishments, accolades, and prizes were won by exceptional skills and without the help of PEDs?
It would cost me nothing...If I were clean I would be running to take whatever test were necessary to clean my name especially if I was the Hero of an entire country and culture...
Manny believe it would cost more than $20 millions and to be forever linked to using PEDs...Your Filipino champion will forever be a cheater until he proves us wrong! Ask all the Bonds, Mcgwire, and Clemens fans...In the media you are Guilty until proven innocent!
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Originally posted by SIC66:
diaz = 135 no catch weight
cotto = 145 catch weight
hatton = 140 no catch weight, hatton's best weight where he dominated.
dela hoya = he asked for pacquiao to fight at that weight.
these boxers would not sign if they didn't think they had a chance to win. stop the excuses. everytime pac wins you haters always got excuses. it's sad. i bet if he beats clottey, you'd be the first to post an excuse. you probably already have one ready. why don't you bring up when other boxers did catch weights. hopkins-delahoya had a catch weight of 158. no one's hating on that. sugar ray leonard won titles in 1988 vs danny lalonde at a catch weight. there's a long list. why all of sudden it's a big issue? it's just they can't believe a small filipino guy whoopin' some ass.
On ROIDS brotha... Cotto woulda whooped this clown if he wasn't on roids...
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