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Posted by asskickn88 (Member # 4957) on :
 
Bankruptcy was the best thing that could have happened to them. /thread
 

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Posted by Camaro Kid Z/28 (Member # 3100) on :
 
..are we still mad that a mustang was a "bad guy" and destroyed in the transformers movie?!
 

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Posted by 04 S281 (Member # 9229) on :
 
He wasn't destroyed... the Saleen cop car is back in the second movie...
 

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Posted by JOEFOX87 (Member # 8331) on :
 
Barricade and Bumblebee should duel again!!!
Go Barricade!!!

Now, they should change the hologram guy to be me!!!

[ June 10, 2009, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: JOEFOX87 ]
 

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Posted by asskickn88 (Member # 4957) on :
 

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Originally posted by Camaro Kid Z/28:
..are we still mad that a mustang was a "bad guy" and destroyed in the transformers movie?!

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I'm just irritated by the pile of crap Blazer I'm replacing an engine on right now. The ass backwards design of that turd pisses me off...... why do we have to remove 15 bolts to take out the battery box? I just did an engine on a 7 series BMW and it was easier than this thing..... just stupid....
 

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Posted by 50 Deep (Member # 6216) on :
 
Now wait a minute. Any company that puts the distibutor & half the motor unter the firewall is lightyears ahead
 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
The only good thing about Chevys is you can damn near get the parts you need any place to go.... You can damn near build one whith all pepboys parts.
 

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Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on :
 

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Now wait a minute. Any company that puts the distibutor & half the motor unter the firewall is lightyears ahead

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or the distributor under the water pump!!

true story! LT1....


 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:

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Originally posted by 50 Deep:
Now wait a minute. Any company that puts the distibutor & half the motor unter the firewall is lightyears ahead

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or the distributor under the water pump!!

true story! LT1....

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Or the battery placed where you have to take the wheel off to get to it.
 

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Posted by 04 S281 (Member # 9229) on :
 
Camaro = FAIL

Best thing GM ever built is the LSX line of engines... too bad it takes them 5.7L or more just to beat a little 4.6
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 

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Originally posted by 04 S281:
too bad it takes them 5.7L or more just to beat a little 4.6

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Stock to stock, you mean destroy the little 4.6......

This coming from a 4.6 owner....
 

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Posted by Jessie P (Member # 7073) on :
 
This thread is epic!
 

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Posted by 925GT50 (Member # 2683) on :
 
Forgot to throw in the dreaded "piston slap" from the vortec motors.
 

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Posted by 84SVOrick (Member # 9039) on :
 
Trickflow and hurst with a little nitrous burst makes the ford coupe fly and the chevy boys cry
 

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Posted by 90FoX (Member # 1974) on :
 
Crank
Heavy
Engine
Valve
Rattling
Oil
Leaking
Electrical
Trap


 

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Posted by silver n black (Member # 8369) on :
 
90fox thats a good one
 

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Posted by Sovereign (Member # 9119) on :
 

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Originally posted by Camaro Kid Z/28:
..are we still mad that a mustang was a "bad guy" and destroyed in the transformers movie?!

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:

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Originally posted by 04 S281:
too bad it takes them 5.7L or more just to beat a little 4.6

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Stock to stock, you mean destroy the little 4.6......

This coming from a 4.6 owner....

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Posted by CALIFORINAGT (Member # 7845) on :
 
I THOUGHT Chevys WAS A RESURANT NOT A CAR
 

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Posted by Sovereign (Member # 9119) on :
 

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:

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Originally posted by 04 S281:
too bad it takes them 5.7L or more just to beat a little 4.6

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Stock to stock, you mean destroy the little 4.6......

This coming from a 4.6 owner....

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Originally posted by Sovereign:

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:

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Originally posted by 04 S281:
too bad it takes them 5.7L or more just to beat a little 4.6

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Stock to stock, you mean destroy the little 4.6......

This coming from a 4.6 owner....

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Yeah my freinds z28 with a intake and flows raced my other freinds 05 gt with a intake nd flows. Nd won by a bumper. Maybe a ss/ws6 would have whooped him but a z28/trans am to a gt is pretty even matched.

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Originally posted by Sovereign:

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:

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Originally posted by 04 S281:
too bad it takes them 5.7L or more just to beat a little 4.6

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Stock to stock, you mean destroy the little 4.6......

This coming from a 4.6 owner....

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Yeah my freinds z28 with a intake and flows raced my other freinds 05 gt with a intake nd flows. Nd won by a bumper. Maybe a ss/ws6 would have whooped him but a z28/trans am to a gt is pretty even matched.

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only difference is the hood and bilstein shocks homie, not much difference, unless it was an slp package car, even then it's just got a catback and intake lid.

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Originally posted by Sovereign:

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:

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Originally posted by 04 S281:
too bad it takes them 5.7L or more just to beat a little 4.6

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Stock to stock, you mean destroy the little 4.6......

This coming from a 4.6 owner....

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Yeah my freinds z28 with a intake and flows raced my other freinds 05 gt with a intake nd flows. Nd won by a bumper. Maybe a ss/ws6 would have whooped him but a z28/trans am to a gt is pretty even matched.

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only difference is the hood and bilstein shocks homie, not much difference, unless it was an slp package car, even then it's just got a catback and intake lid.

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Yeah I know about the stock loudmouths but they got the cold air intake not just the lid. Only makes about 15hp difference with the setup. But I still think 05 nd up gts stocc could take ls1's. But nothin higher than a ls1.

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Originally posted by Sovereign:

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:

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Originally posted by 04 S281:
too bad it takes them 5.7L or more just to beat a little 4.6

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Stock to stock, you mean destroy the little 4.6......

This coming from a 4.6 owner....

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Yeah my freinds z28 with a intake and flows raced my other freinds 05 gt with a intake nd flows. Nd won by a bumper. Maybe a ss/ws6 would have whooped him but a z28/trans am to a gt is pretty even matched.

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only difference is the hood and bilstein shocks homie, not much difference, unless it was an slp package car, even then it's just got a catback and intake lid.

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Yeah I know about the stock loudmouths but they got the cold air intake not just the lid. Only makes about 15hp difference with the setup. But I still think 05 nd up gts stocc could take ls1's. But nothin higher than a ls1.

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Really? I don't know much about those LS1's but I hear there pretty stout motors and respond great to just bolt on's.

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Originally posted by Sovereign:
There pretty fast. I don't have anything against them. I like them. But im sayin completely stocc vs completely stocc. I think a 05 gt could take a 02 z28. Cuz they have almost thesame rwhp nd torque and the mustang is a couple hundred pounds lighter. I could be wrong cuz I haven't checced the specs on a camaro in alil while. Just my opinion though. I think this because my freinds too coccy wit his camaro.

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But stock to stock, imo, would be a 02 GT vs a 02 z28.

How do those compare? I think the Z would eat the GT stock to stock. But then again they have a lot more C.I.'s

How do the new Maro and Stang stand up to each other? I haven't seen any Maro's out at the track yet or let alone a new stang so I guess time will tell. Anyone have any info on this besides magazines with shitty drivers?

[ June 12, 2009, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: 90FoX ]
 

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Posted by Sovereign (Member # 9119) on :
 
Haha yeah 02 vs 02 the gt would get eaten alive lol. They have way to many CI. Not to mention its a corvette engine.

Just curious, my freind think he can take a 99 to 02 cobra. He's got longtubes gears cai flows 3 inch pipin and what not. What would be the outcome of that. Cuz im pretty damn sure he can't take a 03 04 cobra.
 

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Posted by Sovereign (Member # 9119) on :
 

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Originally posted by Sovereign:
There pretty fast. I don't have anything against them. I like them. But im sayin completely stocc vs completely stocc. I think a 05 gt could take a 02 z28. Cuz they have almost thesame rwhp nd torque and the mustang is a couple hundred pounds lighter. I could be wrong cuz I haven't checced the specs on a camaro in alil while. Just my opinion though. I think this because my freinds too coccy wit his camaro.

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But stock to stock, imo, would be a 02 GT vs a 02 z28.

How do those compare? I think the Z would eat the GT stock to stock. But then again they have a lot more C.I.'s

How do the new Maro and Stang stand up to each other? I haven't seen any Maro's out at the track yet or let alone a new stang so I guess time will tell. Anyone have any info on this besides magazines with shitty drivers?

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Originally posted by Jessie P:
Well my 2002 Z28 ran bone stock 13.00 flat and it put down 307 and some change on the dyno. Now i put down 443 rwhp w/ a cam, bolt on's, 4k stall, w/ my cut outs closed and 461 and some change w/ my cut outs open. Ran an 11.60 @ 119 w/ bone stock suspension, transmission and rear end. Since then I've added a BMR short adjustable TA, BMR sub frames, BMR Pan hard,BMR adjustable LCA's, QA1 adjustable coil overs all the way around, and im adding the Spohn rear sway bar, Level 3 4L60E w/ trans brake, and gears. hoping to cut some low 60s and get my 10 second time slip.

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That's hella good. What's the difference between the level 3 4l60e and a regular one?
 

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Posted by Jessie P (Member # 7073) on :
 
built internals such as corvette servos, clutch packs, band etc etc etc. Just able to take a better beating.
 

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Posted by Jessie P (Member # 7073) on :
 
Just so you guys don't think im a ford hater, im simply not. I love Fords owned a few and there are plenty of members on this site who will vouch for that
 

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Posted by Insurance Dude (Member # 8241) on :
 
i was reading a magazine at my barbers (cant remember what the name is) but they were compareing the camarro, mustang, and charger. they also though in the GT, GT500 SRT8 in the mix. All 09 models by the way. In the end the over all rating was the mustang gt being the best buy becuase of cost and value. The reason i remmeber was the camarro is more expensive with not much diffrence. The magize also said that if money is not an issue for you that the undistubed king of new muscle cars was the GT500. Part of the reason they said this is becuase they could not get access to the camrro SS.
 

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Posted by Insurance Dude (Member # 8241) on :
 
here is a simlar article i found and posted on CAford a while back on this subject


The New generation of Muscle

a quote from the above article is below.
"Unchallenged 540-horse thrust and great street manners make the revised 2010 Shelby GT500 the undisputed muscle-car king. Since the price delves deep into the $40,000 range it’s not everyman’s car."
 

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Posted by JOEFOX87 (Member # 8331) on :
 
I love when they compare it to the GT, cause their so "Top of the line" cars are just modestly faster than the GT. Even with a 100+ HP. Just to think that I can slap a turbo or supercharger and make it faster than them just at 5 psi of boost.

Still going to be cheaper, can have any look I want (Saleen, Shelby, Eleanor, etc.) The Mustang is the best value of any musclecar in America.
 

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Posted by Jessie P (Member # 7073) on :
 
blah blah blah Dude we could all sit here and piss on the tree higher. Bottom line, people are going to buy what they want REGARDLESS of who's faster then who. It really doesn't matter how fast it goes, if your happy then roll with it and be thankful.
 

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Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jessie P:
Well my 2002 Z28 ran bone stock 13.00 flat and it put down 307 and some change on the dyno. Now i put down 443 rwhp w/ a cam, bolt on's, 4k stall, w/ my cut outs closed and 461 and some change w/ my cut outs open. Ran an 11.60 @ 119 w/ bone stock suspension, transmission and rear end. Since then I've added a BMR short adjustable TA, BMR sub frames, BMR Pan hard,BMR adjustable LCA's, QA1 adjustable coil overs all the way around, and im adding the Spohn rear sway bar, Level 3 4L60E w/ trans brake, and gears. hoping to cut some low 60s and get my 10 second time slip.

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do you have any head work done? those are some bad ass numbers, possibly an ls6 shortlbock?
 

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Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on :
 
when i get the blower buttoned up, i want to run you from a dig Mr. P.

mickey to mickey! lol



[ June 12, 2009, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: RED@7kVERT *8850GT* ]
 

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Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on :
 

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:

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Originally posted by Jessie P:
Well my 2002 Z28 ran bone stock 13.00 flat and it put down 307 and some change on the dyno. Now i put down 443 rwhp w/ a cam, bolt on's, 4k stall, w/ my cut outs closed and 461 and some change w/ my cut outs open. Ran an 11.60 @ 119 w/ bone stock suspension, transmission and rear end. Since then I've added a BMR short adjustable TA, BMR sub frames, BMR Pan hard,BMR adjustable LCA's, QA1 adjustable coil overs all the way around, and im adding the Spohn rear sway bar, Level 3 4L60E w/ trans brake, and gears. hoping to cut some low 60s and get my 10 second time slip.

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do you have any head work done? those are some bad ass numbers, possibly an ls6 shortlbock?

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ya? do you have heads jessie??



 

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Posted by 87droptop50 (Member # 7185) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jessie P:
Well my 2002 Z28 ran bone stock 13.00 flat and it put down 307 and some change on the dyno. Now i put down 443 rwhp w/ a cam, bolt on's, 4k stall, w/ my cut outs closed and 461 and some change w/ my cut outs open. Ran an 11.60 @ 119 w/ bone stock suspension, transmission and rear end. Since then I've added a BMR short adjustable TA, BMR sub frames, BMR Pan hard,BMR adjustable LCA's, QA1 adjustable coil overs all the way around, and im adding the Spohn rear sway bar, Level 3 4L60E w/ trans brake, and gears. hoping to cut some low 60s and get my 10 second time slip.

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do you have any head work done? those are some bad ass numbers, possibly an ls6 shortlbock?

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:

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Originally posted by Jessie P:
Well my 2002 Z28 ran bone stock 13.00 flat and it put down 307 and some change on the dyno. Now i put down 443 rwhp w/ a cam, bolt on's, 4k stall, w/ my cut outs closed and 461 and some change w/ my cut outs open. Ran an 11.60 @ 119 w/ bone stock suspension, transmission and rear end. Since then I've added a BMR short adjustable TA, BMR sub frames, BMR Pan hard,BMR adjustable LCA's, QA1 adjustable coil overs all the way around, and im adding the Spohn rear sway bar, Level 3 4L60E w/ trans brake, and gears. hoping to cut some low 60s and get my 10 second time slip.

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do you have any head work done? those are some bad ass numbers, possibly an ls6 shortlbock?

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damn sounds like im pouring money into the wrong car

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thats where your wrong.

build what you love, its so easy to go buy a maro and make it fast. personally i dont see why anyone can like a camaro, i think there hideous. the only other cars youd catch me pouring money into is a Z06, a 98-99 Viper, 300C SRT8. because i love them....not because some dude put X bolt-ons on the car and its fast. fuck all that. ya maros can be fast, sweet! an ugly, cheap, fast pos....

thats just me tho...



 

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Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on :
 

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Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:

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Originally posted by 87droptop50:

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:

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Originally posted by Jessie P:
Well my 2002 Z28 ran bone stock 13.00 flat and it put down 307 and some change on the dyno. Now i put down 443 rwhp w/ a cam, bolt on's, 4k stall, w/ my cut outs closed and 461 and some change w/ my cut outs open. Ran an 11.60 @ 119 w/ bone stock suspension, transmission and rear end. Since then I've added a BMR short adjustable TA, BMR sub frames, BMR Pan hard,BMR adjustable LCA's, QA1 adjustable coil overs all the way around, and im adding the Spohn rear sway bar, Level 3 4L60E w/ trans brake, and gears. hoping to cut some low 60s and get my 10 second time slip.

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do you have any head work done? those are some bad ass numbers, possibly an ls6 shortlbock?

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damn sounds like im pouring money into the wrong car

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thats where your wrong.

build what you love, its so easy to go buy a maro and make it fast. personally i dont see why anyone can like a camaro, i think there hideous. the only other cars youd catch me pouring money into is a Z06, a 98-99 Viper, 300C SRT8. because i love them....not because some dude put X bolt-ons on the car and its fast. fuck all that. ya maros can be fast, sweet! an ugly, cheap, fast pos....

thats just me tho...

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+1!!!


I love my slow ass stangs....

I didn't buy my cars because they are the fastest, I bought them because they are what I dig &!!! I respect the LSX cars, but the styling is not my Forte....

BTW, it doesnt take much to make a fox coupe faster than a maro... Power to weight ratio FTW!!!!

[ June 12, 2009, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: EPIK ]
 

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Posted by asskickn88 (Member # 4957) on :
 

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Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:

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Originally posted by 50 Deep:
Now wait a minute. Any company that puts the distibutor & half the motor unter the firewall is lightyears ahead

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or the distributor under the water pump!!

true story! LT1....

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Or the battery placed where you have to take the wheel off to get to it.

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Originally posted by BUICK GS:
bottom line is GM couldnt stay afloat. they made overpriced plastic muscle cars. that fell off in 2002. the pontiac line GONE. they made cars that couldnt out sell lower hp mustangs. bottom line is $$$ and sales is all that ford needed, not the faster car. so yea FUCK GM. Government Motors

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Originally posted by 04 S281:
LS-1's are nice, but 52ish HP per Liter off the showroom floor is kinda FAIL IMHO... they respond well to bolt-ons, whoop de doo... they better! 5.7 liters of inefficiency has alot bottled up, no surprise there...

but GM is putting, what, a 6.2 liter in the new Camaro? and it's less than a half a second faster than a 4.6?! i mean, Ford supposedly has a 5 liter modular coming to the 2010 platform that, naturally aspirated, is within 30 hp of the LS3...

give Ford a 5.4, or better, a 5.8, with 3 valve heads or 4, naturally aspirated, and they will shit on GM...

even when price is no object, the supercharged 6.2 LS motor is the new ZR-1 Vette is matched in Horsepower by a 5 liter supercharged modular in the S302 Extreme by Saleen...

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6.2L for the LS3, 430hp, and still pull over 30 MPG on the freeway is inefficient? Wow, my math must be WAY off. GM is still using old school pushrod technology because it still works. Same with the single transverse leaf spring suspension in the C6 vettes. Talk all the crap ya want No one can deny the shitty fisher price interiors though, thats one thing I fckn hate about GM.
 

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Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on :
 
im putting an LS7 in the cobra

thread/

lol

[ June 13, 2009, 06:42 PM: Message edited by: RED@7kVERT *8850GT* ]
 

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Posted by 04 S281 (Member # 9229) on :
 

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Originally posted by Black 02 SS:

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Originally posted by 04 S281:
LS-1's are nice, but 52ish HP per Liter off the showroom floor is kinda FAIL IMHO... they respond well to bolt-ons, whoop de doo... they better! 5.7 liters of inefficiency has alot bottled up, no surprise there...

but GM is putting, what, a 6.2 liter in the new Camaro? and it's less than a half a second faster than a 4.6?! i mean, Ford supposedly has a 5 liter modular coming to the 2010 platform that, naturally aspirated, is within 30 hp of the LS3...

give Ford a 5.4, or better, a 5.8, with 3 valve heads or 4, naturally aspirated, and they will shit on GM...

even when price is no object, the supercharged 6.2 LS motor is the new ZR-1 Vette is matched in Horsepower by a 5 liter supercharged modular in the S302 Extreme by Saleen...

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6.2L for the LS3, 430hp, and still pull over 30 MPG on the freeway is inefficient?

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Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:
when i get the blower buttoned up, i want to run you from a dig Mr. P.

mickey to mickey! lol

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Sounds great to me
 

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Posted by Jessie P (Member # 7073) on :
 

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Originally posted by 87droptop50:

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Originally posted by Jessie P:
Well my 2002 Z28 ran bone stock 13.00 flat and it put down 307 and some change on the dyno. Now i put down 443 rwhp w/ a cam, bolt on's, 4k stall, w/ my cut outs closed and 461 and some change w/ my cut outs open. Ran an 11.60 @ 119 w/ bone stock suspension, transmission and rear end. Since then I've added a BMR short adjustable TA, BMR sub frames, BMR Pan hard,BMR adjustable LCA's, QA1 adjustable coil overs all the way around, and im adding the Spohn rear sway bar, Level 3 4L60E w/ trans brake, and gears. hoping to cut some low 60s and get my 10 second time slip.

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do you have any head work done? those are some bad ass numbers, possibly an ls6 shortlbock?

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damn sounds like im pouring money into the wrong car

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Originally posted by asskickn88:
This Trailblazer has all that shit beat, 4 wheel drive and the front drive axles go through the oil pan! No joke, there is a tube from one side of the oil pan to the other...... Not under the pan, not a notch in the pan but a full on axle through the pan! To pull the motor I have to pull the drive axles and front diff off the oil pan. To get the axles out I have to pull the whole spindle because it won't swing out far enough with just one end unhooked..... This is the biggest pile of shit design I've ran into yet. An 04 trailblazer with the vortech inline 6, 34,000 miles and a rod through the side of the block.

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American cars FTW!!!

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thats what its all about my friends, i own both type of cars a stang and a maro and i love them both!

 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
Is it true Obama told GM and dodge to cancel their NASCAR contracts next year?
 

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Posted by 90FoX (Member # 1974) on :
 

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Originally posted by slowback67:
Is it true Obama told GM and dodge to cancel their NASCAR contracts next year?

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WTF!!! I hope not
 

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Posted by Sovereign (Member # 9119) on :
 

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Originally posted by 04 S281:
LS-1's are nice, but 52ish HP per Liter off the showroom floor is kinda FAIL IMHO... they respond well to bolt-ons, whoop de doo... they better! 5.7 liters of inefficiency has alot bottled up, no surprise there...

but GM is putting, what, a 6.2 liter in the new Camaro? and it's less than a half a second faster than a 4.6?! i mean, Ford supposedly has a 5 liter modular coming to the 2010 platform that, naturally aspirated, is within 30 hp of the LS3...

give Ford a 5.4, or better, a 5.8, with 3 valve heads or 4, naturally aspirated, and they will shit on GM...

even when price is no object, the supercharged 6.2 LS motor is the new ZR-1 Vette is matched in Horsepower by a 5 liter supercharged modular in the S302 Extreme by Saleen...

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6.2L for the LS3, 430hp, and still pull over 30 MPG on the freeway is inefficient?

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yeah, 60something hp per liter is great... pshh... and 30 miles per gallon ON THE FREEWAY is a testament to a well gear 6-speed DOUBLE OVERDRIVE... not the engine. if it got 25 or 30 MPG in the city, THAT would be efficiency...

besides, when i talk efficiency, i mean how much power it can make for a given displacement, not MPG... 385 hp out of a 5.4 ala 2000 Cobra R (70hp per liter) or 400 out of a 5.0 ala 2010 Mustang, who product development director Russell Christophers has already confirmed being developed under the code name "coyote" by Ford USA for deployment in late 2010... (80hp per liter)

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Originally posted by 84SVOrick:
Trickflow and hurst with a little nitrous burst makes the ford coupe fly and the chevy boys cry

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Originally posted by RedBaron:

As for the ls swap in your 5- last I checked for a factory replacement, it was upwards of $9k and climbing- plus all the 'everfail' plastic cooling system components, etc.... the ls swap, sending your kids to college, AND solving world hunger would cost you less!

All that being said though, GMs are poop. 'Nuf said.

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No way. thats hella crazy. is there an article or something on it? [/QB]

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No way. thats hella crazy. is there an article or something on it?

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Yeah, they've been covering it on Badmustangsclub and Autoblog... i'll see if i can scrounge up a link... [/QB]

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