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Posted by Hozr (Member # 6196) on :

Well, since i 'm sitting here a little bored I started reading about our new presidents agenda as found on www.Whitehouse.gov/agenda

Since the topic came up last year regarding the rush on weapons and such and why all the fuss/hurry to buy them up I figured I would share this with you all. Some said it would never happen, well here it is.

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

Well, there is one Right out the window. What's next, freedom of speech? Oh, that's gone too, anyone that speaks against the messiah gets silenced as well.

Fuck, here we go...and it's only day 1

Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on :

They support it...doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

And why exactly does someone need a AR-15? [Confused]

Look up the expired ban...it's pretty specific in what's legal/illegal.

Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Hozr:
Well, since i 'm sitting here a little bored I started reading about our new presidents agenda as found on <a href="http://www.Whitehouse.gov/agenda" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.Whitehouse.gov/agenda</a>

Since the topic came up last year regarding the rush on weapons and such and why all the fuss/hurry to buy them up I figured I would share this with you all. Some said it would never happen, well here it is.

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

Well, there is one Right out the window. What's next, freedom of speech? Oh, that's gone too, anyone that speaks against the messiah gets silenced as well.

Fuck, here we go...and it's only day 1

This has been the ONLY anti-obama rubbish I've seen since the innaugeration. defenitely made me lol.

Posted by sac 5.0 (Member # 2980) on :

quote:
Originally posted by JohnB:
They support it...doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

And why exactly does someone need a AR-15? Look up the expired ban...it's pretty specific in what's legal/illegal.

why dont you need a ar15?it is my right to have one that is why i own some.

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

I am gonna borrow these from Don for a bit

[Roll Eyes]

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

I have 3 ar-15 based guns, there fun to shoot and reliable. Most popular long gun in america. There is a lot of shit people dont need but its a hobby. I work with a guy that has 5 thompsons, a belt fed 8mm and belt fed 50 cal, mp5, uzi, m16, grease gun, and the list goes on of automatic weapons. Just fun to shoot, there all in a shop in another state, but makes for a fun trip.

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

here's the real question, what do you need to be free for??????? just know that it wont stop at assault rifles, when they win one they will push for more. and this my friends is how democrats work, good luck to all of you hopefully we die in 2012!!!!!!

Posted by Pittsburg Mustang Owner (Member # 6100) on :

lol guns aint that serious.

Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
I am gonna borrow these from Don for a bit

pritty fucking stupid thing to be crying about to be honest guns are a hoby... back when they made the amendment it was used for pertection not just to have one cause i feel like shooting a gun... get over it

Posted by Fostang (Member # 3752) on :

John B why do you need a supercharger on your car or a bigger motor??

Maybe you should just give me those since a stock 302 will get the car moving down the road anyways.

I love all of my automatic weapons and the only way anyone will take them away from me will be....

Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :

Fostang-you took the word right out of my mouth. we dont need supercharged 408's either, but it is your right to have them.

Posted by DLo (Member # 6133) on :

quote:
Originally posted by liftedF150:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
I am gonna borrow these from Don for a bit

pritty fucking stupid thing to be crying about to be honest guns are a hoby... back when they made the amendment it was used for pertection not just to have one cause i feel like shooting a gun... get over it

IMO, owning a gun has everything to do with the 1st amendment and America itself as a nation. Our founding fathers made the 2nd amendment to defend the 1st. Throughout history, citizens that were unable to defend themselves were vulnerable and easily controlled. Our country's government is based on the system of checks and balances, and well, I believe the 2nd amendment is part of that. Keep in mind also, our country is relatively young.. only 200+ years? Who knows what could happen in the near future. God forbid America elects a Hitler one day - but if it does happen, at least citizens would be able to gather a militia to do something about it. The 2nd amendment wasn't primarily created for us because we "feel like shooting a gun."

Just my .02 [patriot]

Posted by NavidR (Member # 3164) on :

banning guns aren't going to do anything, its just going to piss off lots of good citizens, trust me the drug dealers, gang members etc. will still be able to buy illeagal guns! and furthermore I agree some states gun laws needs to be improved (NEVADA), for california are gun laws are good enough!

Well see what happens?? maybe next they will ban freedom of press, how about religions?

Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on :

+ 100 for FOSTANG's comments. [patriot]

Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :

quote:
Originally posted by fr5.0:
here's the real question, what do you need to be free for??????? just know that it wont stop at assault rifles, when they win one they will push for more. and this my friends is how democrats work, good luck to all of you hopefully we die in 2012!!!!!!

+1 thats the problem right there....you say "oh just let them take that away", but they will come back for more..it will never just stop there.. nobody ever looks at the bigger picture..

[ January 21, 2009, 11:10 PM: Message edited by: 68dustin ]

Posted by 50 Deep (Member # 6216) on :

I don't think the right to bear arms should be compared to freedom of speech & religion. The right to bear arms affects a niche group of people as opposed to religion & speech.

Not only that but there are many amendments & laws that were obviously dated to the times. It doesn't apear likely in todays U.S. That anoyne would honestly need certain types of weapons the same way we did when the country was in civil unrest.

Also if im reading the quote correctly they are imposing stiffer regulations & banning certain types of guns, not all rights to carry weapons. If u ask me the less weapons on the street the better.

Posted by NorCalRydaz (Member # 3233) on :

Don't know if it true. I heard that the amendment for us to own guns was to protect us FROM our government when it was written.

Posted by DLo (Member # 6133) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 50 Deep:
I don't think the right to bear arms should be compared to freedom of speech & religion. The right to bear arms affects a niche group of people as opposed to religion & speech.

Not only that but there are many amendments & laws that were obviously dated to the times. It doesn't apear likely in todays U.S. That anoyne would honestly need certain types of weapons the same way we did when the country was in civil unrest.

Also if im reading the quote correctly they are imposing stiffer regulations & banning certain types of guns, not all rights to carry weapons. If u ask me the less weapons on the street the better.

I had a coworker who shared the same logic as you. I explained to him using another analogy, but he didn't want to listen. How about this: banning weapons = less weapons on the street? I don't think so. For those of us who love our offroad x/h pipes, long tube headers, etc. etc, has that really stopped all of us from using those parts? For the most part, laws keep honest people honest. The ones who have the means and the want to - they'll still do as they please. Now I do agree with some form of gun control, for example, mentally ill people should not be allowed to own firearms for obvious reasons.

If the right to bear arms shouldn't have anything to do with the freedom of speech and religion, then why did the genius men who began this nation make it the very second amendment, immediately after the one that declares our right to freedom of speech? It was to protect it!

Furthermore, if you say there are amendments that are dated to the times, then could that mean some of them should either be changed or annulled? If that's the case, then many of us should be worried. What if one day, some power hungry politician decides that he/she is better than the average citizen, and that our voices shouldn't be heard anymore? What's the next step, then our votes won't mean anything because the politicians have our backs and they know what's best for us?

Like mentioned above, I completely agree with looking at it from the big picture.

Posted by asskickn88 (Member # 4957) on :

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Originally posted by Fostang:
John B why do you need a supercharger on your car or a bigger motor??

Maybe you should just give me those since a stock 302 will get the car moving down the road anyways.

I'm not into guns at all but they can start banning anything, modifying cars is already a target and its only getting worse.

Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on :

quote:
Originally posted by fr5.0:
here's the real question, what do you need to be free for???????

Give me a break, I've been fighting for your freedom longer than most of this board have had the thought of owning a Mustang, nevermind putting more rounds through a M16 than most of you could ever fathom.

It was a question. No one "needs" a AR-15, it's a want...and yes, a right...but in no way a need. The BS of your right to bear arms is being taken away is an extreme. I am all for the right, as well as the right that the 2nd amendment affords law-biding citizens; I too own a firearm.

It's simple...like any other hobby, all it takes is a few whack-jobs to ruin it for everyone else, thus taking steps (implementing laws) to further remove your ability to obtain said weapons.

Quite obvious that very few here took the time to read the expired ban. It specifically states what is/is not legal and the guidelines on what it applies to. Says nothing about your right to bear arms, nor does it state that you cannot buy them.
Yes, the ban is a joke; only two crimes have been commited with automatic weapons (or semi-autos that have been converted) since 1934 (when the automatic weapon ban was passed)...and one of those crimes was by a police officer, the other was the 1997 Hollywood shootout. As stated above, it only takes a few bad apples, a couple of Democrats on Captiol Hill, and a bill to be passed to screw it up for all.

Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pittsburg Mustang Owner:
lol guns aint that serious.

why you think the police are going to protect you? A lot can happen in 8 minutes or however long it takes the first patrol car to get to your house.

Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

Anyone else read about the new law being proposed that makes you get a federal gun license before you can purchase ANY guns? It'll be just like CCW you have to prove why you need a gun and you'll get denied anyway.

Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by JohnB:

quote:
Originally posted by fr5.0:
here's the real question, what do you need to be free for???????
Give me a break, I've been fighting for your freedom longer than most of this board have had the thought of owning a Mustang, nevermind putting more rounds through a M16 than most of you could ever fathom.

It was a question. No one "needs" a AR-15, it's a want...and yes, a right...but in no way a need. The BS of your right to bear arms is being taken away is an extreme. I am all for the right, as well as the right that the 2nd amendment affords law-biding citizens; I too own a firearm.

It's simple...like any other hobby, all it takes is a few whack-jobs to ruin it for everyone else, thus taking steps (implementing laws) to further remove your ability to obtain said weapons.

Quite obvious that very few here took the time to read the expired ban. It specifically states what is/is not legal and the guidelines on what it applies to. Says nothing about your right to bear arms, nor does it state that you cannot buy them.
Yes, the ban is a joke; only two crimes have been commited with automatic weapons (or semi-autos that have been converted) since 1934 (when the automatic weapon ban was passed)...and one of those crimes was by a police officer, the other was the 1997 Hollywood shootout. As stated above, it only takes a few bad apples, a couple of Democrats on Captiol Hill, and a bill to be passed to screw it up for all.

Yeah i agree but if we let this ban pass whats to stop them to say "oh this person just killed 5 people with a semi-auto handgun, lets do a semi-auto hand gun ban next."
Once they start taking away one right they will start taking away the rest. They start with the one they think is the easiest, AWB would be easy because not many people have them and like you said they aren't needed (unless we're invaded or something else) they are just a want.

Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by liftedF150:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
I am gonna borrow these from Don for a bit

pritty fucking stupid thing to be crying about to be honest guns are a hoby... back when they made the amendment it was used for pertection not just to have one cause i feel like shooting a gun... get over it

So when they start banning Mustangs cause they don't get good gas mileage and are poluters are you going to cry or just give up your mustang and walk away in shame?

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 50 Deep:
I don't think the right to bear arms should be compared to freedom of speech & religion. The right to bear arms affects a niche group of people as opposed to religion & speech.

Not only that but there are many amendments & laws that were obviously dated to the times. It doesn't apear likely in todays U.S. That anoyne would honestly need certain types of weapons the same way we did when the country was in civil unrest.

Also if im reading the quote correctly they are imposing stiffer regulations & banning certain types of guns, not all rights to carry weapons. If u ask me the less weapons on the street the better.

+10

I am all in favor of this. But then again I am not a big gun enthusiast. So for the the enthusiasts I equate this to not being able to see the forest because of the trees. One thing is for sure is people will always complain over something. So this essentially is just the "Soup O' the Day"

Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 50 Deep:
I don't think the right to bear arms should be compared to freedom of speech & religion. The right to bear arms affects a niche group of people as opposed to religion & speech.

Not only that but there are many amendments & laws that were obviously dated to the times. It doesn't apear likely in todays U.S. That anoyne would honestly need certain types of weapons the same way we did when the country was in civil unrest.

Also if im reading the quote correctly they are imposing stiffer regulations & banning certain types of guns, not all rights to carry weapons. If u ask me the less weapons on the street the better.

Like stated before once they get their "little" ban across they will start going for more and more until we don't have a right to defend ourselves and our loved ones.

Posted by 427 StRoKeR SN94 (Member # 8722) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 50 Deep:
I don't think the right to bear arms should be compared to freedom of speech & religion. The right to bear arms affects a niche group of people as opposed to religion & speech.

Not only that but there are many amendments & laws that were obviously dated to the times. It doesn't apear likely in todays U.S. That anoyne would honestly need certain types of weapons the same way we did when the country was in civil unrest.

Also if im reading the quote correctly they are imposing stiffer regulations & banning certain types of guns, not all rights to carry weapons. If u ask me the less weapons on the street the better.

this will not stop gangs and criminals from getting guns at all

Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

Banning guns has ZERO effect on gun crime. I will find the studies on this and post them up when I do.

Criminals will ALWAYS find a way to get guns. All gun control does is keep guns away from honest citizens.

The hobby of shooting and the right to bear arms should never be encroached upon.

You think banning semi-auto hand guns is gonna stop domestc violence shooting deaths? NOPE, nadda, zilch. Are we going to have to ban knives too since those kill people? You can kill someone with just about anything.

The truth of the matter is the only people this will effect will be honest citizens. NO ONE ELSE. This whole this is just political bullshit, advancing ones agenda.

But other then that, GO OBAMA!

Mike

[ January 22, 2009, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: 90gtvert ]

Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

I am 100% against bans. Banning something takes away someones right to choose.

Like others have said criminals will still get the banned weapons the ban only effects the law-abidding citizens who now is less able to defend themselves against the criminal with the banned weapon.

Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 50 Deep:
I don't think the right to bear arms should be compared to freedom of speech & religion. The right to bear arms affects a niche group of people as opposed to religion & speech.

Not only that but there are many amendments & laws that were obviously dated to the times. It doesn't apear likely in todays U.S. That anoyne would honestly need certain types of weapons the same way we did when the country was in civil unrest.

Also if im reading the quote correctly they are imposing stiffer regulations & banning certain types of guns, not all rights to carry weapons. If u ask me the less weapons on the street the better.

it's a slippery slope. they start with 1 gun and move to the next.. people are to stuipd to realize whats going on.. then one day you wake up and you figure out your not free anymore.. and shit we don't need the freedom of religion.. it's only for a niche group.. hell i know i don't need it cause i don't belive in god.. so since i don't everyone else should lose there rights also.. [patriot]

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

So you guys are mad about the speculation of further bans possibly on the horizon? And not necessarily what is being proposed?

Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
So you guys are mad about the speculation of further bans possibly on the horizon? And not necessarily what is being proposed?

Well Barak has a history of stating that he wants to ban ALL assault and semi-auto rifles.

Mike

Posted by 427 StRoKeR SN94 (Member # 8722) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
Banning guns has ZERO effect on gun crime. I will find the studies on this and post them up when I do.

Criminals will ALWAYS find a way to get guns. All gun control does is keep guns away from honest citizens.

The hobby of shooting and the right to bear arms should never be encroached upon.

You think banning semi-auto hand guns is gonna stop domestc violence shooting deaths? NOPE, nadda, zilch. Are we going to have to ban knives too since those kill people? You can kill someone with just about anything.

The truth of the matter is the only people this will effect will be honest citizens. NO ONE ELSE. This whole this is just political bullshit, advancing ones agenda.

But other then that, GO OBAMA!

Mike

+1 exactly banning want stop shit

Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
So you guys are mad about the speculation of further bans possibly on the horizon? And not necessarily what is being proposed?
Well Barak has a history of stating that he wants to ban ALL assault and semi-auto rifles.

Mike

All guns period but according to so many Obama supporters he is too busy to ban any kind of guns. [Roll Eyes]

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
So you guys are mad about the speculation of further bans possibly on the horizon? And not necessarily what is being proposed?
Well Barak has a history of stating that he wants to ban ALL assault and semi-auto rifles.

Mike

So the answer is yes. You guys are mad about the likelihood.

[Roll Eyes]

I can dig being mad if it comes to past. But damn getting your best Mrs. Cleo rendition on, then getting mad about your predictions and personifying it is....well.... ridiculous

[ January 22, 2009, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]

Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
So you guys are mad about the speculation of further bans possibly on the horizon? And not necessarily what is being proposed?
Well Barak has a history of stating that he wants to ban ALL assault and semi-auto rifles.

Mike
So the answer is yes. You guys are mad about the likelihood.

I can dig being mad if it comes to past. But damn getting your best Mrs. Cleo rendition on, then getting mad about your predictions and personifying it is....well.... ridiculous

It's better to plan ahead to fight it(especially when your one of those gun owners he wants to ban) then to sit on your ass until it passes and then try and fight it.

To quote Gi Joe - Knowing is half the battle

Mike

[ January 22, 2009, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: 90gtvert ]

Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
So you guys are mad about the speculation of further bans possibly on the horizon? And not necessarily what is being proposed?
Well Barak has a history of stating that he wants to ban ALL assault and semi-auto rifles.

Mike
So the answer is yes. You guys are mad about the likelihood.

I can dig being mad if it comes to past. But damn getting your best Mrs. Cleo rendition on, then getting mad about your predictions and personifying it is....well.... ridiculous

yeah i am mad at the possiblity my rights as a human being will be taken away because of politics and one persons agenda. When things get banned your taking away a persons right to choose.
So i am guessing your ok with having your right to choose being taken away from you. When something you like to do get threatens to be banned or is banned you will do the same thing we gun owners will do.

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

Well no I understand you guys that are passionate about this. But I am just saying I wouldn't fly off half cocked and junk. Personally I have my guns, and if I want a assault rifle I will go through what ever channels are there to get one. I have no problem with processes. But quite few things have to happen before there is amendment is placed there. So it is not solely on Obama. Like I said if it wasn't this then people would complain about something else.

Personally I would not take this as a human right being stripped. And I don't suppose a snowball effect either. I just found it amazing that that folks got all up in arms about this. And just blew it out of proportion.

[ January 22, 2009, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]

Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
Well no I understand you guys that are passionate about this. But I am just saying I wouldn't fly off half cocked and junk. Personally I have my guns, and if I want a assault rifle I will go through what ever channels are there to get one. I have no problem with processes. But quite few things have to happen before there is amendment is placed there. So it is not solely on Obama. Like I said if it wasn't this then people would complain about something else.

Personally I would not take this as a human right being stripped. And I don't suppose a snowball effect either. I just found it amazing that that folks got all up in arms about this. And just blew it out of proportion.

It is a human right to defend ones self, loved ones and property. Would you bring a knife to a gun fight? Cause criminals will have guns and all you'll have is a knife because your a law-abidding citizen. When it comes down to it once they start banning stuff there is nothing to stop them from continuing except the law-abidding citizen who stands up for their rights. Its my rights to buy an semi-auto rifle if i want to.
I'd rather have my right to bear arms ANY arms and not need them than to not have that right and need to bear arms and not have them.

[ January 22, 2009, 01:19 PM: Message edited by: 532Fastback ]

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
Well no I understand you guys that are passionate about this. But I am just saying I wouldn't fly off half cocked and junk. Personally I have my guns, and if I want a assault rifle I will go through what ever channels are there to get one. I have no problem with processes. But quite few things have to happen before there is amendment is placed there. So it is not solely on Obama. Like I said if it wasn't this then people would complain about something else.

Personally I would not take this as a human right being stripped. And I don't suppose a snowball effect either. I just found it amazing that that folks got all up in arms about this. And just blew it out of proportion.
It is a human right to defend ones self, loved ones and property. Would you bring a knife to a gun fight? Cause criminals will have guns and all you'll have is a knife because your a law-abidding citizen. When it comes down to it once they start banning stuff there is nothing to stop them from continuing except the law-abidding citizen who stands up for their rights. Its my rights to buy an semi-auto rifle if i want to.
I'd rather have my right to bear arms ANY arms and not need them than to not have that right and need to bear arms and not have them.

That is where I see it getting fanatical and rambley. I do not see a total ban on guns. Now to ban guns altogether I would share your frustration. But just a ban/process in place for a particular gun. I do not see the problem with that. At this point it is not banned.

Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
Well no I understand you guys that are passionate about this. But I am just saying I wouldn't fly off half cocked and junk. Personally I have my guns, and if I want a assault rifle I will go through what ever channels are there to get one. I have no problem with processes. But quite few things have to happen before there is amendment is placed there. So it is not solely on Obama. Like I said if it wasn't this then people would complain about something else.

Personally I would not take this as a human right being stripped. And I don't suppose a snowball effect either. I just found it amazing that that folks got all up in arms about this. And just blew it out of proportion.
It is a human right to defend ones self, loved ones and property. Would you bring a knife to a gun fight? Cause criminals will have guns and all you'll have is a knife because your a law-abidding citizen. When it comes down to it once they start banning stuff there is nothing to stop them from continuing except the law-abidding citizen who stands up for their rights. Its my rights to buy an semi-auto rifle if i want to.
I'd rather have my right to bear arms ANY arms and not need them than to not have that right and need to bear arms and not have them.
That is where I see it getting fanatical and rambley. I do not see a total ban on guns. Now to ban guns altogether I would share your frustration. But just a ban/process in place for a particular gun. I do not see the problem with that. At this point it is not banned.

Obama believes Americans don't need guns especially in the urban areas. So its just a matter of time before he starts banning more and more. Its not fanatical, look at Britain, they can't even own a gun to hunt anymore and their crimes rate went up once their gun law came into effect cause criminals now know they have nothing to fear from the people they rob.

[ January 22, 2009, 06:20 PM: Message edited by: 532Fastback ]

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
Well no I understand you guys that are passionate about this. But I am just saying I wouldn't fly off half cocked and junk. Personally I have my guns, and if I want a assault rifle I will go through what ever channels are there to get one. I have no problem with processes. But quite few things have to happen before there is amendment is placed there. So it is not solely on Obama. Like I said if it wasn't this then people would complain about something else.

Personally I would not take this as a human right being stripped. And I don't suppose a snowball effect either. I just found it amazing that that folks got all up in arms about this. And just blew it out of proportion.
It is a human right to defend ones self, loved ones and property. Would you bring a knife to a gun fight? Cause criminals will have guns and all you'll have is a knife because your a law-abidding citizen. When it comes down to it once they start banning stuff there is nothing to stop them from continuing except the law-abidding citizen who stands up for their rights. Its my rights to buy an semi-auto rifle if i want to.
I'd rather have my right to bear arms ANY arms and not need them than to not have that right and need to bear arms and not have them.
That is where I see it getting fanatical and rambley. I do not see a total ban on guns. Now to ban guns altogether I would share your frustration. But just a ban/process in place for a particular gun. I do not see the problem with that. At this point it is not banned.
Obama believes Americans don't need guns especially in the urban areas. So its just a matter of time before he starts banning more and more. Its not fanatical, look at Britain, they can't even own a gun to hunt anymore and their crimes rate went up once their gun law came into effect cause criminals now know they have nothing to fear from the people they rob.

Still speculation at best. And are you comparing a democratic government to a monarchist one?

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

I think it's retarded. Can't the energy, money and effort be put into something usefull like feeding dying kids or putting clothes on homeless peoples backs. Maybe fill a pot hole or two or three, hell repaire a whole road? Put some kids in school, afterschool programs, support a school,...use those resources in a way to improve the next generation of kids so that guns will stay being a recreational want and not a need.

Anyone ever think that rather than taking a gun away because of it's potential dangers, maybe we should have a better society of less dangerous people?

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!!!

Parents just need to step up their game, stop slackin off and actaully TEACH their kids from a young age until the day you die what the differences are between being a fuckoff and not being so much of a fuckoff.

ps. 2012,...BRING IT!!!

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

OH and want to hear (read) something funny. We don't currently own a gun as my wife is against it for the time being. But she even says we better get a gun if one day it's passed that we no longer have the right to bare arms.

It's common sence that crime will jump the very weekend that ever happens.

Posted by 5.0-srt-4 (Member # 5864) on :

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Originally posted by 90gtvert:
Banning guns has ZERO effect on gun crime. I will find the studies on this and post them up when I do.

Criminals will ALWAYS find a way to get guns. All gun control does is keep guns away from honest citizens.

The hobby of shooting and the right to bear arms should never be encroached upon.

You think banning semi-auto hand guns is gonna stop domestc violence shooting deaths? NOPE, nadda, zilch. Are we going to have to ban knives too since those kill people? You can kill someone with just about anything.

The truth of the matter is the only people this will effect will be honest citizens. NO ONE ELSE. This whole this is just political bullshit, advancing ones agenda.

But other then that, GO OBAMA!

Mike

your statement is 100 percent correct. regardless of others so called points and what not. you hit it on the head. [patriot]

Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by N8:
I am gonna borrow these from Don for a bit

pritty fucking stupid thing to be crying about to be honest guns are a hoby... back when they made the amendment it was used for pertection not just to have one cause i feel like shooting a gun... get over it
So when they start banning Mustangs cause they don't get good gas mileage and are poluters are you going to cry or just give up your mustang and walk away in shame?

Sure i dont own a mustang anymore so go ahead [Big Grin]

I could honestly go either way on this and i think this is one of those topics that people are going to have to agree to dis agree. I can see it being a right to be able to buy guns but then again there are already gun laws for states wich dont allow you to posses certain guns so what makes this law any more different then what is already going on, now it would just be a standard for the country not just state to state...

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

N8, the reality is you are a die hard democrat Obama supporter, so the chances of someone on this board changing your mind in the right directions is never gunna happen.
I would like every republican on this board to take in to account that democrates are sheep they are not free and do not wish to be free they wish to be told what to do.
In this case, like N8, he believes that the Dems will let him know about their plan for Communism and would never take all of our freedoms away, one by one untill we have none.
The people that share my views are considered true Americans. And like I said before, this will be the first of many gun rights they try to take from us. And yes, this does have to do with the First Amendment. Once you lose the right to protect your home and family you have lost your freedom. And that cannot be argued. [dance]

Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by N8:
Well no I understand you guys that are passionate about this. But I am just saying I wouldn't fly off half cocked and junk. Personally I have my guns, and if I want a assault rifle I will go through what ever channels are there to get one. I have no problem with processes. But quite few things have to happen before there is amendment is placed there. So it is not solely on Obama. Like I said if it wasn't this then people would complain about something else.

Personally I would not take this as a human right being stripped. And I don't suppose a snowball effect either. I just found it amazing that that folks got all up in arms about this. And just blew it out of proportion.
It is a human right to defend ones self, loved ones and property. Would you bring a knife to a gun fight? Cause criminals will have guns and all you'll have is a knife because your a law-abidding citizen. When it comes down to it once they start banning stuff there is nothing to stop them from continuing except the law-abidding citizen who stands up for their rights. Its my rights to buy an semi-auto rifle if i want to.
I'd rather have my right to bear arms ANY arms and not need them than to not have that right and need to bear arms and not have them.
That is where I see it getting fanatical and rambley. I do not see a total ban on guns. Now to ban guns altogether I would share your frustration. But just a ban/process in place for a particular gun. I do not see the problem with that. At this point it is not banned.
Obama believes Americans don't need guns especially in the urban areas. So its just a matter of time before he starts banning more and more. Its not fanatical, look at Britain, they can't even own a gun to hunt anymore and their crimes rate went up once their gun law came into effect cause criminals now know they have nothing to fear from the people they rob.
Still speculation at best. And are you comparing a democratic government to a monarchist one?

no i am comparing what politicians will do once they get their way.

Another example would be the cell phone laws, first they make it so you have to have a hands free, now you can't text, now they are talking about no cell phones at all while driving. They know they can get their way so they are pushing their agendas.
Obama was elected to protect the American people's rights and protect the Constitution. He does neither making an AW Ban.
I believe the 2nd Amendment was created to keep the Government in check, if the people have no way to defend themselves we can be walked all over by the Government, just like the English King tried doing back before America was created.

Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by N8:
I am gonna borrow these from Don for a bit

pritty fucking stupid thing to be crying about to be honest guns are a hoby... back when they made the amendment it was used for pertection not just to have one cause i feel like shooting a gun... get over it
So when they start banning Mustangs cause they don't get good gas mileage and are poluters are you going to cry or just give up your mustang and walk away in shame?
Sure i dont own a mustang anymore so go ahead I could honestly go either way on this and i think this is one of those topics that people are going to have to agree to dis agree. I can see it being a right to be able to buy guns but then again there are already gun laws for states wich dont allow you to posses certain guns so what makes this law any more different then what is already going on, now it would just be a standard for the country not just state to state...

OK lets ban Lifted F150's because they get poor gas mileage which ruins our atmosphere and makes supposed "greenhouse gases"

Fuck it lets just have the government ban everything and make only things they accept that we should have so everyone looks the same, drives the same car, lives in the same house, has the same job, makes the same money. Sounds like a Communist state to me.

[ January 22, 2009, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: 532Fastback ]

Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

Go watch the movie Equilibrium.

Let's ban emotions too!

Sorry had to do it [Razz]

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by N8:
I am gonna borrow these from Don for a bit

pritty fucking stupid thing to be crying about to be honest guns are a hoby... back when they made the amendment it was used for pertection not just to have one cause i feel like shooting a gun... get over it
So when they start banning Mustangs cause they don't get good gas mileage and are poluters are you going to cry or just give up your mustang and walk away in shame?
Sure i dont own a mustang anymore so go ahead I could honestly go either way on this and i think this is one of those topics that people are going to have to agree to dis agree. I can see it being a right to be able to buy guns but then again there are already gun laws for states wich dont allow you to posses certain guns so what makes this law any more different then what is already going on, now it would just be a standard for the country not just state to state...
OK lets ban Lifted F150's because they get poor gas mileage which ruins our atmosphere and makes supposed "greenhouse gases"

Fuck it lets just have the government ban everything and make only things they accept that we should have so everyone looks the same, drives the same car, lives in the same house, has the same job, makes the same money. Sounds like a Communist state to me.

i think you ment country right [Wink]

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by fr5.0:
N8, the reality is you are a die hard democrat Obama supporter, so the chances of someone on this board changing your mind in the right directions is never gunna happen.
I would like every republican on this board to take in to account that democrates are sheep they are not free and do not wish to be free they wish to be told what to do.
In this case, like N8, he believes that the Dems will let him know about their plan for Communism and would never take all of our freedoms away, one by one untill we have none.
The people that share my views are considered true Americans. And like I said before, this will be the first of many gun rights they try to take from us. And yes, this does have to do with the First Amendment. Once you lose the right to protect your home and family you have lost your freedom. And that cannot be argued.

Actually I don't think I have a formal political affiliation. And I don't believe any politician...EVER. Their is only gonna be a lesser of 2 evils when it comes to them. But if you think Republicans are any better, then I would say old idiot or new fool. It just trips me out how all the conspiracy theorists are popping up and speculating. Speculation is good in moderation. But when you personify it and just run with it. I just think that is bizarre. They are planning one amendment and you guys would think we were being catapulted back to the days of horse and buggies. I just find it strange that's all. I am not knocking anyone for being passionate about their past time or hobbies.

Posted by 50 Deep (Member # 6216) on :

so i have been reading arguments stating these points below. these are simple summarizations.

1) our second amendment rights to bear arms (especially semi-automatic weapons) are needed in order to protect the people from the government.

2) banning semi-auto or any other weapons will allow criminals to run the streets as they still have guns & leave ones home vulnerable.

3)You believe that gun violence in the U.S. is has no correlation to the ease of access of guns and stiffer regulations or banning of weapons will have no affect.

*Yes i did put an emphasis on the semi-automatic weapons since those are up for being banned*

Now for all of those who support these views i have questions of my own to ask which i ask you give only factual answers too or YOUR OWN personal experience. not "what if" or "i know a guy" statements.

1) With the current state of our government & last 50 years of history do you feel in the forseeable future you will need to be able to furnish weapons against our government officials to protect from a tyrannical or dictator style government take over?

2) when was the last time you or anyone else you know needed to furnish any of the semi-automatic weapons you owned to protect your home from said gang members that run the streets or imminent danger?

3) Can you explain how certian european or asian countries that do not allow free purchase of guns but have the same if not more exposure to violence in media have far few gun related deaths?

To bring up an imortant point, i read the many pages regarding the incompetence of the officer who shot & killed that kid in the Bart station. Now that officer recieved a 4-6 months of training on how to use his weapon, what situations require deadly force, & a extensive background check/psych evaluation before being given a weapon. For all the gun owners that condemned the officer for his actions, why would you not want stiffer regulations and control of high powered weapons given to the general population with no training, way less extensive background checks, & no one to assess thier mental state?

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by fr5.0:
N8, the reality is you are a die hard democrat Obama supporter, so the chances of someone on this board changing your mind in the right directions is never gunna happen.
I would like every republican on this board to take in to account that democrates are sheep they are not free and do not wish to be free they wish to be told what to do.
In this case, like N8, he believes that the Dems will let him know about their plan for Communism and would never take all of our freedoms away, one by one untill we have none.
The people that share my views are considered true Americans. And like I said before, this will be the first of many gun rights they try to take from us. And yes, this does have to do with the First Amendment. Once you lose the right to protect your home and family you have lost your freedom. And that cannot be argued.
Actually I don't think I have a formal political affiliation. And I don't believe any politician...EVER. Their is only gonna be a lesser of 2 evils when it comes to them. But if you think Republicans are any better, then I would say old idiot or new fool. It just trips me out how all the conspiracy theorists are popping up and speculating. Speculation is good in moderation. But when you personify it and just run with it. I just think that is bizarre. They are planning one amendment and you guys would think we were being catapulted back to the days of horse and buggies. I just find it strange that's all. I am not knocking anyone for being passionate about their past time or hobbies.

laws and regulations are passed every year, that most no nothing about untill its allready passed.
politicians scam honest americans who think they are free with there encripted voting balots, and youre going to use Speculation to cover there tracks for them. good job! ill take my chances with standing up for my rights befor there taken away, you can go ahead and push your head a little deeper in to your shell.
for your comment "you guys would think we were being catapulted back to the days of horse and buggies." those days where run by real americans (republicans), and they did a damn good job cuz where here now. your type is whats wrong with america N8, "picking the lesser of two evils" that just shows how ignorant your thinking process is. you voted for you not us, i know this cuz none of his views help our country long standing. [patriot]

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

hahahaha....fr you are one of the funniest cats on this board. I love it. If you think republicans are the honest type you vote for yourself as well. Because you are plain delusional, gullible, and pretty much as good as a cookie cutter clone. If you cannot separate the person from the party and view things in real life. You are everything you claim I am. Blind ignorance is bliss I bet. And it one of the snagging points of the advancement of this country. Glad there werent enough you voting this election [patriot]

Anyway do not want to make this a Rep v Dem thing. I just like to understand why people think the way they do. The man has done nothing yet, and he is already being condemned. Bush farked up so bad that a stump can sit in that seat and do a better job yet you guys make no mention of that. But he makes it harder to get one type of gun (which most states already do anyway), then everyone pitches a fit.

[ January 23, 2009, 12:26 AM: Message edited by: N8 ]

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by N8:
hahahaha....fr you are one of the funniest cats on this board. I love it. If you think republicans are the honest type you vote for yourself as well. Because you are plain delusional, gullible, and pretty much as good as a cookie cutter clone. If you cannot separate the person from the party and view things in real life. You are everything you claim I am. Blind ignorance is bliss I bet. And it one of the snagging points of the advancement of this country. Glad there werent enough you voting this election

Anyway do not want to make this a Rep v Dem thing. I just like to understand why people think the way they do. The man has done nothing yet, and he is already being condemned. Bush farked up so bad that a stump can sit in that seat and do a better job yet you guys make no mention of that. But he makes it harder to get one type of gun (which most states already do anyway), then everyone pitches a fit.

ya because then we wouldnt be this close to losing our freedom huh???? dems have been the freedom theaf since the begining, are you kidding if you want speculation the dems take the cake!!!! bet that!
ya a stump would do a better job, cuz it wouldnt come in to office and start pushing for Fascism within the first week. we are grown ass adults we dont need mommys and daddys telling use whats good for us, if you want that you should move to canada!!!!!

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

whats next a curfew???? wheres will smith when you need some one to fight some robots lol.

Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by N8:
I am gonna borrow these from Don for a bit

pritty fucking stupid thing to be crying about to be honest guns are a hoby... back when they made the amendment it was used for pertection not just to have one cause i feel like shooting a gun... get over it
So when they start banning Mustangs cause they don't get good gas mileage and are poluters are you going to cry or just give up your mustang and walk away in shame?
Sure i dont own a mustang anymore so go ahead I could honestly go either way on this and i think this is one of those topics that people are going to have to agree to dis agree. I can see it being a right to be able to buy guns but then again there are already gun laws for states wich dont allow you to posses certain guns so what makes this law any more different then what is already going on, now it would just be a standard for the country not just state to state...
OK lets ban Lifted F150's because they get poor gas mileage which ruins our atmosphere and makes supposed "greenhouse gases"

Fuck it lets just have the government ban everything and make only things they accept that we should have so everyone looks the same, drives the same car, lives in the same house, has the same job, makes the same money. Sounds like a Communist state to me.

thats fine i dont have a lifted f150 anymore either hahaha

Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :

Obama will mention a ban within the next week or two.

MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- Miami police issued a plea for information Saturday after at least one person with an assault rifle opened fire on a crowd of people on a streetcorner Friday night, killing two teens and wounding seven other people.
Evidence markers dot the Miami street where nine people were gunned down with an AK-47 Friday night.

"We need the community to come together, someone come forward and give us a tip," Miami Police Officer Kenia Alfonso told CNN.

"There are a lot of people in that area. Someone must have seen something, someone must know who could've done this horrific crime."

Alfonso said two teens, ages 16 and 18, died in the attack, which broke up a game of craps in front of a grocery store about 9:50 p.m. Friday in the city's Liberty City neighborhood.

Five of the shooting victims were still in the hospital Saturday night, according to CNN affiliate WSVN.

Others told WSVN that a masked man with an AK-47 burst onto the scene and ordered everyone to the ground.

"Boy came round the corner; he was like, 'Get down,' and he just started shooting," 16-year-old victim Andrew Jackson told WSVN. Video Watch as resident describes scene as "war zone" »

Six of the nine shot were current or former Northwestern Senior High School students, Alfonso said.

"It was like a war zone," resident Joan Rutherford told WSVN. "I witnessed this guy laying there with his face, looked like it was completely tore off. His eyes was all I could see, and he had a grip on some money and gasping and trying to lift his head up to say something."

Police Chief John Timoney said that at least one man with an AK-47 "discharged numerous rounds, then ran around the corner. There were some more rounds discharged there from an AK-47 and another weapon."

One of those wounded was in critical condition Saturday and undergoing surgery, Timoney said.

"We are convinced that because of the amount of people out here last night that there is somebody that knows the individuals or individual involved, and we need them to come forward," Timoney said, according to WSVN.
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"These are weapons of war, and they don't belong on the streets of Miami or any other street in America," Mayor Manuel Diaz said.

Sorry Mayor but banning them won't stop criminals from getting them.

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

Posted by KeithStang7 (Member # 1945) on :

Instead of the banning of objects that don't even have a heart beat, our legal system needs to take a step back and look at the real problem. It's the person that needs to be held accountable for their actions. We need to start making examples out of those who break the serious laws...........ummmm like MURDER. If guns kill people, then spoons made Rosie O'Donnel FAT! We should start putting executions on PPV. And give the proceeds to the victoms of the executed. Like it's been stated before, you can kill with anything. So why should innocent civilians be punished for the crimes they did'nt commit? There should be much harsher punishments for those who commit the more serious crimes. Just my 2 cents. [patriot]

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

its just retarted, this dumb fuck comes in office and the first thing he does is gun bans. our economy is in shambles and he starts gun bans wtf! thas doesnt strike any of you people that dont think this is a bad idea as odd?
whats he going to do next, help other countrys with there economy problems?
obama is a dousche bag how the hell is a 500% tax increase on fire arms gunna help out our economy? [Mad]

[ January 27, 2009, 11:35 PM: Message edited by: fr5.0 ]

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

GO OBAMA!!! My guns are legal so I AM NOT TRIPPIN [Big Grin]

As a small/medium business owner I am diggin what he has planned as stimulus for people in my boat... [Big Grin]

He is pissing off people that voted for Bush. He is doing something right [patriot]

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by N8:
GO OBAMA!!! My guns are legal so I AM NOT TRIPPIN

As a small/medium business owner I am diggin what he has planned as stimulus for people in my boat...

He is pissing off people that voted for Bush. He is doing something right

my guns are legal to and some day id like to own more, but its never gunna happen with this dusche in office. also hes putting a ban on affordable hand guns, so you wont be buying any new ones either.
i didnt vote for bush [Wink]

nice try! why bring bush up any how, whats the relevance, do you even look at what you type.
its nice to know we have people such as your caliber, no shame in begging for a hand out right!!!!
ill go ahead and keep my dignity, i dont need charity.

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

If it will help me keep my employees employed, hell yeah I will be the first with my hand out. Plus it will help me launch a new service/product. So hell yea I will have both hands out.

Also he just extended unemployment to 2 years I am sure that will help a lot of folks.

So again I say....GO OBAMA. Change is never gonna make everyone happy. But so far he is off to a good start IMO.

Also never said you in particular voted for Bush [Wink]

Calm down too, I am just jerkin ya chain as well.

[ January 28, 2009, 12:00 AM: Message edited by: N8 ]

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by N8:
If it will help me keep my employees employed, hell yeah I will be the first with my hand out. Plus it will help me launch a new service/product. So hell yea I will have both hands out.

Also he just extended unemployment to 2 years I am sure that will help a lot of folks.

So again I say....GO OBAMA. Change is never gonna make everyone happy. But so far he is off to a good start IMO.

Also never said you in particular voted for Bush

Calm down too, I am just jerkin ya chain as well.

my bad i got a little steamed. how does keeping people on unemployment for 2 years help our economy? this change doesnt seem relivent to me, first a gun ban wait a series of gun bans and a two year unemployment reign. wtf!

Posted by 302 DROP (Member # 1323) on :

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

you dont get it, hes supposed to be fixing the economy, thats our countries first objective, but instead hes taking freedoms thats not odd to you. [Confused]

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by 302 DROP:

stacy keibler right? she is so bad!

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

Tell all these people that have lost their jobs that you do not understand how that helps the economy. Believe me it helps. The small business stimulus will help me tremendously. No one is ever going to be 100% happy with a president. It is just a fact. But my point is the man is doing some good things. And the things that may be bad to you. Can be the greatest thing to others. Its all in perception.

Oh and I would hit that, but that is not my ideal back shot. Now get a picture of Trina or the chick from the Outkast video, now we talking.

[ January 28, 2009, 12:14 AM: Message edited by: N8 ]

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

I think I'm the only one here that finds the pic I posted funny as hell

Posted by 302 DROP (Member # 1323) on :

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
Tell all these people that have lost their jobs that you do not understand how that helps the economy. Believe me it helps. The small business stimulus will help me tremendously. No one is ever going to be 100% happy with a president. It is just a fact. But my point is the man is doing some good things. And the things that may be bad to you. Can be the greatest thing to others. Its all in perception.

Oh and I would hit that, but that is not my ideal back shot. Now get a picture of Trina or the chick from the Outkast video, now we talking.

ya ill get right on telling everyone how where heading towards being a communist contry, and this is just the start.
the economy doesnt get better by just paying your bills, why do you think major corporations are closing there doors.
people have to have spending money and unimployment doesnt give you that! [BS flag]

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by cummins:
I think I'm the only one here that finds the pic I posted funny as hell

i was amused but then i thought about getting seconds and thought if i laugh i might not beable to preform [Big Grin]

Posted by KeithStang7 (Member # 1945) on :

I think their great! And also think you should post more before "they" ban those too!

Posted by DLo (Member # 6133) on :

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Originally posted by cummins:
I think I'm the only one here that finds the pic I posted funny as hell

Not as funny as this:

Posted by KeithStang7 (Member # 1945) on :

Thats not funny! Those people are waiting for their socialist welfare check! Why should the hard working Americans get to keep all the money. That not fair. [Frown]

JJ BTW

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KeithStang7:
Thats not funny! Those people are waiting for their socialist welfare check! Why should the hard working Americans get to keep all the money. That not fair. JJ BTW

hahahahahahahhaahhahahahahaahahaha omfg i was thinking that same thing i wanna give you a high five for that one

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L6hST2HPuw

Key emphasis on the 2.30 mark

Posted by 302 DROP (Member # 1323) on :

ill bitch slap you to africa.....

Posted by DLo (Member # 6133) on :

CHAAAAAAAAANGE!!!!!!

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

ya and hows that punk gunna spend that much on his own inauguration, and still be about helping the American economy.

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

Well this is how

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

you guys are fools....ahahahahaa. I still say, he is making the people mad that voted for Bush (or McCain), he is no doubt doing something right. If ya'll were on the bandwagon I would know something was going terribly wrong.

The more funny pictures and colorful commentary that gets put out there is a plus. Because you guys were all too quiet for 8 years of madness. And all too prepared to stay that way for another 4 years (at least)

[ January 28, 2009, 07:36 AM: Message edited by: N8 ]

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
you guys are fools....ahahahahaa. I still say, he is making the people mad that voted for Bush (or McCain), he is no doubt doing something right. If ya'll were on the bandwagon I would know something was going terribly wrong.

The more funny pictures and colorful commentary that gets put out there is a plus. Because you guys were all too quiet for 8 years of madness. And all too prepared to stay that way for another 4 years (at least)

wait youre saying that obama is doing the right thing? you havent even answer the main question, isnt it odd that hes pushing for bans on fire arms instead of fixing the economy?
how do you call it doing something good if hes pissing on america? our country was founded on the constitution, and you think its right that some tard comes along and takes it away? you got issues! this is the same thing bush voters did for 8 years, call it good and it might be. sorry bud but my freedom isnt worth a couple extra bucks in my pocket!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by fr5.0:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
you guys are fools....ahahahahaa. I still say, he is making the people mad that voted for Bush (or McCain), he is no doubt doing something right. If ya'll were on the bandwagon I would know something was going terribly wrong.

The more funny pictures and colorful commentary that gets put out there is a plus. Because you guys were all too quiet for 8 years of madness. And all too prepared to stay that way for another 4 years (at least)
wait youre saying that obama is doing the right thing? you havent even answer the main question, isnt it odd that hes pushing for bans on fire arms instead of fixing the economy?
how do you call it doing something good if hes pissing on america? our country was founded on the constitution, and you think its right that some tard comes along and takes it away? you got issues! this is the same thing bush voters did for 8 years, call it good and it might be. sorry bud but my freedom isnt worth a couple extra bucks in my pocket!!!!!!!!!!

I am all good with the ban. You seem to forget most states already ban said weapons. This just makes it a cover all law. You guys are drama queens with the whole Nostradamus ass predictions for the future you guys are spewing. All weapons are not/wont be banned. And while you small majority or drama students are complaining, he is making way better moves than our uprooted leader was doing. And the 9% unemployed are thanking him for it. Just go get a black market gun and STFU.. [patriot]

Like always most of you guys "Can't see the forest because of the trees"

Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :

quote:
Originally posted by fr5.0:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
you guys are fools....ahahahahaa. I still say, he is making the people mad that voted for Bush (or McCain), he is no doubt doing something right. If ya'll were on the bandwagon I would know something was going terribly wrong.

The more funny pictures and colorful commentary that gets put out there is a plus. Because you guys were all too quiet for 8 years of madness. And all too prepared to stay that way for another 4 years (at least)
wait youre saying that obama is doing the right thing? you havent even answer the main question, isnt it odd that hes pushing for bans on fire arms instead of fixing the economy?
how do you call it doing something good if hes pissing on america? our country was founded on the constitution, and you think its right that some tard comes along and takes it away? you got issues! this is the same thing bush voters did for 8 years, call it good and it might be. sorry bud but my freedom isnt worth a couple extra bucks in my pocket!!!!!!!!!!

I was going to stay out of this as i was unsure how banning certain assault rifles can stop unlawful criminals from aquiring one..

But wtf... I dont want this to become a bullshittin bush vs Obama thread but look what the man has done..

He took office 1/20/09 and the past 8 days he has

1. Shut down GITMO (Amen!!! Go Obama!!)
2. Declared end on WAR ON TERROR (Amen x7873878e GO OBAMA!)
3. Changes are already here, i fully supported him on ending the war and thats what i wanted, he did just that.. I also supported Abhu Garib & Gitmo to close, and he did just that with Gitmo..

He did shit in 8 days that Bullshittin couldnt do past 8 frikken years..

As for the banning on CERTAIN weapons, like i said, im not too sure about this process...So im not with him 100% on this decision..

GO OBAMA

[ January 28, 2009, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: AL STOCK ]

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

Well the ban "may" help quite a bit or at least deter. Most of the assault rifles on the street were stolen (at least they were in New Orleans) from lawful owners. Also I read something a while back that most of the heinous crimes that were committed using high powered/illegal guns were purchased legally and most at gun shows (ie Columbine High). Even that shoot out in LA (or where ever it was) when the police were out gunned. Those were bought legally. I am not too sure they are aiming to stop the illegal gun trade. More they are trying to stop lil Timmy living in Blackhawk from taking his daddy's trophy guns to school and killing everyone because someone stole his lunch money.

And like Alstock said, he has done more in days than has been done in years by our former Chief.

Like I said earlier I am feeling those who are passionate about their past time and own said guns. But those of you felons who cant get guns anyway (lol) just want to have something to complain about. You dont have nor have a desire to own said gun. You just want to complain.

[ January 28, 2009, 06:05 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]

Posted by DLo (Member # 6133) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
Even that shoot out in LA (or where ever it was) when the police were out gunned. Those were bought legally.

Those may have been bought legally, but I recall them being illegally modified. I'm no expert on guns, but I'm sure someone else here can chime in - I don't think it takes much work to make a semi automatic weapon a fully automatic one.

This thread is about gun grabbers, and that's where many gun owners are concerned. Leave the 2nd amendment alone, and punish the criminals with stiffer punishments instead.

Posted by DLo (Member # 6133) on :

quote:
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
He took office 1/20/09 and the past 8 days he has

1. Shut down GITMO (Amen!!! Go Obama!!)
2. Declared end on WAR ON TERROR (Amen x7873878e GO OBAMA!)
3. Changes are already here, i fully supported him on ending the war and thats what i wanted, he did just that.. I also supported Abhu Garib & Gitmo to close, and he did just that with Gitmo..

He did shit in 8 days that Bullshittin couldnt do past 8 frikken years..

As for the banning on CERTAIN weapons, like i said, im not too sure about this process...So im not with him 100% on this decision..

GO OBAMA

What he did in these past 8 days, with all of the executive orders passed, this doesn't give you any sort of doubt in any way? If I'm not mistaken, Obama is the first president to have made so many exec orders so quickly. This man is still new to the job! When you get a new job, say a management position, do you just hop in, start barking orders, changing stuff around immediately? I sure as hell wouldn't, I'd sit back for a bit and try to get into the gist of things, learn a little, and then re-evaluate my ideas to see what's best. I admire his spirit and motivation, but I think he's a bit on the cocky side.

The man hasn't been in office that long so I'm not going to bash him and say he's doing a completely horrible job. [patriot]

[ January 28, 2009, 09:27 PM: Message edited by: DLo ]

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

quote:
Originally posted by DLo:

quote:
Originally posted by cummins:
I think I'm the only one here that finds the pic I posted funny as hell
Not as funny as this:

Is that a "guess which one is N8" poster???

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

There is a new revision of that poster check it out

[ January 29, 2009, 12:41 AM: Message edited by: cummins ]

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

last row middle [patriot]

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

You sure its not 2nd row at the end?

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

quote:
Originally posted by cummins:
You sure its not 2nd row at the end?

it was befor you changed it. for real!

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

N8, you can spew all the bull shit you want, just know when it comes out in the wash hell be called "the new age jimmy carter".

Obama intends to set gun rights back 50 years. His National No Carry Initiative is intended to end the progress made for 10 years on CCW rights. His gun a month limits is quietly intended to shut down the industry. (The government can't track 35 million illegals, but they can track the purchases of 85 million gun owners?). He also intends to eliminate all gun show and internet sales, which he considers "loopholes". ATF itself has ALREADY gone back to Clinton era policies in anticipation of the inauguration.

OBAMA launched from the worst gun State in America (Hawaii), and landed in the most totalitarian, anti-gun County in the U.S. (Cook County and the radical anti-gun Chicago crowd). He is going to solve the economy, solve the war, institute gay and lesbian marriage, and allow State sponsored abortion. In addition to sounding like Jesus Christ (have you ever seen a bigger ego?), his megalomanical claims border on solipsism. He sounds "reasonable", but is a closet big government, heavy regulation, big tax, FAR LEFT ULTRA LIBERAL when it comes to guns, make NO MISTAKES!

He claims that he will "re-institute the assault ban" (which means bayo lugs and collapsible stocks), mouthing the Liberal Left mantra that has NO understanding of either the idiocy of the previous ban or the difference between Country and City on gun use.

Remember the old Star Trek episode where Kirk has to let a peace loving woman he loves die before WWII, because her ideas of peace were the right idea at the wrong time? "Negotiating" with Iran equals a NUKE in a major US city, make no mistake. These Iranian hypocrites want to vaporize Israel, the second holiest spot in Islam-- so where are they REALLY coming from?! Like Iraq, Obama just doesn't GET it... IF YOU COULD ASK OBAMA TO READ JUST ONE THING, THIS would be it:

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

Dear Obama, if you have ANY sense at all . . .

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about

20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

------------------------------

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

------------------------------

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of
13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded
up and exterminated.

------------------------------

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

------------------------------

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan
Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

------------------------------

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

------------------------------

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

-----------------------------

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because
of gun control: 56 million.

------------------------------

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new
law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million
dollars. The first year results are now in:

List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies
are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed
robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12
months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the
ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety
has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience
and the other historicall facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of
this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'.

Without them, we are 'subjects'.

In RECENTLY RELEASED documents, an astonishing fact has come to light: During WWII the Japanese had a DISTINCT and URGENT plan to bomb and invade the U.S., and decided not to invade America because they knew
most Americans were ARMED! TERRORISTS, so banner Obama: TAKE NOTE!

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

hahahaha...cummins you a fool. I gotta meet you one day and really see if that is you in that picture.

FR.
Man lighten up. There are much bigger issues to worry about than this. Thousands of people are out of jobs, people are homeless, lives being turned upside down and we are days away from a depression. And you are worried about a damn assault rifle? Which you don't even own right now. And most states already outlaw anyway? Like I said "unable to see the forest, because of the trees".

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
hahahaha...cummins you a fool. I gotta meet you one day and really see if that is you in that picture.

FR.
Man lighten up. There are much bigger issues to worry about than this. Thousands of people are out of jobs, people are homeless, lives being turned upside down and we are days away from a depression. And you are worried about a damn assault rifle? Which you don't even own right now. And most states already outlaw anyway? Like I said "unable to see the forest, because of the trees".

N8, im tired of hereing you say that comment, especialy since you should practice what you preach.
its plain as day up there at my last comment, you always complain i dont post facts.
i come up with facts and boom you dont want to talk about the general topic any more.
i guess it just goes to show you your self might have some doubt about good ol barack carter.

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

Read my post(s)....I do say I understand those that own or have a desire to own that gun. Or are enthusiasts/sellers. But "if you could see the entire forest" you would understand the impact of what he is doing globally (as in US). Most states already, ban those weapons anyway. You just want to have something to complain about. "." Nothing else. There are way bigger fish to fry and you are worried about a attempt to "not ban" at this point but "make it harder" to obtain the gun in question. I have nothing against your passion for a hobby your not involved in and a gun you don't own. But it is just misplaced to me.

I bet you absolutely loathe Reagan and Bill Clinton for the Brady Law then. Oh and to clarify, I am pretty sure Barrack will do something to piss me off at sometime. Like I said earlier, "politicians are always a lesser of 2 evils". But long as the big picture doesn't get all fuzzy, hopefully I can live with those things what ever they may be.

Oh and FR, thanks for the facts. I always appreciate the chance to learn something. But I dont think we are arguing here. You are trying to force one from me.

[ January 29, 2009, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

Most of the said guns are not banned in most states, the so called "evil guns" and hi cap mags are only baned in about 10% of states. Fully auto weapons have been banned since 86. The guns used in the L.A. robberies must have had illegal sear packs in them if they were bought legit. Since the ban on automatic weapons there has no been a crime commited with one that was bought legally.

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 70mach351:
....Since the ban on automatic weapons there has no been a crime commited with one that was bought legally.

So in essence banning works.

This is a age old debate, and it wont be solved in this presidential stay. What FR is saying has been said since 89. And just about all states have some sort of ban or state level law concerning guns, that range from features you can have on a gun (flash hiders, folding stocks, and threaded barrels for attaching silencers), to the guns themselves (foreigns included) and bans on things like street sweepers. So what you speak of has been existence for years (thru both Republican and Democrat stays) and will remain to be around. Like I said YOU just gotta complain. Barrack is just imposing a blanket solution. And it more than likely will be a 10 year period like the ban of 1994.

So Barrack, Bush (both of them), Clinton, Reagan. Have been taking your rights for years. but your just complaining now [BS flag]

[ January 29, 2009, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by 70mach351:
....Since the ban on automatic weapons there has no been a crime commited with one that was bought legally.
So in essence banning works.

This is a age old debate, and it wont be solved in this presidential stay. What FR is saying has been said since 89. And just about all states have some sort of ban or state level law concerning guns, that range from features you can have on a gun (flash hiders, folding stocks, and threaded barrels for attaching silencers), to the guns themselves (foreigns included) and bans on things like street sweepers. So what you speak of has been existence for years (thru both Republican and Democrat stays) and will remain to be around. Like I said YOU just gotta complain. Barrack is just imposing a blanket solution. And it more than likely will be a 10 year period like the ban of 1994.

So Barrack, Bush (both of them), Clinton, Reagan. Have been taking your rights for years. but your just complaining now

here you go read again

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new
law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million
dollars. The first year results are now in:

List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies
are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed
robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12
months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the
ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety
has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience
and the other historicall facts above prove it.
now with that said, id also like to say that with unnecessary laws passed there will be more on the same lines!

N8 you dont understand, because if you did the fact that i dont own an Assault Weapon wouldnt be your ambush!
im not trying to argue with you i just notice that you only look at things from one side!
im not just complaining now because of something thats been existing since 89. im complaing now because its bigger than just that old law, its amo, its gun tax, its bans, its hunting rifles, and its my right to bear arms.
but instead dumb fucks like obama make it ok for theives to rob your ass and its all good right?
a good friend of my family cought a low life inside of his home after he had gone to sleep, woke up shot him and the d.a. wanted to throw him in jail and the punk that got shot sued him for $5000 all because of punk ass democrats.
so no i dont just want to complain about something!

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

In a sense i would say banning works, however you can still buy automatic weapons, they just arent cheap. Automatic weapons cannot be manufactured for regular citizen use in the united states. So a M16 is going for 16k, a mp5 is 14k, thompsons are around 35-100k. Very expensive, you can drill a ar reciever and switch out parts kits for 50 bucks and make one your self, but its a screeing process.

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

wait are you comparing the US to Australia? That is wrong on so many levels I do not even want to discuss it.

Like 70mach pointed out. Basically it works. And like I pointed out. Barack is setting no precedent with this. It has been and is being done on so many levels and by so many presidents. It is not even worth complaining about. Or if you do, dont single out Barack.

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
wait are you comparing the US to Australia? That is wrong on so many levels I do not even want to discuss it.

Like 70mach pointed out. Basically it works. And like I pointed out. Barack is setting no precedent with this. It has been and is being done on so many levels and by so many presidents. It is not even worth complaining about. Or if you do, dont single out Barack.

seems to me that hes the only prez that has proposed a blanket ban for Assault Weapons wich covers hunting rifles. are you kidding about comparing the US to Australia, i sure hope so! the u.s. has been fallowing Australian government for centurys, where do you think obama came up with the laws hes pushing for common ban guns, health care its all ther bud look it up, or better yet ill post it when i get off work!
no precedent huh, i thought you said he was a politician? you must not be from this country, or have been under a rock for the last hundred years! im sorry for starting a fight with you N8, but its apperent that you have a lot of growing and learning to do, befor you speak on a topic of this caliber............! [patriot]

[ January 30, 2009, 10:33 AM: Message edited by: fr5.0 ]

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

fr you are so funny man. You wikipedia facts but didn't pay attention in history class while in school. So your view is too emotionally invested. Reagan began things when he was shot way back when. Clinton came is and finished (which was a blanket law) with the law asking for a waiting period and bgrd check a.k.a the Brady Bill. Then right on the heels of that was the AWB. Signed by good 'ol Bill C. Also your beloved Republicans voted the ban in by a landslide as well. So there you go right there. Nothing unprecedented. And what do you know. This was all before Australia...lol.

Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :

im pritty sure u dont need a assault riffle to defend yourself.. and 12 gauge im sure would work just fine.... so time to think of a different angle as to why you need a assault riffle...

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

quote:
Originally posted by liftedF150:
im pritty sure u dont need a assault riffle to defend yourself.. and 12 gauge im sure would work just fine.... so time to think of a different angle as to why you need a assault riffle...

im pritty sure that if you read the bill you would know that hunting rifles fall in to the category.
so im pritty sure that its not time to think of a different angle as to why i need a hunting riffle.
im pritty sure that you should know a little befor you post a little!

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
fr you are so funny man. You wikipedia facts but didn't pay attention in history class while in school. So your view is too emotionally invested. Reagan began things when he was shot way back when. Clinton came is and finished (which was a blanket law) with the law asking for a waiting period and bgrd check a.k.a the Brady Bill. Then right on the heels of that was the AWB. Signed by good 'ol Bill C. Also your beloved Republicans voted the ban in by a landslide as well. So there you go right there. Nothing unprecedented. And what do you know. This was all before Australia...lol.

thats funny cuz i think you just changed a few words and your whole comment is a wikipedia Article..... [Confused]

on another note, your talk about others that had similar bills that are not the same bill as obama is proposing, is not relevant to this thread. also obama is the only person to ever propose this bill ever and this will be his second time trying, lets hope it goes the same as prop 8.
lastly these kind of things build up over time, so noooooo youre very wrong. like i said befor u.s. has always followed Australia a smart man would have known that tho.
Australia built up to the position there in now, and thats why people are so worried about this bill passing!
regression only comes in our money N8 not in our laws, once youre screwd theres no second chances bud. how will you deal with it when u.s. outlaws guns, how will you save your family in a potentially fatle situation?????? first they take away the little stuff, but i dont expect you to care about that all you care about is the reality of obama. in N8's eyes he can do no wrong!!!!!!!!! hey N8, take a night class maybe you wont have to copy and past any more, heck you probably wont have anything to post about because you will agree with me when youre ejected. [Wink]

Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :

quote:
Originally posted by fr5.0:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
fr you are so funny man. You wikipedia facts but didn't pay attention in history class while in school. So your view is too emotionally invested. Reagan began things when he was shot way back when. Clinton came is and finished (which was a blanket law) with the law asking for a waiting period and bgrd check a.k.a the Brady Bill. Then right on the heels of that was the AWB. Signed by good 'ol Bill C. Also your beloved Republicans voted the ban in by a landslide as well. So there you go right there. Nothing unprecedented. And what do you know. This was all before Australia...lol.
thats funny cuz i think you just changed a few words and your whole comment is a wikipedia Article.....
on another note, your talk about others that had similar bills that are not the same bill as obama is proposing, is not relevant to this thread. also obama is the only person to ever propose this bill ever and this will be his second time trying, lets hope it goes the same as prop 8.
lastly these kind of things build up over time, so noooooo youre very wrong. like i said befor u.s. has always followed Australia a smart man would have known that tho.
Australia built up to the position there in now, and thats why people are so worried about this bill passing!
regression only comes in our money N8 not in our laws, once youre screwd theres no second chances bud. how will you deal with it when u.s. outlaws guns, how will you save your family in a potentially fatle situation?????? first they take away the little stuff, but i dont expect you to care about that all you care about is the reality of obama. in N8's eyes he can do no wrong!!!!!!!!! hey N8, take a night class maybe you wont have to copy and past any more, heck you probably wont have anything to post about because you will agree with me when youre ejected.

First of all Obama doesnt have sole control to just take shit away, this isnt a dictatorship moron, it has to be voted on so to try and blame only 1 person ( obama in this case ) is just stupid. The other thing is the law would get rid of ASSAULT RIFFLES that is different then just getting rid of all guns.... It is a restriction not a complete ban on guns.

[ January 30, 2009, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: liftedF150 ]

Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :

Now that i had a chance to just read a little bit into the more im for it. I think its funny as hell that you think they are trying to take away your right to a fire arm........... the legislation is ment to close the loophole so that any fucking joe or somebody with a Federal Firearms license can sell guns at a gun show and not be controled.

The law made it legal for Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders to sell at gun shows.

The law expanded the opportunities for private citizens to buy and sell firearms at gun shows by raising the threshold of what constituted being "engaged in the business" of selling firearms for purposes of defining who must obtain a federal gun dealer's license.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/gunloop.htm

It doesnt say anywere that they are taking away your rights to buy firearms............

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

quote:
Originally posted by liftedF150:

quote:
Originally posted by fr5.0:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
fr you are so funny man. You wikipedia facts but didn't pay attention in history class while in school. So your view is too emotionally invested. Reagan began things when he was shot way back when. Clinton came is and finished (which was a blanket law) with the law asking for a waiting period and bgrd check a.k.a the Brady Bill. Then right on the heels of that was the AWB. Signed by good 'ol Bill C. Also your beloved Republicans voted the ban in by a landslide as well. So there you go right there. Nothing unprecedented. And what do you know. This was all before Australia...lol.
thats funny cuz i think you just changed a few words and your whole comment is a wikipedia Article.....
on another note, your talk about others that had similar bills that are not the same bill as obama is proposing, is not relevant to this thread. also obama is the only person to ever propose this bill ever and this will be his second time trying, lets hope it goes the same as prop 8.
lastly these kind of things build up over time, so noooooo youre very wrong. like i said befor u.s. has always followed Australia a smart man would have known that tho.
Australia built up to the position there in now, and thats why people are so worried about this bill passing!
regression only comes in our money N8 not in our laws, once youre screwd theres no second chances bud. how will you deal with it when u.s. outlaws guns, how will you save your family in a potentially fatle situation?????? first they take away the little stuff, but i dont expect you to care about that all you care about is the reality of obama. in N8's eyes he can do no wrong!!!!!!!!! hey N8, take a night class maybe you wont have to copy and past any more, heck you probably wont have anything to post about because you will agree with me when youre ejected.
First of all Obama doesnt have sole control to just take shit away, this isnt a dictatorship moron, it has to be voted on so to try and blame only 1 person ( obama in this case ) is just stupid. The other thing is the law would get rid of ASSAULT RIFFLES that is different then just getting rid of all guns.... It is a restriction not a complete ban on guns.

and hunting rifles dousche bag!!!!!!!!!

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

quote:
Originally posted by liftedF150:
Now that i had a chance to just read a little bit into the more im for it. I think its funny as hell that you think they are trying to take away your right to a fire arm........... the legislation is ment to close the loophole so that any fucking joe or somebody with a Federal Firearms license can sell guns at a gun show and not be controled.

The law made it legal for Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders to sell at gun shows.

The law expanded the opportunities for private citizens to buy and sell firearms at gun shows by raising the threshold of what constituted being "engaged in the business" of selling firearms for purposes of defining who must obtain a federal gun dealer's license.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/gunloop.htm

It doesnt say anywere that they are taking away your rights to buy firearms............

what who said the law was taking gun rights away read looser read

Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :

Im not even going to bother arguing with you because you dont know what your talking about, why dont you try researching the topic a little and you will see that it has NOTHING TO DO WITH TAKING YOUR RIGHTS AWAY FROM OWNING A GUN!!!!!! The first act is to close a loop hole that allows anybody to sell a gun at a gun show, the other act allows police to get gun data that is taken when a gun is registered to somebody and use that to help solve cases............................................................................. That is what the Tiahrt Amendment act is stupid has nothing to do with taking your silly guns away.

Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
Now that i had a chance to just read a little bit into the more im for it. I think its funny as hell that you think they are trying to take away your right to a fire arm........... the legislation is ment to close the loophole so that any fucking joe or somebody with a Federal Firearms license can sell guns at a gun show and not be controled.

The law made it legal for Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders to sell at gun shows.

The law expanded the opportunities for private citizens to buy and sell firearms at gun shows by raising the threshold of what constituted being "engaged in the business" of selling firearms for purposes of defining who must obtain a federal gun dealer's license.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/gunloop.htm

It doesnt say anywere that they are taking away your rights to buy firearms............
what who said the law was taking gun rights away read looser read

This whole post youve been crying like a baby about how the goverment is going to take everything from you blah blah blah get a tissue

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

FR you are about as sharp as a spoon my man. Me copy a wiki? That is funny. I just pay attention and retain knowledge. I do however check my facts. Like I said this is nothing but drama queen shit. You just want to complain. But go ahead with your erratic conspiracy theory. I sincerely hope you dont discuss this in public with those views. You will look a huge ass. I am just looking out for you and trying to pour a lil knowledge in your dome. Plus I have no mustangs now so all I am good for on this board is topics like this and computer troubleshooting advice...lol

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by N8:
FR you are about as sharp as a spoon my man. Me copy a wiki? That is funny. I just pay attention and retain knowledge. I do however check my facts. Like I said this is nothing but drama queen shit. You just want to complain. But go ahead with your erratic conspiracy theory. I sincerely hope you dont discuss this in public with those views. You will look a huge ass. I am just looking out for you and trying to pour a lil knowledge in your dome. Plus I have no mustangs now so all I am good for on this board is topics like this and computer troubleshooting advice...lol

rite ok

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
Now that i had a chance to just read a little bit into the more im for it. I think its funny as hell that you think they are trying to take away your right to a fire arm........... the legislation is ment to close the loophole so that any fucking joe or somebody with a Federal Firearms license can sell guns at a gun show and not be controled.

The law made it legal for Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders to sell at gun shows.

The law expanded the opportunities for private citizens to buy and sell firearms at gun shows by raising the threshold of what constituted being "engaged in the business" of selling firearms for purposes of defining who must obtain a federal gun dealer's license.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/gunloop.htm

It doesnt say anywere that they are taking away your rights to buy firearms............
what who said the law was taking gun rights away read looser read
This whole post youve been crying like a baby about how the goverment is going to take everything from you blah blah blah get a tissue

or read the right bill and get a 5.0

Posted by 86- 50 (Member # 4723) on :

Damn, fr5.0 is getting schooled.

GO OBAMA

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
Im not even going to bother arguing with you because you dont know what your talking about, why dont you try researching the topic a little and you will see that it has NOTHING TO DO WITH TAKING YOUR RIGHTS AWAY FROM OWNING A GUN!!!!!! The first act is to close a loop hole that allows anybody to sell a gun at a gun show, the other act allows police to get gun data that is taken when a gun is registered to somebody and use that to help solve cases............................................................................. That is what the Tiahrt Amendment act is stupid has nothing to do with taking your silly guns away.

ya and get Assault Weapons off the streets, that was the first page blah blah blah. i got a better idea stop throwing around the name calling, because aside from showing how imiture you are its not nice. then start by checking the whole bill out, im gunna tell you again but i think i told you enough hunting rifles fall in to this catagory, im a hunter thus i am mad. read common you can do it!!!!!!!!!

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
Damn, fr5.0 is getting schooled.

GO OBAMA

how do you figure, from two guys that never even got a g.e.d. and copy and past wiki. not me bud!!!!

Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
Damn, fr5.0 is getting schooled.

GO OBAMA
how do you figure, from two guys that never even got a g.e.d. and copy and past wiki. not me bud!!!!

Your right i have a high school diploma and a AA... keep your cryin maybe somebody will come and hold you

[ January 30, 2009, 08:31 PM: Message edited by: liftedF150 ]

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
Damn, fr5.0 is getting schooled.

GO OBAMA
how do you figure, from two guys that never even got a g.e.d. and copy and past wiki. not me bud!!!!
Your right i have a high school diploma and a AA... keep your cryin maybe somebody will come and hold you

from where, pride industries?????? get a clue you dont know what your talking about.

Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
Damn, fr5.0 is getting schooled.

GO OBAMA
how do you figure, from two guys that never even got a g.e.d. and copy and past wiki. not me bud!!!!
Your right i have a high school diploma and a AA... keep your cryin maybe somebody will come and hold you
from where, pride industries?????? get a clue you dont know what your talking about.

right i know nothing your the smartest person on this board, cause according to you we will all lose our freedom here soon and the world is going to end right... [Roll Eyes]

[ January 30, 2009, 08:43 PM: Message edited by: liftedF150 ]

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
Damn, fr5.0 is getting schooled.

GO OBAMA
how do you figure, from two guys that never even got a g.e.d. and copy and past wiki. not me bud!!!!
Your right i have a high school diploma and a AA... keep your cryin maybe somebody will come and hold you
from where, pride industries?????? get a clue you dont know what your talking about.
right i know nothing your the smartest person on this board, cause according to you we will all lose our freedom here soon and the world is going to end right...

wow nothing like a little propaganda huh smart guy

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

heres what should realy be posted

http://www.nrapvf.org/News/Article.aspx?ID=343

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

this is pure comedy now. FR, I was really on some intellectual stuff with you for a sec. But you are a fanatical conspiracy theorist. Kinda like Mel Gibson in that movie Conspiracy Theory, foil hats and all. Can't really reason with someone like that. I just hope you don't worry yourself to death. Because it is a verified clinical issue to be that way. lol @ me with no education [Roll Eyes]

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by N8:
this is pure comedy now. FR, I was really on some intellectual stuff with you for a sec. But you are a fanatical conspiracy theorist. Kinda like Mel Gibson in that movie Conspiracy Theory, foil hats and all. Can't really reason with someone like that. I just hope you don't worry yourself to death. Because it is a verified clinical issue to be that way. lol @ me with no education

ya me to man, i thought the same about you but now youre starting to sound like lifted way out in left field. you have some good points back a few pages ago, but now you and lifted seem to be taking bits and peices of each of my posts and using them to insult my intelligence. i realy do think you are a smart man, but it seems you are on a path to right the decisions you have made.

you and i are eye level i can see that, i just think you try your hardest to only look at things from one angle. me feeling pasionate about something i have a great deal of respect for took the time to look at it from your perspective, but am at a loss for how you have no concern for potential lost rights that potentialy rob us of more later history tells us this.

we both know that politicians are the dirtiest of all humans, which brings me to your comment "politicians are always a lesser of 2 evils" this is not a true statement infact this is off in left field with lifted. if youre always reading democratic forums you will never know the compleat truth same goes with republican forums. you have to read between the lines and dig for the facts.

DLO HAD A VERY VALID POINT ALSO THAT NO ONE ACKNOWLEDGE. "If I'm not mistaken, Obama is the first president to have made so many exec orders so quickly. This man is still new to the job! When you get a new job, say a management position, do you just hop in, start barking orders, changing stuff around immediately?"

from the beginig i have commented about obamas main objective (guns) shouldnt it be our economy?
many of us have lost sight of this, taking something away that has no bering on the economy is unnecessary imo!!!!

and N8 i want to apologize for bashing you i felt attacked [patriot]

[ January 30, 2009, 10:58 PM: Message edited by: fr5.0 ]

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

well 2 things. I am not as passionate about guns as most. So I know my view is slightly skewed there. But I just cannot see a total ban happening in the US. I just can't. Obama would have way too many hurdles to get over to do that. He just cannot come in and do what ever he feels. Our Executive, legislative and judicial systems are pretty much based on checks and balances. It is a flawed system at times and weird shit squeaks through. But basically over throwing the constitution in whole I just cannot see happening. That would literally throw us into anarchy and martial law. Ok now I am being a conspiracy theory guy, but you see what I am saying.

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by N8:
well 2 things. I am not as passionate about guns as most. So I know my view is slightly skewed there. But I just cannot see a total ban happening in the US. I just can't. Obama would have way too many hurdles to get over to do that. He just cannot come in and do what ever he feels. Our Executive, legislative and judicial systems are pretty much based on checks and balances. It is a flawed system at times and weird shit squeaks through. But basically over throwing the constitution in whole I just cannot see happening. That would literally throw us into anarchy and martial law. Ok now I am being a conspiracy theory guy, but you see what I am saying.

i do, but can you see what im saying. i dont think its gunna happen next year, im thinking a little further down the road. but in this case shot guns and hunting rifles are part of the proposal, and once the ball gets rolling whos to say what they want to take next.
they obviously wont be taking shot guns and hunting rifles!!!!!
history shows that a little is never good enough for power mongers like politicians!!!! [Frown]

Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :

we are all going to die in 2012 anyways right? [Razz]

I personaly hate politics and could give a crap less about any of it because in reality all they do every day is come up with bs crap to try and ban and take away, its been going on forever, they will never be able to take away your rights to a fire arm like n8 said there are way to many hurdles to carry over and then it will be forgotten about until somebody else decieds to take a crack at it again cause their bored and have nothing better to do. I see your side of it fr i just think you are taking it to an extreme that it hasnt reached yet and probebly never will, hell im all for guns but i agree with the bill to allow law enforcement access to gun records to help solve crimes and to help regulate the purchasing of assault riffles by anybody.

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
we are all going to die in 2012 anyways right? I personaly hate politics and could give a crap less about any of it because in reality all they do every day is come up with bs crap to try and ban and take away, its been going on forever, they will never be able to take away your rights to a fire arm like n8 said there are way to many hurdles to carry over and then it will be forgotten about until somebody else decieds to take a crack at it again cause their bored and have nothing better to do. I see your side of it fr i just think you are taking it to an extreme that it hasnt reached yet and probebly never will, hell im all for guns but i agree with the bill to allow law enforcement access to gun records to help solve crimes and to help regulate the purchasing of assault riffles by anybody.

The Tiahrt Amendment Tracing firearms is BATFE`s job, and the NRA-supported "Tiahrt Amendment" allows BATFE to share firearm tracing information with any law enforcement agency involved in a bona fide investigation related to the traced firearm. That is how it should be.

When anti-gun groups claim the amendment prevents local police departments from having unlimited access to traces nationwide, they are lying. They don`t want access for police--they want the tracing information themselves, to use in lawsuits blaming firearm manufacturers and dealers for harm caused by criminals who use guns, even when the manufacturers and dealers have complied with every applicable law.

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
Now that i had a chance to just read a little bit into the more im for it. I think its funny as hell that you think they are trying to take away your right to a fire arm........... the legislation is ment to close the loophole so that any fucking joe or somebody with a Federal Firearms license can sell guns at a gun show and not be controled.

The law made it legal for Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders to sell at gun shows.

The law expanded the opportunities for private citizens to buy and sell firearms at gun shows by raising the threshold of what constituted being "engaged in the business" of selling firearms for purposes of defining who must obtain a federal gun dealer's license.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/gunloop.htm

It doesnt say anywere that they are taking away your rights to buy firearms............

and here is the answer to your previous comment

Gun Shows and Private Gun Sales In our adversaries` talking points, their so-called "gun show loophole" legislation would simply require people who are not dealers to run instant background checks on people to whom they sell guns at gun shows.

But their legislation tells a different story. For example, take the misleadingly-named "Gun Show Background Check Act," sponsored by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J. Under that bill, a person who is not a dealer would be defined as a "gun show vendor" if he takes a gun into a show. All "vendors" would be registered on a ledger that would be provided to the federal government, and gun show promoters would be required to register with the BATFE and pay a fee set arbitrarily by the attorney general. Obama`s choice for that post, Eric Holder, would likely set the fee prohibitively high. (Holder was Janet Reno`s anti-gun point man in the Clinton administration and has advocated prohibiting private sales of firearms altogether.)

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

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Originally posted by fr5.0:
heres what should realy be posted

http://www.nrapvf.org/News/Article.aspx?ID=343

hey lifted, from one educated human to another i challenge you to read this. there is far more on the bill then just about gun shows.

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